Nixon White House TapesTape 298 › Conversation 298-039

Nixon & Kissinger on Vietnam War and Troop withdrawal

Thursday, November 11, 1971 · 5:50 PM–6:11 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building ·1 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Kissinger, Henry A.Conversation298-039 onTape 298 (tape position 03:42:23–03:44:05)StartThursday, November 11, 1971 at 5:50 PMEndThursday, November 11, 1971 at 6:11 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 298-039 ↗

President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discussed the upcoming announcement regarding Vietnam troop withdrawal timelines. The conversation centered on weighing various withdrawal options, with Nixon expressing a preference to deliberate further despite internal debate over the proposed durations. Kissinger was tasked with coordinating with Secretary of State William P. Rogers to manage the messaging and internal policy friction surrounding these strategic decisions.

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Yeah, that's what I want to know.
Sonny G's recent report ended up on mine, but I don't see any reason for me to come in and interview him to debate the damn thing.
That's my point.
I have nothing to debate.
I know what the hell his options are.
And what do you think the pilot, the reaper, wants to call me about to urge me to do something?
I know he's against it.
Present to God that thing he presented himself when I talked with him in Hague.
All right, he's gone down in four months.
I've got the four months.
I've got the six months.
I've got the two months, and I'm thinking about it.
That's all I need.
But I'm going to debate it a little bit.
Okay?
Fine.
I've got all the arguments.
Is there anybody else you want to put in?
It's against the six months.
No, I'm sort of thinking about the six months.
That's out of your control.
Okay?
Fine.

On November 11, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 5:50 pm and 6:11 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 298-039 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 298-39

Date: November 11, 1971
Time: Unknown between 5:50 pm and 6:11 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President talked with Henry A. Kissinger.

     The President's call

     The President's schedule
          -[William P. Rogers]
               -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.

     Vietnam
          -Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
               -Rogers's views
               -Kissinger’s forthcoming conversation with Rogers
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  • 014-055 5:50 PM · 36 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 5:50 pm and 6:11 pm.
  • 014-056 5:50 PM · 10 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 5:50 pm and 6:11 pm.
  • 298-036 5:50 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 5:50 pm and 6:11 pm.
  • 298-037 5:50 PM · 6 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 5:50 pm and 6:11 pm.
  • 298-038 5:50 PM · 39 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 5:50 pm and 6:11 pm.
  • 298-040 5:50 PM · 15 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 5:50 pm and 6:11 pm.
  • 298-041 5:50 PM · 4 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 5:50 pm and 6:11 pm.

Conversation 298-039, November 11, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/298-039 (accessed September 18, 2026).