{"conversationCode":"307-025","tapeNumber":307,"conversationNumber":25,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-307-025","startDateTime":"1971-12-08T20:46:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-12-08T20:55:00.000Z","startDate":"8-Dec-1971","startTime":"3:46 PM","endDate":"8-Dec-1971","endTime":"3:55 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.;","description":"On December 8, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:46 pm to 3:55 pm. 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Colson.\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 06/11/2019.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[307-025-w001]\n[Duration: 2m 2s]\n\n[See Conversation No. 016-058]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n**********************************************************************","filename":["307-025.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:45:42","tapeEnd":"00:50:18","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Colson, Charles W."],"prevCode":"307-024","nextCode":"307-026","transcript":[{"start":0.08,"end":21.65,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":21.67,"end":24.32,"text":"One thing that I'm sure you're uncomfortable with is the fact that, uh, I will, uh, we're preparing our legal message on that O.E.O."},{"start":24.34,"end":24.68,"text":"child care thing."},{"start":24.7,"end":26.76,"text":"Now, uh, obviously, our, uh, this is something about the folks in Nashville, how they jump up and down."},{"start":26.78,"end":28.82,"text":"And, uh, before, because, uh, you know, we're gonna take the left, so we might as well take the right."},{"start":30.41,"end":45.35,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":45.37,"end":45.55,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":45.61,"end":45.83,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":47.15,"end":47.43,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":47.45,"end":47.95,"text":"I know."},{"start":47.97,"end":48.53,"text":"There's the philosopher."},{"start":56.56,"end":59.55,"text":"."},{"start":59.57,"end":61.01,"text":"."},{"start":61.03,"end":66.95,"text":"."},{"start":66.97,"end":80.29,"text":"."},{"start":80.31,"end":80.33,"text":"."},{"start":80.35,"end":85.3,"text":"."},{"start":85.32,"end":85.34,"text":"."},{"start":86.89,"end":100.07,"text":"Sure."},{"start":112.87,"end":112.97,"text":"Sure."},{"start":112.99,"end":113.09,"text":"Sure."},{"start":113.11,"end":113.87,"text":"We can't just give up on all the time."},{"start":113.89,"end":114.07,"text":"We can't."},{"start":114.09,"end":114.27,"text":"We can't."},{"start":114.29,"end":114.47,"text":"We can't."},{"start":114.49,"end":114.67,"text":"We can't."},{"start":114.69,"end":114.87,"text":"We can't."},{"start":114.89,"end":115.07,"text":"We can't."},{"start":115.61,"end":141.81,"text":"I know, I know."},{"start":141.83,"end":142.41,"text":"It just makes absolute sense."},{"start":142.43,"end":142.93,"text":"We've been working on it."},{"start":149.78,"end":178.41,"text":"He got out."},{"start":178.43,"end":178.65,"text":"He got out."},{"start":178.67,"end":178.89,"text":"He got out."},{"start":179.72,"end":204.04,"text":"It's mostly conservatives who favor our position on the institute."},{"start":204.06,"end":206.48,"text":"They don't care for the institute."},{"start":207.56,"end":229.63,"text":"I was glad that U.N. vote was sort of starting to come into motion then."},{"start":229.65,"end":233.1,"text":"You know, if you know that, the battalion got 12 against us in the whole thing, and that's just with India and Russia, and so that showed we were on the right side of that."},{"start":233.12,"end":234.4,"text":"I mean, it's familiar enough, but, you know, it's not his fault."},{"start":234.42,"end":235.66,"text":"He did a good job of that, and now Skelly can take that front."},{"start":237.02,"end":256.42,"text":"Yeah, that's pretty good."},{"start":256.44,"end":256.81,"text":"I don't see Calvin."},{"start":256.83,"end":257.32,"text":"Very, very close to you."},{"start":257.34,"end":258,"text":"Take one of the rest of the time."},{"start":258.02,"end":258.46,"text":"Just one of the first."},{"start":258.48,"end":259.22,"text":"So you can take the rest of the time."},{"start":259.24,"end":259.34,"text":"Okay."},{"start":259.36,"end":259.74,"text":"Close to the mouth."},{"start":267.48,"end":268.19,"text":"Good."},{"start":268.21,"end":278.95,"text":"Okay, thank you."},{"start":278.97,"end":279.33,"text":"Yes, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Charles Colson discuss the administration's political strategy regarding the Office of Economic Opportunity (OEO) child care legislation. They emphasize the need to align with conservative constituents to maintain ideological support, weighing potential risks against political gains. 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