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Well, on the old folks, I guess your problem is, I read that there was something this morning that felt like all the law enforcement groups were there, and all that.

And our people, I mean, it's fighting like hell.

I guess if it's just another one, we're going to have a real loser.

I don't know.

I just don't know what the hell to do about the thing.

I asked the boys to rework this and say, now the

I haven't had a chance to send this over to you.

There's a pretty good paper to you from Jamie McClain, actually, who's our guy on this contract.

And he lays out what's wrong.

Jamie McClain is a young guy who worked for Finch.

We were suspicious about him at one time as to his loyalties because he's Governor Sargent's son-in-law.

Oh, that's the one you told me about.

I thought, well, that's all I need to know.

I don't care about it.

Well, we've had him assigned to this aging company.

It's our liaison there.

He's right.

He's right, and he's reviewed this stuff.

Speaking of the young, of our speechwriters at the present time, I don't mean in terms of total elegance and so forth, but Christ, of course, would have to be clever in his own way to do it.

Well, this kid is the kind that you can point in the direction.

And he'll just go.

Now, he was up the other day, and I said, you haven't come up with anything we can live with.

And so he went back over the weekend, and he's batted this thing out.

And he's got an analysis of what the problem is here.

And basically what it comes down to is we're going to get rolled by the Congress.

One way or the other, they're going to amend H.R.

1.

So let's start with the first.

His argument is we can...

We can stand there and watch them do it, and then reluctantly sign.

Or we can be out ahead of them.

Now, that's a very appealing argument.

George has got, if that were the rule, we'd go broke.

Because we can't keep ahead of this Congress.

And so that's sort of the essence of the argument.

Now, here's what he says our alternative courses of action are.

And I think he's probably pretty sensible about it.

citizens to you is clear we should consider laying out your long-range goals for the nation's elderly in the conference we need to outline a broad framework of goals which can encompass the conference recommendations that they'll probably come in with provide a basis for a series of action steps for the next 12 months provide a positive foundation from which irresponsible congressional actions over the next 12 months could be countered you should convey the conference delegates a sense of your personal concern about the problems of the elderly and

appearance on the last day.

Other decisions can come after the conference.

The options are, one, stand on our accomplishments to date, provide exhortations on how the financial burdens of the elderly can be relieved, and suitable living arrangements and complimentary services can be ensured.

Ask Plumbing to remain as the President's personal representative on the problems of the elderly.

Charge the Cabinet-level Domestic Council Committee on the Aging with a federal response to the conference.

The last amendment.

and I told them to go ahead and draft a speech in those terms.

Second, the foregoing plus starting out is that we need to do, to be perfectly candid with them.

They won't like it if the professionals don't do the best they want.

We have these goals, and I,

I feel every one of them deserves consideration.

I would like for every one of them to be fulfilled.

We know that for those that are elderly who have been getting short end of the stick for so long, they feel that

to dodge a lack of commitment, a lack of interest, or concern when we do not fulfill all requests on the ground and we cannot afford some of them.

But I know, I have also found, talking to various groups, interest groups across the country, and all of our poll shows that that group

that has by far, that gives by far, the strongest support to our new economic policy, which has for its purpose stopping the rise of the cost of the arts and the real estate market.

That group that is most greatly interested in getting property tax home are the owners.

And that consistent with those bills,

Therefore, I'm going to speak to you not only in terms of some areas where we can and must act now.

I'm also going to speak very candidly about areas where we cannot act now because action on desirable matters or any desirable programs, which would have the effect of

busting the budget, and raising and shutting off the new inflationary spiral would be in the interest of some, would be detrimental to the interest of the majority of Americans, and particularly the majority of the elderly people whose spending incomes are fixed.

And I would start off with a little total canon.

I'd say that I come before this group, this conference, feeling deeply, personally and deeply committed to the goals we've set forth, because I have seen

I know our older citizens tend to be of all the so-called minority groups in this country.

tend to be the forgotten Americans.

We read and hear about the young, whom I was proud to speak of yesterday, as we should.

I never have in my childhood.

About this minority group and other minority groups.

All of the people that have given their lives to the country, frankly, haven't received either the attention or they have not received what they should.

Now, that's a very partial truth when you say that, and I assure you it doesn't.

Now, second, in view of this, in view of that attitude, and in view of the fact, quite candidly, that we are coming into an election year,

I would say why not promise the moon and remember Apollo 13 but anyway see that and I must say it would be tempting to do so but I don't do that because I do not want to make a promise I cannot make

I think some kind of a beginning I've got could be useful.

What do you think?

I don't know.

It might be useful for talking to the country.

It'll go right down the tube as far as the Khrushchev's and those are concerned.

But maybe not.

We always talk this way.

That's my standard thing.

I do it with labor, and I do it with race.

But why not go to 30 older?

Why not to Bosch?

That's all right.

Now, I have an idea on your medical friend, which may help.

Harlan was mentioning this morning that older folks do get special races.

Special rates of bulletins, special rates of transit, tokens, and so forth and so on.

Why not?

It's a little bit frightening, I mean, why not say that?

The free thing, to me, is horrible.

Nothing ought to be free.

And second, because even Medicare ought to be free, you know what I mean?

Why don't you do it?

You have one hell of a time getting to pay a little.

And that's the main thing.

Why not from second heaven?

But I believe that it's very magical that we should have it.

Now, this is one where the President of Congress will want us, but that doesn't bother me too much if we step out.

But where I believe is because the cost of there, and then if the person gets older, there's cost for prescriptions, for drugs, and so forth, escalating.

It's a much greater burden.

that we should provide.

A federal... You may find a different word for subsidy.

Maybe you can.

But a federal...

I believe we should have a federal level of aid provision that under Medicare may be done.

But where... Should we say half cost?

Well, we can say cost share and...

That we share the cost.

Yeah.

That we share the cost.

And that this is the meaning.

So that we'll be within their means.

And where it is, and where it involves the enormously expensive drugs, that catastrophic

You see what I'm playing with here?

I know that all of them come down hard.

Do you think this will help any?

Yeah, I think it might.

Let me get into work on this and see realistically how this will affect.

Let me read you the rest of these because he gives us four options.

I'm giving you the first one because it's sort of a foundation.

Then his second option is that plus some high visibility items.

They have a volunteer program for the elderly.

across $10 million.

I told him to go ahead with that because that's in the line of our volunteers.

Foster Grandparents Program, again, $10 million.

I told him to go ahead with that.

That's 16,000 more foster grandparents.

It's a pretty good thing.

Now, these are very, he says, very popular.

Don't put in just

Do we have to put in those minuscule amounts?

No, no.

I believe the dollar's out, but put in the program now.

He's got some other big ticket items as auction free.

Well, pension reform doesn't really help us.

I don't think pension reform helps me.

Now, not in terms of what we want.

These folks are already down.

That's for young people.

That's right.

But can I suggest to you that on what I have written here, rather than giving it to my client, my kid, Andrews, tell him, all right, Andrews is so much quicker than most of my styles.

All right.

Let him dash down and see.

All right.

All right, I'll do it.

And tell him, you've got an introduction.

All right, let Andrews work his speech.

He says there's another item here, which is the extension of the reason I can give a little bit of a sense of the thing here.

Heathrow is the sign that Heathrow doesn't have the rhetoric ability.

All right.

Eyeglasses, dentures, and hearing aids under Medicare is a big ticket item.

And he said it would be very popular.

What is it?

Oh, what?

That's free, you mean?

That would be, no, it would be under the Medicare coverage, and usually that is not free.

That's a, that's a partial payment thing.

I don't see what he tells me, though.

Maybe they always bother me.

Let's see.

It isn't under Medicaid, no.

Extension of Medicare eyeglasses, dentures, and hearing aids could be financed within the overall financing of H.R.

1.

Let me ask you, John, what is the reaction to doing that among other people?

I mean, what do you mean?

Is there... Not on the elderly?

Yeah, are there a lot?

What I mean, no, but just, frankly, the responsibles.

What are the responsibles?

Is it a bad idea or not?

I can't answer that.

I don't know.

I'd like to know what we're buying.

The total cost of that is $85 million.

How much does it cost?

Eye care, eyeglasses, dentures, dental care, everything.

Yeah, yeah.

I think both people would buy that.

He says that's a low ticket item compared to this prescription thing.

Now, let me go back on him and say, all right, figure out for me some kind of a deductible or a partial sharing arrangement for prescription.

And let's compare the two in terms of manageable costs.

Maybe we can do both.

So that's a prescription.

It's what, a billion?

Yeah, it's a billion.

Well, I'd take the billion core if we could.

It's a sure purchase basically.

There's so many other things we could do.

A little over a billion dollars.

What concerns me about that, is that free prescription?

Let me ask you, philosophically, does it bother you as a minority or not?

Well, it's a British thing, and I think you're exactly right on that.

It eats away at the fiber of the thing.

Now, a lot of these people, and I think you have to have an exception for somebody who's totally destitute.

If he hasn't got any money, you're not going to spit it in his eye and say, you know.

Well, why don't we do that?

Why don't we break it out?

You could do that.

Let's have it arrived and keep for a person who is politically or is what they have to have a definition for.

That's right.

We should say that that prescription should be at no cost.

But for the guy who's retired on Social Security and he's got a check coming in, there's no reason why he can't share it.

But then there's something like a step-up program, but it kind of goes around the cost up to a certain point.

Maybe that's what we're trying to do.

All right, let me work on that and get some numbers and get them by George so that we're sure he's a board member on the budget side.

Yeah.

Okay, good.

And then I'll call Andrews and give him the same program.

We're going to take the, we're going to call this the weekend, you know.

And I think that what we will do is to, rather than go to keep it, rather than go to the camp daily, because it's been so long, but I think we'll just go down after we look at the old woman on Thursday afternoon.

We're going to be okay.

Yeah, it would be better for me in terms of trying to get some of that stuff that I'm trying to produce.

And for you, the rest of you, you've got a great house down there.

You'll all sit around and guess.

That's fine.

Go over and see me in the morning.

Fair enough.

I'll be partway Thursday anyway.

I'll be out in North Carolina.

Wouldn't that be a nice... Yeah, that'd be great.

It'd be good for George to sit out and do that.

Now, if I mentioned that to you this morning, that's very fine.

And I've got another thing that I'd like to spend maybe a half hour with you on this weekend, and that's the state plan.

Well, I've got a list of questions over there that I want to get into with you sometime.

I'd rather not do that.

One thing you will have to do, I should mention to you, is I saw Don out there.

Don will be back this weekend.

Third, fourth, fifth, sixth.

The situation is desperate.

Don is concerned about Eddie's, you know, he's off of that bullshit ground.

He really ought to have a job market, a rough job market.

I don't know what was happening.

He had gone to the States.

Well, let me check.

I haven't been in touch with him since I got here.

Maybe then.

Maybe.

That's a good idea.

But here's the thing that I have told Don to talk to you about today.

Don, of course, always runs into me.

He lives in Newport.

Yeah.

He's a Navy captain.

And he's apparently a different kind of enforcement writer.

What could be, apparently, if it's about half of what he says, it's a new filter system for filtering oil and water.

It is so good, it may be a trend right now, it's about to get purchased, or at least purchased, and so forth.

And, of course, commercially, it could be quite something.

But it's a, it's a, this moment is the biggest breakthrough since this, this sign was given to me.

So I told God, well, first, check with Erwin, who would, would ask, you know, what the hell is going on.

Second, the question is to see if David would like to ask Eddie to come with him to work with him to do part of the job there.

Now, I said to Don, well, that's fine, but the best thing would be for him to come with an actor to give them a kill.

My view is that they ought to be able to, I don't know, maybe that isn't a good idea.

On the other hand, you can't really, you can't, I suppose, deny him the chance to work in the field, which is his own field, which is his own field.

So he and Eddie are coming back to one of the Navy's indoctrination things in Pensacola over this next weekend.

I told them that they could come back to Washington to see you.

They do come this next weekend.

I would like for them to drop by and see you there.

I'm not sure that this particular thing is as good and is as far along as he believes it is.

I haven't seen no reason why any of this wouldn't come.

I don't know.

Let me get them done.

Let me find out.

Let me do that.

Let me find out.

And that's fine.

I'll also find out the status of the state of Washington.

John, it's all the same.

We're going to get some of the partners.

We're going to get the company of the government.

He's got a lot of ability.

He's a good man.

He's just a god damn shame that happened in Alaska.

They've done that so well.

Did the phone company thing, was that a dead end for him?

Is that why he left the phone company?

Dead end.

They have a lot of stuff going on in the environment.

But his abilities are extremely good and disgusting.

It would be good for you if he were doing something in the environment.

Yeah.

And he has a good reputation in the Seattle area.

Incidentally, the oil of Walkerton is bad for the environment.

Not bad at all.

It's right on.

It's right in.

You're going to have an oil spill bill down here to sign one of these days, which is your bill.

And it's a good one.

And so it's right along that line.

Well, if this can work out, I'd like to see it crack at it.

If you would have your secretary give Don a call here and tell him when is he going to be the presidential chairman, and he'd flip the floor, rather than putting me to watch out for the most hilarious moment, right?

I've been reading your memorando, Buston.

I think it would be time well spent just to sit and gasp at him for an hour.

I don't think that I want, it's something that I want to draw from the state of the earth.

If I'm going to see that one, if there are any other, and I'll just play there.

Oh, is it that way?

I don't know.

I'm sorry, I got it.

I do feel that we have this whole bullshit.

We should throw out the little care at the property.

But the AGW guy had a little story about how we were working on an education taxation thing.

He was very vague on it.

Good.

And he just kind of whirled it around a little bit.

And he doesn't have the meat of the coconut, but he obviously picked something up from Well, that's the way to do it.

I figure that

You know, looking back on our, some of the things we've done, while it's a terribly cruel thing to do, you can't fix it at all, but on a flight, we're probably better advised to choose very professional travelers.

When you come down this street, of course, not all people are going to say that I'm a fool, shit about it, but I bet there's a lot of people doing it.

terrible, and they had birds looking forward and so forth and so on.

You know, we didn't plan it quite that way.

We planned it to a certain extent that way.

We were just trying to make sure at this time that we got all these people out there, in front of Christ, they were looking at them, and then we threw down the field, across the goal line, and it was a hell of a thing.

That was what it was.

And we knew that by the time the press got through,

I don't know, massacred those poor bastards.

Got a lot of the press in their pants now.

The butts then, they...

I don't think you...

I don't think you'd believe this at the moment.

I've thought about it, and I'm really conscious of it.

Any alternative to the truth.

The reason is, if you give them blood, they're gonna go after you.

But then when we do get through, then I think, rather than butts doing the nice things for agriculture, I better do it.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah.

I'm not sure the secretary, I don't think the popular secretary is necessarily what we need.

It's the popular president.

What's the question?

It's hard to know what to do.

You talk about money.

What to do about funds?

With it, once you get it, it burns.

You're going to have to let it cool off for a while.

He's got a lot of them.

He's going to want to vindicate himself.

You know, he has to do all over again.

I don't know.

I think he certainly would have been somebody in the proposition.

CBS had a piece on Connolly yesterday.

It's got me kind of thinking along this line.

I know.

He's very compatible.

I don't know if he's ever been a dirt farmer, but it wouldn't matter.

So it wouldn't matter.

Gene was.

Yeah, that's right.

He had the red clay under his fingernail.

Well, that's probably out of the question.

It's a second choice.

He would have taken it.

It was interesting.

I ran into Mike Wallace here a week or two ago at a party, and he told me he was doing this.

And he said, John Connolly's got a brother down there that looks more like John Connolly than John Connolly does.

And he said, where do you see this guy on television?

And he's a hell of a guy.

Tall, spare, cowboy, looks a lot like Connolly, but much thinner through the face.

And he said, my brother can do anything he says he's fine with.

Women, money, position, anything.

And surprisingly, he was a pickle.

And George Christian, very strong.

He said, I don't care what party.

He said, I'd follow him wherever.

Yeah.

I was having a party up here, a brunch Saturday morning for some of these Texas friends.

Very fast.

We'll find it soon.

You registered on the Friday?

Pardon?

Was he invited?

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm glad you did.

Go to that one.

Come down for it.

Well, I mean, that or I might just come up for it.

I don't know.

Well, we'll see.

But he was invited.

I don't know.

Detections are a breed of crime.

They're ballsy, strong, ruthless, cocky.

Number one on all efforts.

Yeah.

Connelly is just one of them.

It's not a breed.

They are the lividest.

And they're effective.

They're just as bad as they can be.

Which I think that Johnson was their man.

because he wasn't basically a decent enough man.

He had too many small callers.

He had some great callers, but too many small.

And he spoiled his support, in a sense.

You hear people, when they listen to Connelly speak, and they say, God, he sounds just like William Johnson.

And then there's a sort of a tinge to it that sometimes creeps in.

Yeah, Johnson's poisoned the world.

Or if you take Connelly just on his own, as he was set on,

Well, he had a great conviction to fight life over.

But there were some things he didn't include in particularly.

He was pretty complex about it.

He knew he didn't want to do something that surrounded the point of the wood.

Well, he sniffs the wind.

He tries to find out what's going on.

And finally...

He's always buzzing.

Every once in a while, I'll get a crack at him in the cabin while we're waiting for him.

Before we come in, I'll say, Mr. Secretary, where are you on this?

He'll say, well, I kind of lean this way.

Then he'll go into a meeting and he'll sniff and sniff and sniff.

He very seldom ends up on that same course.

He's vectored it all out.

I feel now that we're on the right track, Mr. Secretary.

I'm very comfortable with that.

I feel much better than just floating it outside and being killed.

Now, Cohen suggested doing it that way for a different reason.

I know.

He wants to kill him.

I know.

But it turns out that it serves our purpose, too.

Yeah.

At the best of both worlds.

I think we're going to end up with it.

I know there are no illusions about where Treasury is at.

I think we can be with them on it for a distance.

Yeah, and we could be with them, and we'll have common, and we'll have common begins to hear all of it.

Turns out when we get popular, all of a sudden, we'll be coming out fourth around May or June.

Unless it strangles somewhere along the line.

It may strangle, but right now, it's too small that we're not on it.

I think about June or July, we stick to the thing out there.

But what I'd like to do now is get Colson and Bob

two or three others, Ziegler and some others in, and just plan this thing step-by-step where we go for the next two or three months, who says what, and how far we'll go, and kind of get our way down.

I talked to Heidner about putting some of it into your speech.

That's what I mentioned.

I did want to lift the curtain on it.

Right.

So I gave him just a point where I was worried.

He's got to put in something indicating how old folks bear the burden.

He's got that.

So many have it together.

That's where he bears it.

He's got to get the numbers on that.

And that there must be, and then I can say there must be property tax relief.

And this would be particularly where there's already tax relief.

And we can talk about tax relief on income taxes and all the rest, but property tax relief would kill the old folks.

They have, in particular, as we move toward an area of more ownership, we argue, well, that's...

They keep these in their homes.

They drive them in their homes.

Well, what I meant is, by ownership, I'm not living in a home.

Rather than living in a home.

Yeah.

Rather than living in a hospital.

That's what I get.

That people cannot afford to live in their homes.

Their property taxes eat them alive.

They're going to...

Therefore, we need a new tax system, and so forth, and so forth.

And it's something that we're going to scream and yell and know that well.

This article in Kelly's World yesterday said, the Democrats in this town have a bad name.

It said they dreamed that one of these days, the National Assembly would propose federal supported education for the value added tax.

It's a name.

So keep your, let me promise you to keep your, uh,

Well, what would you think about this as an approach?

Maybe, I'd like to give him, frankly, an exclusive tour in our athletic field.

All right, we can do that.

But as far as timing is concerned, it's awfully awkward to launch this thing until McElroy comes in and sees it.

Oh, yeah.

And that's why it isn't going to be in the stadium.

We can just simply say that McElroy, then he can write down the variety column of McElroy.

And the McElroy Report is expected to show a terrible crisis for public schools, terrible crisis for private schools.

Already, the Mexican people are under very close touch.

They're trying to think about it in the back of their minds.

And it is Holmes who say with great authority that we are going to see evaluated the story of revolution, of condemning the tax reform.

It's the adoption of the income tax.

Yes.

Nixon has described this heavily in his book.

The president, talking to the tenement, said, this I want to be the most significant tax reform.

It's the adoption of the income tax.

I think that's demoralizing.

And that it's not more taxes, but shifting the burden from the property tax system.

I think it's good that you, that it would be helpful if you could relate that up to, and tell it, talk some, talk about how your, if you go all the way, if you want to, if you can't be the kid with the McElroy name, not really, then that's what you want.

And I'll put that McElroy thing off.

Oh yeah, that's no problem.

I'm sending Lou Engman up to Cincinnati to see McElroy.

I'm going to lay this out for him.

And indicate to him the direction.

Then we're going.

Without telling him what to do.

I think by osmosis we will end up with... Now do you think by putting out these little plates of pills we're going to jump on this?

I don't think he can.

But if he does...

If he does, realize we really want to share it.

Yeah, it's our idea.

Share it up.

Sure.

See, we're more likely, if we really want it, we're more likely to get it by doing it this way and adding pills to it than we are to put it up.

Right.

Well, and as a matter of fact, I don't think he can reconstruct this unless he can steal our work.

I didn't think that he could reconstruct this.

So he took his staff and said, I want you to figure out a lingo between value added and education.

It would be a miracle if they could stumble on it.

I think what Joe would like, and we'll look it on, and you can say,

Joe, I was just watching the president, and I figured, I think the way you could talk, you could describe him in this way, the president, he's so enthusiastic about this, and the conversation, what kind of president, what kind of president, what kind of president, what kind of president,

In terms of what we do, what we do, John, for all folks,

has a 50% or an 80% better chance to pay off the boats than what we do on the environment.

Now, we think that'll help, but it's basically a defensive action.

We think that other things would help.

Do you see my point?

Okay, and I'm going to get back to your thing.

On the busing thing, I will talk to Bickel.

As I understand it, though, Bickel does favor the legislative room.

That's correct.

Do you?

Yes.

He's written up.

He's right there.

I saw the paper he cut down.

Before he comes in, he may want to read that to see what he's got in mind.

But he comes down on the legislative end.

If you think it can do something.

Yeah.

Have you seen Bickel's?

When was he put in?

In that evening.

Maybe not.

Wouldn't hurt.

Or now.

No.

I think maybe you could make it even a special message.

Yeah.

Send it up as part of your legislative package.

on the right side of that.

The constitutional amendment, I hear, will not apply.

Well, I think, too, that it, I must say, that I, as deep as the issue is, if I were a government arrest, I could do it, but I can't see a president simply turning his back on Brown and everything else.

That would really do it, right?

Nobody could write a constitutional amendment broad enough

It would have to be without, say, we reject the court of the United States.

On the other hand, legislation would be narrower.

We'd say we're for all this.

Is that what you do?

That's what that's... Yeah, I think we'll try to reconcile.

So, in my guess, sometimes you tell our end, that we'll be looking for some kind of... Oh, all right.

All right.

Oh, I should have asked him about the pay increase for federal employees.

Do you know the person who set it up?

I think Schultz was one of the people.

Maybe you ought to wait a minute.

Yeah, he wants to know.

Well, George and I, they met on it for about an hour.

Did they?

Yeah.

Oh, really?

And we have kind of a wishy-washy position.

All right.

Like all compromises, I'm just deaf on the thing.

Georgia believes that it can be gotten out of the way, that we can pass something.

Well, what you do is you fight it.

Well, to my own advice, I'd just go right hard down on the Congress River.

Hard down?

Which it'll do.

Yeah, or if you thought it would strike a deal, you would make one more compromise.

Maybe you'd take that.

But you would get everybody's understanding that that was going to be it for the year.

Oh, yeah.

See, the problem is that George is living under the impression, which Gifford is now disabusing him, that by 1795, on the 5th of January, throughout the 18th of October, he'd have to fight.

He'd have to fight that out.

He'd have it all over.

You're talking about paying increases for the federal employees.

Yeah.

Are you changing mine?

I'm not changing mine.

I'm not changing mine either at the moment, and I don't feel it.

I'm just looking for marching orders at this point.

Well, the difficulty with this is that Dr. Ford said, you know, the amendment is up.

That puts into effect 5.5% starting January 1, and the language is very ambiguous as to what it does to the second increase on October 1st.

Well, by design, I think it leaves open the possibility.

My worry, yes it does, my worry is that Congress will pass this and then come back again in the fall.

At that time, I'd rather see us in a position to say, fine, let's give it to him as a catch-up.

We don't want to be fighting anymore, too.

But I hate my job to give it to him now or whatever, but you can't beat the partner.

But you don't need to join him.

That's where your position is.

The thing we talked about at the end of the day was given to it for a year.

They're giving it to them now and swapping it for an agreement not to go over accountability in the fall.

But they won't do that anymore.

They won't accept that.

Well, even if they did, there's enough ambiguity in the legislation that they could agree to it and come right back to the floor.

I mean, that's what the budget was.

Basically, John, the pay board hasn't set 5% for everybody anyway.

That's right.

That's only the ceiling of an average.

It's only an average ceiling.

That's right.

Every ceiling.

Some are going to have more, some are going to have a little less.

Is this true?

Yes.

Oh, yes.

That's right.

That's how they rationalize the code.

They say, well, we've got more, but some of the others are going to have less.

The difficulty is that the federal employees, by statute, had to not defer their increase, but we've got 6%.

So the Bay Board would probably look at that and say, well, that was coming from them.

Why don't we just take that?

No.

Throwing it in the pay bar isn't very illegal.

If you throw it in the pay bar, you know the pay bar won't allow it, and that means it might be allowed.

What Schultz has recommended is that we quietly lobby without indicating overt support for an April 1 compromised date, and try to get an understanding, but have our eyes wide open that it might not stick.

right with the understanding that they cannot go for the october if they do then we just have to that's we just have to face that at the end of at least we value three months and we make the 515 closer this october which may make them more often to re-raise the page only six months after we've got the morning and if we could quietly log into that

I think right now, it's far more important.

And acceptance.

That means that we've given up.

That's worse.

What we may be able to do is that those will have to come and screw it up.

I don't know what you're saying.

Yes, it is.

And hope that in the process of letting it, we can get a three-month delay to chase the attack.

For which there is logic.

You haven't said to make some sense to me.

You know, that's good.

Every month, that's good.

Every month is a, every month of keeping is to, is to pray to God.

You know, and it's, and it's that old one, but, you know, you can argue with one, but it really is the same.

So if you're in a 90-day period, it's more important to take the bed over this 90-day period.

That is equal treatment.

You know, let's try that.

Fair enough.

That'll be the last one.

All right.

If we could work Friday morning, we could get the budget and put it down.

All right.

And I'll be at Duke, and I will just go down.

I think we'll have a plan on Friday morning.

All right, fine, fine, fine.

Do what you would call it.

But my view is, if you could, that's good.

Wow.

Maybe I should share that.

Yeah.

The bulls that are parading out of there in Wolfsburg.

They went up again.

Closed up 13 points.

How much did it get stocked by?

In fact, it was a little bit of a crowd that had taken it up.

Hardly enough, I thought that would have happened.

19 million shares traded.

And the bulls almost 830.

But the attitude is pervasive.

It's changed.

It's funny how it's changed.

Just like this.

There's no goddamn reason not to think the world isn't any different today.

The economy isn't any healthier or less healthy.

It's just that all of a sudden the attitudes have improved.

It's a combination of three things.

One is that the market is truly not as oversold.

Secondly, the mutual fund shares are now picking up.

They look at it as a very healthy parameter.

You mean they're beginning to sell?

Yes.

People are buying mutual funds now.

Yeah.

And there's a net gain.

So the mutuals will have more money to buy.

Plus it shows more and more of a little bit of investor confidence.

Exactly.

The third item is the industrial production figures.

Our leading business indicators have probably had a hell of a lot more effect than we thought.

And I think that everyone has been out time and again and haven't had a goddamn bit of effect.

Well, the reason that they did in this case was that everybody expected with the freeze and with the market going down, that it wouldn't, that we had a lot of expansion.

And the indicators going up heavily as they did, people know there's a very bullish time.

And, of course, New Orleans has been widely interpreted as a settlement with the international community of monetary security.

I knew they would have that effect.

To the extent that issue has been affecting Andy Smart's innovation, I was going to go on.

And you can't have a historic group of people.

And that issue has had an effect.

That's just kind of added to the uncertainty.

It hasn't voted with the nation.

So I think if they see that, they have to do it.

Well, as they read the record statement tomorrow, I'm cool with that.

On the other hand, they have to realize, well, this is kind of a con.

That's right.

If you could make another case, you could also go back to the Kennedy years, and when you look at the business community's growth, you look at one of the things they are struggling with.

Look at the impact of the investment tax credit when Kennedy put into effect, it took three years, more than any percent of the investment.

The business community is not relying very heavily on the investment tax credit.

The automobile excise room, I think, is the problem.

That's the thing.

There's no question there isn't.

But there are the auto dealers.

Now, you've got your crew pretty working nowadays, and it's a weird con to the end.

Does it scare them yet?

Do they see the point that they're going to get a veto tax bill?

Yeah, I think now they do.

I think that it would be comfortable.

Well, as I said, I've been catching crew.

I've stopped going to Washington.

I'm going to the Archie Davis.

I'm going to get to the principal.

I was really glad that he was getting a little more, a little more stimulation out of it.

Getting out of all the other companies to get to their dealers, get to their dealers.

Most people are pulling cars on the expectation that they would get a refund.

In the case of American Motors, we've got a lot, and that's a hell of a deal.

I think that's enough pressure on the Congress right there.

Part of the order is pretty powerful, yeah.

And I think that if you meet with this person, you have to meet with them.

If it comes down to that, it's general.

I'll meet with them, yeah.

But I think that the Congress will go back to the other one.

You know what I'm saying?

It's got too many people.

It's got two and a half people.

I don't know.

What?

We need to counter that very, very hard, because it's kind of the old case that we are dependent on that kid, investing interest money, and we look back over the years, and there's been a huge campaign, and now we're doing a great success.

I think there's no exception.

Every year, they spend as much as they're willing to do for one reason or another.

You're not doing this because of any benefit.

It comes out of that.

I'm afraid that you can't do it.

You probably can't win doing it.

And I'm afraid that in an immediate battle, you're going to lose your chance to win.

I think you'd better try it.

And we've got to count it, but the way he counted it is his first count.

And he said, well, the Democratic Party has the candidates and you, and you've got to look at the money.

That's the most effective way to do it.

He's been using it.

He's got a bunch of options, but he just gave me a current vote.

And he said that all of the media has gone to the government.

He doesn't have the hospitals.

He called in the nurses.

He called in this doctor who happens to be a woman.

And he did it on a few fronts.

And he only done it on a few times.

So it was justifying his confidence in my health.

It was a way, very, very heavily on his mind.

And it was like when this doctor first, when he first came in to see me, he kept me there an hour depending on his confidence.

And he wasn't rude.

He wasn't discreet.

He was...

I heard it the last time we talked.

Just incredibly good.

Oh, all across the country.

half-pages of letters together.

It was just, you know, all I got was a re-fark just for him.

In fact, I only saw one.

I skimmed through, maybe 20, I don't know, maybe 30.

And I only saw one letter, and the whole bunch was critical to me.

And every other one was just raising hell with me.

And of course, I don't make this mistake.

I just make a jury vote.

They were pretty heavily here, but they're heavily on our, heavily in our way, but you know what I mean.

You've got to say, and the political cartoons, the cartoons, which I think have more wealth, are all here in the prison.

They're just as good as the one at the time.

One of them did a wrap-up article, generally quite positive, saying that in the public battle, he would come out and he would lose his right guard.

And an absolutely devastating hurricane.

He was surrounded by apes.

And he's sitting there saying, I was really sure to him that we really dropped out this public battle.

I saw one piece where we're selling.

I can't believe that's correct.

I don't believe it.

I don't think it means that.

I don't think he's that far gone.

No, I think he's good.

He's a bad good partner, but I think he just overplays it.

I think he knows it.

The only reason now that he's from the Russian ones is because he knows that more than the Russians.

But some of his children, he was out of the court this year.

And he had a lot of his friends and people who aren't his friends.

Labor cuts, kind of things like that.

And thank God he didn't get killed.

He was able to do it.

He was a liability to do it.

Congratulate him for this.

He experienced this race.

I don't think he can recover, no.

But sitting next to his throat wasn't hurting him as much as it did.

He was just so proud of him.

I don't know if that was the first time he hurt himself, but the killer episode was so emotional and so visible.

I don't know if it was the first time he hurt himself, but I don't know if it was the first time he hurt himself.

Cameras were all on here.

And he was surrounded by, you probably didn't see it, but he was surrounded by a group of people.

I'm supposed to know who that is, including one of those guys who I didn't recognize.

He leaned over to me and said, get a hug.

And I said, well, no, I guess it's me.

So we went on to act two, just killing him.

I couldn't even look at him, but he was a little more effective.

Great.

I still feel this presently, but if there were any way the probe would do it, then I...

Yeah.

I'm just not sure that

I think one of the clear liabilities of doing any of this work is that all of our women, everyone, I think that is a clear negative.

That's why we go for it.

I always thought that if you do it, they should.

Well, I agree, but I guess I don't think men around them think they can.

Well, see, they thought, the sentiments thought they were going to, you know, it was one way or the other.

It was one way or the other.

They feel that the blood of the girl wouldn't have been fits for me.

It's not, of course, not in their ears.

I have no choice.

Yeah.

And I know, I've heard that argument, but I don't quite buy it to the same extent.

I think you can't get around, well, it's a parole board, they bring it down, now they allow them, and that's that.

We have not a lot of anything to do with it.

You know, I think we can get that very hard.

The president's executive clemency is right in our, is right in our hearts.

Well, I do agree that you agree.

I mean, it just makes it tough, Joe.

It makes it a little tough.

If it hadn't been for the meaning thing, I mean, we'd have been climbing together by and a half.

We'd play with our people and our children.

The meaning thing, a lot of people say, a lot of these wires, they stand on top of labor.

That's so important.

And the editorials.

Read what they're saying around the country.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

That's the courage.

That's the...

On the editorials, they lean, as I expected them to, much more heavily on the point that means discourtesy.

Some of them are getting the presidential leadership, but that's so forth and so on.

Oh, yes.

In fact, I mean, I'm assuming

I will say that it's serious.

Some cases put much more grab on me.

Others put much more grab on me.

The courage to go to my enemies and tell them that it's worth it.

And this is going to be very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,

A lot of the same line.

Why not a male?

Or a brother?

I don't know.

It must be courageous to be admired.

It is a courageous statement.

In the face of the overwhelming public condemnation, the public condemnation and so forth.

It must be done.

Does that appeal to you very much?

Do you think it's doable?

Yeah, that was good.

It was all right.

He was saying that it was the only thing to eat.

Well, what he said is it's the only kind of transition that respects the politics we're in here, the kind of transition.

And if the president can't take the heat, he should as well do it.

He ought to get out of the kitchen by now.

Yeah, I think we did have some fun with it.

We did it.

We did a real job on that person.

It did have some fun.

We sent out 20,000, 20,000.

But nothing was foolish.

I mean, what's the foolishness of this person?

They're urging that they run it.

We are happy to see that Senator Ed Muskie, a likely Democratic candidate, has come out to strong support of us.

I think it's time to continue to oppose Muskie.

As a citizen, you should try to get an education from us in order to do the right thing.

Senator Muskie is very capable of that.

He stands for sure.

I don't think you'll go for a while without having a little conversation.

You've got a very good Polish language.

I don't know how to do that.

But this guy must be doing the same thing.

He may be doing a lot of muscly things.

Well, I think especially with the male into some of the most sophisticated groups.

Yeah, college and suburbanite types, yeah.

Where he tends to be stronger than a person.

I've hit it to the business community.

That's when we even get some of the Julian on.

I found a blaster of people I've gotten at all.

Oh, hell.

You said they were serious.

They signed this and they signed this.

And when some of his other Democratic candidates were silent, they said, everyone must be defending me.

Always be accounted for.

Be in the sight of what you're doing.

And it's true, too.

I've stepped into it and tried to do it without getting caught in the lane of the car.

And I think that's it.

Yeah.

That's it.

Oh.

Yeah, the market's curious.

Great.

Not a bad thing.

I'm going to go to my city.

All that you say, you know that you can change.

I didn't understand.

It's a very curious thing, but you can do it by reading the media.

The trade deficit for our food were 20% of the story.

Yet when you read the content, it wasn't.

Television coverage.

Television is way off the account, except CBS has been on the channel for a long time.

The, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the whole page spread on the biggest buying season for Christmas this year.

So if you follow the times, we've got a similar chart showing it going like this.

You know, but you've raised a very, a very

That was the point, but if they do, I wonder how badly it would hurt.

I wonder how badly it would hurt.

I think they will give us the, I just think, by God, they're going to give us the, I don't know.

They have to.

There'll be too much pressure on us today.

It might take the best of them.

They'll probably be able to say, I don't know, they'll get the tax.

I don't know.

Well, the personal.

They might do this to the personal.

They'll be doing this to the personal in the beginning.

So maybe that's all right.

That adds to the purchase.

The medicine tax credit rankings are firing.

What you don't want to do is to do this to the individual deductions.

That will stimulate the economy of medicine.

That's right.

If this Christmas still is the way everybody's now breathing, that is the only situation where you just have to raise your kids.

You know, I've been praying for a shitload of time.

Did Burns do that?

Where else did he do that?

Oh, can you look over here?

Henry would tell him about it.

He's on Connelly's side.

Schultz.

Schultz is on Connelly's side.

And he would, yeah, he's an honorable man.

And the other four.

It's a very, very rough fight.

On the other hand, Archer, he says he's going to lose that money.

I've got him down.

I've got it recorded.

Every which way you can.

I pledge I will do it.

All right, Archer.

I'm not going to continue on.

I'm going to follow you.

You're going to move the money.

Yes, sir.

Well, if he does, that's better than if it's overpriced.

And then they can consider it.

The money supply is better than the investment tax credit.

That's what I mean.

But for Christ's sake, that's what I mean.

How about this Democratic children's candidate for their children's private schools?

Not because that makes a devotion.

I think it's a vicious attack they made on me.

I just went to a reception with the Republicans and everything.

All of those were all country crimes.

Christ, they gave me humbleness.

Those were all where they had the national open.

Discriminatory against Jews.

Do you know any that don't?

Very few.

Not a cent.

And there are lots of Jewish governors, and Gentiles.

Sure, some have open burning trees.

Totally discriminatory.

That's where Stuart Sinek and Bill Fulbright and all of God damn much play all the time.

I don't put them there.

I'm a member of an honorary department.

Now, these Democratic candidates sending their children to private schools, that might be a real good way to jab the busing issue.

And to say, hypocrisy in busing was an inflammatory issue.

Here's what the Democratic candidates do.

They must be sending their children to private schools.

We've checked them all.

Kennedy does.

Well, it isn't with my, I don't think it is with Muskie.

We checked his, but they're all, they're Virginia's food, Muskie's.

Now, anyway, I hit him with someone.

It's a hell of an issue.

I hit him with Ken Earl, because he's the one who took a surprise hit.

All of his kids have all been friends.

Now, on the action.

You've got somebody working on it full-time, if you can, for example, on attacks on the Democrats.

Democratic candidates are running down America for their partisanship, for their obstruction.

I think only I'm convinced that Mr. Conley, as somebody has said, would quit defending the president, but start attacking him.

Louie Dunn is doing it.

Louie Dunn, can I count on you to follow through on this?

Yes, sir.

All right.

That is great, Mr. President.

I wonder if you can do some writing.

It's great stuff.

I mean, not just the writing, but I mean, the analysis of the PR aspect, what we ought to do.

Like this press conference is a one-on-one or five-on-one plan.

So if we have an enormous amount on our plate, we couldn't do a press conference just for the producers.

We'd be up there talking about butts and meaning and page two.

pay increase and so forth in China, but in China, it's not.

It's not going to happen.

It's going to happen.

Sure.

Well, it's just, and it glows better, like, I don't know.

It's good.

It really is.

And he enjoys it.

Some of it is given for you, you know, when I was, when Mrs. Bonalos is confirming that Edgar's son fell off the list of sons of the Spanish.

and spent a few hundred dollars to take the key to this, but it's a hell of a thing to do.

All the way in, talking about how to package some of our domestic programs next year, and a better way to get a coherent thrust.

He's written some very good stuff.

He's a very talented young guy, extremely talented.

In fact, I use him, I use him kind of basically

kind of point out, or help point out, that he was trying to release someone else.

Very useful.

Does he feel that he's being used with both the past and the present?

I think he feels it's kind of, you know, over-relicensed.

He looks at it, and he stops, and he realizes, and he says, hello.

I mean, he'll pass the word back up to the J.A.

that he's been around for a long time.

So if he runs over the country, he's going to be sincere.

He's a real fun player, isn't he?

He is.

I would pray to one of my senior guys before I would pray to him.

My senior guys don't judge me, but I am bound too often to the clutch.

They just can't tell if I'm a little fast enough.

You know what I mean?

And he does.

Their judgment is excellent in terms of, well, we should do it in this manner.

Our client is probably going to be hit.

I think we've got to go through this.

He doesn't believe I should have R101 on color.

We've got to start using it.

I think you should have different types of president.

He deals very strongly about having a group of students in and asking questions and having a group of working people and asking questions.

Yeah, I know that.

I'm not making it right.

Well, we actually, you know, this day is all over the president.

We're going to tell him next week.

Scali takes credit for the idea, but actually, how I came up with it.

I get a person called Scali.

I have a book, and he said four levels, and I think we're in the process of understanding that.

So there are people who come across as strong as a candid format, where people are talking to you, and you're talking to them, and you're not talking to an audience.

And I think that's a very important point.

I've always thought of my, you know, the interesting thing about it is, over in the

pieces that they needed to show up in the side of the communists that we hadn't potentially tried.

Last week, and the week before, Newsweek 9 featured Ted Young.

This week, both Newsweek 9 had large, full-page pictures of Humphrey saying that he was just about ready to announce that he had made his decision to do this.

But it's not where he is.

Both of them listed for Humphrey as the president for this election.

There has to be some cutting out shot on the other side.

They've got to get at each other.

Absolutely.

There are ways we can help, and we have done that in a couple of occasions.

I'm sorry for it, Mr. President.

Mr. President said that category would be less.

Occasionally, we can step in and take the side if we want to, and it just splits the fight up hard.

When Humphrey saw an opportunity, he defended the group a couple of times.

Yeah?

I can tell you.

And that's what we want to see.

That's what I would like to see right now.

Just do it.

I'm not desperate at this point because I don't settle for one of the garbages.

I have time.

So I make him sleep.

I have a consistent setting for when he's drunk.

So I have two of them.

So it is.

Dropped for a while with Kemper.

I'm the residual candidate.

Well, Kennedy is...

The reason for Husky's Garbage is Kennedy was coming down the storm.

And I absolutely agree with Eric.

People begin to get a little scared of Kennedy.

He's a serious candidate.

The Democrat goes to Muskie.

And that's going to happen all the way through.

I'm pretty sure that's going to be strong.

Muskie will slide.

I'm not so sure that Muskie might be the strongest candidate that today was nominated in weeks for the election.

That's the difference.

I think he's the other way around.

I don't think Muskie is a strong runner.

On the other hand, he is.

He has the broadest position in the government.

Yes, he has.

That's the problem.

If you consider him Catholic, I don't know if you consider him a propolisch aspect of Christmas, because, right, he stays very hard.

He'd be very hard to get, because the biggest weakness he would have is indecisive, vacillating, unsure of himself.

But as a thoughtful guy, he would stay in the center of the world.

I've also watched the pattern unfold.

The places where you gain strength are the places where you don't want to lose strength.

The places where you don't want to lose strength are the suburbs, the suburbs, the independence, the high income.

Of which there are more and more people.

Many more than 70 people in 1968.

He's the only guy that even comes close to hurting himself.

So you think that the black vice president and all that kind of stuff is going to wash down?

Probably.

Those things have to wash down.

That might be true.

That is an error of judgment.

You're focusing on yourself.

You're still looking at the world.

I think it is.

All of them, actually.

They're not really made.

Yeah, good.

I was thinking of having Finch in the report.

What time would you bring him?

I think you have to get him back home.

Good.

Well, that's all.

Thank you.

Why don't you start the sector?

And on bench, maybe we'll come in.

Oh, no, no.

You know, what time are you briefing tomorrow?

Yep.

That isn't announced yet.

Go ahead and check it.

Okay.

All right.

Oh, sure, sure.

Come on.

Everything.

Absolutely.

Okay, Henry.

We'll try a bench tomorrow.

I think you want this to get a hold of Bob's bench.

I've got a cold right now and I don't think it will be a good test.

Yeah, Colson just came in and told me about it.

Went up, went up there and told me about it.

Pretty good day.

Yeah.

Well, I'm surprised that he'll, that's due to the announcement, but I, uh, I'm just trying to get to where I feel like I am.

See?

It's a good time now.

We may react tomorrow, you know.

But we'll see.

Same thing you ran into at the telephone.

It came.

It wasn't up to 950.

No.

Quick.

Yeah.

949.

Did we get that right?

Right.

Is that a good sense?

All right.

I didn't realize the market had gotten this high at 949.

I didn't quite go over it.

Well, it's going to go over another 100 by next month.

Don't you think so?

Yes, except for one possibility, and that is that the market is always anticipating a push.

And I think that they intend to make Marshal a game.

I want to nail him, so I know he's not bad.

It's pretty tight on the team.

Frankly, it's the unemployment.

The consumer angle keeps on contracting.

When I was in the stock market, there was a legal industry inside of that.

I didn't think that kind of industry was going to be that great.

I said, you know, you've got to see a bunch of people.

So I'm getting, I'm getting mixed guesses on what we're going to do this way.

I think even if we're both, you know, if we're both, I think that's not good.

Well, it's supposed to go to 5-1-1.

It's starting to run to each other.

That's not good.

I'd rather have it now start to...

I've been working on some good shows.

Two-thirds of all the adults are using their unemployment compensation as a transitional benefit, waiting to go to school, or waiting for a vacation.

And eventually, if you took them out of the unemployment schools, you'd be down to the unemployment level of 5.4 today.

I'd say we're 5.4 in any country, at least in America.

Hello?

How are you feeling?

Welcome back.

I was thinking that you and her

We ought to have a little talk.

I was thinking here, and you probably agree that we ought to have Henry there.

Henry's tied up in the satchel.

They've been doing something with time.

But what would the situation tomorrow be?

Or do you think maybe it'd be better to do it today?

We've got to have somebody take notes.

Good.

Great.

Well, let me see.

Yeah.

Well, why don't we do this?

You, uh, you be in touch with, uh, I told Holman earlier.

He knows it.

I want to do it today.

So you get her, whenever you and her are ready, you get a hold of Holman.

And then Holman, or Bo, or whoever it is, and work it in so that we can have an hour or something tomorrow.

Okay?

That's right.

Good.

Right.

Sure.

Quite a drill, isn't it?

Oh, yes, it went through.

Yeah.

Well, you check to see whether that is the best day for you.

If it isn't, we'll do it once.

In other words, if you want an extra day, we'll let that be.

That's something that's mainly an issue in her.

Okay.

I'm going to try to see if I can... What's the year, huh?

Well, they are.

It's terribly interesting for everybody who goes.

They'll all do some good.

But for the damn thing to work, and in fairness to those who take it, and to the people themselves, I see them.

I have to see them.

Eisenhower had it worked out better.

He didn't allow it.

They didn't have very much trouble with it.

It just went on for a while.

When people don't come in, they're going to run.

God damn it, that's what they're going to have to do.

Well, we had been very available.

We've done a lot of stuff in Russia.

We'll put him in there as fans for a while, if you know what I'm saying.

We're going to have to change him.

I got it.

I'm

You see, it may be that the psychological list of real recession

Coming to an end, that's what we hope.

Everybody else is like, yeah, I'm ready.

This is what's happening.

I'm on a deal sales in 10 days.

I'm ready.

Last year, I believe the whole bill is having so far.

Yes, it's going on.

It's supposed to be starting.

I don't know.

It may be that they're running through next week.

But the worst of the worst could be the other thing.

I think it is.

They were doing a certain area this week on Friday, and they're setting it more early than that.

That's perfect.

That is perfect.

Henry, I have a note here.

Billy Graham has been invited to go out to see Sean Carson.

He is going.

He's very close to us, you know.

He doesn't know where we are at this time.

And he would like to have a briefing paper.

I told the computer officer he was preparing one.

So if you would, uh, if you would receive a briefing paper and prepare it, and then when he comes

I think that'll be it.

I love the questions.

I just have a very, very nice feeling, by God, about that amount.

At this time, right after the Conquering Union, people who don't separate, we all, all the sophisticates of the Union, all of us outside here, the Harlemers, the laborers, the editorials,

The only thing that he needs is

Something to keep the prologue elements within the features quiet.

I mean, he's afraid to run out on himself.

And Parola, the right-hand guy, is the...

I think it's the best way to do it.

I think I can sell it.

Mm-hmm.

We've got to stick with it.

I know all the temptations to get off of it quick.

Uh, John.

John Connelly.

Uh, he was very strong.

Uh, you know, he looked horrible.

I'd like you to throw this into the training room.

There it is.

Over and out.

You throw it into the training group for the run-of-fives, see what they think of the idea.

We don't have any progression on that, but we might have a build-up on this.

I'm not sure that's a good idea to throw a train into this group.

Yeah, except the Earth Day was...

I mean, rather than going out and cleaning up the parks, I mean, God had to clean up their own houses.

And that's right.

It's a clean-up day, and where every community in the country says we're going to clean up our, and that every citizen says we're going to clean up.

We're going to paint.

We're going to clean up.

We're going to make it shine.

But this has just an idea.

This is something that is to get people to really work on that 80% of the environment in which they live, rather than just the 20% that they live in.

It's just a thought.

Let's throw it at the trains that will come on the line.

I think it is a good idea.

It is unbelievable, these public houses.

They are unbelievable.

Unbelievable, filthy, and as I mentioned, in my field, we're the poor, decent neighborhoods.

We try to keep their place, and they're the decent neighborhoods.

Corvines are bad, too.

Puerto Ricans are bad.

Just drive around this city, we'll be so blessed to have Northeastern.

As of...

I'm wondering if we should put harsh in the work.

Somebody's work on some regular question.

That's a nice question.

What I meant is, first of all, to take our other, our dock track legislation and so forth and give it another push.

Basically, that maybe there has to be now some control on that 3D cross disorder on the other channel.

uh this is something that i want you to do the channels of course it should be raised in the group to the council that i'd like to see what we can come up now is the time to strike the main thing let's keep it alive let's go for some labor let's separate the men from the boys a damn good labor bill could help us on a great deal

with the country.

I think the country would support one now.

What do you think?

It would mainly have to symbolize arrogance and public abandonment of the country's judgment.

The thing we have to be very, very...

I think you're absolutely right.

It doesn't look like we're taking it out on me.

I agree.

I'm not thinking of doing it.

I'm just thinking of doing it.

It's part of our legislative program next year.

We're about several years old.

It's not going to live or die.

I think the thing that worries most

extra unemployment is great.

I think if you really analyze it, it is the threat.

I think that's where I'm really concerned.

Let's go after the strike.

And look at what the department said it hasn't cured because of the reduction.

I think it's not as maybe you can look at what it was.

I think it's not just really real, but the Congress has said on that guy's

Let's tell the early men in Schultz, point out the early men in Schultz and Hutch, what can they do on a prairie basis to get some good labor legislation, dealing with this great problem rather than attacking union organizations.

Everybody's got to apply to this labor solution.

And it's destroyed the public's reason.

And union members, they don't realize.

The role is asked voluntarily, asked for, waited for.

Did anybody think they have a lot of role that I see for me?

It's either that, uh...

It's the third one in the company where the union has done.

Interestingly, also, a lot of local workers have spoken out of it.

If you want to see that nail, you know, where it was just skinning through his bare nose.

He was one of those great folks, you see.

He was a dangerous Brit contemporary, but he got that consummatory piece, you know, on an overbusting dignity of man and all that crap, and that's important.

The country won the businessman for a round of tail for a minute, but it felt like Brennan should appreciate this, and he did.

He talked to Brennan.

We don't want to see some of the people of the right trying to say,

The meaning is labor, and the fact that we have broken with labor, we must not allow, and one of them, I went up to him and said, this completely demolished the group in the White House who had said that we ought to continue to try to work with labor, of course, to show us what we saw.

Now, that isn't true.

I think we've got to say, we've got to get out and counter-strike.

Maybe you have to push for Rizal.

Rizal's got a column to sit on.

You're now in better shape than you were on your bio.

And you had the best take on him.

And you did a great, straightforward developer that is that pitch.

And Rizal always felt that way.

He feels that way.

And he hates him now.

He gives us 95% of his balance in this, from my standpoint, absolutely secure.

He's got it.

I think that this is worth our while, and it's still worth the kids.

You know, you just have to bring in a few new people to talk to, because you think we can do that.

I sense that we are better off with some of these young people, gradually, who are trying to leave from the polls, which is sure to put them well behind.

You know, all right.

You know, at least say that you can help some.

I don't know.

You know, there's no question you're a good, uh,

I think after the training, we will recharge.

And, of course, what's Vietnam is more clearly out of the consciousness.

Well, the end of the draft, not the draft, but the end of the draft leads to Vietnam.

It has a very great effect on them.

There's a totally different mood today among young people than there was six months ago.

There's a lot of that.

And my son, who is a senior professor in Massachusetts, said to me, you know, he realized that you were an excellent professor.

He said, it's the only shit they ever did for you.

Now, he said, if I had the class, you know, sample supporters, that would be very respectable.

You can talk about that.

You're very good at discussing.

And he said that the

All of them believe, to the extent that he has watched junkies, or he's been kicked out of the party.

And he thought, by even talking to them, he said, that one of the things with them that gives them the most is the China thing.

That he's going to be all over them on their own.

So maybe we have something going there with them.

You know, they ought to hear it.

The China-England church is the blue collar of other people.

They're something the college should do.

It helps us relieve.

I can't answer you on a hell of things that we look at, hell of beliefs that we look at, but I don't think he thinks these things are as important as, for example, the idea that there's a hell of a lot more stuff that we have to pay attention to.

The interesting thing is, for the most part, we need to muster

Harris did a breakdown of every category.

He did 20 of them.

He did his best.

He came out, obviously, pleasant, though.

He has must be a 38, 38.

38 for Wallace, 11, I'm sure.

Oh, he has Kennedy, 10.

He's just 55, 29.

49, 37.

29, 30.

I don't know.

Can you explain that universe?

1500, let me see, I must be with 400, I have 45, I haven't even been approached in 50 years.

So, my God, God, I don't like to hear that.

I'm not sure if you hear that.

I don't know.

I was wondering if he says that the president

Any of our people had it, and we were able to check it out.

We got through, we put that up there, and we got the money that it was.

So what we're actually, it was $1,540, and then everybody else got it except for $1,500, $400, it must be, and then $1,440 for everybody else.

Yeah.

That's it.

Okay.

... ... ... ...

Well, most of them, many of them, were good, right?

Yeah, that's all.

Well, he makes the point that his popularity has steadily

there is currently increasing.

You know, that's where we were at the end of 1969.

There was a country that was sold.

And yet, we don't have gallows ships in that country.

I don't do it.

My floor now, that's the other culture.

I don't do it.

Well, it was our own.

You know, the areas I own didn't show a bunch of ships either.

You know, I'm Gallop.

I am now also not the customer.

I did it not to harass either.

But the thing is, in Gallup, I think there is a long, long period.

You know, he's had a customer running him every month.

Let's say two months.

And all of a sudden, he runs two in a month.

You know, the one he did about a seat here, about the workplace person.

He asked the question, completely voted for it.

So the presidential candidate here chose next year to fix it, neither of which is twice presidential.

At this point, he more likely voted for this ticket or less than.

And then he said, because people, 24% said less than, that that proves Muskie was right, I'm sure.

But 13% said more likely, and 57% said no difference.

So you put those two together, it's 70% either no difference or more like it.

So therefore, disagreement must be exactly what his conclusion is.

But then I know that Muskie was correct.

And it just absolutely, you know, the conclusion is different from exactly what's out of the people.

That's right.

Exactly.

He said we didn't make no difference to one another.

So I just, I really, I just have great confidence in the office.

I listened to someone here in Paris, someone here who's definitely an ex-gallonist.

He's an ex-gallonist.

Out of date, that's it.

And he's an ex-gallon man.

He's a friend of an ex-gallonist for every reason.

But out of date, why?

He doesn't ask the right questions.

He doesn't.

He's a questioner.

He's a very good questioner.

And he gives a quick sample.

His field interviews are not well-trained.

They don't probe.

And I think a probe can ask a lot of underlying questions.

You can't tell if the first answer is correct.

Well, in his defense, I will say that these results

There can't be any question of the meaning of it.

It may not affect you to prove it.

Harris

He said it had a galvanizing effect because it was the emotion.

It was the people that were very excited about it.

I don't think he did it on purpose.

He wanted to do something.

He was a Christian Science Monitor reporter.

He traveled through the atmosphere.

He was saying they heard about it.

He kind of did it.

He said it was an animation.

He said it was a recognition for one of them.

One last thought.

Why don't we give a television commentator, any television commentator, an offer in the environmental field?

At the moment, we've got a candidate.

We don't have a vacancy.

that is good enough, but what about on the inside of the guy on top of the train?

That's the only thing we can add to it.

Because television is so important, it creates a position.

Well, I brought up, I brought up now, who told me that he would have a morning forum about a list of all of the ultimate positions in the ground.

Well, something that would be more of a...

All we want to go on is retire the nation.

The idea is that we need color.

We'll hurt people's lives.

Really?

Yeah.

You may say, well, this is the job that we're going to do for sure.

Well, we're not going to do it.

We're not going to do it.

Well, why not?

I never need a man on the bed.

Why don't we have a consultant for TV for the trip?

See?

TV, uh, TV on the environment.

Basically, he's in the educational field and everything.

I mean, so we're paying attention to him.

Just like, uh, one of my accountants here with ABC.

What is it?

Well, he's a producer.

Well, what the hell's he doing?

He doesn't have to do commentary on it.

Here's my story.

If you look at it that way, you'll know what I mean.

Well, I don't know.

I figured we'd get him off of here.

He's not a young guy.

Well, cool.

No, I think CBS has to do it.

At this point, I wouldn't do it.

I'd go to NBC.

NBC.

I wouldn't do it.

I'd go to NBC.

I wouldn't do it.

I have somebody that wants to leave.

In fact, that's the name that we've done in the short.

You know, it's about the environmental people, you know.

You know, Capo's bag is full of rye.

You know, which I understand.

Anybody that's a member of an organization like this, Donald, you know what I mean.

Actually, I'm sure he was here.

He got somebody out of a station out in the country.

What do you mean?

He was in the whole room.

Information.

He was on his program.

Clean up your own backyard, that's what I want.

I don't get somebody I knew.

We're getting a hell of a response.

The station's closing in.

We're able to put some force in there that we previously had.

We're actually on the bus now.

We've been hurt.

I mean, that's what we got through, but nothing's changed since we're going to think that we haven't flooded off our way to the camera.

I'm sure we've been hurt.

No, you can't run away from it.

The Democrats are still with me.

I think everyone has a responsibility.

I think everyone's got a privilege to do it.

That's why I'm putting that post together.

I'm going to split it through.

I'm going to do it.

I think he's a smart one up here.

He's smart as hell.

He'll go around the country and be, if all people want to see this, they'll go, who is this?

And he'll turn out to be a very much better man than they thought.

Well, it's a matter of, they're building him up, you see.

Talk about a hurt.

You're not basically in a fight with Agnes.

Take a nap.

I'm not sure that Pickle was able to deal with the personality.

Pickle was a lightweight, basically.

I mean, he was built up by the emotional.

So I think, when I say we've occurred, we've occurred now because we've turned it into a hot political issue, and it was most of the other parties' beliefs.

You know, it's incredible.

You know, we've had the whole campaign.

We've had a massive campaign.

.

Many of those ships on the Russian ships still in the harbor.

It was supposed to have gotten some good, you know, just a dose of good, but it did not.

It did not.

It's a bird's eye.

But we find that the dock strike thing, that had some kind of effect.

I think we better follow up right away or something.

On the later thing.

And then get on with it.

I'm going to do that in a special way.

Yeah, when I play the one.

You watch that one.

Yes, sir.

I will.

Okay.

Well, I must have stepped out of the pool terribly cold out there.

All right, well, did you get, uh, Mr. Ziegler for me, please?

You seem to shake it off a little bit, Mr. Ziegler.

I never get to talk to you seriously.

No way.

You can't do it, Mr. Ziegler.

Well, that's because you got a little time off for the weekend, I hope.

It was very nice.

It's very good to see you around here.

Shane, did they... Yeah.

Did they get the story right, all right?

Here, one-line announcement.

Yeah.

They rather expect it, of course.

The date was probably a little earlier than they thought.

Yeah, that's what I said.

Yeah, I know.

You told them.

And then you moved, and you said all the tales of the actual bomb.

It will create a great moment for them.

That's the way it's done.

And then it's moved in the background.

This is what I'm going to do.

Put your name on it.

You can cover all the other trips.

You can cover this, your package name, and so forth.

And it will allow him to do something that I couldn't have done.

It will allow him to limit himself to that.

Not get into all of the mess of things that you don't want to have overrun with you.

Right.

That's good.

Sure.

Yeah.

Right.

That's better to say than I believe what I... We don't...

It did knock the market down at least.

The market stayed up.

It may be able to go down tomorrow.

Probably not tomorrow.

We'll see whether the Democrats say it's a result of bills and response.

I don't know.

I'm going to wait until later.

I don't know.

Big story.