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I forgot an item that I wanted to go over with you and Ron, and Henry too, Henry with Coogan or Bill at the moment, but if you could, Ron just got here so he could come over and restart it.

And then I put the ball to Henry, and then Henry says something, and then the patient just got located.

Well, I talked to Henry just now on the phone, and he's in a meeting with Louis de Merville, the Frenchman.

So I don't want him to leave that meeting, but that's all right.

I don't think we need him.

Bye.

Good.

How'd you get along?

No problem.

Got him.

to free from that at the moment now, or what are you doing?

Do you need them?

Got it.

Oh, great.

Stay right there.

Don't hurry.

Okay.

Yeah.

Great.

Well, if you stay right with me, then I don't have any urgency to send you there.

We'll go there in time.

Time.

All right.

Come over in a second.

Go in there and go right back in.

The Navy Day.

Of course, endorsement of Rehnquist for three years.

312.

It's pretty damn good.

Very good.

And he'll destroy them.

They don't understand, and I hear them again today on the fact that, yes, there's a November 15th, but there's not a continued resolution, four and eight stops.

It's amazing, some of these guys don't even understand the legislative process.

They don't have the authority to adopt, period.

Well, Hannah said it, the secretary said it, and I've said it all over the road.

Yet, there is no continued resolution.

As of November 15th, they have no authority to pay the first minimum buyer.

But they will sue.

That's how you do it.

No real major issue.

Whatever, Mr. General.

What we have involved here really is a strategy in regard to

in the New York Times and another level of .

How are we handling the .

We have the same .

We have basically the same type of .

Kilpatrick has been such a gentleman .

Hello?

Hello, Walter, how are you?

Well, I just want to congratulate you on that fine man who elected as mayor.

Yeah?

Yeah, Rose told me about him.

He was what?

Yeah.

Right.

Great.

Good, don't you?

Don't you feel good?

Yeah.

Let me say it, don't you really feel that that's a lot better for us than having had long stress?

Right.

That's the way we played it, so.

And I really feel, I just think we just got to keep trying to be taken in by that Democratic hierarchy and all that.

Matter of fact, while we're at it, we have music.

I don't mean to handle that, but on a broader scale, if you can have any artist influence on Pennsylvania County, we can go after that state this time.

Don't you think so?

All right.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Well, I... Great.

I understand.

Well, you're not coming in Thanksgiving, I understand.

I think that's...

You can't come Christmas.

Yeah.

And that you ought to do.

Well, in any event, we're just, I'm just going out for the, frankly, the dedication, and I have to come back.

I've got a very heavy schedule here at the moment.

Yeah.

Well, Bob Hope is such a good friend, and I just want to be sure that he knows we're supporting him.

And it's a great project, too.

So I just...

Well, you know, some of your, you may have noticed, some people are starting to say that there's a foreign aid thing, and some people just don't believe it, because we'll get a continuing resolution, and it's going to look very bad on us.

And we're going to keep right on top of them.

The UN vote is the only thing we can do about that.

And I can assure you that

We, uh, we're going to remember our friends on that one, too.

We certainly got two good judges, incidentally.

They'll both be confirmed.

Two very strong men, Powell and Rankin.

His only problem is his age, but I said 10 years to him was worth 30 of basically dozens.

That's the way I deal with it.

How are you getting along with the present time with Keith and the department?

Well, as a matter of fact, the difficulty is that the Russians thought that they told us not to, so that was the problem.

But in any event, I inferred as much to Hume when I thought I was trying to signal him that something was coming.

But we'll just, we've got to remember, he's got to remember that we're not going to embarrass them on South Africa or Egypt or any of those things.

That's correct, you've got it.

Well, I understand that.

And, of course, we've supported you on this common marketing issue, and that was a fine victory for you, too.

Well, anyway, it's good to talk to you, and I hope you and Liz, and give Liz my best.

Okay.

From Pat, bye.

I'm telling you,

We don't have a mayor in Philadelphia.

That would be because money didn't drop.

He's got that big box over there.

Folks, Henry came to see me after the town.

He wanted to come in and check around and see me.

I would not let him do it.

I said, well, first-hand, whenever we do see the Times, you're not going to see Johnny Oaks, who is basically a program that's just a Google Times editorial board where you've got a couple of guys up there, Averill, Paul, Schwartz, who are going to help you.

That's the real question, always the timing.

when we didn't believe in them at all.

And I said, now, if you want to remember, you said right from the start this morning, the Pentagon papers came out and we decided that this was totally irresponsible and just a good play of the time.

Good play.

Now, the real question that we have to address ourselves to at this time, you know, so the devil, if necessary, is going to help us, just like we're concerning the Chinese comments.

Now, the question is on the treatment of the

and if you believe wrong, then we should or should not let Henry go see the editorial board.

Actually, don't you agree that you should not see John Hiltz?

No, no, I think that you should not see John Hiltz.

There's a little apartment around here.

Well, you know, sir, John Hiltz just drove that over to the place and found a good one for us.

Henry, uh, I mean, he goes up there, and he would, and he would do a good job of himself.

You know, he could do a certain thing.

How can we

But it comes down to in terms of our

general approach to the press at this time.

You've got to understand there will be a time when we will sort with everybody.

Not everybody, but we've got to still do it on a case-by-case basis, and we're not going to let it in.

But this is something where I don't want it to be picked off.

by some son of a bitch like Bose, or Frankel, and then undo everything we've done in the comments.

Henry's a big gun.

He is the big gun.

They all want to talk to him.

You know, they're going to the Star, you know.

That's okay.

Now, we've got the problem of the New York Times, the Washington Post, in terms of the press.

And we've also got the problem of the...

And I'm going to go ahead and put in the last one, the third editorial board.

Now, coming to the last one first, the third editorial board is the SDS.

and the editorial board of NBC, and the editorial board of ABC.

Now, maybe the editorial board, or the way he's doing the preach, you know, he'll get in Chancellor, or he's got Howard Smith, or Oswald Brandt, or something like that.

but a dozen individual meetings.

Maybe that's the way.

Maybe it's the board.

Maybe it's a group of them.

I don't know what the situation is.

I don't know whether it's one way, but I know why people like that come to town.

Now, that's all well and good.

It doesn't really have much effect.

Henry's meeting with me can have a significant effect.

So that's my point.

The second point is, on the time, this week, on this week, the New York Times,

Now what's your judgment on this?

Looking at the overall

I think that we are moving to a period now where we have, we should begin to loosen up.

I think we should begin to loosen up over a period of time.

With the objective in mind, not playing, not playing favorites or you know, that type of thing, but to begin to move toward the objective of getting the best possible press we can by using that.

to our advantage.

There's no question about the fact that we've used them to our advantage by playing to their normal human instincts.

The NBC other portable, the ABC, the CBS, the portable would be fairly flattered when they just come up to New York.

Or even to heaven down here in San Francisco.

Hell, if they're flattered when I go up there, it'd rather be flattered when they just come up.

I'd have, with them, I'd have them come here.

Don't you think?

The other, the other people who would be very flattered would be the New York personnel, the New York Associated Press.

Because you stop into their homes, and they are very, you know, I don't, couldn't they come down here?

They could come down here.

Well, all we're thinking of is one of those newspapers, the Scripps-Howard editorial board, where they're working at night on the night papers, the night papers.

So what I'm getting at is, why don't we get a program for handling that is really affecting them in respect.

Now, this is about the youth.

They don't think this is something that the client should handle either.

This is something that I will, quite frankly, watch a little time from now on.

I think it's this kind of thing.

And I think it would be possible, even one day, to break away from the show.

Break away from it.

He loves to do it.

Maybe it's better to go up there.

Go up there.

What do you think?

I think there's something there.

Yeah, there is.

There's also something there.

I'm stuck with the map.

I don't want him to go to the New York Times.

I want them to come here.

I think you could invite them down.

So I put the network sections in New York Times.

The meeting with the New York Times is very marginal, right?

Because I don't think it affects what they write on the newspapers.

I think they're sort of up to date already.

Perhaps a little time.

Well then, getting to this New York time, which is the easiest problem, what if anything, should we have any new people?

No, no, no, absolutely not.

They are frozen out on their nose and they're hurt by it.

The guy, I think, too,

I like the APU people.

I think that's great.

I remember they had more... What's the New York Times?

When we're talking about the New York Times today, we've got quite a nice one on this.

They had...

We've got a hell of a lot of circulation out in the small papers.

I know, including the Washington Star.

Including the Washington Star.

But Seattle has a theory that seems to be a good idea, which is that our people should not see, as a general rule, our people, the Romans, the English people, should not see

an ordinary reporter, just because that reporter is working on a story and wants to see it.

Ziegler or a press, a guy or someone, you know, like that, should handle those.

Yeah.

And then our guys should see zero Gs, editorial types, people who haven't influenced other than just the guy who's doing the second shot story.

I have that.

I don't know whether that's a good theory or not, but I basically agree with it.

I have that.

Well, I do, to this degree.

It depends on who the reporter is and, number one, what he's learning from.

For example, that would not apply to simple.

Simple has good news.

That's right.

Good deal of influence in the New York Times.

And also Semple's a decent man.

And I must say, I take concurrence with the Los Angeles Times.

It wasn't about Irwin.

I agree.

I would do...

It's got better off to see Irwin.

No, I would say I would never do the Los Angeles Times editorial board again.

I don't think it was any good for you.

Or to very much.

I think what I would do would be to see Semple and Irwin together.

How would that be?

Well...

that there's a possibility that Irwin can capture him.

And don't do it then.

And see him separately.

But Irwin, we've got rid of that son of a bitch, Lurie, but I think Irwin is worth a shot.

We ought to build Irwin a little bit.

The problem with that, I wouldn't waste a lot of time on it, but the problem is it doesn't matter how much good Irwin does, it'll make Irwin screwed.

Yeah.

Irwin won't get anything.

The L.A. Times won't carry anything.

Irwin has far less influence in the Los Angeles Times.

Far less influence than Bob Semple has.

The problem there is they don't want to deal with Kraslow.

Oh, shit.

And Kraslow has substantial.

Kraslow has substantial.

Well, you're right.

And Henry has substantial with Kraslow.

And I think it's probably worth working with Kraslow.

I don't think he's, I know he's bad, but I don't think he's so good.

Kraslow is, again, on his knees.

He's a whore.

Is he on his knees?

He is on his knees.

Well, I think he's, he's,

Stomach's churning because he can't get close.

Now, my theory is that we can use our enemies as well as our friends, and we can move them as far as you're here.

My view on the freeze is not for the purpose of punishing the press.

Not at all.

My view on the freeze is that I feel that we hurt them more

than they've been heard of us when we've raised them for a while.

And don't you agree with that?

On the other hand, there comes a time when you just, you'll talk any son of a bitch.

I really do.

I never worry about who I talk to.

And it's the timing that I think is important.

So we move into it.

We've got to keep our strategy in the spaces that we stay on top of.

We should not.

Probably we tend to see Henry Hubbard when he wants to see us first.

Right.

And spend hours with him.

On the other hand, what Jeremy Schechter wants to see is worthwhile.

If Schechter has more influence, then the time organization has to be quite safe.

He's smarter than Schecter.

And Jerry Schecter at the time was in Moscow for a while, and he has a very objective view of things.

He is 100% supportive and an advocate of your policy.

Of the Moscow sign.

Schecter is a guy who can be cultivated and has influence.

All right, we'll put him down as one that Henry Schecter should see.

Now, a checker says, go lean instead of a veggie.

Oh, sure.

I know that.

The whole time organization is.

A checker, I would say.

And I think Semple's worth saying.

Now, you put butter on the times.

Why do that?

That's right.

I think he gained more by giving the times nothing except through Semple, which builds Semple, which is to our advantage, you know.

As soon as you go around, as soon as you go to the editorial board, then you leave poor Semple sitting out here with nothing.

The Times editorial board is not going to change it.

This is my view.

If Henry Kissinger goes up and spends four hours, they know the policy and they know exactly what's going to be required.

They know what they're doing.

They're screwing us.

And they know what we're doing.

Plus the fact that the Times editorial, the whole editorial thing, the New York Times has as much

the weekly union in general.

Except, well, they would probably say that that affects the attitudes of reporters on television, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

I don't think he ever told me that.

I think Brown is right.

I think what they write in those columns has an effect on the people.

It's the bottom line.

That's right.

And I think they picked up on Frankl.

They picked up on Frankl.

And they said, we ought to build simple and screw Frankl.

That's right.

And I don't want Frankl ever singing.

Right.

He's a cold turkey.

I don't like him, son of a bitch.

That's not what I'm going to stick to the internet.

Well, he's got to be told.

Now, here it is.

Frankl is out.

Tell him that it's personal with me.

I put it straight as that.

It is.

Well, that's also if you go to the Pentagon Papers.

That's right.

What was that?

Where he just stood up and lied, flat out lied on NBC.

Yeah, well, Arnold Brangel, because of what he did in the Pentagon Papers, he's out.

Period.

Forever.

Ever.

Right?

Central, we should start with Bill because he is the one if we take any of those in the New York Times, we'll take C. Incidentally, I've got a malicious idea about time.

We aren't going to take any of them now.

We're going to take that little whore, Betty White.

The reasons for that are far beyond that.

They'll have to use her every question.

He would cut off three of his fingers to go to China.

We're just hoping that they're working.

You came in to see me the other day and it took great, great satisfaction.

I'm just working here.

Come on, come on, come on.

But you understand, you understand that it's fine.

We're not going to let him have that joy.

And I see no reason to take any letter from Newsweek.

I think you take a point, not because he's with the news magazine, but because he's stressed out over time.

See my point?

I would like to at least at some point submit a chapter for consideration.

All right.

Now we're getting on, right?

Yeah.

Well, not Russia, but nevertheless.

Coming now then, what do you do about the network?

I think seeing the network people is important, very important.

Would you not agree, sir?

Absolutely.

Because it isn't just the reporter here.

It isn't just the Dan Rathers and the reasoners and the rest.

The network people, I think it would be very important to see that.

Well, there it's worth one over the heads of the local reporters.

Well, I think we'll consider it.

I mean, the top news guys would be very, very flattered.

I mean, the one that needs to have time to sit down.

I mean, you left there to correspond.

Why don't you go to my suit?

I'll do that.

I'll leave that to them.

They sometimes do.

They sometimes don't.

But if they do, it's fine.

I mean, if they're watching it anchoring, I was pleased.

Well, we would want that.

Convex meds.

Well, is it not right that we should start working the networks now?

All right.

What would you like to plan on that?

Should we get Henry up there and he can't do it all in one day?

But he can do it.

He could do, he could stay two days.

He could go up on an afternoon and do one at the evening, one at the afternoon, one at the evening, one at the next day, one at the next night, or lunch.

Now maybe go by the water service.

See, you wouldn't have to spend much time at the water service.

Oh, that's a great idea.

Because they have, but he's not perceiving it.

I agree with you.

I mean, after all, they did this.

They did this.

I have to say, that is my reaction to this bill.

And you know, it isn't because, it just can't reward people who screw, who have been unpaid.

I got it.

And then open up the Senate.

We've got it nailed.

And now open up Senate.

And let people start talking to him and start building.

And just, he can become a great expert if he gets to stop it.

How'd you get on with it?

Cool.

It's smooth, son of a bitch.

So, who told you that I didn't take you, Sergeant?

Did you tell him that I said you were going to be sacred?

And I mean a great replacement.

And he said to you, Arnold, why are these books drawn out of praise and jubilance?

And he said, who else was Marlowe last year?

I've always said, Henry, that the greatest, the greatest fader of the American press

It was the way they underestimated Khrushchev at the time.

They said Khrushchev was making a fool of himself with old animals.

He was uncouth.

He was poor Russian, and so forth and so on.

I told you, it started off with what they'd all said to him.

And Buster, he was sleeping sick.

And I said, I didn't know Buster.

I read it in a little twitch.

I actually read the story of his death.

I think that you're wrong.

You say no one can get to the top in a complex hierarchy without being a man.

And you're so right.

Khrushchev was a man.

Huh?

He was asked to get out of it.

He was still to get to the top in an essentially central geographic structure.

Yeah.

And then a man would take nothing in a country who would come from heaven towards a valley

still said it will take over the country, and that it's got to be .

But it's got to be

We didn't discuss the proof.

What we want to do on that is to be where they want.

The other point I want to say is that with the front, I've been thinking about that.

But I think he ought to come home.

I think.

But I think if he comes to Florida, that's the idea.

If we want to give him a steak dinner, give him a dinner in Florida.

That will serve a lot for us in Florida every year.

We can't get that done.

I've told him I just thank him and give him Florida, but I've given him many days.

at any time.

You see, I can fly down there in two hours, so I don't have to make an appearance in flying weeks in advance.

The way he built that is, he built that on the day, and then we moved this in that day.

Brown, I think you probably want to meet first.

The other thing I was going to suggest is

No, no, no.

I took care of it then.

What kind of good?

I don't know.

And what happened was I told Cromwell that two o'clock on Monday.

Yeah.

He had it 24 hours before he went out.

And I said, this is only for the driver.

And it's a special communication from the president to the driver.

And he said, I said, he doesn't hear it.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's right.

Would it be, would it be, would it be worthwhile to drop it with another patient?

I was just saying, you know, there's a common market for that.

For me?

Yeah.

That's a better role.

and I congratulated him.

I didn't put that aside from the name.

I mean, he said, it's a good one.

I said, thank you.

Yeah.

I said, you won't regret it.

It's a good one.

And he kind of sat back and read it for me.

All right.

Now, he is bound to want to meet the other two.

Oh, yeah.

But he should see that he is a good one.

because we've covered that.

Now, here's what we've been talking about here, because we've followed your schedule.

I've been talking about this whole business of the press and how we use you.

Remember, I told you that.

Now, we're going to do one other thing, Ron.

This is just a trick show.

This is not to go to the skeleton or anybody else.

Part of this is to go to the skeleton.

I've bumped this all day long.

After China, I'm going to search Henry.

But prime time.

You know what I mean?

He can come back and talk about the charges, and then I don't give a damn what the biggest charge is.

I mean, there's only one.

But then, there's going to be a lot.

I want some very careful thinking going on about that.

about what we've done.

I would think then that they would, don't you agree Bob, that they would want to have a special that they could get kissed in?

At that time, the way to do it, the way they need to do it at that time, and you could, is to go to a three-network man.

Totally dominant.

No, I want Henry to do it.

That's what I mean.

Henry, go to a three-network man.

No question.

Why did I do it when he was being there?

I don't know.

The President will be on today.

You should do it because you can say things about the President.

That's it.

The President can't say.

You see, I want you to go on and be prepared.

I'm just talking about this, but to say that Jesus is the greatest thing, I've been here from the beginning.

You know, I've looked at you with a little secret and so forth.

You've been colored back and forth.

But the main thing, you build up the President's world, he's wonderful, he's such a bullshit.

There's things I can't say.

If they asked me on a three-depth word thing, well, how was the reception in the first place?

I can say to you, it was a marvelous reception in Chinese, but you loved me.

Wasn't that right?

I can't say that.

But you, you will have been in on it.

You will have been in on the whole thing.

And what do you think, Ron, of that?

A three-depth word thing with Kissinger would knock the goddamn ball out of the box.

And I think this is what we want to do.

Now, prior to that, though, to set this up, we want you to plan if you can.

A two-day visit to New York next week.

How's that situation?

Good.

Now, wait a minute.

Now, wait.

Now, here's what we have in mind.

I want you to meet, I want you to meet with the editorial boards of the three networks, each seven of them.

You'll have to do lunch, dinner, lunch maybe, or something like that.

And with their Washington Anchorman and education providers as well.

This is something we've been holding in reserve, but it's now time for you to do it.

This can have an enormous effect.

And all of you just talked about the four of us.

They won't talk about China.

You can talk about the four of us in general.

In general, just the buildup of the president and all the rest.

Next week is a good time.

This will be that much past.

See, we'll let the China vote before anything and all that thing is passed.

Or is that too soon?

Would you wait until he doesn't continue?

It might be better to wait until after.

I think 15.

After the 15th, that's right.

Otherwise, they're going to baggage him to death about withdrawal and what's going to come up.

All right.

The week of the 15th, Henry, will be a safe two days, the week of the 15th.

He's absolutely right.

Because if he goes before that, they will tend.

Well, I don't know.

That's good.

No, no.

I think the week of the 15th follows a good time.

For the reason that, that will present them up for a, I think you should go immediately after the way of Vietnam and Rome.

All right, maybe get to New York on the 16th and the 17th and then on to Cincinnati.

What I was thinking was that, as a matter of fact, you could even go off, after we make the announcement on the 15th or something, both the annuals, and then you could go out to the yard and do 99, do 21.

They will be hanging.

Now, the purpose of that is for you to get a focus on the highest levels, you know, the women, the Jewish women, and we believe that they will be enormously flattered at that.

Now that has infinitely more influence than seeing Scott at the Times Post, New York Times, or the New York Times as we go together.

Although we have a little plan on those too.

But that's for the other thing we want you to do in New York on this occasion is to stop by and see the editorial boards of AT&T and beyond.

C.A.P.

and U.P.I.

cover the country.

They would be enormously glad.

They're not too smart.

And it would be good to do that.

Now... Not worth it.

Well, yeah, sure, sure.

A business group could be a good thing to do, too.

Somebody waiting for you.

Oh, great, great.

Well, definitely do it.

Definitely.

Yeah, one second.

The other thing is, though, I want to tell you this.

We've got a plan on the New York Times and Time magazine.

The editorial board is not for this, particularly the president and the independent on-page members.

But we want you to talk to C. Semple.

Semple is our best in there.

He now has some influence in the group.

And building him up will help us enormously.

And Bronco said that whenever you think it's a good idea, Bronco.

Now, the Los Angeles Spines, the group we want, this is all Washington.

The Los Angeles Spines would be Craswell.

Craswell's the man who used to lead the interviews.

He can be one.

You can influence him.

And he's also an economist.

He was a student.

And also, he's very interested in supporting us on the Moscow issue.

Well, and importantly, he has influence at the Times.

That's right.

And also, he's hurting us.

See, we have killed him and frozen him.

The Los Angeles Times is hurting him.

The New York Times is hurting him.

So what we want to do is, rather than see folks who is in all of that, we see Irvin.

I mean, it's simple.

We see Graswell in the box.

Now, what about the post?

Is there anybody you'd like to see here?

Good.

I think that's a good one.

That's right.

There's not.

One thing I want done.

The LA Times and the New York Times can be screwed up.

All right, screw them.

And you're saving the star.

Saving the star screws the boat.

The LA Times services the boat, so you've got to run it anyway.

I want to be sure George Sherman could be possible to be invited to that Star Wars event.

They probably have Mary McGrory.

They'll have Mary McGrory for sure, so I think George Sherman ought to be invited to it.

Well, that's wrong.

That's wrong.

Yeah, well, we don't want you to wait too long.

Well, you can see Sherman Center.

See my point?

And that'll move him off the stage.

But you see, what we have here, Henry, is a plan.

We will get you, we will use the networks, we will use the other two.

The business group can do anything.

The business group is a good idea.

But I don't believe it is something that is really not of high priority at this point.

Here's the thing we want.

You are the big gun.

Everybody wants to see you in all the ranks.

Now we're going to start parsing you out, and those passengers will know it.

And we've thought this thing through.

We haven't talked to Kline, we haven't talked to Scali, everybody else.

This is the way it's gonna be done now.

This is the sound.

How do you identify it?

That's right.

No, well, I'm trying.

It's too busy.

It's good.

But here's your, you see the, I think the two-day trip to New York, though, is just a superb idea.

Do you think that's better around than inviting them down here?

I think it is.

Yeah.

Do you think it is?

It doesn't make me look, what am I doing?

No, all right.

You've been invited up.

Well, they will invite you to see it.

They've invited you up on that time.

Oh, it's done all the time.

Like, everybody goes up to New York to see the editorial board of the New York Times.

So you're bringing this up.

Sheriff, you can do it on the basis that you're up there a couple days, and it will not be noticed.

They'll notice it.

And it can have a massive effect.

I want to arrange those so there's two hours in each version.

So you have two hours in the other version of each one.

An hour and a half, if you know what I mean, so that you can really have a memory of what we have.

Then we're set up for the massive public thing.

Don't you think that's the best time after the China trade-off?

Then you see that isn't going to break all the deal.

May not.

As a matter of fact, the way that you handled the announcement, the way I handled it, I guess, I, I, I think it's well into a very, very good job.

Yeah, that's right.

I think next week is a better week, Ron.

He's going to take it over tonight.

Okay.

We'll talk to Claire and offer that job if we can.

That's what I think.

Have you thought about it?

Yeah.

I think it's much better.

Well, we don't have to send out a confirmation.

Okay, good.

Right.

Yeah, next week will be better for you, I agree.

But I'll check with, uh, yeah, if it won't work out, then, uh, fine.

Okay.

Part of this is, you know, this is very important.

We heard it, you know, the state's doing these things, and we'll see how they are, so.

I mean, you can see that reaction from the police back to the treasurer on the beach.

It's a matter of principle.

It's a matter of principle because of that chief, John.

They've been screwing us for three years now.

He goes right on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

Absolutely.

They haven't been out with the girls.

But now I'll tell you what, when you do this, I want you to arrange the editorial board.

How can we arrange it so it doesn't look like we're asking for it?

Well, that's all right.

I talked to these guys all the time.

They're not going to say, Andrew's going to be in New York.

I think, you know, some of it's happening.

Or you should go with him on each one.

I'd say, if he's going to be up there, I thought I'd come up to talk to you about some other things.

I'll move around.

That's right.

I'll do this with Ron, not Bob.

My objective is to get Ron and him.

And you go there and receive their message.

That'll help.

That's good.

South America.

That's good.

Very nice.

But, set up, Henry's right, it's gotta be next week.

I don't think there's any time to wait.

Now's the time to start our own little background stuff.

I think you could do, but I'd love for you to get in, I think he oughta get the crab floating now.

Is this too early for crab floating?

Wanna have to wait a little, keep on waiting.

All right, how about, how about Central giving him a little crab, since Oaks has been in town.

Maybe it's true or we can't know.

Or we want it's true or we can't know.

I just think he doesn't see how it's going to work.

We're actually going to send one in here in the next week or so.

Watch for a shot.

Wait until the right time.

All right, fine.

There'll be a reason.

All right.

You see?

You see a good opportunity to get in several.

We've got this lined up.

Just raise the post.

Raise the post up.

See?

Except we're getting it.

We're bringing it in.

It's free.

We've got her to pick it up.

See?

We had no problem with that.

Henry said, I'm trying to get him to control himself so that he doesn't become the one controlling people right now.

Now, he talks about climate in New York Times all the time.

Every time he runs, he's screwed.

And Henry wonders why he's like that.

It's why he's screwed.

He gets him to talk about it.

I think, too, at a lesser, at another magnitude, when you put it down in strict hours,

The Knight papers, and is there any other chain that would be worthwhile?

Scripps, Holland, Knight are both important to us because of where they serve them.

No, not worth it.

It's very hard.

They are.

They are friends, though.

They are friends.

Put them down for that reason.

Now, what about the Newhouse papers?

David, you know, these papers.

I'm ready to use them.

Don Bajan from Newhouse.

Yeah.

He's been good.

Don Bajan, he's very good.

Also, have you seen some of their editorial stuff?

I mean, the Portman Art are going and trying to destroy him.

Which is a bad idea, too.

So, in terms of Newhouse, Bajan has quite a bit of time.

Maybe the best thing is that Bajan comes in.

He's a guy...

Right?

He doesn't have to see the right protocol.

Maybe.

Fair enough.

I think Bacon would complain, too, for the time.

But, for example, you look at Scripps-Harvard.

There, that's a different situation, because Knapp had one.

Oh, yeah.

Then Knapp's on the front.

Bacon, on the other hand, has influence in Newhouse.

What does Bacon look like?

He's fairly short.

He has a young left arm.

How old is he?

But he certainly has lately been very good.

I know there's several of his pieces.

I don't know why, but what do you think's happened to him?

Well, he's always been the ritualizing factor in the festival.

And maybe just as a matter of fairness, we are of that, as they say.

Oh, actually, right.

There are a bunch of them that see me here doing this stuff.

It's not bad.

The tone and energy of the press right now is very much...

They've gushed over this in their orgasms about the defeat of the UN.

Shit.

They're going to beat it for it.

We're going to win it.

It's going to be sort of a... That's the way I feel.

That's... That's... That's...

Hey Ron, now that's the scheme.

Now we've got Henry on this.

Bob, you back it up.

And let's play it right, close to the vest, and let's use this bullet to affect him.

Because I must say, if there's ever been a wasted accident, it's been Henry.

In his context, for the first time.

I mean, you know, I don't mean it for a waste, but he sees 60% of the people he sees do not know.

Joe Crabb.

That's an enormous amount of money.

And he spends a lot of time with a lot of others.

Now, then, of course, you'll see a Bill Buckley or a Stuart Alston.

But it's time he shifted to others.

He can develop some friendships here.

And let me say, those little bastards in the state don't want to play there.

They can't touch Henry.

Listen, those press guys, if they've got a choice between Brighton State Line or seeing Kissinger, they're going to play Kissinger.

Are they?

Absolutely.

Particularly now.

We've got something going for these bastards.

Well, especially if you pull him off of the backgrounders.

That's right.

I don't want him for backgrounders, honestly.

Well, he has.

Every time he's been out now, he's been on the record.

Yeah.

You don't have to.

I know.

But my point is, we don't want to make him too available even on the record anymore.

Right now, let Henry do this certain thing.

And we'll knock that strange devil right out of the box.

Okay.