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Conversation 300-013

TapeTape 300StartThursday, November 4, 1971 at 1:48 PMEndThursday, November 4, 1971 at 3:47 PMTape start time00:22:23Tape end time00:26:34ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Kissinger, Henry A.Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building
AudioNARA Description

On November 4, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:48 pm and 3:47 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 300-013 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 300-013

Date: November 4, 1971
Time: Unknown between 1:48 pm and 3:47 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President talked with Henry A. Kissinger.

     The President’s memorandum to William P. Rogers

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[Previous National Security (B) withdrawal reviewed under MDR guidelines case number
LPRN-T-MDR-2012-001. Segment declassified on 03/19/2015. Archivist: DR]
[National Security]
[300-013-w001]
[Duration: 46s]

     The President’s memorandum to William P. Rogers
          -The President’s meeting with Indira Gandhi
               -Avoiding war with Pakistan
               -Duration of meeting

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     The President’s memorandum to William P. Rogers
          -US aid to India
               -Senate

     Kenneth B. Keating

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[Previous National Security (B) withdrawal reviewed under MDR guidelines case number
LPRN-T-MDR-2012-001. Segment declassified on 03/19/2015. Archivist: DR]
[National Security]
[300-013-w002]
[Duration: 1m 18s]

     Indians
           -President’s opinion of their appearance

     Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy

     The President’s memorandum to William P. Rogers
          -The President’s meeting with Indira Gandhi
               -US aid to India

                 -Agha Muhammad Yahya Khan
                 -Possibility of war

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     The President's forthcoming meeting with Gandhi
          -The President's meeting with Josip Broz Tito
          -Vietnam negotiations
               -Prisoners of war [POWs]
               -Laos, Cambodia

     Kissinger’s meeting with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
Transcript (AI-Generated)

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

In the memorandum of Bill Rogers, you might say that I had the distinct impression that despite all of the protestations, that they were trying to create a situation to warm the war and so forth.
Yeah, yeah.
I always say they want to wake up with it.
And, you know, after all, for her to take 30 minutes of time, you know, and after I, it's very specific and very candid, and she's bullshitted around about how the tax center is set up and all, and now for Christ's sake, I know that.
You know, wouldn't that be an amusing view?
Typical of how... That's right.
And that I came down on my idea that, and I want Bill to do it more directly and more toughly, that is to reemphasize it even more hard, that the war comes and jiggers up as far as we're concerned.
I mean, on the 8th.
Also, you might get...
The thing is, I can well see, you know, God damn it, we got Keating and a separate week over there and others and they all roll over and they're just totally taken into the Indian.
God, do they, you know, to me, they turn me off.
How the hell do they turn other people on?
Tell me.
What do you think?
She didn't cheat.
Yeah, that's my view.
They turn me off.
They are repulsive, and it's just easy to be tough on them.
And it's only that it's only because it's good.
And our people, I think, I think our people lead them on.
You know, I do know this guy's bad, but he had a couple of shots from Teddy and a few others, and the press, and the fact that we're getting
I want to be sure Roger backs up the idea that I have a strong feeling.
I reassured her on the aid.
I reassured her that we're working with Yahya.
I reassured her that we need to keep those relations to do so.
And then when I came down to what we should do,
They were very vague, and I get the impression that despite their protestations that they sit there really, really thinking they want to break up all the time.
Oh no, when I left, I said, all right, but listen, we're going to bring it up in control tomorrow.
So you mean do the same thing I did to Tito?
No, but do what I said that you don't.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, I'll just say it very quietly.
I just said you routinely go out and know that this book is done.
This is our last offer.
And we have no choice, of course, to continue with our program.
They have 400 prisoners in certain kinds of societies.
I will have to do what I've done.
I'm in Laos and Cambodia, and I won't be against Laos or Cambodia.
I just want her to go yank around.
Don't worry, I'll do that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Things will go all right.
Oh, I know that's what it was going to be.
What we were doing.
Yeah.
All right.
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