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There's a lot of evidence that that is our stall thing on business and we're not getting the stuff that everybody's just

waiting to write orders once they get out of the nest, getting ready to go, if they did maybe other things.

Sorry, I let it mark it more than it does.

Turn it on to me and it starts it.

I'll throw you to the point.

Oh yeah, I'll do that.

Can you breathe with that?

No.

She's, that's the only indication we've seen.

That's her, her line, of course.

She's the face of the house.

Well, she's very, she looks for everything she can find to be, you know, to get us something.

She has so much care of us.

She looks for something to pour in on us.

It's the way, it's calm, it's good.

Yeah.

What is the situation on the labor and ending of the report?

It's him, yeah.

What about the bit, there's nothing developed to change the skulls?

I know they were, George told me that they didn't get a report after the accident.

Yeah.

I don't want to just sit and gasp about it, that's the point.

Well, give me a call in case you need to make this a meeting.

Whether you mean Weber or Schultz, you know, some of you will be important to us as to what role we play in the future.

You're on the board, I agree, I agree, I agree.

He's a board member, you're correct.

Fine, we'll just Jordan, you know, then fine.

You talk to Jordan, and you or Jordan both want to talk about what they were doing.

But I'd also want to talk about progress, you know, because I don't want to get into the day-to-day necklace.

Good.

Okay, okay.

Okay, that's fine.

Okay, fine, fine.

Nothing else you have today?

You're not sending any support to Vietnam?

Well, we know that.

Yeah.

Wait, I'm not doing all that.

It doesn't make a lot of that much difference.

What else?

I'm trying to think.

What do you think about our Democratic candidates now that there are certain sponsors around?

What about the Teddy Trap tax?

Incidentally, one thing I think was good was there was a mayor in West Virginia, a Rizzo person, who I thought was better for us in the long term.

And her opinion in Cleveland was good.

In any Republican point of view, any Democrat, any Republican, and in particular, I ran a couple of races.

That's all I'm going to say.

Thank you.

Good man.

Yeah.

All right, well, I'll call back.

Yeah.

We should win that.

He's kind of a liberal.

I don't know if you're kind of a liberal.

Yeah.

Yeah, we're weak.

We're weird.

We've got to go in there and talk to the cops.

Right?

Well, I think Rizzo's saying the worst thing.

Basically, it's an interesting thing.

In Philadelphia, the Rizzo vote, the Raley with more R votes, and then the Longstreet, the Longstreet was appealing to the blacks and the Jews, and Rizzo was appealing to the white ethics.

Give us a goddamn statement or something.

I don't know if he mentioned, but we have some good follow-up that we can make on this whole mayor business so we can get some of this headway out.

Because not just for ourselves, but yeah.

Yeah.

Hello?

Mr. Mayor, I just wanted to congratulate you.

where, I mean, I know the times I've seen you up in Philadelphia here, and I followed your campaign, of course, knowing that it was, I always look at these mayorally things as kind of not part of the thing, but believe me, you ran a fine race, you were dignified, you took the right line on the law and order issue, and it shows that the people of Philadelphia want what you've had to offer.

And I also want you to know that, as you can tell, that you're fine with that.

talking to your predecessor, that we want to work here for White House with you all out.

When you talk to us, be sure that there's no party line or anything.

And the man, the man is that you, that I have already told, if you've got any problems that the city can take up with, where we can help some federal government, is Hurleyman, John Hurleyman, who's the head of our rescue council.

I'll have to be in touch with you so that after you get in, you have a little time for you.

When do they inaugurate you?

2nd of January.

Well, that'll be anytime.

How do you feel?

Yeah.

You're good.

You didn't wear out?

That's right.

Well, I appreciate it, and I just say you can be sure that whatever Washington can do, we want to help you, because Philadelphia, of course, we're looking forward to seeing after 76 may come off, and we want to work as closely as possible that you can.

Okay?

Yeah.

Well, I hope I didn't wake you up.

I'll bet you weren't up how late you stayed up last night.

Four o'clock.

I know my fault.

I used to go through that.

Well, good luck anyway.

Goodbye.

This is a nice little call.

You know how I feel about you.

It's pretty desperate.

Does that get confirmed?

I know it's been pretty clear out in the background.

It's very important that, uh...

What do you mean about the problem?

We've got Pete Wilson's thing who campaigned completely on the Nixon.

Did Pete win?

Yes, sir.

Yes, you should call him in, but not for a while.

Oh, you see, we wouldn't have known.

Terry gave me the list of calls to make.

I mean, not calls, but the list of wins and loses.

Well, Pete did win, damn right.

First Republican mayor of San Diego in a long time.

That's Johnny Loehr.

Remember, many years ago, he was one of the managers of San Diego.

Yeah.

Who?

No, I don't know.

I had something to ask her about.

She didn't call me in no hurry.

No, she didn't call me back.

She didn't say no hurry.

You take Cleveland, where Stokes got slaughtered.

Stokes is a man who was raped and beaten by a Republican.

Mayor Perk, P-E-R-K, Ralph Perk, in Cleveland, now he just elected last night, but they're operating on a region.

That Rizzo, he shazaws up to four o'clock and so forth.

I think as soon as we can, on Rizzo, I want to make him look early for this, too.

call him later today and say the president directed me to call you that I haven't been telling you how to be and we'll be glad to work with you during this and that and we're pushing revenue share and all that sort of thing.

Well, that's the thing is the revenue share.

You've got a chance to make some hay out of that with Wilson, with Burke, with Rizzo.

Yeah.

Oh, no problem.

No, no, no, no, no.

Oh, that's funny enough.

And we can get some money, you know, the Virginia Revenue Sheriff, they'll come out for it, they'll come out for it.

People are strongly for it, I assume, they assume it's the people that got it once they checked it on.

The only place where we lost it first was Kentucky, but I think that was mostly Kentucky, but that wasn't it.

No, it wasn't, at least our people, we thought so here, but our people in Kentucky

They were, in fact, we had a strong pitch from none of his people.

None of them.

Wanting you to come into Kentucky last Saturday so that you would get credit for the victory.

And it wasn't so you'd push him over that we're not doing that.

They were saying, you know, so that it would look like a decent victory.

And, you know, we didn't even consider it.

At least my boys were quite very close with him, though.

Alioto re-won in San Francisco, which is sort of astonishing.

to contenders and under our guard, and we still do that.

Well, on Kentucky, though, Kentucky's big in the Virginia thing.

They will try to turn against us.

Virginia.

Yeah, the Republican lost to Virginia.

Well, he ran in third.

Yeah, he was first lieutenant governor.

He ran as a total, you know, there was no chance of his winning.

The guy in Kentucky, some of the people thought he might win.

He ran as an extra valiant man, but he's a totally new man.

That's the Democratic campaign.

And he was carrying on his back the state administration.

And that was the problem.

And that's what they hung him on, not on his Nixon.

They did agree they hung him on his Nixon, this financial policy, and the state administration, and the Democrats took Nixon on, which is, of course, understandable.

But what the hell did he do with that?

All in all, the mayor's things.

Look at Lugar.

Lugar won almost two to one.

62% of the vote.

That's a good one.

They even said he was going to be close to... Yeah, they were trying to make the thing.

Nobody...

The thing that worries me is that I just don't think that

If you look at Mitchell's present organization, I like Harry Fleming, and I like your man, Grutter, but neither one's a politician.

Grutter Martin.

Fleming thinks he is, which is even worse, and he's not.

Grutter doesn't pretend to be.

Grutter is something else.

In fact, he's a fine man.

But you need one guy like a Buehler.

You can talk to the pros.

Neither of those guys has any qualifications as a real politician.

Vietnam continues to go down.

We're not asking for support for Vietnam.

In effect, you're a factory pushing support for Vietnam down because we're saying Vietnam is going down.

Vietnam is going down.

Oh, what?

I was going to ask you, somebody, Paul Keats has always had a very good idea that the kind of thing you really ought to, must not count on the estimated, the impact, you know, on the satire and other stuff.

What is your, what, if anything, do you know about the, the, the, the wrong book, the Milhouse, what do you know?

No, very much.

I'm getting, who's, who's responsible for the book?

I don't know.

The wrong thing I know is the review of the news report might indicate that they might be pretty much behind that.

Yeah, because they gave a review way out of the book.

The book had, we, we got advances of it and our people were very disturbed.

about it.

It's, it's a genuine poem.

I read it, or skimmed through it, I'm going to find it.

I mean, it is a ridiculous book, and it's sickening, and it's, it's, it's, it's by the President of the United States.

I know that, I know that man, whose name is Trig E. Dixon.

And, uh, the name is that, that, uh, he, he, uh,

He's tied to the abortion thing.

The thing that inspired the book was your statement on abortion.

And so he's decided that, and then he juxtaposes that with your defense of Callie, as he puts it, who shot a woman who had a child in a pregnant woman.

And relates that you're defending a guy who kills a woman with an unborn child in her.

Balances that.

It's a sixth.

you know, perverted kind of thing that ends up with you being assassinated or with Tracey Gibson being assassinated.

And then he goes to hell, and in hell he starts politically organizing down there.

And what kind of New York Times are you in favor of?

I didn't see the Times.

How big is the circulation?

It isn't showing up on the sales list yet, so there's no indication.

But Philip Roth is a very big author, so... What is he?

He wrote, I think I've heard, Goodbye Columbus, which became a very big movie, and got him some notoriety.

But then his big thing was Port Rice and Plain, which was the most obscene pornographic book.

That's what I mean.

Philip Roth all the time.

Philip Roth basically has been in one of these...

Supreme Court cases on Senator.

That's what it is over here.

Yeah.

Well, I would think that's right.

And this is very obscene in a different kind of sense.

And it's very cute.

It's like the minister in it is Billy Cupcake instead of Billy Graham.

And the attorney general is John Malicious instead of John Mitchell.

And, you know, he's done this play on names all the way through.

But it's...

But at least to me, it seems like a very childish book.

I never read Fort Knox Complaint, so I understand it was a well-written book of, you know, just sickeningly vocal.

Then they've done, they've got a movie called Trish's Way.

I had, we smuggled in to have some people take a look at it.

I took a look at it, and I knew it had a homosexual movie through it.

have done it, and it's all done by men.

And it's not just anti-Nixon, it's anti-establishment.

Rose Kennedy is at the wedding and she's dead, and they keep propping her up, she keeps falling over, and she gets a man who plays her part.

And it ends with a homosexual orgy, and they all do everything permanently.

And this is running at a little theater here called the Janus Theater.

It's only a 20 minute film.

And it's run with, there's apparently, they have a half a dozen of these filthy melons.

And this is one of them.

It runs at midnight.

It doesn't run during regular time.

You have to go at midnight.

Then there's this movie, Mel House, which I'm getting over here to look at.

The question is,

here is whether they're over blames, because these are all so crude and go so far that they, you know, good satire can be devastating.

And that's what they're trying to make a lot out of today.

Yeah.

Hello?

Mr. Mayor?

Well, I hope I didn't hit you up.

I know you were up late.

Yeah.

Right.

Well, I want to congratulate you.

The papers here, I didn't learn that.

I came in around 12.30 last night.

I was given an interview at the primary school studio, and my political man said, it looks like Ralph Burt is upset.

And I said, great, because I knew he was taking a crack at it before, and now he's came true.

And I do have my congratulations.

And also, I want you to know that

We always want to work with the mayor of a great city, and we'll be glad once you get your congratulatory notes all answered to work with you on the problems of the city.

We were delighted to have you.

Believe me, it was great to get our hearts put here this morning to see what Ralph made.

Well, good luck to you now.

Goodbye.

We've been to a church service.

Our people did not mark on the thing that he was candid for mayor.

I should know that this anti-blackness ever is getting proper.

It was also good.

They knew he was going to lose, but he lost.

He didn't even show up.

that's completely clustered.

Well, on this, on these things, I think that making a hell of a, I wouldn't make, I wouldn't frankly, I wouldn't frankly talk about it.

I just think it's not good to do that.

On the other hand, I think it's well to have ways to get out of it another way.

I don't know any periods anyway.

But it's interesting to note, this is coming from the,

They're really sick left.

Yes.

For the most part.

Yes.

And it's, see, it tends more to be anti-establishment than it does anti-next.

Now, the Milhouse one is anti-next, apparently, and that's, I want to see that.

What's it, a movie or a lot?

It's a movie done by a guy who has, the media have given a fairly good play to the NCO or something, and he, uh,

He says, they say, what was the purpose of the movie?

He says, to destroy Richard Nixon.

And, you know, that's a part of the law.

Making the movie cost money.

That's right.

Again, that's my point.

This is one that didn't cost very much.

Because what he did was use network phone clips.

He bought the phone clips, which anybody can do.

And we had to do it.

And it's apparently, I understand.

I haven't seen it.

I'm going to see it.

That means a lot.

I understand it's quite well done, and if it is, it may be the kind of one that I do think we need to be concerned about.

Someone does good satire, they can be devastating with it.

Now they're trying, Newsweek's trying to build Roth's book as good satire, and people who have read it say that it is, say that it's revolting and sick, and because of this whole chapter on the assassination, that it's a, you know, quite repulsive because of that, and to most people,

But there's, you know, there's a lot of underground newspapers who do this obscenity stuff with all public papers.

I know.

And they, they... Well, you've got to expect...

This is a part of that.

We've got to do it.

Absolutely.

They did it to Johnson.

They did it to Kennedy.

And they do it to Kennedy still.

And they still do it on the, you know, it's anybody.

Well, they did it to Johnson.

They're not, they're not doing me.

They've never done me like they've done to Johnson.

It's hard to do.

It's very hard.

The comics don't get good laughs.

The closest they came to it that they did something with is they ran as a feature thing in some theaters the checkers speech and set it up as a thing for kids to go to and laugh at.

And that kind of backfired and they quit because people went and decided it wasn't all that funny.

When you looked at it barely there was

Yeah, they ran it as a feature film, the whole $9 page, along with one of these film land launches that they did.

And it was built in the Checker Street.

And of course, it has some humorous value, simply because it's so long ago.

It was dated.

They said it takes on 20 years old, and 19 years old.

It's the best stuff, unfortunately, our enemies are sold.

it's interesting nobody uses that they have they do use this denuncio millhouse does use some stuff out of that apparently it uses all the tests and stuff out of the objective speech and then what it does is it's quite artfully done apparently it cuts from that to other kinds of things you know this is quick cutting and

devices of that kind that sort of set you up against yourself or set you up against the facts where they have you talking about one subject and then they cut the film with something else that makes it self-contradictory or whatever?

No, I would notice if you've been following reviews.

Let me follow that and see who's trying to build them up.

That's one thing.

Yeah?

Yeah, and this is the thing.

We've had both Colson and Moore, the three of them, Colson, Moore, and I.

But I don't want to expand it beyond that.

Well, and John Dean on the legal side.

Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't get the staff officer involved.

They're all aware of it.

I mean, you know, we're letting them spend a lot of time on it.

And you can get a story out the White House and worry about it.

I don't want to do that.

That will build up.

You've got to be very careful.

There's a problem with this.

without knowing what they are, you can't do anything.

None of us people, we can go to the theater and see, I mean, I won't see this.

It's a mill house thing.

Where is it showing all over the country?

Not yet, I don't believe, but they're, it'll run in these back room theaters, so it doesn't run in, oh, I was thinking,

with all the things we've done for the movie industry and so forth and so on.

But planning to put a movie on top of these people.

Yeah.

But you'll still get the pornographic history.

See, there's a whole chain of movie theaters, the pussycat theaters.

I see.

All that that run this.

That's where they'll run new pictures and pornographic films.

And kids' stories.

And all that.

Yeah.

Pretty heavily.

Yeah.

Not so much.

There's the underground type theaters that the kids go to and then these dirty ones.

Theaters, there's not so much we get.

It's, uh, we don't know that.

That's right.

It's sort of the same thing, but, uh, hmm.

It's very neat.

We do, but Paul's right.

We've got to watch for it.

And we've got to listen to it.

It's always been a key spirit.

The way to get to the other side is to laugh at it.

I don't want to laugh at you.

Well, so far, none of these have really succeeded in laughing.

Some of it succeeded in horrifying a little bit.

And they... Well, they did get a great review.

They're getting very great reviews, but I see them just not... Well, there are times when one...

I don't know.

It's probably dropped, but... No, in one of the mill houses.

Well, they had the guy on TV one night.

Yeah, they did.

Yeah, and...

Yeah, yeah.

And that he did it, he...

He had a mission.

I don't know.

Rock was a person, too.

Oh, yes.

Now, Rock was a very bad guy.

I know, I don't believe this, and I know it's a great clarification on all of this.

And that was one of the, you know, not as critical as that.

And he's had certainly a brilliant phone call.

That's right.

But he's in a...

brilliant in a sick way.

In everything he's written, he's done a series of three novellas that are done.

That's his news and things in South America.

He gave some good reviews too.

A lot of this, a lot of this, he turned to our bank, and his mother too, who was called on to have the anti-Semitic thing going.

Well, I think the anti-Semitic

I hate to say this, but he was very helpful to us.

I mean, you hear a singer even as great as Richard Tucker, and basically, how is he to you?

Is he pushing on you tonight?

Is he just talking about what you're going to do?

Yeah.

I saw him sing in the synagogue school.

He was awfully good.

Thank you.

I don't want to charge your issues, but I'm pretty honest with you.

It's a good one, though.

It's a wacky one, but it's just a plus.

It's an anti-Semite.

It doesn't hurt.

If you want more anti-Semites, then there are two.

And the anti-Semites are the best, generally, when you share a life source.

So that's a problem, actually, in the city.

Yeah, we could.

But that man who was out of the mission, because he's been, I mean, one, just a little suggestion, if you've got a pommel with a curly sapphire garment, you know, all of the people that were working out the way he was like, if there's anything he's made all the races prove on, they prove that the better place for us to go are not the Jews and the Negroes, but to go where

on a social issue.

Cleveland proves it.

Philadelphia proves it.

Long trek to the other side.

I don't know.

We better be sure, as I understand it, basically.

I think he associated himself.

I think he did it quite strongly in a couple of months.

I think we should probably not bother.

I think we should get back to Rizzo.

But the other point is,

Lugar, on the other hand, he didn't do it.

He just ran across the board.

But you see these other two systems.

Do you not agree with the big case that Lugar was in trouble because of his unique thing?

Pete Wilson, that's great.

Yes, it really is.

That's great.

Pete Wilson is an excellent creature.

He's your boy.

First class.

He's fine.

He started his life in the Senate.

You also got to give attention to that.

And building up afterwards.

We started in the 62 campaign.

Which is an advancement.

The reason for that is that Bob did that, but Bob pushed him to run for mayor.

So I don't know if Bob did it or not.

Number one.

Or are they not against it?

They don't think it'll work.

Well, therefore, they argue that you can't get them on the Guelph-Rothwells.

No, but they don't.

Then they come down, they come down against everything we're going to go after the capital.

Everything they come in is, what are we going to do for the city?

What are we going to do for the Jews?

What are we going to do for the Negroes?

God damn, the hell with them.

The Jews and the Negroes aren't anything to do with.

Now, and if you look over the guest list for the dinner last night,

Six blacks, also from the American administration, and also the, and I can see a goddamn Italian name in the whole damn bunch.

You know, Italian or Polish.

We have just got to get that turned around.

Remember, I've been hitting this several times about it.

Who watches those lists?

Well, Colson has a problem with roads getting through the night.

Chuck has a problem with people being antagonized.

But is he so persistent?

Yeah.

Then put somebody else on it.

Send the names in to me.

Send them in.

I think we find that Chuck got some of them.

One of those...

Isn't that what he wants?

trouble is that bond issue just got a hell of a deal.

That must tell us something.

Rocky with all of his money, and Lindsey here coming down for it.

You know, that meant that our records budget was gone.

Yeah.

I know there's a lot of loss in the state legislature in New Jersey.

Oh, I think it came out very well.

You know, the last one before they come to them, so.

And the others, you know, that was the current scene.

Well, that was, that was then seen as a, as a lift.

That won't do us any good, but holding that scene to the public.

And he'd come in, you know, and he'd sort of associate somebody.

Perfect, perfect.

There's some feeling that he may be fairly, fairly good.

He'll be all right.

He'll be sick.

We're both fairly well, yeah.

He'll be sick.

He won't be super alive.

Oh, no, no.

He won't be alive at all.

Yeah, that's right.

What happened to the guy in Michigan?

He seemed to have made it really good.

Oh, I mean, they've got it with the long hair.

You can't remember his name.

I can't even remember.

He was a guy that was going to run on the present all the time.

Yeah, all the time.

I tried to date him completely.

I remember he was a great poet.

Yeah, all that.

Oh, McCloskey sort of did him in.

Oh, okay.

And McCloskey kind of copped off his...

What's the situation?

As I told you, we should give a story.

He's working hard.

He goes up there.

He spends a lot of time in New Hampshire.

He works, he's working coffee type things.

He gets somebody to have a group of 10 people and he sits and talks with them for a couple hours, right?

And he's just trying to build himself a hard core.

And he's got enough time to build himself a hard core.

It's too bad, because he's going on as he has to.

Totally negative.

He's expanding past the war.

His whole pitch is credibility, dishonesty.

He's saying that he's blind on everything.

Anything that happens is further evidence that you're misleading people.

But the main point is that he's expanding pretty well.

That's the main thing.

I don't want anybody, no representative or anybody else to go up there and judge me.

Don't you agree?

There should be a positive campaign.

Did our committee, did they get good names?

Did they cover the state?

I understand they did.

They got good ones.

And a good cross-section.

Bob will go on.

And since, if there's some power, we're going to go up.

Still talking about it.

And we've got...

Uh, it's kind of crazy, man.

The flow of this is becoming more and more.

After the Chinatown, he's, uh, practically gone through surgery.

Mm-hmm.

Oh.

No.

I think that he's, he's sort of just, just a little bit.

Mm-hmm.

And if we park it before it's announced, someone should call Logan Market to know how long it would take.

We won't publish that, but that's what's been bothering me the most.

That's what I understand.

I love this wildlife.

I'm very thankful they saved the paper.

When you turn around mid-air, you start to get what we do with the D02 pieces right back.

Thank you.

We cannot get disturbed about, I just pulled the line very firmly against all our political views.

If you've got guys who want to carry money around, they'll be putting me to, you know, a little interference with Wisconsin and this and that.

Is that it?

I love you.

.

No press conference, no band playing.

All right.

No band.

Not a word.

Not one word.

I don't see it.

Then let me up.

That's right.

Don't see it.

It's beat by a letter.

It could be done that way.

This has got to be a character program.

I don't want to get the amateurs in on this.

Here again, it's where you need a fueling around.

I'm underestimating what John's got.

I think you're overestimating what John's relying on.

I don't think you're underestimating what he's got, but I don't think he's relying on what he's got.

I think he's good.

He'll lean on it.

He'll do a pretty good political lead-up.

Well, now, Lee would be good.

I'll give you good advice.

Lee is pretty good.

I'd like to get a feel of him.

Okay.

I'm going to try to do it.

That's one problem you've got with John.

If he's anti-somebody, there's nothing you can do about it.

I've got a very difficult problem in this political meeting.

Exactly that.

John says he can't be without John.

He can't be with Colson.

There's a series of people like that with John.

I don't know.

I don't feel that way.

Take the most dirty.

We have all this thing that we really made a stunt to be sure of us.

It's got quite a lot of dirt.

Slit dress.

Smart, smart shoes.

That's what we're going to do.

The reporter is trying to find out what it is.

The cloth and the slip skin, whether they were really bare or not, they were cloth.

But actually, it was not a obscene type of dress like Jackie had on.

It looked, the pictures of it, it looked, kind of was great.

Really looked great.

She wore it well.

She was fine.

And the slip leggings, that's an original style.

All the originals were nothing.

See, the thing is, the pictures look good.

The Kennedy one is good.

She just looked like a whore.

Yeah.

Don't you think so?

Yeah.

Well, and her face is also bad and made up.

She's a trashy looking thing.

And that one time she came in here with that transparent blouse and the bra showing.

Disgusting.

I've already done a little better.

You don't need to worry about him.

I mean, he knows what he's supposed to do.

I was trying to find out if you know that girl.

It's only four o'clock out there.

It was close call.

It's seven o'clock.

Well, they'll know, but now we've got an absolute positivity to see if he will support San Diego in the final round or something.

We know that's for sure.

These mayoral events, I remember, and all the other ones, all ran against us, you know.

We've got a national committee, we've got a council, we've got this year, it runs pretty well.

They certainly can't say that the long stretch was all done.

He didn't come down.

He didn't ask for a picture.

I think there was a report that he was, that he had, that his associate had filled his anti-Hanson credential.

Anti-Hanson, not anti-Hanson person, but anti-administration insurer policy.

But Rizzo will be an enormous moment.

He's an enormous moment.

We can make it, for one thing, we can make it an honest vote down in Philadelphia.

You see, they've stolen, we've lost that, we can't go to Philadelphia 330,000 to two years running.

And we know damn well that's happened.

I don't think we're going to do that to them.

We might.

Just like David.

Maybe if he's not, if he's not with the States, happy with it.

The Cleveland thing can't help it.

It's very, you've got to say, you don't have to be in it.

Right.

This guy did.

the reporter that gets the, you've got other parts of him.

Incidentally, I was curious, you know, if you read me three months ago, Muskie's mother is now getting around.

It is.

She's incredible.

She says, I don't know why, but I think we've got a good president now.

And will you vote for him?

I'm not sure.

That's, that's,

I think this has got a lot of crap in it.

It says, probably as many senators as this Sunday UN vote was outraged by the sort of victories staged by a sort of UN delegates.

Announcement by the president's press secretary, any impossible cuts made went well, and reception of the president's views was most favorable.

Overall, even among liberals, appealing from anger and annoyance, discomfort should surge over the spectacle of UN delegates, people in an exhibition span, or the response of both prime churches among them, conceiving of distrust and ideation.

Privately, Scoop Jackson told me he was disgusted with lots of the antics and the result.

However, he's trying as hard as possible to stay aloof from any public comment, unless someone nails him on the line or asks him point blank if he thought to face any blame on the president for the outcome.

Jackson replied quickly, there's no, there is no reason for that.

Would he be making a public statement about that?

I don't think so at the moment.

Finally let it ride.

Yeah, he, this kind of,

I can't help but wonder, though, about the decision of a country like Nigeria to vote an excessive and important question proposal.

There are others, too, like Ireland and Trinidad and Tobago, until Trinidad couldn't exist without a handout from them.

In his view, McGee guessed there would be no blame whatsoever attached to Nixon and his policy changes, except later by some lunatics.

The foreign aid bill may might cross a strange amendment, so it gets stalled.

Remember that.

Then Nixon will hear some harsh words.

It'll all pass.

After his visit to China, I don't think we'll hear much more than an occasional whisper.

The United Nations itself raised as a separate issue, and then covers on a regular basis.

You know, someone could ultimately take a real county in the long run, too.

I'd say that Nixon comes out of all this like a rose.

The need is what gave him that freedom.

AFL-CIO hierarchies trying to pressure Jackson into a declaration attacking the president is the man who should bear responsibility for the fiasco he's been in.

Union statement pointedly tries to fix responsibility on the president.

Sure.

Humphrey has also ducked the AFL persuasion.

He says, big song.

Humphrey's quote is, I've heard about rightist rumblings and grumblings that are dissatisfied with Nixon as far as possible.

Those people will blame Nixon or any president of Democrat or Republican for doing things compatible with the Senate.

They started to blame next months ago.

Of course, that kind of division among Republicans is good for the Democrats.

We have our own problem.

Personally, I don't like anyone blaming Nixon for looking for a good question.

You know, I have to quote this in my case.

He did write in my book, you know, when he came.

What happened to you then?

There may not be an outcome of this approach.

I just want to have a little more information.

The senators and grumpers among the conservatives in this party are not aware of the fact that this is 71, not 72.

U.N.?

Very interesting.

Who proved the idea that any barter-influential segment in the Senate would blame Nixon for the outcome of the U.N.?

Instead, in the first place, a very sizable number had for some time favored a new approach to communist China, and above them are many who wanted to see nationalist China outspread.

These are people who have never liked China.

And it's sad to be very careful to avoid putting anybody on the president.

Mm-hmm.

Forget it.

It's illogical.

Then you're going to do it so humbly.

Next week, next week, they're all going to do it.

It's not all that bad.

I can tell you what I mean.

They're going to emote about it.

Then when you pass the continuing resolution, when are you going to say that?

As long as we get there.

As long as we keep the...

the same right, you know, the Reagan, right, right, as are for our coming into the world.

And cold water has money.

And we'll have cold water from our high water.

I know that.

But that is not.

It's just helpful.

It's still a good symbol, and we need to be.

to be assembled with people, that's the point.

I say it's not leader-type stuff.

Leader-type?

That's not true.

We've got to appeal to a different way.

But we can find ways.

Oh, I see.

The power of the present is very great.

Yeah?

Hello, Rose.

at all.

Well, I thought you might give Annenberg a call.

I did call Rizzo, congratulating him, and Rizzo said, well, I thought about how much I admire him, and he said, well, you know, what I think of you, and he said, you're a good fellow, Walter, and now that this is happening, I really want to get his views, and I'm sure he was very protective, and I remember what he said.

But isn't it a great one?

It's a long term responsibility, so it's good.

I have a meeting of your verification.

Thank you.

And I just wanted you to know that my instinct is, but I don't want to interrupt you, to take a very tough line with this delegation, which is now putting out the word again about the summit delay.

They had a treatment, and conversely, if we want to prove our good faith that we get it after the treatment, we should make them, let them make a hell of a lot of money.

You tell them.

All right.

And you tell them.

Now, I want you to tell them.

I just want you to know that I am just part of the president.

The president, frankly, is greatly disturbed by the stories that have leaked out.

And he doesn't believe, of course, the members of the delegation are doing this.

But they have got to control their bureaucracy, or he's going to have to shake up the delegation.

He's going to hold the delegation responsible.

We're doing that throughout the administration.

I would put that through.

And then I would go on to say, as far as our position is concerned, this is the worst thing we can do with the Soviet thing coming up and the Chinese thing coming up with the game we're playing.

is to make concessions at this time.

The position must be strong, and we should work towards them, but for them to make that sort of thing, that's what I expect.

And I would say, and I put it on me, as you hear from the president, why don't you think so, that I frankly don't like what I have seen.

Rather than having it look like you're doing the same thing, they'll say, here's Kissinger the hawk, and then they'll go around and try to tell Rogers, well, maybe the president isn't there.

The point is, I think they ought to know, this son of a bitch Smith, the mind pissed off.

You understand?

Now they, what's he going to do?

I've got to tell the president, Bismarck, what do we care?

And we make, every concession we've made that has come, has come from us.

Any agreement the bastard has made, we've made for him.

So no one can accuse us of being hostile to Saul.

But if they now go in and start fiddling it all the way,

because of the very great importance of this also throw it on the right wing because of the very great importance and because of the very great problems we have in this country a rising concern about the soviet build-up of all energy weapons and so forth that i insist

that I have got to approve any change for Kenny.

We might have, if you agree.

We haven't had an NFC meeting in a long time.

We're perhaps to do an hour or one hour on next week.

Well, I surely doubt that.

So then you'll have a chance to do it.

By now it's gotten so esoteric that almost no one can understand it anymore.

These guys run it as if it were a seminar in a university.

They come up with new concepts.

They're not up to this to get any credit.

They don't want us to have any credit to do any of this stuff.

That's all.

Well, they've come now with a great, just latest line.

They don't even know what they're going to say.

They say the reason you're going to give them a tough line is so that you can get credit for it.

Somebody told me that this morning.

I said, so what?

We want to screw up that negotiation.

We have 50 ways of doing it without having to talk to Peter Smith.

If we want to vote it, to vote Rogers, all I have to do is call up the president and say, don't settle until we get to Moscow.

We don't have to play.

Why would we let people play with these picnics if we didn't want an agreement?

Isn't that true?

The president would regulate it for us.

The theater's interested in something, and if it's a summit, it's rehab.

They want something out of it, that's something.

I was telling Bob in the building, I don't know what a relief it was, but it was a situation where a guy was all out for us.

You know, he was being hired.

I mean, all the newsmen will say, oh, well...

down there on the who's the great foremost leader in the world he said by the president he would make all the rest of us feel

I don't know why you're embarrassed.

It just would make you very proud of your people.

That's not bad for these sons of bitches to hear.

No, I thought it was excellent food.

They won't credit you, but that's all right.

It's good for our people.

And I think this idea of going to Hawaii and this trip is a practical thing.

It's a big thing.

That's correct.

But I mean, we tend to come back here and

Oh, I see.

Hold on.

I can't do it on any account.

He came first to Moscow.

That's what I've done.

We could come back here and then, say, two weeks or three weeks later, go to Arava.

Yeah.

And go out there, and I think it would be good.

And you'd get a tremendous reception.

At that point, at that time.

I think in Australia, you'd get to that.

Yeah, I would think that.

He told me, for example, the war thing had gone down a lot out there.

It wasn't too much.

I've been active with the Coastal Company.

And Harris has been full in terms of the war, the support for the war, the all-time low.

It's next to surprising.

You know what he said?

It's the war.

Oh, it goes down.

Well, it's got an issue with the war.

Well, or the President's conduct of the war even to the low, too.

You know what I mean?

People want to get the war over with.

That's all.

But we're going to do exactly what we need to do.

We've got the Republicans in pretty good shape, though.

Oh, yes.

They stand goddamn firm.

That was good, yes.

That was masterly.

But you didn't tell them.

Goddamn.

That's the impression, sir.

Something I just think's wrong.

Maybe.

That's right.

But I think that's the impression.

Well, it's good, too, for McGregor to get to work, too, and Cook and those folks, because they've got to be down there fighting this lonely battle all the time.

And it is true that there's congressmen everywhere standing to get in ahead of us.

What do they say?

Oh, you mean to postpone the decision on it?

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I don't think they did.

They were talking about the continuing resolution.

But I make the point that you should give, you should roll on Superchurch.

Yeah, well, Roger told me he wants that too.

The way Superchurch is now written is evident here.

It's the worst form it's ever been because it not only put the headline on our withdrawal that we could fail this way, but it says that after our withdrawal, we cannot use air power or anything else anymore.

Now, if that is true, we have no negotiation.

The main thing is, Henry, though, you've got to keep, at that point, on the prisoner issue.

That's the only thing people give a shit about negotiating on.

After withdrawal, everybody knows that you've got to have some way to get those guys out of there, and what you've got left is you're gone, except their power.

No.

I don't think we can.

Well, if we can hold it, not.

We don't want any cut money, but I don't know whether, you know, I don't know what we can do.

But on the November 15th, when we've just got to consider, well, when you get back in there, we've just got to consider the date of that announcement, whether we would be better to step it up, do it, say, Monday.

I don't know.

I think it makes it look as if we think he doesn't do it.

No, no, I'm kidding.

I'm getting to the point.

I'm just saying you've got to weigh what the situation is going to be before November 15th if we don't beat it to the punch.

That's what I mean.

If we're going to be a big announcement, I would say never.

The point is, having in mind it's going to be a... On the other hand, the federal government was making it on Monday.

They didn't get a chance to attack it before they passed the continuing resolution.

Well, one has to weigh in how much they will pass, then they will have it.

Well, my lean, I still lean to the 15th, but my point, you see what I mean?

You're watching the editorials and the rest to see what they're built up.

My feeling is that we're best to let the continuing rhetoric resolution pass first.

That's right.

In fact, we can do it any day.

Any day after this.

Do it Saturday.

I agree.

I see.

There's no magic about the 15.

It's the only ginger to lose fast on Monday.

I would think, for France, that it would be Frank.

It's that.

I agree.

That's what's on the table.

You know, from an aesthetic point of view, it's best to close it to the 20th.

But that, that we can handle.

That's not a measure.

No, no.

That's what we...

Okay.

Well, sit on that, son of a bitch, Smith.

All right.

You can't throw in the wrong degree.

I must say though, it is difficult.

It is difficult with Rodney.

He's always, he really is slippery.

I mean, not slippery, he'll do what he's told, but he fights like hell, Bob, for positions that he can take.

And he's exactly right.

You couldn't possibly concede on that.

The rate will be so that everybody will figure out, all Americans will be off by the end of August.

Not a hell of a lot to argue about, is it?

Are you going to be the end of August or the end of May?

Well, the thing, the press will still come out looking, the line that seems to be developing now is that you're going to be, that you will go down to a residual force of 40,000 by the 1st of July.

Well, if you repeat that, that's exactly what you're at.

Because that's seven months, 140,000 down to the 108,000, so that's 40,000 lines.

And July and August would be two more months, at 20,000 a month, we could get you down to zero, it would be less.

But I think this is the way, rather than throwing, we can't, we cannot throw the first final loss, not anyway.

I've got rogers on board on that, because I've told you that before.

We've got to throw on the 20th.

Hell yeah, it's going to be cold.

And if you're right there, just told me.

But I said, on the 7th or 8th, I said, we're going to make a two-month announcement.

And Roger sees the benefit.

He says, I'm getting two bites of the apple.

He says, maybe it's just better to make your final announcement in January.

He was getting to it at the State of the Union.

The point is, of course, I don't think doing that at the State of the Union

which is a good idea, I envision it.

I think the thing to do is to do the state of the union in a way, and it's another, I would do it a second way.

I think we could do, at the end of the war, it should be a totally separate, a natural rights only on itself, and has a good, clean period to get it.

And then I'm sure convince Bob with our thoughts with regard to the domestic,

The way you have to do it, you have to break the leaders down.

The Savior doesn't have much say.

He doesn't give a truth.

He doesn't give an answer.

He doesn't squeal about nothing.

Oh, shit.

Because they're not supposed to be there.

No, they're not.

You're right.

You don't need them to accept you when they come to you.

Instead, you need your report to them with no point on your saying anything to them.

You're sure right.

You're going to frankly make a mistake if you open up a colony rather than a college economy.

The thing to do would be to release the statement, but not before.

Bargain and let it leak.

But then they couldn't say that if you went on the area, the people before you, I went to the Congress, I would give it to the Congress.

I would dare to put that down.

It's a very good suggestion.

I would get out a full draft, and I'd give it out an hour before.

Then all of them will have had it an hour before, you know.

That's a very good idea to say, here's an hour before.

Jeff gives him a chance to knock on Mary's commentary, but that's all right.

We're going to do it anyway.

You're going to do it.

Partial announcement now.

My expectation is a partial announcement in January, which is also good.

It's going to be filled out.

We've got, this is a progress report.

We have another progress report in January.

I'll tell Scallop that that's what it is.

That's the, that we give everyone a new report every two months.

Look at that.

The whole thing will be that we have another progress report in January and things like that.

Right now, the best way to do this, they have to figure it out.

Whether I want to do it in the office or in the press.

Because I've got to go on.

I've got to meet the press a few days after this.

I've got to get them questions.

It may be, I don't know.

I don't know whether we want to press to interpret the $40,000 or need to try to interpret the $40,000.

But he can force them to by not.

By not interpreting it.

He said, let them ask the questions if you just say it.

What I've said is we'll take out 20,000 funds for the next few months.

And I will then report it in January.

So we'll move it to another rail control, and then I'll move it back.

It's really better for me to do that.

We're just consistent with our pattern.

We have done this over varying lengths of time, consistent with what the situation is in Vietnam.

Because I could go in and just lay on this.

That way I would go in and say we're very low key.

I'm just going straight down the line.

I could say we'll be arranging this to 25,000 employees will be off by Christmas.

and I will make another announcement in January, depending on the situation, and I will make another report in January.

Larry said yesterday we were already 9,000.

It's fine.

At this point, folks, let me say that at this point, it's fine.

We don't need to hold that down.

They're all, the military is finally determined that they can't fight the war.

Whatever it was, maybe it was four, maybe it was two.

But as far as I'm concerned, they're going to be 14.

It doesn't make any difference.

I mean, it's the caddying story is getting much, much obvious.

It's known because it's, it's a blip.

It isn't, well, because it's gone now.

There aren't any caddies in the back.

But the, I don't believe that the, that Colston's reporting as the fourth ward.

It's all that bad.

I don't think that's surprising.

I don't go out and urge support of the war, but I think his point was that there's support of the president on the war.

Oh, but we know that.

Because that's what, that January does that, that hopefully, and that's, in effect, if you declare the end of the war, then they quit talking about it.

Oh, yes, we declare the end of the war.

And that's the way I expect it to run.

And thank the American people for this important thing.

And there's hope that that war

We're going to China, we're going to Russia.

You must not let this happen again.

And we're working toward that.

Be very brief.

15 minutes.

Good thought.

Absolutely.

He wants to have a filing.

But he doesn't know we're not having a filing.

Now, what he's saying on the next truth-withdrawal statement is, I'm trying to say it in a different way, that you ought to go beyond Indochina and leave Vietnam into the big picture.

Right.

Referred to Moscow, he came and displayed and did both.

And then he says, take one of your half of the impressive oral diplomatic tours of the world.

In other words, do a, out of a quick...

Here's how you bring the whole world's stability together and tie the whole thing in, which then shows you doing what the other candidates could never do.

You're acting towards the goal of peacemaking the world.

And if you knock down far-out speculation on China and Russia at the same time by saying diplomacy is a slow process, the public shouldn't think these trips are going to resolve all the different rights.

So that memorandum, I don't know what you're asking me to do.

This fits January, though, not November.

He wrote it for November, but it's January.

Well, it shows that he's writing it, though, that a lot of people are expecting the final announcement.

I'm not sure, though, that that's going to happen.

No, he doesn't expect the final announcement, because he's saying, let's do something about knocking down probably their expectations, too.

Start closing some pessimistic stories.

Well, can we start that a little?

Yeah.

Once you've compiled a story, we may have to read this through.

No, no, that might hurt the public.

Just let it ride.

I think you just gotta leave it.

We just gotta screw the... You're not being over-anticipated, really, because the line they're focusing on now is that you're gonna, in some way, you're gonna announce that you're going down to this 40,000 residual troop by July.

And that's precisely what you're saying.

If you extrapolate the amount that...

And the indication is, as you always have, that you'll escalate.

You've always come up with a greater monthly rate than earlier.

And this is in that period.

You're going from $15,000 to $20,000.

$14,000.

$14,000 to $400,000.

$20,000.

So that's...

My name is everybody else.

Everybody out by the first of September, which is pretty goddamn good.

If you took everything to continue to travel, I've been having a residual expense of 40% increase in the monthly withdrawal rate.

Oh, the big step up in withdrawal.

The speed of withdrawal.

Travel with no casualties, just because.

Retrieval of that also meant no U.S. involvement.

In January, we almost also announced the next draft lease.

Yeah.

Which is dramatic.

Although that's like a hell of a lot of difference at that point.

Well, that's... Just saying.

It's going to be hard to force that non-writer story.

Yeah.

Well, the point is, the point is, people will not be talking about it.

You're still drafting, aren't you?

You're not.

No, it's good.

You have to start drafting, but you don't have to take the end of draftees to Vietnam.

I mean, you can take some of the scare on that, but you've got to face that sometime within a few months anyway.

I think it might be a little out of the way in January.

But Bill's going to see that having had the January

just as well to have that as something to say in January rather than just be talking about Howard and the value-added tax.

You know what I mean?

No question.

The more you draw it out, the better.

Your timing then is beautiful, because in that January, when China in February fills up to Russia,

After the face-off with China in March, it goes up to Russia in April, Russia in May.

And there you are.

Some of this other content.

You had said you didn't want to do any other travel.

I don't think it's good to.

Well, particularly if we can justify it on the basis of talking to our allies.

If we go to Japan and see Sato, and go down to Australia, and see the U.S. and O.C.

left in New Zealand too, and come back every other day, and come back to Australia every day, that's not bad.

You haven't done that.

I've never been.

And then come back.

And then you're stuck with the Canadian men for a day, but that's not bad either.

And then the Latin American thing, and then you really...

You start tying the string, you're playing your global role.

In Europe, that's, well, European, that's what I'm gonna do.

I'm gonna take a lot of time, I'm gonna be separate.

And that's how I'm gonna do it.

The previous director's been working on this, to have a separate, long-term relationship with Iran, which will force a separate meeting in Kiev.

And we'll have to do it in different places, outside of each country.

to do all of them and think of like, yes, I can't go to Europe if I'm going to NATO.

I think it's gonna be on or something, but what the hell do you think of the German point?

What about inviting him here?

I thought maybe that would be the same, which might be good for him.

Or send plenty of people in.

I don't know.

We have too many friends.

You either have to bite the same bunch that we've already done, and that makes the people who you didn't bite before, where you bite into the back, and that leaves out the obvious people.

It makes that happen.

How about having a real big one, so you can cut it, and the other bugger down is going to come back and cut it?

We did that for the astronauts.

The bigger it is, the more trouble you can get into it.

I'm not thinking bigger than 5,000.

You could do a statement or down there.

My God, I think we could get away with that, because you don't have that many friends.

I don't have any.

You could bring people in from other parts, from around the South and that sort of thing.

You know, Miami might be a good idea.

We ought to give Florida something.

What happens to the Jews, to the Germans?

Oh, shit, they're all the way.

The Russians screw the Jews.

But I think if you can get there, Florida, Florida, it would be great to come.

You can have a hell of a fine steak dinner there.

That's a good idea.

Can I do a California idea?

Oh, we've done California.

Can we just get our head in the air?

Operator, the new mayor of San Diego, Peter Wilson, who was elected last night, he's getting in San Diego.

He won by $115,000 to $71,000, saying shit, smashing what he expected to win.

Yeah.

See, he led all the candidates in the primary.

Huh?

He was the leader in the primary.

I know, but the other guy was probably a Democrat when he came down.

One thing you might mention, he had 20 debates with his principal at the moment.

Despite the fact that he was ahead, Mitch said it's kind of like your thing with Lori.

Mm-hmm.

And after that, of course, Mitch must be happier to find out who he is.

Mm-hmm.

I have a feeling that could mean Pennsylvania if we handle it right.

I agree with that.

That's why.

You know about Rosa's conversation with Ann Kirk, don't you?

Ann Kirk says that she knows Rizzo's with us and I'm going to keep him running through that office.

That'll be a long job for Rizzo.

It was the work of that day.

I'm going to go all the way to Rizzo.

And in Ohio, in Ohio, keeping the keys.

What would be on Rizzo to make his job more in Pennsylvania because you can buy Pennsylvania out of him?

Well, he's got the money to do it.

Make that note to him.

And that's, Rizzo would be the key to his carrying Philadelphia.

Have Mitchell talk to Hanford about that.

He'd take responsibility for Pennsylvania.

Now, incidentally, we've got to give Rockefeller responsibility for New York, too.

And with Rockefeller, it's a straight-out deal.

If he carries this thing, he just can't help it.

We're not going to go through his jazz before, like we gave Wolfie and Ronald, the two losers, the two states we didn't carry.

They didn't lose it, but we lost it.

But if they're pushing to give him capital, it's silly, isn't it?

Hey, Robin.

I'll read it to you next time.

I broke your foot.

I don't know.

It was a gracious gesture.

What?

Gracious gesture.

This is what we were indulging in at that time.

You discussed with me the idea with Henry right away that I'd like to be the stick pinner for Brown in Miami.

You know what I've done before the end of the year?

These be one day kind of thing.

Today, they would come over, we would have a call, have dinner, and I'd see you the next day.

Today, there's this new case.

I was in that parade, and I'd like to do that, and what Henry knows about that.

There, he was a citizen, and I told him, I told him I was a citizen, and I told him, I told him,

Making it up here, if it's done, you say it again.

I'm engaged in a minor ploy here that I hope will meet with Europe a little good.

The Roger Johnson thing here has not worked out at all.

It was a mistake.

He did the wrong thing.

He has spent so long just doing that, you know,

hand-holding type stuff.

He just isn't buffed up enough to do anything else.

And there isn't that much that you can do with that here because most people want to talk to a guy who's a step subsistence.

They don't want to talk to a hand-holding.

So what we're trying to do is move him over to the protocol office.

which he would be baptized in with what he is able to do.

And not cheat with protocol.

No, sir.

No.

Just as a man, division head thing.

What else has got to go up to Camp David?

Go up and take care of my personal representative.

Put it on the basis that he'd be my personal representative in the protocol office.

Do it.

I understand.

I just think it's really better.

It is fair to him.

He's enough.

That's fine.

I understand the problem.

I will tell them that we're going to have a number of states and their types of things.

It does require a great deal in this field where somebody that's known to be close to the president will take them to Camp David.

He'd be the perfect guy to go to Camp David.

Sure.

And better than a guy like Kodas.

Kodas is great at managing them.

No, but he's not my... Kodas is not a person.

He's not old enough.

He's not a personal friend of yours.

Johnson's been talking about being able to do things like that.

Yeah.

And also what I would do, then I would include them.

I would elevate it just a little to include them as well as the mosque.

Just say that that's what we want.

That you've got this choice.

Okay, good.

I've got another thought.

If Pat would like it, which would be, I don't know, he might have said, if he'd like to accomplish this before her trip to the library and have the Johnsons in her library and then, or protocols, would that be all right?

I don't know where they would be.

Why don't we just go?

One of the things that he sees, that Buzz sees Johnson being good at doing, perhaps, is...

going with presidential delegations.

In other words, the protocol office has to send.

I like going to Los Angeles with Tito.

Well, or even not just with... Oh, the broad.

Yeah, like when Fitch goes to South America.

Well, why don't we get him ready for that?

That kind of thing.

Why don't we shift him into that right away?

They've got a guy assigned to that.

He is a great follow.

Roger's awfully good on that phone.

He's a wonderful guy to sit around, drink with, and talk to.

He has the things that a lot of our guys don't have, and that he takes time.

He's nice to people, but our guys are all trying to get things done.

Would you see if I heard him go ahead and come up to my door?

There you go.

.

Were you able to get a hold of Julie and talk to her?

I had a long talk with her yesterday.

Did it work out?

Had she not seen this thing?

There is a misunderstanding.

There is a malfunction in the operation.

So I don't think, Julie, you see it's not like that.

half a bitch, you know, because... No, Julie's right.

But Julie said that she didn't give her the invitation, and I just don't think she...

When I went over the other day to meet with Julie, she had some dissatisfaction.

I remember you told me you had some dissatisfaction.

I was frankly, I thought I was quite surprised.

I was surprised to talk to Julie because she had been pleased with the meeting.

She had looked great and so forth.

And I was pretty surprised when I heard this.

Well, what I'm doing now, this is going to break some China.

Life is full of broken China.

What I'm doing now is moving in on it.

I talked to Julie, and she says, I don't have her permission.

Julie says, I don't have confidence in Carl Schmitt.

That's the girl, and she's been working on it.

And so I've done some checking now, and I find that Carl Schmitt is more the band.

So there is a problem.

So Julie raised a lot of questions.

She came back, you know, two months later, and there was nothing for her to do except this one event in Illinois that she had come up with herself.

Now, there's a whole stack of other things that we had submitted to Carl Schmitt.

Part of it,

And I'm going to get cross-wise with Pat on this, but just let me get cross-wise with her once.

Well, I don't like you.

That's all right.

She got into this, and she shot some of these things down.

But Julie wanted them shot down.

No, Julie wants to do them.

Julie says to me, don't go through Mother first.

Get Pat and Heather set up so this stuff comes to me and let me work on it.

So what I'm going to do is take it out of Connie Stewart's office.

I'm going to put hard guys on it.

I'm going to work directly and shoot the stuff to Julie.

You know, the thing is, Julie made a very important point.

She answered up, hey, go with her mother to Africa, which might be good idea.

That'll have some money on the border.

Because Julie, you know the real tragedy in this thing.

Patricia was born in Dan.

She lived here, she was good, she was good.

Julie didn't actually watch the other day.

She said, you know, she said to some other judge, she says, I just wish I could come with you.

I thought her mother's schedule.

God damn, she's so smart, so bucked down.

Don't you agree?

No question.

And she knows exactly what to do.

What she said is exactly right.

She said, you know, why can't we get Don Hewitt to come down and film the diplomatic children's Christmas party and get a TV special on?

Well, that's a hell of a good idea.

Now, she misunderstands something.

She says, why didn't we get him to do television, film on the Halloween party, what we did?

That's scary.

Yes, that's very good.

That's scary.

Yeah, she criticized me.

I know, well, her mother told me.

She didn't know about that.

But Julie, she said, now look, there must be things I can do on a low-key basis here.

I don't have to do everything on a stage.

She told me she liked to go to Tennessee or Carolina and so forth.

Yeah.

Hello?

I bet I got you out of bed.

I know.

Well, anyway, it was a great victory, Pete.

A great victory.

And I'm just thinking here, I'm sitting here talking to John Ehrlichman, with whom you'll be working.

You know, he's head of the domestic council.

I hope can help San Diego when you need it.

And just Bob Alderman and Bob Finch, we just think it's great.

And I, you know, you've got, we had some very good ones yesterday.

We, Lugar, who I don't know whether you know, in Annapolis, was re-elected in the landslide.

And Kirk came through in Cleveland, or as good as we saw a Republican up there.

So, and Rizzo in Philadelphia.

His, probably the Democrat, is a,

very much oriented our way so we really feel that uh really really feel this is great and particularly with the convention coming it's just marvelous to have our own republican mayor i know you're not part of it but you need republicans how do you feel how do you feel you must feel pretty good or awful tired

Yeah.

But did you win by more than you expected?

Yeah.

You beat Luke, he only got 62%.

He thought that was good.

Yeah.

Cleveland, I guess the black-white issue there.

But it's good, Cleveland needs a good mayor.

It's perfectly good.

But I get told that if we do the best, and you see the press, tell them that I called, and he's like, you know, it's not a nonpartisan basis, and we want to cooperate with San Diego, and it's a problem, and that's the council, and all that kind of thing.

Okay.

Fine.

Good.

I guess that's a long time since you did that first advance in 62, and you started out in the politics.

Cut open.

I don't know if you're gonna get fired.

I just want you to win.

Okay.

Got it.

Well, that's good.

Do you want to give up?

Yeah.

Oh.

That's the best thing you can do when they ask you to talk about wanting to love you.

I called her.

You're called him the second time around.

And you should call Rizzo the second time.

Say the president asked if you'd call, would you want to start a communication?

We want to send a man up to talk to her and push her, you know, to work.

I mean, I don't know if we want to go all out on revenue sharing.

There's still questions.

Not that we want his help on it, but we do want, you know, we've never heard of that.

We want to tie in very close to the result, as close as we can to the person.

I think the person will be all right.

He's a freedom fighter, you know.

You don't hear too many eyes.

That is the devil.

The black one there.

Yeah, I know that.

Yeah.

Oh.

Yeah.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Oh.

How's it going?

Yeah, yeah, I'll call her.

I called Rizzo, but Rosie called Amber.

She said I didn't need you to call her.

Rizzo then called the ambassador and he reacted to my call.

He was so thrilled with it, he needed a whole conversation.

You see, John, I know how your people are.

I mean, when I say your people, our people in this field, they were pulling for Longstreet because he was working the black and poor and young.

They were pulling for the Negro in Cleveland because he was working the black and poor and young.

This proves very much that in two key cities, it's Cleveland that could make the difference between winning Ohio or not.

We won't lose Cleveland by as much.

Philadelphia, at least me.

Pete Rizzo in line, the ambassador, and he's got a lock on him, I think.

But in any event, it does mean that we will not lose Philadelphia by 330,000 votes again.

If you lose Philadelphia by only 200,000 votes, you carry nothing ahead.

Now, this is a very important thing, so shake our people up on it.

Say, now, don't go around crying in tears because, you know what I mean, if you have a problem.

I don't have a problem.

You don't have a problem.

I know.

You said goodbye to my last liberal every day.

Oh, right, yeah.

Yeah.

Well, we made him feel good.

Oh, yeah, you feel great.

You gave him that, you know, you know, real something.

All right.

I see where you're going.

You're down to the pretty sun.

That whole, that whole crowd is gone now.

But I think it's very important for you to follow up with these doctors.

And I think, I think it even would be Wilson on that.

It's weird.

You know, you didn't call and say, well, I do that for a long time.

I don't know how it is.

And I knew it, so you asked me to.

And you can go with old Lugar.

All right.

He got to meet Lugar, the first guy I ever heard, we ever did it before.

He said, well, he said, we did well in the Negro districts, the Jewish districts.

He had a respect there and all of them.

And he said, you know, he was very, you know, very helpful.

He had all the closest application to the president.

He wrapped you right around.

Did he wrap you around?

Absolutely.

And it's been carried that way.

The election results last night on COVID.

Identify him as your mayor.

That's one of his principal stocks.

He has gotten the right.

We have got to have him now.

He has got to be the man to be by.

There's no question about it.

He's a first class man.

He's one of the few men that I've seen at the mayoralty level who could have a name.

But he's very ambitious, and I think we'll be ready to go whenever he wanted to now.

He had to have this.

He won very early last night.

He had to have this in order to get it.

This was an amazing win.

He got them almost two to one.

And it was 62%.

Of course, this was his strategy to bring those suburbs into the city.

Yeah, to get it to go down.

When you talked to him, Tom, I was glad to see his strategy win.

I'm glad to see that kind of progressive follow-up that he's kept over there.

And tell him that I think that he, he's still chairman of the council or something.

No, he's passed.

Tell him that I think he ought to call Perk.

And that he's known that he's been in the White House many times.

He and the president have talked.

He can just, you know, do his little poetic justice.

Call Perk.

I'll call the others and say, I just look forward to working with you as a mayor.

See?

There's one thing I do want you to, you may have gotten the word already, great.

Jerry Ford says that there's just a good judge, Republican, of course, in Grand Rapids, that he's ordered a de facto busing situation for, in Grand Rapids, of all places.

And, and, and,

And Jerry says, if only, he says, the Attorney General could intervene on the side and say, this goes beyond the Supreme Court.

He says, win, lose, or draw.

He says, we don't have a hell of an effective mission.

Now, if you think I need to call the Attorney General, and I will, let me find out.

But let me say, let me say, don't hesitate to do it.

I don't think this runs crosswise in the Martin operation.

due to the fact that this is the North, that it's not New Jersey.

What do you think?

And now, God damn it, they back to New Jersey.

Have we intervened yet at any of these on the side against busing oil?

Yes, indeed.

Corpus Christi, not in the North, but Corpus Christi we did over everybody's dead body.

It was good to do the work.

Tell C we did a little to somebody's dead body.

And, uh, uh, actually wanted me to get a wheel.

All right?

Because he's now got the search on the numbers.

That's, uh, don't you like the idea?

Oh, I think that's great if we could do it.

I don't know if I've met the president about this.

Well, very important.

I told him about it.

Well, Kevin will probably know about it.

But I'd like to have him.

You know, he's really thrilled there.

He'll be acting fast on it.

All right.

and just get going on.

That sort of thing, that's action on the Mustang thing.

And then we could say, we intervened in Corpus Christi against Mustang, we intervened in Tennessee against Mustang, we've now intervened in Grand Rapids against Mustang.

And I would get that across this country, the whole of Canada.

Because I am convinced that despite the movement, the House is going to come today and mark today,

Will there be a vote on the amendment specifically?

Yes, there will.

If it were successful, that's our strategy.

Now, the Democrats are going to try and mask it, if possible, to avoid an underground vote on busing as such.

There's also somebody who put in a very, very neighborhood school amendment.

Good.

Notwithstanding this act or any other previous act of Congress, children shall not be required to go to schools outside their neighborhood.

No, no, no.

Don't oppose it.

Oh, no.

Don't oppose it.

And they're going to try and force an up or down record vote.

Albert is desperately trying to avoid it.

Well, John, it's a funny thing about issues.

I agree with the idea that there's an issue and so forth in terms of a gut issue.

This make or break a man, the other.

But I thought you'd get a little kick.

I was sitting down to a grand party.

I'll get right on that.

A federal judge.

His father was Al Engle, a sweet guy who lived in Michigan, who died, a former congressman, chairman of the Appropriations Committee.

Al, and we put him in as one of the, well, it's nobody's fault.

They put him in because of Al, and made him a judge.

His son is the son of the other guy, and the guy is a goddamn fool.

Did he say anything to you about Davis, about Davis?

I don't think so.

Apparently not.

Jerry and, I don't know, Jerry and Wes would very much like to make this happen.

the only thing is dragging his feet because you want to hit the bar again uh i don't know excellence i don't know whether this is his one to do that or not i really don't know about this one but i do know that ford was going to hit you the first time i'm sorry let me say that i have the greatest confidence in davis he's a decent man he's an honest man he's smart and tough as hell he would make a good judge

Now, that's the way I feel about it.

And also, these are very intimate, personal friends.

Now, the latter should not enter, but you don't know.

I actually did one friend, for Christ's sake.

He's passed the bar.

He had a good record.

One of the ten gentlemen here in 1947.

He's not dead as well.

It's a continuing property potential stonewall.

And they were going to try to come to you on it.

How do you feel that Eric's going to go out and start opposing this one?

I think Randy Quist will do pretty well.

Isn't that something?

They've got a whole herd of press men out there already.

No, no, no.

But apparently they couldn't find anything on him because he's been forced down.

What did they, except that they said that he was, that people had very violent feelings about his day conservative, is that correct?

He has opposed open housing, he's opposed... Good argument.

not because of anything about it except his philosophy.

I think that's a great position to have.

That's right.

But they'll take Douglas.

They'll take Frank.

They'll take Goldberg, a labor leader.

Now, for Christ's sake, if we're going to get the philosophy, then we ain't going to get no judges.

Well, this makes a very tough dilemma for an outfit.

Did you see that column?

A letter from the American Bar Association to President John Adams?

I think, yeah, there was that picture with that outfitter.

That paper was funny.

Was it?

Yeah.

Pretty funny about job marketing.

Yeah, yeah.

At least when you have pitch money.

Yeah.

As far as this evening, you must not avoid this.

It's an unqualified event.

This is being put on.

Well, I don't think, I think Rehnquist will wear it very well.

Rehnquist, I think he'll, he'll definitely wear well there.

He'll be a fine guy.

Oh, and if he's going to end up on our side or not, Rehnquist is basically, he's a devoted to the law.

Don't you agree, sir?

He will be a conservative.

We can be proud of him.

I'm not a conservative.

That's interesting.

I'm getting a fair amount of mail from Stanford Rehnquist.

their support, who you are supporting, and who, many of whom are liberals.

Of course.

And, uh... Our anti-Stanford drive is not liberal, except my question.

Oh, I... Go ahead.

I'll leave that bill.

Uh...

And so what we've done is to try to turn on the Stanford alumni organization, make some selective calls, and get some of these guys to either write or... Well, if you get them to deem, associate a deem for the broadcast and product work or something like that.

That's great.

Arizona ACOB.

Yeah.

So we'll read you.

Yeah.

It gets me from part to part.

All right.

Well, I'm going to read that.

Yeah.

That came out for him, and then he tried to get away.

The state NAACP organization came out against him and said, this guy in Phoenix was badgered and victimized by the Red Cross on a civil rights issue.

And the guy said, no, that isn't the way it was at all.

He said he was very fair, he was very temperate.

We had a good discussion and a disagreement on the law and the issues.

And he said, I'm concerned to be a gentleman.

So it was a net plus.

You know, there's one loss here.

Renfrews could have done the AG thing.

Couldn't have run it.

Well, what I meant is it would have been awful damn hard.

He wouldn't have been happy with it.

He wouldn't have worn more with you on a continuing basis.

You've got a candidate for A. Jesus.

Well, I have my own candidate, but I'm not going to mention him for a while.

What's that food?

Wine burger.

Great.

He calls Bubbles Sweet to remind me that essentially he's going to be leading the rebel campaign, you know.

Well... That wouldn't be too bad.

Yeah, it's good.

That wouldn't be too bad.

You can get him confirmed.

That would vindicate Kemp forever, you know.

Well, I mean, he really made it in elections very, very zero.

That won't be too bad now.

He's a Jew.

Oh, that would be delicious.

And we know he played with us politically.

Dan Wright.

You'd be late for writing.

You'd be late for your job, politically.

Well, not on, not on busking at all.

Oh, yes.

Yes, I think he would.

Really, I think, with a little guidance.

Once he knows, once he knows where you want to be, Jeremy, he will, he will outdo you on some of these things.

All right, what do you then do?

What do you then do, or what, what do you really do with, uh, frankly, with a great loyalist, uh, one of these men?

Weinberger, of course, has marvelous credentials.

He's a recognized leader in the San Francisco Bar, state legislator, candidate for the state of America, columnist.

Named the most outstanding state legislator by the California Press Club.

He's got a hell of a record.

Nice piece of, could be, well, if I like the idea.

For two reasons, he would give his left one, probably his right one, to get out of the budget director sometimes.

That probably should be out instead of two times.

But, nevertheless, getting the line perfect.

I took his left one and gave it all.

They're both in the Reagan apparatus.

You know, they both were in Reagan.

And I think they were 31.

What in the name of God, what would you do?

That's my real problem.

You think you can judge?

Why would you judge?

It's a shame to wish.

I don't, I don't do that.

I'm a man.

He had fine senators.

They were fine senators, right?

Bastards.

What about fine dollars loaded into Congress?

Doesn't sell?

Doesn't sell.

You gotta have a bar.

Yeah, I know.

I tell you, I tell you where he would be a hell of a man.

He'd be a hell of a man sitting here in the White House.

He'd be a good man to have around, you know.

He's upbeat, a fighter, and so forth and so on.

And he'd be the White House political man.

The words of Mitchell.

You see what I mean?

Because Mitchell doesn't hit it off the coast.

Neither does Clint East.

In fact, that's one of the basic sources of our initial problem with the coast, is Clint East.

Clint East is a passionate leader that burns with a bright movement.

Why did that happen?

I don't know, but it's legal life.

That may be why.

The White House won't do that because the coast has done a good job for us.

We just can't put oil with water.

I wonder if he could go, I wonder if he could go to John's number one man.

That's where I'd like to see him.

Does John need somebody to run that campaign?

Incidentally, I am going to, uh, suggest, let me, if you get John from, you talk to him, and say that this weekend, uh, it's May, I'll go either to Florida or to Camp David on Friday.

And, uh, I would like for John to go home and stay.

Do you understand?

That's just the evidence.

Pat's tied up over the weekend, and I'd like to have him as a good chance to sort of relax and talk.

If I could go to Florida, I'd refer to him, because I really need a couple of days this time.

and five, six weeks down the road.

Nobody cancels without hunting again.

But on the other hand, on the other hand, I have never thought of Wilson potentially before due to the fact that we have to buy Martha with him.

And you know, she is a hell of a problem.

But do you think Jonathan can go without his wife?

Or maybe he has to take his wife.

I could have him over.

Maybe that, maybe, maybe that would help with John's problem.

We've got to help him.

Let's put a goddamn pool on him.

And then you can go down and then, I thought that was, she's not going.

She told me last night.

She's good.

I mean, she's got other things to do and it's just fine.

Julie can't go.

The weekend is clear for me, which is good.

Why don't you call Mitchell and he'll come in standing and ask if he can hold the possibility of going before Saturday.

Why don't I tell him?

Why don't I tell him Pat's not going?

No.

No?

Mm-hmm.

She could...

that that's not going, and that if you want to bring... See, he loves that house.

And you can have the big house available for you if you want to bring Martin Luther, the president, however you'd like to, so that he could have a chance.

He really needs some time off, but he'd like a chance to sit down and talk a little politics.

It was a year before they let down the election, the election, November 2nd.

November 7th.

You can tell right now.

You can tell.

I'm talking to him.

I don't want to do it or not.

I don't want to.

The thing should not give any encouragement, in my opinion, to them.

black beyond the core.

What do you think?

What do you part of it?

I don't see any.

Where did they get one?

I don't see any.

I believe they did.

But that wasn't a fair, that wasn't a fair fight.

She never got going.

And there was no issue at the time.

I must say that the others, Rizzo, heard of these things.

They heard of these things.

You don't know him?

I don't know him, but I did the issues up there.

I knew Stokes was doing it.

He was all on it.

He was really good at it.

He was right on the line.

What do you mean?

On the line.

He said this was going to be the start of a national black coalition.

Well, maybe that's bad for us, and maybe we would like to have that coalition, but... Well, our evening would end up...

It would end up in the Democratic Party, and we're sure of it.

Blacks know their state and everybody from the Democrat side just can't afford to let people

They'll offer everything.

On the other hand, it has a problem for the Democrats.

It'll pull them to the left on busing.

Don't you think so, John?

They'll have to go, they'll have to go with the blacks on busting to keep them in the party.

And the blacks are against busting.

Not those blacks.

That's right.

See, that's what I meant, Bob.

In order to avoid the fourth party, they'll have to be the fourth party blacks or poor busting.

I would think so.

And those are the black coalition.

They're not blacks.

I'm sorry, buddy.

Uh, President, uh, hopefully he's going to be able to work it out.

We've been out in the forest this weekend and wondered if you could hold the time and, uh, find a come down for him.

Uh, they...

Okay, well, he can just, you know, give you a chance to call him to be down through Monday so maybe he can come down afterwards.

That might be a good idea.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, well let me check back with you when we find out what the plan for Egypt is.

He was just trying to lay out his mental plan for the weekend.

That might work out very well.

Good.

Okay.

Dinner Saturday night in Michigan with Griffin and Smootman and Griffin.

Is that a driven message that would come up for that show?

Yeah.

Michigan would have, I mean, Mitchell would have been in Michigan earlier.

But what are you saying?

So you come down after the dinner, Saturday night or Sunday morning?

Would that be bad?

That would give you... Mitchell, please.

before he goes to Michigan to announce the intervention in that Grand Rapids case, it'd be fantastic.

You must not do it back to speak, but he should announce it while he's there and tell him, what do you think?

That's a live issue.

Before he goes, then I don't know.

He's not getting their stack.

His brother won't go.

Yeah, he won't.

That makes sense.

He doesn't come down Sunday because he flies out and he won't fly.

Then he can come down for a mission, come down Sunday and be there Sunday or Monday.

Hello.

Jeremy Forge talked to me about a Grand Rapids case.

The case involved a, involved a Republican judge, I don't know what it was, but

Now, let me ask this.

Jerry, of course, appeals to the vote.

Actually, there are many more in terms of Griffith.

And of course, you know, they've got that recall on the part.

And if this could be one of those cases where you could see way clear who they were meeting, you know, let's say it was both John and the Supreme Court, and it was one of the, I think it was Texas, Tennessee, and it converted me into the president.

I don't know if you could do that, but they can't do it just before

but I don't know.

Oh, you have, okay.

Right.

Well, if you'd let Jerry know that I talked to you about it, he was there to see me yesterday, I told him I would mention it to you, and so if you would tell him I talked to him about it, and in any event, it ain't just

Put all the goddamn rhetoric that you can if you're up there.

Put the media on the side against busting.

I know that it breaks your heart to do that, but please do it.

Yeah, I was pleased that the mayoral erases weren't true.

We got Rizzo, which is the one we wanted, right?

Don't you agree?

And Cleveland is attractive.

Yeah, yeah, 62%.

We got San Diego, you know.

Yeah, John Wilson won 63% of the vote.

So, I expected that.

I know Louie felt that he was winning all that sort of thing.

But, at the local, the state felt that Kentucky was winning for government.

and they're just always in touch, you know, about every 20 years.

And I, I don't know, I deal with, of course, with when there were local issues, and there were also, you know, presidential men and women, and so forth.

But, what?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, too.

Well, that's good.

In an off year, that's just very good.

You lost some senators, including the old half.

You can't steal them, though.

Well, certainly, I noticed that in the time that the Post tried to put in, it was good that we were demanding a referendum on the nation's economic policy.

How in the Christ can that be in Essex County?

Huh?

Yeah.

I have called, uh, I don't know the names of the people I've called, but there's a little one I've called, Kurt, is the one I've called.

Uh, I don't know if you've heard of him, but he's not the one I've called.

And, uh, he's not the one I've called.

And, uh, there's a little one I've called, Wanda Wilson.

So, uh, it's good to have him.

And he's not the one I've called.

I don't know the names of the people I've called.

Immediately after I called him, I found this other person, Rose, called in.

I heard her name.

I'm sure she was called up.

Yeah, all right.

Yeah.

Right.

Okay, John.

No, what happened at Pittsburgh?

No, I didn't.

Oh, I know there's a conversation.

Dugan, what was he running for?

He won again.

He's part of our... Good.

Great, great, great.

Okay.

I don't know.

Get Mark to look into it.

I don't know.

It really is.

Listen, Michigan is a long shot for us in any event.

But if you've got a bus in Michigan, and if automobile bills are up, Michigan is not unwinnable.

It's not.

You can just try to live down there.

And housing is also a big one there.

Integrated housing account.

Eric spoke a fair instance.

He was back in Illinois, and he was doing polling out there.

He said the presidential support there was good now.

It was going up very, very good.

He says the vote will be back.

He's about 60 or 70 million short in his budget.

And he doesn't have the guts to cut welfare.

He mentioned the bad quality of state welfare, so he's come to us and wants us to somehow or another agree to a amendment with Percy and Andrews for interim support of state welfare programs.

I argued to it that Rockefeller and Reagan were both having success in lowering the welfare

He's supposed to be doing the same thing he told me.

He said, well, he said, that just won't, that just won't fly.

I said, all right.

He said, it's going to ruin me.

I'm not going to run again if I can't get some federal help.

First thing he did was run.

He can't get reelected.

I was the president.

He said, you just got to come and work for me.

And I said, well, Governor, we're not going to take an amendment on the tax bill.

This is the thing he's calling for.

to put this thing on the back.

Number two, we couldn't take an open-ended commitment on welfare, because it's exactly the contrary of the direction we're trying to go in, which is to take the possible welfare.

The only way we could look at this would be as an amendment to H.R.

1, and that's off in the spring sometime.

He said, well, I'll do it over then.

He said, by March, I'll be finished.

So I said, well, I just don't know what else to suggest.

And he said, well, I'm not really looking for suggestions.

I just want you folks to understand what my problem is and why I'm going to try and mend your tax bill.

I said, well, good luck.

Yeah, it'll be quite a deal.

We're going to go out there with all of you.

and I just can't believe that he can't make the same kind of a tough line out there that he's going to carry the Southside Chicago anyway.

And I'll say that it should be just as popular as it is.

I don't understand the second problem.

Percy probably is.

And Anderson, you see, Percy and Anderson are pushing the same part.

They both, they want the industry

I don't know.

Did you see where one of Lindsey's guys posted?

And he and Lindsey pitched at each other in the newspaper.

His environmental director pitched at him and Lindsey called him up in the newspaper.

And he said, you know, call Rock and Roll and hold it back a little.

I think it might be better to talk to him.

He'll probably call me anyway.

I've got Andrew from high school in Fernland over there.

I probably better get over to talk about social race.

I think there's something in that approach.

Well, it seems to me there is.

we can we can support their legislation and that's really all it costs we don't have to carry the model all right and i think we'll be up there on their side and the pope is coming down next week with his guys and i thought i would serve finesse these calls today and then see if we can cut a deal that he can go to

in the group and say the president's willing to support our legislation provided we get some kind of a, we get some kind of a shake from you all.

Yeah, for Christ's sake, yes.

And that is not just, if you tell them.

Well, then... High school would help a little with their timeline.

Lewis, Lewis.

I trust that you let, I would, I'd be goddamn cold on high school.

But look, we never say anything.

After all, we can't really help the rest of the police, yes.

Yeah, are you going to see that?

I don't think I would.

Well, the nation of sections down here, I do think.

Yeah, John.

I saw him this morning, raised him up.

Okay.

Are you ready to tell them?

How are you?

No, I just said what was there to say.

We've written it.

We're particularly dissatisfied with the details.

Which is how you want to start.

We want that.

Which is how you want to start.

Is there a word back?

Or what is the administration's attitude toward the government?

I said, just every Monday morning.

Said he was explaining to me that they bring them down here because they think it's good to get their nation-section people out into the country.

And I said, you mean you bring them to Washington to get them out into the country?

Have you ever taken them to Nebraska, or Arizona, or?

I didn't know what to do in Nebraska.

But I talked to him about the level of enthusiasm in the press.

You know, when you get into the question of, well, do you feel the press is hostile?

Well, I talked around that a little bit, you know, talking about where they are.

But it also made the point that there's no question about the fact that the press as a whole had more difficulty becoming enthusiastic about this administration than probably any other administration.

Did you hit him on their spring court coverage at all?

I've hit him on the house coverage and building coverage, spring court coverage.

You have no coverage on this issue?

No, I've really stuck it into him on what has happened.

Good.

What has happened to some of the files.

Are you going to have an answer to that?

Well, Kissinger is not up to see them, I don't think.

They're not really...

This is national.

They're supposed to be national.

I thought I would be really wacky on that damn Supreme Court inquiry.

That's what I said.

He said, what did this issue?

I said, well, for one example, it would be vindicated that the statement after the U.N. action was petty.

In other words, I said, now let me just run through what happened.

First of all, the white man's funeral was the same.

The money should be cut.

The meters in the center were the same.

What we were doing is being very candid.

in saying, as the result of those actions, it could dilute, could dilute.

But we were still for it.

Did you point out that they had to cover that?

I pointed out that, and I also said the story was totally void of any mention of the Senate and the Congressional in setting the sentiment.

Well, excuse me.

Good luck.

Be tough on them.

All right.

I'd like to .

I know, you should.

You should, because you've got it here.

I'll go ahead and bring that up and check to see if there's any reaction to the election.

We have not yet.

We've done damn well.

Up to this point, we have not commented at all on the documents.

I'm not inclined to say we have not.

No, well, these are case groups.

They're local.

They're state elections.

They were not national elections.

And I heard we had no comment.

We were glad to see a person see what was held.

I held one of them.

You could say that.

That didn't get you in the business where you're not going to be held in court and see.

That's a mania.

But as far as the others, they're local issues, local elections.

But you know it's quite significant.

The Republican mayor of Cleveland, the Republican mayor of Indianapolis, overwhelmingly re-elected.

The Republican elected in San Diego the first one in 15 years of his life.

Although it's non-partisan in every instance.

And of course the guy in Philadelphia, he's our guy.

Oh shit, we didn't want that long term.

Reshoes for us, I call this one.

It's not a right move though, I just think I know.

But I would say...

If you should, they're going to put it up.

Well, I...

I saw Hines when he came into the office, you know, before, but I'm not going to call him.

Well, I'll stay away from him.

Yeah.

Instead of naming him, you could just say the President has called him, will call him.

Yeah, I'd call him.

I'm sure he'd call him.

Just say the President calls him, accidentally, not with regard to party, but he's conjecturing, you know.

No, no, no, I don't want to get him.

I'm not going to call him.

I'm here to do what I want to do.

I guess he takes the calls.

I don't know.

Then they will be compared to the fact that they put it out.

They put it out.

They put it out, sure.

Some of those that he personally is, just put it back where he takes the calls.

Some of those that he personally is, that's true.

That's the only one that he calls.

Or they don't have that.

Yeah, which is great.

Do you think that's good?

Yes, sir.

That does.

That's right.

The black power.

The black, the young men in court, they didn't work in Philadelphia.

It didn't work in Cleveland.

It didn't work in Indianapolis.

It wasn't a factor in San Diego.

San Diego wasn't a factor.

True.

New Jersey, we held a review out.

We lost three or four senators, but it doesn't do a nice job.

It doesn't do a good job.

But we held them.

They won the election.

They got braved.

I was held in full position.

Yeah, in fact, I didn't get into any of these.

You see, I didn't get into any of these races.

The only one I had a picture taken was mine.

What else?

You got out with this Nixon announcement, didn't you?

That was nice that you did that.

Well done.

He's rolling along with the church.

It's an L.A.

I was telling Henry, don't get, don't get, don't be concerned.

I can take on any, that is something that I've been following.

I don't know how else they've done it.

Don't you agree?

I don't think we should have any concern.

I wouldn't because I've changed my mind.

Yep.

And they don't.

Well, there is.

We're not going to take them on the trip.

That's going to be the greatest spot I'm going to have.

When I pick those 80 names, there will be one myself.

I'm going to check those on the list.

Put in one level so there's no problem.

Plus, you know, not only are you going to check them, but the Chinese are going to check them later.

They want a complete file and background sheet and everything else on each guy.

And they'll decide whether they come.

We're just nominating things.

But you know, Ron, that's a major achievement to get 80.

They were going to go all out and really let us bring the press in at 9.30 p.m. That was their plan.

That was their plan.

When the defense party arrived, they had decided they were going to really be liberal about compressing the press.

But you can point out, this thing, when this announcement finally was made, that you'd be done as well as this.

This is really a very

Significant thing is five times the number they've answered on the other visit.

Of course you won't.

What's that?

CW?

What did they count those?

No, they count cameramen and sound men and lightning.

They don't count the ground crew.

Now, we're not going to be doing a cameraman, a sound man, a lightning through each network.

Let's pull that wrong.

But we've worked out with them.

And the recommendations of the Chinese have included us basically surrounding those.

But the technicians, we've been able to reach 63 ground stations.

That's the ground station.

That's the part that would be done.

But with regard to the, with regard to, say, the reporting from Iran.

We can nominate those, and we can pick them out.

Somebody's got to.

We're not going to, for example, take the New York Times.

We don't have to take Frank Louie.

Can we take Semple?

He hasn't asked.

Or how does it work?

Do we tell a paper they can send somebody, or do we name them?

Well, I'm still thinking that's true.

I want to...

Well, you get it, Bob.

I'm not going to do this.

This isn't a thing where anybody who stands up is entitled to go to.

We have to make nominations to the Chinese.

And then they have the right of approval on that.

Yeah.

We've got to nominate people we can stand by.

People who will not be rivalized.

The Chinese are in a cemented place.

That's right.

I don't suppose any of them will pick up the rather glowing comments that the conservative climate has made last night, will they?

Of course, this one.

I was reading quite often that he was really all out.

I was trying to get a copy of it.

in terms of the world and that sort of thing.

That's done with the Australian press.

Let me ask you another thing.

Did they feel good that we met them all and everything?

Don't you think that?

You don't realize what happens when they walk out of your office.

You know, they're kind of embarrassed.

But they walk out of there and they explode on the Yugoslavia press and say, boy, that is a very good way to do it because it just cuts

It just takes it by total surprise.

The president sitting there, and then they're observing, and then all of a sudden, they're shaking hands with him, right?

And they're stunned.

And also, they don't like the pandemic.

Yes, absolutely.

It's a very, very bad thing.

And they really must do it at the local level.

And both.

At all times.

The other was Martins O'Connor, who was on the track.

And that might be the way to meet the local press from around the country.

It's after the photo opportunity.

Just have them stay and shake hands.

Yeah, wouldn't you like to meet them?

I think we should meet the local press so they can say, well, I've met the president.

They all say that skeptical thing, right?

But they all like to say the thing, right or left.

They really do.

And those Austrians, I think, you know, and they like the little jabber about Melbourne.

They might have some fun they're going to have to come here.

Don't you think?

Yes, sir.

And then they all used to it.

And also, I built a story.

It's all right.

But I built him up, too, like that.

I think it's good.

And the session down.

The other session down, that was very good.

They had walked outside a long time.

Last night, too, in the coast, there was a version there that I said about the coast watchers and so forth.

Did you see that?

The color story, that's nice even for Americans to read.

You can't get from color to state, but it's done.

Now you're going pretty cute again.

The series judgment on this one is bad, bad judgment.

What the hell would you do if you didn't think the press had a point?

What if it's right for you to take a year for the guy that worked for Johnson and Hart?

Oh, yeah, I don't know.

I don't know.

I'm trying to start with a new guy.

In the first place, I don't see how you would improve on that.

No way.

Well, it works for me well, that's the point.

It doesn't get on my nerves.

Well, it does what you want with the press.

Now, what you want may not be exactly what Sirius wants.

And the credibility, you know.

I think Ron has great credibility with us.

I agree.

They don't think he lies.

He's never lying.

They know he doesn't lie.

Huh?

They know he doesn't lie.

They also know that he only tells them what he wants told.

But that's not that easy.

But that's what he's there for.

And that's the thing that's hard for people to understand is that his job is to tell them what he wants told.

Do you mind playing?

It is a helpful session.

We want to respect, we want to lay it out.

We're pretty, we don't want to be losing the advantage of fighting on the ground.

We'll show you what they're doing.

We did the absolute minimum to keep Reagan and others in line on this thing.

So they try to make it out on a steady, angry,

I'm not sure that's bad anyway.

I do.

I mean, I prefer it to the public.

I mean, I do.

A lot of people don't.

They talk about sorrows.

What in Christ are we talking about?

I think as of on our national forum,

I have decided that it would not be wise to have it taken before the end of the year.

I don't think it's going to serve much better.

I will wait until after the State of the Union, after the final statement of the account.

That will be the best time to find out where the hell we are.

Don't you agree?

Yeah.

You know what I mean, is that so much stuff becomes obsolete, what they think about it now may not be relevant then.

And I think it just might go away and I would spend, I'm not so sure that I would go over $30,000 and all that sort of thing.

Yeah, I thought that one was cheap crap and I thought it would take more than a month.

Only about the advertising that you were supposed to have and so forth.

But who scraped that up?

I don't think they ran it.

Somebody really got the Chicago Sun-Tel on this stuff.

And three or four other reporters have the same story.

And they all swear to God that it's from other people, my White House story.

The only one I can figure out is where it could have come from.

And it might have come from on some kind of accidental basis.

Because he's the only one that's known what they're doing on the planet.

And he knows what they're talking about.

Well, he may not.

He may think I am, because he knows what last year he knows I was involved in that campaign.

You weren't on the financial side.

You weren't on the agency side.

I had nothing to do with advertising.

And this time, as the record clearly shows, they hired a guy to do the advertising.

They hired a guy to do the research.

And I have purposely not interviewed either of them tonight.

It happens that the guy in the advertising thing, I know him.

He was staying with the organization.

That's great.

Who's they?

Who's they are?

Make a choice.

We're not going to get more equipment or people.

That's fine.

The thing I'm concerned about is that I don't want to get us caught laughing as we did last time, Bob.

It's hard to find any advertising room with that sort of screwy stuff like we had that fellow from Anchorage during those hours.

He's a very solid guy as well.

Same as Pete Daly.

He was a great pullback for UCLA back on the 50s.

Good.

That sounds good.

Good football player.

Tight guy.

He was with a big national agency and then built his own agency.

Very solid, and then there was a guy who's now in these buildings, Madison Avenue.

But he knows all that.

He'll do a good job.

He's got the right thing.

We're not going to hire an agency this time.

They are going to build their own, but this baloney about saving $2 million is ridiculous.

That's why I'm saying we're going to hire our own lawyers instead of a law firm in order to save the legal fees.

You don't save the legal fees.

You just pay them to your lawyers instead of paying them to the law firm.

And that's what will happen when the answer comes up.

We don't save anything.

It's just that we pay for the personnel out of the commission rather than paying the commission to the agency.

I don't want to talk to him.

Because that's the only...

Is there anybody else around here who has talked to that before?

You know, keep doing it, keep doing it.

You screwed it up.

He may drop some, I just want to be sure he knows what the truth is.

Because it doesn't serve any, it doesn't hurt us in the end.

But it doesn't help us any to make it look like we've got some tricky financial and it was unfortunate to come right as the campaign's finished.

But also, if this is going in, if that starts sitting, why did that get off?

Somebody drained that out of the whole club.

We haven't decided that yet.

Kevin Phillips ran an advertising story.

He said 10 to 12.

Why do we have to?

Can't our people, I hope nobody is talking about any figures, whatever, and just silence them all there.

You don't think that, or you think they're better than you?

They make estimates of what we spent last year, and the campaign spent before that.

Just say nobody.

Say, I just don't know about it yet.

Which is absolutely true.

I know it's so true.

Can't we get people to say it?

So the story, because it was Chicago,

And it also gets into a, it has a dig at Finch.

It says that I've consolidated my power in Hawaii.

Now it's called Klein and Finch.

I paid the two other Californians and paid them, which Klein wasn't going to do.

Klein could have done that.

But it also says some problem, so it's taking over some area of the bank, too.

But don't rule out Klein and try to do 50.

I think what I would do would be to get Klein, Finch, Rumsfeld, all the people in the war and the rest of the government to get in and out and say, look, this is what is the situation.

We don't know, and this and that.

But the president wants nothing said about this.

This is just something we've got to talk about from home.

Let's not get the idea that we're going to spend that huge fund and all that sort of thing.

Right.

Absolutely.

There's no good at all.

Just understand, I'm not concerned about that.

They won't let me get their head above water.

A rotten knife and wire carried the denial.

So they wouldn't just, because the person was getting interested in the story.

I think that on this case, I would have had a denial more categorical.

I just said there's no foundation of fact, whatever, in the story.

What he said, he said there are inaccuracies in it.

That itself is loaded with inaccuracies.

That doesn't do it.

because it would indicate that there is a plan of some sort that you were able to do the stage for us.

The inaccuracies, I would just say that the foundation of action comes down to just denying categorically.

Oh, well, maybe it's not.

Well, except they will find out during the day what they're going to do.

So they're working that out, and then the other agencies and all that.

So, I don't know.

Yeah, right.

If you lose the election, then we say, you know, I love you guys.

We're going to be friends.

And shit.

Must be, that's for sure.

I'm in trouble at the moment.

I agree.

I'm in trouble.

I don't think there's any danger that happens to you if you ever have another one.

I'm thinking about getting him out, but I want him to be a serious and tender man.

He's finally shipped to Teddy at this time.

And he's very competitive and talented.

You know, he's a little bit of a, you know, a little bit of a, you know, a little bit of a, you know, a little bit of a, you know, a little bit of a,

It wasn't Braden who said that.

It wasn't Braden who said that

It's incredibly incredible.

It's down to a better talk down there.

I thought that was the time for me to talk to him about his own role and what he ought to do.

It's a possibility.

It's very hard to sell a potential to him.

The idea of confirmation is terribly difficult.

with Weinberger, everything he did was fun.

And he sure thinks that way.

Well, he's a great thinker.

He sure is.

And he's a very confident guy.

Oh, Christ.

Butt down.

Confident.

Loyal.

Loyal to Reagan.

Loyal to us.

So, hey, well, I'm not getting on top of it.

It's my analyst there.

He's almost to a halt on that one.

He doesn't.

But that's good.

Do you have any objection to the U.S. Committee for the Iran's 2,500th anniversary?

They want to strike a middleman.

The other thing is, we had a tenant we had come up with

On a long-range basis, we would do that.

Asia and the Middle East are ambassadors in the late fall this year, and we want to put that off now.

I don't know.

In the Latin America, there's a question whether we would do... We've done NATO, haven't we?

No, we haven't done Europe.

The plan was to do Asia and the Middle East this fall, and then do Europe next spring sometime.

The only thing that I... Well, the only thing I think that it might be the idea of talking to other countries.

This has, you know, some interesting, I don't think, problematic behind the patient.

You have to have a channel.

You have both India and Pakistan.

Don't do it.

Don't.

Saudi Arabia, but not Israel.

You've got Israel and the Europeans.

Don't.

Don't do it.

Okay.

Scali and their crew, as far as we reported, did.

I think they're doing pretty well on that.

You know, Colson had a counter-attack on a foreign aid strike.

I've taken Colson off of that and gotten him on there.

The labor got him on that.

Scali had a truck in his hotel.

He now says that we ought to put on a far-back burner the plans for mobilizing a distinguished committee of outsiders.

He said they would be overkill at this point, and it's repetitious.

That's, you know, they've got a name that's coming around to that.

We've got a list.

We've got a list of 64 good names.

We've got to go to the reserves to see what happens.

There we can pull it up any time we want.

But the federal government is building up on our side.

We've got to be sure not to get it over.

We need to do it later.

It's a good idea.

He's also got a strong...

that he's fascinated with pushing that NBC wants to do a one-hour television special on the day in the life of Richard Nixon.

You know, where they would use their, you know, just move a little camera over there and special light and film you all day.

No, I'm not doing that.

Headed down with kind of safeguards we had on ABC on that show.

Good.

One second.

and color and all that stuff, but well, he did show the scope of what the president, we rig a day, obviously, and cover all the lanes at times of night so that it would be a, we were gonna do it, that's a better way to do it than to have U.S. students doing it or something, you know, which is the traditional thing, because that gets lost.

And a few people see it.

Is that BC Waterloo?

Yeah.

They've proposed it.

talk with them about, you know, what kind of restrictions they would take on it.

Because he said that we have to have the right to edit for security and bad tags, hold on only, and have the right to.

When I have total control, I will not have to do it all otherwise.

Their concern is they would, they feel they have to, if they did it, it'd have to be done before the end of January, have to be on the air before the end of January, otherwise they'd get into the political right to do it or something, hang them on.

Scali has talked with him only on the basis of, you know, that he's interested.

He has not made any commitments.

Why doesn't he talk to you about it?

What do you have in mind?

You might have a day when you've got to have a connection before.

All right.

It might be a pretty good thing to end on that.

and see where you can stack people and have a chance to build up people.

You might have a cabin meeting.

They might take a shot at me going to Poland at the end of the day.

That would be the kind of thing we want to do.

Maybe a quick walk with the dog after that.

What's the mixture of the pressure of the job with how you handle things?

Sitting in the micro room.

Micro room.

It might be all right.

I don't know, it might do it.

Provided you've got good producers.

It can take a lot of time to do it.

The furloughs, people.

The Coral Collier Mill and the Walnut furloughs have come up with an offer to put their best

teacher on to whatever interest it might be in teaching Mrs. Nixon some Chinese.

If she were to go with you on the trip so that she could do a little, I don't know a good word, nobody knowing, let her come out with a, it's kind of a nice gimmick, rather than you playing with it, for her to come out with a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,

And she just said, absolutely nothing.

She just sort of crawled up and said, hello, how are you, and asked you.

There was a little phrase maybe she used to tell me, you know, arrival ceremony or something like that.

But they'd like to say that gave her the total immersion, and when she didn't ask her the language for that, she obviously didn't want to do it.

Well, she rocked it.

That's a lot of work.

So we'll be working on this one for several weeks.

But you can, that total emergency thing there is apparently is just a miraculous thing.

You can take it for two or three weeks.

You can take any lunges you can come out of it.

Basically, I'd like to do that someday.

It'd be fun to do.

I don't know, I'll take it on his right tummy.

I'm not well with it, but I'm going to do it with French.

Or Spanish.

I'm going to use French.

This is a subject for me.

I don't know whether I need to take it.

I don't think we have some knowledge in French.

How much they can do in a matter of French.

I can't.

I need to do it in a way that's weak.

I don't know.

This definitely tells me that I might take them up on some phonetic Russian.

Russian, I will do that.

I'm not going to try the Chinese.

I think it's better if you don't.

It looks a little bit too much.

Be kind to the Russians, though, because I've used Russian phrases before, you know.

Yeah.

And just sort of their Russian phonetic training, what they would do on that.

Well, you're a geologist as well, the other day, and that played rather well.

You know, it was great.

It was such a great surprise.

He did it totally unexpected.

And Tito didn't get any credit on it.

Yes.

And Tito's response to it, which was so good, you know, he got us back to the Viva in the United States.

And he was obviously so pleased with himself doing that English opening thing.

I mean, he looked like a little kid with a masculine pull-up for the Christmas exercise or something.

I'm sure he was happy that they all got him to pronounce it.

Absolutely correct.

That means everything to me.

How do you know?

There's no accent and all that.

I said it just like you were talking.

You were talking.

I have a very good aptitude for languages because I, on the pronouncing, I pronounce it well.

Right.

You've got to hear apparently.

I've got to hear it.

I hear so many people that say, he's trying to say, gracias.

You've got to say, you've got to say, .

That's more important than all of your phrases.

Well, if I do try to get it, remember that horrible, he missed his accent, what an atrocious .

and he just sounded absolutely terrible.

Yeah, that was pretty bad.

What's become of him?

Well, we hear his name now and then, but he doesn't.

We got a good hold of him.

I haven't seen him in a few years.

He was worse than Joseph.

That, that, that.

Joseph was bad as well.

It was a bad, bad church on the hills, you know.

And I don't know if all the buildings, Craig Knox Schreiber down on the hill, the hill just got taken over by Charlie Wilson.

He was so smart.

He was important and so on.

Now, Yost, while he was in the job, never did anything good.

He never did any active harm.

Schreiber would have done some active harm for Allen in the job, but then Yost had done plenty of active harm then.

No, I don't know.

But I...

You've got to take her over.

The other thing I'm doing is I'm going to get Frank and Mrs. Leonard into a behind-the-scenes.

We hope to then have a marvelous sense of the kinds of things that, you know, pay off on a political PR basis.

It'd be great to work with Julie.

She'd work with Mrs. Leonard.

She said, you know, I just wish I...

I would like to be on the line.

They don't tell me what they have in mind, so I don't have any chance to develop it.

I have some good ideas, too.

What she does here is a better thing.

She's here right now, and she's spent the time.

I just, I get on there very fast, and I go over to Julie about her, and let her know what Patricia should do.

So I go to her, and I talk to her about that, and I said, how do we go out of Patricia?

She said, I'd be right on.

I said, well, what's the way to do it?

Because I don't think one of us getting into Patricia would be very good.

because Trish doesn't, but Trish likes that hella work apartment.

She, we remember, you know, she get out of there and she do a hella job.

But there were a couple things that Julie, that we had for Julie that Pat shot down.

Julie said, just, why do they have to show them other birds?

She said, she has these ideas about things I shouldn't do at all.

She said, I really think my ideas are better.

That's right, they are.

And I'm not afraid to do things that she doesn't do.

Sometimes they are a good idea.

And also, she was saying, aren't the things around here on a low-key basis?

I said, yes, but as a matter of fact, your father has very successfully, from time to time, done these things totally unannounced, where he drops in on a convention or a dinner honoring somebody or something like that and just reads them.

I said, you could do that day in and day out.

Well, I write every convention in Washington right now.

I have to pop in and do a few of them.

You know, the National Association of Counties.

My father asked me to come over and tell you, and I'm glad he is, since you're here.

That's right.

He just wants you to know we're all a part of the program.

You're doing a great job.

She can do it?

15 times.

You can try it on that, but again, don't ship it out to a clerk.

You better just have a... What I already have in mind is that I don't want you to have somebody in their staff

who will, I want you to make the guy, I don't want them to talk to, they can talk to Julie, not Pat, I mean, she's got to be handled in a second level.

But I'm just, we've got a whole, the gals want to handle it.

Julie says, I don't think women and advanced men are really what we want into that.

I think a man is better to do this thing.

She's absolutely right.

How do you say, in the case of a first guy who walks through that area, I don't know if he's even trying to do that.

So I'll let me talk to Julie about that.

I hope we can just say, well, they go along.

They make them, put them out in front.

The good defense members, they all come in and touch them.

Carlos, you know, most people don't know who to ask first.

Well, apparently not, because I had Dwight come for all the meeting with Dave Parker and go through the whole, all the stuff we had sent over.

And Dwight came back to the problem, and she just said, you know, I asked her, I asked her what we're doing on the press follow-up.

She said, well, we announced it to the press.

They don't pour in the cash enough.

When Julie gets to a GRV, she's the fact that she's now willing to think of herself more as a celebrity and not do what she needs to do.

She'll stay in the background.

She's a valuable celebrity, and she'll

But if you compare her to Kennedy, she's a girl, you know.

She's basically a lady, and she's smart as hell.

She really is in her own right.

And she's a marvelous person, and she's just a bug that lives in there and knock them over.

She gives people the heat of the day.

She's so delighted to see him.

And Trisha can be just as effective in her own way.

She can pull them over too.

One other thing that's sort of left hanging here is the Spanish thing.

Should we get away from the mention of .

We really ought to get that off.

I mean, I really think Spanish ought to move now.

Here's the other thing.

The guy who's going to be a .

You ought to get him approved now rather than right around next year.

But you can't ask, you shouldn't ask the guy to come in for eight months to be Secretary of Commerce.

I'll do the reading.

You just said it's up to me to ask that.

You know, there's, it's Steve, he's got a lot to live in, and then you've got to do it.

You don't have to ask him, it's Steve's ask.

Basically, he'll do it.

You know, one thing we've got to do is to protect Coulson from his enemies.

Because he is, I don't care what they call him, I don't care what all the rest of them call him.

Coulson's worth more than the other cops.

And he is a superb operator now.

You know, he had more issues around care.

He said, when you're in a run-on, you're saying, is anybody going to be confident?

Buddy-buddy was there.

He was part of it.

And he's, uh, he had a lot of limited speed.

And he's got the ACS.

The market goes down 13 points.

So, on that, it shouldn't go down.

Uh, that's exactly what it was.

And the way to do it is to isolate it from this one.

I'm sorry.

I admit that Harry sent me all the notes on this question.

It's good.

I think you're leading the way.

And the idea there is to tell them that I'm totally aware of all this.

I've asked for these meetings to be set up.

You're going to chair them.

Just so that we get on our political people all in one vote.

And then you tell Mitchell you're doing this, that I don't want to do this.

How about Mitchell with the senators?

I want to be sure those senators are aware that I'm going to see them.

I'm going to break it into two groups.

I think Tom and I would like to do it so that we can do it in two different groups.

What I'd do would be to pick the Serbians and meet with them.

Who lives?

and speak to them separately, right after the Senate's adjournment.

That's what I meant.

And they can be informed now.

I would like this to be thought of as a very important thing to inform them.

Or maybe the greater to know, which would put them informed.

And the greater to know that the President wants to meet with the group, the group of Senators at this time in Washington.

And I believe he should put them on the spot.

He doesn't want any partisan shit in his mind.

I need you to have to do a few sessions on the groups that happen and that solves that problem.

Well, on the defying group, is that this week or another, whatever it is, include Bruce Lowe in the group.

If you do that, Bruce Lowe asked, well, I'm just saying this because we're talking about the United States of America, and you just now said it would be helpful to me

He has asked to see me about the channel and Bruce will be present to help him.

Sheriff, Bruce Lowe has been responsible in this thing, you know, as a person.

And I know that he's got a voting record.

That's the thing that I'm pressing Sheriff Lowe.

He's got a voting record down there.

Not a song, he's in that song that he wants to be in that.

Real simple to get that, and then another thing too, I will be avoiding their box, personally, which I should not have.

I can see Sam, but not Ursula.

So Sam can conclude that he should invite, okay, but the president would like to come down.

Good deal.