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Yeah.

And I'll, you'd guess that normally I'd be calling you because of a vote I'm very pleased with, but I'm doing it for a more important reason.

Your birthday.

And I just hope you have a dent and you just go home and say that I said you take the night off on hell or high water.

Okay?

Right, right.

Yeah, this was just the other night, the night of the party.

That's right.

I must say that was a tremendous job yesterday and today, and I must say you just did great for leadership, and I'll be most grateful, most grateful.

And let me tell you, how in the world did you understand this?

I can't, I can't.

You know, you were...

You have put the thing right in progress with respect to you and I, when I met you.

I've cried too in my remarks here in Chicago and in the General Assembly.

Basically, when you say the whole prospect of our reducing American presence abroad is going to be torpedoed if we don't continue our aid program.

That's what it's all about.

I mean, take Korea.

Korea is the clearest example.

You know very well.

We've been able to reduce the 20,000 in Korea because we increased the assistance side.

Well, now, that's a document of trade on my end.

The same, and the same in Vietnam.

It's a hell of a lot better to have eight casualties in Vietnam than 300.

And so if we've got to have 500,000 and they get an aid, that's a lot better than the other way around.

It's another way to do it.

How'd you get those, Elizabeth?

That's curious.

Yeah.

Great.

Well, congratulations.

Well, anyway, here, they won the vote, you know.

Disgusting.

You?

Congratulations.

Yeah.

Well, I hope you get your birthday, Father.

Well... Well, congratulations on the boat and congratulations on your birthday.

I hope we can work together for a long time.

Thank you.

All the best to you.

Bye.

Well, when that comes through, he came through both times, you know.

In the last three, four weeks, he was going to be better.

He acted like a leader.

That's good, you know.

That's good.

That is your status.

But, you know, sports are sports.

We were that close, but we won.

Now, you know, we, this is disorganization.

This means, this means the president, you know, the senator has had to turn around on his vote.

Absolutely.

Now you're giving your house some strength.

You're not doing it to make the vote.

I don't know if the father told you this, but, you know, let us vote.

I don't know how to do it.

The two months announcement was all over the hill.

You did it, and I did it at the Noonspeak dinner.

He said, and Noonspeak was running all over the hill, saying he'd got a two months announcement.

I didn't come and make the announcement.

You sat here with me and said, no, no, no, they say I did it.

They said I did it when I had dinner with the Noonspeak editor.

And that's what I told Scali, who was at the dinner call, and then I had to look at the transcripts.

What kind of name do you think Rogers told you the two months and something like that?

You noticed how I was planning three months?

I said three months.

I stayed off of it.

I wasn't telling the son of a bitch anything.

He didn't know about the two months.

I think Rogers must have told him.

Yeah, but on the other hand, it couldn't be Loosbeek because... No, I didn't know it was Loosbeek.

It was called Loosbeek.

And Loosbeek says they don't know what this number is and they don't know what the answer is going to be.

And they said that they got it from me that it would be after Monday.

Well, at least for one thing, Larry doesn't know that when he goes tomorrow, he'll call them and they didn't tell him.

No, no, no, he called me

As soon as we told Scali that

that Lloyd Norman, or whatever his name is, their military correspondent, went to Dan Henkin and asked Henkin yesterday what the schedule is.

Henkin said, it's either going to be two months, five months, or seven months.

It was a good figure.

Rogers is a good figure.

Rogers had called.

He's now

Mr. President, did you let the doctor slip in for a moment?

Yeah, because you're working on it.

What the Christ, he kept trying to get on the record, too, and they know that he's performed on some.

Now it's until the end of the month.

Why does he want to say that?

How does that cut up, too?

So that next announcement doesn't have to be until after you're finished.

Does that make any sense to you?

No, because people don't know that it's peaking.

That's what your peaking announcement is.

It's positive, but you've never heard of those, have you?

Yeah.

Yeah, hello, John.

I just want to, I'm always calling you to thank you for things, but you do so many good things.

But that was great to have your amendment passed today.

Yeah.

Well, I'll tell you, this is very important.

I mean, as you well know, John, the most important part of this, and it's not going to stop you past yesterday, that stuff we can get along without.

I mean, of course, this is essential if you're going to be able to maintain any kind of foreign policy.

Sure.

And this is, well, the same is true, same is true of places like Korea.

If you want to reduce the number of Americans, you've got to continue.

Cambodia, it's the way it is every place.

Well, I appreciate it very much.

Yeah.

Yeah, this is, you're doing great.

Thank you.

Absolutely.

Thank you.

It's not an unreasonable proposition.

You'd have to do 80 for 4.

Yeah.

I think 90 for 4 would be too shaking.

Right.

And would really then commit you to the long derivative.

What is your feeling about doing 80 for 4?

It's got pluses and minuses.

Pluses, it gives you a longer time to light it.

Uh, the minus is that you have to make your next announcement straight off the, uh, peaking.

Uh, so that it may look as if that was a deal you made at the peaking.

And, uh, if you have to say something tough about reticule courses and so forth, it would affect the peaking.

Uh, so those are the, uh...

That's why it's weird, first of all.

Why can't we still do it tonight?

I mean, let's put it this way.

Let's do it in two months.

If you can do it in two months again in January, it won't happen in the final thing in January.

We can just get down to the fact that you were doing just a few months of retirement now and be watching the situation.

I rewritten it, like, on the Q&A.

I've done this.

I'm doing it quite differently now as well.

The idea that we have to make a decision on changing the criteria on the basis of

Our evaluation of the...

The disadvantage of...

You could do two more in January, but by that time, your announcement will be the advantage.

It will be a deal I'm going to get rid of so that people will understand why you want to put it to the other side.

You've been a little bit of a blackjack for 45,000 in the first two months.

Well, no, I'm telling you, I think you can do 45 in the second two months.

I don't think you can do 90 now.

Oh, I see.

Well, see my point.

If you make two announcements, 45 is no problem in the second two months.

Listen to me, 45 and 40, see my point.

Very good.

But you can do that.

Good.

Good, you can do that.

I would now, you see, you may need a speech in the middle of January, because almost certainly Hanoi is giving, making another proposal.

At the, I don't understand it.

I noticed here it says Hanoi is going to start another great peace offensive.

Yeah, I noticed that.

So that means they're not going to negotiate with me.

They're playing with the long haul.

Well, they would be back for the long haul anyway if they wanted to negotiate.

Well, they're just playing.

They just may be playing.

Look, you see, if they wanted to, even if they're negotiating, they're going to set down proposals.

Their strategy was to leave it in red and blue.

That goes without saying.

They were frustrated with the political draft.

You know, our mistake really was to tell Rockies about the three-month plan.

That's the only place we could have gotten out.

But it's obvious that Roger's been there and been colluding.

I don't know who leaked it out.

It is clear that there's been a close conversation.

You missed.

You sort of had him on three or four.

Of course.

You were quite right.

That's the problem.

What happened was that Rogers violated the confidence.

I told Rogers, remember I told him, I haven't told Larry, but he must have not told Larry.

Damn it, he shouldn't have done that.

He might not have.

See, we didn't tell the leaders that day either.

Remember, when the board was in, I said, look, I've got to take a look at this thing, and I don't know what the announcement ought to be.

I said, what do you think ought to be done?

Should it be great, be increased, or just announced?

Would that be enough?

I said, well, no.

Remember, we didn't give anything.

I didn't tell them the time at all.

We've got to do another two months.

It's been a bad day.

You can do it, and then you can thank your father-in-law.

You can do that.

It was to me that we could get the best of the father's world by doing a vote that I didn't do.

And we could also do it by doing this announcement.

Well, we did it, and we did it, and we did it, and we did it.

Nothing happened to the ocean.

And also, at that time, we could bring back the fall from Paris.

We can't do it.

Both of them are off-low key.

If Pringy got back, I think if Pringy got back, you ought to go hide.

Then only announce it three months later.

No, no.

If you go two months, I'll keep it low key.

That's my point.

And then if Pringy got back in March...

We've come down to it.

We can't continue to haggle around about the decision.

I think you should stick with it.

I mean, obviously, Roger and Larry's trying to drive us off and drive me off of it, but I think in any case, if they're not banned, then they try to drive off of it.

You know, it's the nameless thing.

Laos, do you remember?

Cambodia.

And November 3rd.

Well, that May 14th, Mr. President, not that that upset the directions, but he was badgered you from the plane.

Who?

God has put violence near both of you, and they both need to be distracted.

It was on the way to Asia.

Bombing of Camp O'Hare, there is no decision that they haven't opposed.

Don't be too concerned about it, though.

I was reading, I was reading, I mean, about the Jackson piece when I went to Kevin's role on January 8th.

I was just reading Sandberg last night.

And God damn, Lincoln had the most treacherous...

unreliable bunch of cabinet officers.

I must say, Sam was probably a good secondary warden.

He was tough and ruthless and cold-blooded, but got a quarter of a link and had to walk across the street to see to some of the ditch.

But my point is, the cabinet voted against him time and time again, and can't go to someone against this whole cabinet.

Now, we don't have a cabinet where they vote against, we know that, but when we come right down to it, I know we've only got that cabinet, besides myself, we've only got action.

Now, who the hell else do we got?

And those are two people who will defend you.

I was talking to Bob about your various problems.

And we both agree that Conley is a problem because his judgments may not always be correct.

But once you convince him there'll be no problem with Bob, obviously, he is going to do what you tell him.

There's no question about that.

He said, I've asked him.

And, uh... Oh, fine, fine.

Well, I don't know.

So, Rogers, what did you tell him that you'd just submitted to me?

I didn't talk to them.

It was Nick.

He didn't say anything.

And Nick said, well, we said that Bill submitted to you.

And, of course, he was honest with you.

He said, no, no, no.

I don't know.

These guys have never been with me on any downhill.

They know they can do where the air is short now.

So it may blow up.

Whatever you do, you take six months, four and a half months, two weeks, weekly announcements.

Either way, Henry, it's going to be good.

It's going to succeed.

Now we know, you and I know, and that son of a bitch Larry knows, too, it's going to succeed.

We are through the worst part of that.

Doesn't it look, in honesty, that right now, Henry, it looks for the first time that we really feel that...

Who would have thought this two months ago with all this bullshit about the election?

But right now, by God, Q is in the saddle.

And they're ready to go.

And if we stick by them and don't cut the board, hey, by God, they're going to make it.

And if we can reverse this, you'll go and show the world.

I would go.

I'm in the middle of January.

I'm not particularly interested, incidentally.

Rodgers is worried about putting the negotiating record, building me up.

You don't get built up for publicity.

Oh, yeah.

But you don't get built up by publishing something that didn't succeed.

The only use that would have is to shut up our critics.

But we can do that in January or we can do it in March.

I would, it would, in my judgment, depend on

What piece of it did they make?

We could make another two months off the refund.

And in March, if we go two months now, we cannot cut the rate.

I just go for $45,000 more.

If you go two more months, you still want to go for $45,000 more?

Whenever you want to do that.

That's right.

But not, no, no, no.

Then in March, you make the final decision.

You say, I'm going to leave that line until we get the prisoners back.

We're trying to get 40,000 veterans out of the U.S., all of them.

Yeah, but we're waiting on them.

All of them to not come back.

I don't know the way these guys come to the last minute and party around here and everything.

I think it's just wrong that I had a discussion with them.

You think that way?

There's almost anything in the middle of town here because that will be under a house to the DJs.

They'll all be figuring into doing something in the DJs.

There's a lot to be said for not doing everything in town here.

You said we're not revealing it all now.

Let me say that we go four months from now.

I think it gives them more of a...

I think keeping them dangling a little.

I mean our critics here at home.

President, you give them four months.

What do you think?

You give them four months now.

You have no time back.

I know it makes another piece of it.

You just have nothing to say to them until your four months are up.

You can't even speed it up because in February you'll be getting ready for the bookkeeping.

And it gives your critics four months in which to organize.

This way you're segmenting them into two months' periods.

Remember what Anderson said?

His theory all along was go a month at a time.

Two months at a time.

It may be that at this last, we better do it in shorter strokes.

And as long as they are that, I don't think it's going to be all that problematic.

I don't think we have to make a plan on how to do that.

I think we're just at the final month and stuck the hell out of the way.

There's various reasons.

I hope we can do it.

Let's see how the negotiations go.

If they blow.

Well, if they blow, then you may go two months more, or you may go five months.

I don't want to go with another two months.

The later you get these debates started, the better off you are.

The advantage of doing it before teaching is because the people are going to be more reluctant to take you on.

The advantage of doing it after teaching is you may get such a run-up in your popularity as to result in teaching that they will be afraid to take you on.

I would doubt that.

But nevertheless, there are the moments you're going to benefit.

These tasks are going to be over all the time in Chinese and English.

But writing press is going to be like your advanced teaching.

All these tough guys, they had to go over with me, and they were telling me, oh, these are just another bunch of foreigners.

They were just completely, I don't know, they were enchanted for war.

So the Chinese were creating a tremendous amount of feeling around me, writing press, and that is bound to rebel on you.

I mean, no matter what they're saying, they are just not going to listen to this man.

So there's a lot to be said before making the final thing after the evening.

But we can stay loose on it if they come up with a big piece of proposal in the weekend.

Now, all right, I've started to tell these people now how we're going to do about informing them about it.

I think you've got a hell of a time on informing people's minds.

Whom?

Foreign allies.

Oh, Christ, we've got foreign allies.

You've got a foreign man, too, who's going to inform them.

Well, we've already told them, okay?

I told him, uh...

I don't know, you know, the courage, you know, to choose us, yeah.

Well, I think we ought to vote in to create an ambassador that he doesn't have to be in my house.

Can we ask you something, Henry?

What about congressional people?

Do you want to inform me of them?

No, no, that's not the point.

No, no, then it's going to build up the pressure.

You see, the point is, I don't want to have to press for it, but I think we're going to have to do it.

I don't think we need any more.

Just let my director call him right after.

There were so many test leaks that he decided, he had intended to do it Monday, he decided to do it Friday.

Yeah, there had been press leaks that he had not.

They had decided to start calling him at 4 o'clock.

And he's fucked up, isn't glad.

I've been telling him, I'll push that son of a bitch away.

I've been telling him to come get me and get me out of the way.

i'll just go out there and do it i was home an hour before

I worry, I can't, I can't call back.

I just can't respond right now.

You just have to call back and prove to Joe about this.

He wants to move on.

That's right.

That's all I need about it.

And I'm not going to talk to him about it right now.

This is really pissing me off.

This is bad.

You're going down.

I've got to prepare this time.

They know they ought to be in here planning how to help us and how to help you.

But, Mr. President, everything we've done... Why don't you do this, Mr. President?

I just don't want to.

But I've got the four-month proposal.

And there are reasons that I think that would jeopardize the change of city.

But can we put that as a reason?

What can we say when we put him on this campaign?

I'm just telling you, you're considering him, and... Yeah, and tomorrow, I think you're going to do two months... Yeah.

...with an option of doing another two and a chance of... Why don't you call him and give him this chance?

Laird is probably not buying it.

Yeah.

So then I think it's wrong for the meeting to start today for the general election.

The four-month one, I think, has some appeal.

in regard to that at 20,000.

Oh, for Christ's sake, if we haven't leaped to 25,000, I don't think that we could.

You know what I mean?

The only way to be leaped would be for Abrams to call the son of a bitch Larry.

I mean, he probably will.

It isn't that important.

It goes and goes.

At least we've done something different from what Larry wanted, right?

Well, now let's get a couple things understood here.

Do you have somebody waiting for you?

No.

What do you, on the rocker's name,

I guess I'm not going to call him back.

I'm just on a move to do it right now.

I'm really going to start.

And how can we handle it?

You have to say, why don't you have Hay call him?

Is that all right?

All right.

And Hay call him and say, look, I got your message.

But frankly, why don't we say I'm over with Julie or something like that?

I'll call them, I'll answer it, I'll say it.

They got the message and I put it that I think there's much to recommend it, but that I don't think it's much better than hilarious.

And the only thing that I'm concerned about, if you'd like them to think about it, is the effect that it has on the Chinese.

How's that sound to you?

Well, tell them you can get it by two months or not.

You're in no way committed to make good, but then you'll see.

Yeah, you'll piss on that.

But, uh...

I'm sorry.

I have literally nothing to do with it.

First of all,

air collar.

They asked about air collar and how long we're going to keep it.

I've got an answer in here, but I suppose that we'll simply say, well, that had been a part of some dehumanization.

But we've got to leave that hanging out there, don't you?

Yes, and I would consider going on the offensive, I would say,

What is the FIU's 90% right now on infiltration into South Africa?

What I mean is, after there is a withdrawal of all American ground forces, are you going to continue to use that?

That is what we're going to talk about.

I would talk about it.

I would say we have a duty to attend all military operations.

and part of those coaches, I would try to talk it out.

The fact that it may be made, Mr. President, is that we are talking too much on this framework of our opponents and our opponents are now getting dangerously to the point where they want us to turn people over to the communists.

Withdrawal of America sounds good, but letting people march into another country without any interference on the exam surface

The problem that One China arises, I think they could very well say, well, that's something that the government or the Republic of China, the people of the Republic of China agree on, that one of China is good.

And that, however, it is our position that there is One China, that it is our position that as far as that One China is concerned, the resolution of that need to be worked out, and at least we'll be able to do that.

That would be better.

What about Pakistan?

What about, at least, what do you want to say about Pakistan that cut off aid and so forth and so on and so on?

and what our plans are for Pakistan and India.

I would say, to cut it all the way, I would say this was done.

First of all, I would say this whole military issue was vaguely, it was vastly overdone.

For partisan or for, I wouldn't say it was done.

It was necessary to say for partisan purposes.

There was never very much in the pipeline.

Once, at that time, both governments decided

that I'd say the total sum, the total amount that was set was less than $500,000 more than it's payable.

But then the Pakistan government very gently agreed that we did not have to honor these contracts in the light of the misunderstanding that there is an anti-negligible impact on the treatment of adults in America.

Secondly,

I would say that there are two parts.

One has to do with the help of the refugees, the other with the political revolution of this country.

On the help of the refugees, they live more than the rest of the world can buy.

On the political revolution, we have made a series of suggestions to Pakistan, all of which have been accepted.

And we are in favor of the greatest degree of self-determination that we've used in the world.

But what we cannot accept is that this is used as a pretext for international war.

And that we are strongly opposed to the use of force across all continents to achieve the resolution of this deal.

I'll say something that can be read as an anti-Indian crime.

for a Chinese benefit.

Yes.

I got the usual, was there an answer, but what can I say about that?

I don't know, I don't know what to say, but I did want to ask you if you want to try that sort of question.

I just, if you're, if you're kind of interested in that, that's a good question.

If you're kind of interested in that, that's a good question.

I don't know if you've decided what to do about it.

If you've decided what to do about it.

I couldn't, of course, tell you the whole thing, but, uh...

It's so...

I... Rogers, I mean, they have so undermined their creative confidence in us, it's awfully hard.

I think they may not just want to wait through the election.

What is the situation?

What's the color of the bank?

Is that really the heart of the country?

The trouble was this.

The color of the bank, plus the fact that Raj is at the U.S., and publicly took the decision, means that the Israelis feel that if you get into the negotiations, you have no choice except to back up Raj's.

So that UN speech means we, they are counting us as an Egyptian backer, so they figure if we get in, they're just going to make it legitimate for us in this country.

You're the one who forced them into something they've already said they don't want to accept, and in that case, they'd rather have a shoulder.

This is very preliminary, but I have to put it to them hard, since I didn't know that you really wanted to do it.

How many intermediates actually might be able to do it?

I think there's no question when you say the situation, you agree with me, and I want to intervene, but I have to do it at the right time.

But what you would have to do is to get told that, you know, give her the facts, give her some assurance that the country can do it.

So you can say that you'd have to intervene.

Now, actually, I don't think there's a lot for me to do in this country.

They have turned it so much into a prison of issues.

They could have said, for example, in July, they'll get the pamphlets at the end of the production time, which means they wouldn't have had to be delivered today, so we still could have cut them all off.

That Cisco is a nightmare.

He's anesthetic, but he's absolutely no testament.

But I think we can sell him something in the news.

What about intelligence?

On that, intelligence is crap.

This idea that there is a reorganization, that they're not going to take your chain, in my opinion.

But the reorganization, did one say?

I taught this to Simon this morning.

It doesn't give me any power that I don't have.

The guy gives power to, all they did is write up, the guy... Did the F.I.I.B.

recommend this?

Yes.

I didn't recommend this.

I frankly am neutral about it.

The foreign intelligence, of course, don't do it.

So the foreign intelligence was a strange group of private citizens.

Recommended this.

Exactly.

And the Office of Management and Budget studied it, and they recommended it.

The major role of use of it is to give greater professional control, that is to say, Helms is supposed to have now a supervisory role with respect to all the intelligence and not just the central intelligence agency.

That's the real change.

That committee that I'm heading is the general

to see a review group and its purposes for the first time to give every consumer in this state and other agencies who have no voice in the direction access to

But I wouldn't get into my role at all because that's the privilege.

No, no, no.

I just say this because you're a professional director.

I don't know about that.

But I'm supposed to be a manager.

I'm supposed to change the role.

Okay.

What is the situation?

Getting back to the Rogers thing.

This isn't a delicate thing.

God damn it.

I have always taken this call.

I should not hear this.

I'm not going to work.

Nobody should.

But the point is, I would simply say this first.

That I have to go over.

I have to...

No, but I've been with the, I've been doing the hard work, and I'm working on the agriculture at this point.

Now that I'm in this meeting with the pay board, the pay board is very sticky at the moment.

I shouldn't put the, I'm working on the pay board, and I'm very sticky, and I really shouldn't step out of it.

But he, that I, that I have called, and he's on it.

You say that.

that, uh, oh, well, maybe he's able to change his mind, you know, maybe he feels better.

But then I'll say, and I'd say, this proposal is going to last four months, and I think it sounds good, but I wonder if he'd put it down on a piece of paper and send it over.

You know, he has no more than that.

It's, uh, that's just a decision, you know.

All right.

You don't want to do that.

I'll take care of it.

How can I just do it?

I was telling Rodgers that you, that I was talking to you before the phone call came in, that you'd let him in with the paper work.

I met him at the White House, White House people about the pay board and the city then.

And I knew that when your call came in, you sent a note out with both that I should tell him, that you had a chance to tell him.

No, I don't know quite that much.

See, I don't know you too, Charlie.

First, why don't you just say that I just finished this getting...

I don't know why I keep hitting up.

I keep thinking...

I've just been doing this and I've just gone over that, but I have called, I think it's a great win there in the Senate, but I call both Scott and Sennett's.

And I guess, and I told some others, but I called Scott and sent him some congratulatory messages.

I mean, on Scott's birthday, and I congratulated him.

And I got this message from Hayden, and I've been studying it this afternoon, along with Larry's recommendations.

which are six months, and then say, Bill, what do you think about this?

Why is this one better than six months?

How's that the way to go?

Is that the way to go?

Larry recommended, Bill, six months, and his is four months, and I'm studying that.

But I'm just, God damn it, I mean, he isn't...

You know, the trouble we're going to have here, Henry, is that we're just going to have one hell of a time on the Chinese-Russian business.

And he's going to want to come in and rise and all this.

And he's going to piss on us.

How are we going to handle that?

This is what I mean.

Well, you shouldn't say this, you shouldn't say that, and so forth.

It is what it is.

Why don't you run this out?

Of course.

I think...

Well, I think, Mr. President, quite honestly, at some point, you ought to call your cabinet, and tell them, I'm the President.

This is the way I want it.

I don't know why you should suffer the anguish all the time.

You know that it's bad there, being a... That's the genius of leadership, that keeps people going all the time.

Yeah, but those two, I must say, are the ones who got in the way.

Oh, the Chinese have been having so busy that the Chinese moved that stage guy out of the way, and he never took a hit.

And Rodgers, Mark Knuth, nobody gets to see him show up on it.

It should be a primary session, and you can see when they break up.

I'm studying the option, and I guess I'm looking at the Larry one this afternoon, which is six months.

uh what is this this four month you want to get over here so i can look at it too and you know you've been thinking about the two months what are the arguments for the fours against the six asking that and what are the arguments for the two companies that i won't be back but i won't be back and if they were to go about this uh degree from the 637 to 630.

No, I don't want you to call me.

Maybe I won't say I won't.

I'll just say that I've got to concentrate on this this afternoon.

I've got to study.

I'm going to be studying later tonight.

Let me know if you're going to be up tomorrow.

Yeah.

I'm going to try to make up my mind tomorrow.

Well, no, tell him that you'd like to get it to me so that I can look at it when it's fresh in the market.

But I've got to spend the rest of the day on the pay board.

Put it that way, but I just don't want to get involved in this.

These goddamn people in foreign policy have got to realize that.

But I've got other things to run around here, too.

It took me an hour to do the Department of Agriculture today.

I've got this goddamn pay board on my mind right now.

Huh?

They shouldn't blackmail you like this, because he knows it goddamn well.

Uh, that...

He knows what I'm going to do.

When you spoke of two months a few weeks ago, he didn't raise one objection.

He has three weeks to make a point.

And even if he thinks he's going to do it Monday, to start harassing you the last three days before a decision on Monday.

In any event, two months would be, two month announcements are better than one full month.

That we know.

Well, I think we just put it right in the face and say, look, we'd like to get it fresh in the morning.

He's going to look at it fresh in the morning.

What do you think, Bill, about this?

God damn it, I'm not going to call him in the morning.

What do you think?

I don't think I should.

It's an emotional problem, gentlemen.

It's less of a strain on what you're going to do.

It's to know what you're going to do.

He knows what you're after, young.

He's just, well, just like this villain, Mr. Brisbane.

He had all the money on his own.

For a whole day, I was beginning to doubt my sanity.

Rush came, came out to the rest post.

He was so upset about it.

...scientist, almost medical... ...Kraslow from the Los Angeles Times called me today and said...

He is one of the... Well, he said his man had been briefed at State, that State had had a good trip to China, all said that the Cambodia thing is...

And you, therefore, set it back by two years, and it took two years to get it back on the track.

You know, this is now going to be a pattern.

He doesn't hear this from board.

So I'm going to have it in the New York Times.

I know these are all absurd rates.

Now, Grasloff, yes, sir.

I told you.

I said, I said, I said, excuse me while I puke for a minute.

Yes.

Really?

I sat there so ridiculous.

I sat there.

I was in contact with the Chinese two years ago.

We had these warsome meetings.

I know, but they weren't talking about a trip.

And you started the warsome meetings too, don't you remember?

That Sturzel?

You would have Sturzel to walk up to the... What?

Well, if they drive us too hard, I'm going to call them and transfer us on time and show them the changes.

that preceded it, or at least given the date in the summary, so that...

I mean, on that one, there can't even be a reason in the case.

Who do you think they see in the statement, who tells them that?

Well, I think there is a decision.

I don't think Bill will do it that way, but I think he says, we have to go on the offensive.

Then that man, that Peterson, because Bill's a man, we have to think he's a believer, that Peterson gets it going.

Because, after all, there has never been a story critical of film that could be in any way related to the White House.

Never.

There has never been a story critical of film that could be in any way related to the White House.

Almost a medical van, Peter.

And here's going to be a painful moment for us.

We're going to be tossed prior to Russia because we don't want to do that.

We're going to be sick.

Oh, Dad, we can let it do the dating.

Oh, I want to prepare it, but I don't pay any attention to it.

Any more than I pay attention to the goddamn date that they prepared it on.

But that's... Give them all that to do.

Give them a model, a red hair.

That's easy, Dad.

We can let them do it.

But I will do my own thing.

I'm just surprised it doesn't...

I wonder if Bill really doesn't think, doesn't really understand or realize that I know more about this goddamn subject than any of these little assholes in state.

You?

That's the president.

If he wanted...

I know, I know he's back there.

You didn't know anything.

I've talked to him.

If he wanted to be your principal advisor, or if he wanted to be the director, he should study this subject.

We should know more than anyone else.

We should have calm judgements instead of doing everything in the best of strength.

If you call him and say, look, we have a real crisis in the neighborhood today and he's got to stay through it and go through it for too long.

And that's true.

I'm not going to go to bed tonight.

Second one.

And however it is, it's, I think, that's how it is.

The light is, the light is, the light is, the light is.

I said Hagan would roll up with the vote, and that Hagan, that Duke, that Hill has written a memo.

He's on his desk.

He won't be able to look at it for the moment.

And you say, Bill, what do you think?

I mean, John, and you say that Bill Blair has also written a memorandum of advisement.

Six months.

What is the argument?

Why four rather than six months?

You know that?

What do you think of that, Bill?

Yeah, all right.

I'll, uh...

But once you've done it, Mr. President, you won't hear another beep out of him.

And when it works, he'll collect credit for it.

Let's be the same all along.

He won't.

He's not a fighter.

Well, tomorrow... We'll just... With that, you call Tom and I to the parking lot.

It's going to be hard to get for him, him and Laird.

Laird, I have no problem with that.

Laird deserves it.

So is Rodgers, but Laird came in here and he doesn't.

And I think you would call up, your view would be to call him at 3.30 and say, because...

He's got to go forward.

He's going forward in two months.

He's going to announce $45,000.

Why don't you think that's the way to do it?

That's right.

But is that all that promised?

We've already told the Osprey.

Who else is there really to be accredited?

5,000 more.

He isn't going to be worried about that.

Yeah.

Yeah, and say don't.

This is not to go beyond this.

It cannot go to 4 o'clock.

And that's in Korean, I just forget it.

What do you think?

Well, I'll go with that.

Do your best, Mrs.

I'm not going to call you back tonight.

Okay.

I'll take care of it.