{"conversationCode":"308-005","tapeNumber":308,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-308-005","startDateTime":"1971-12-10T18:35:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-12-10T19:17:00.000Z","startDate":"10-Dec-1971","startTime":"1:35 PM","endDate":"10-Dec-1971","endTime":"2:17 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On December 10, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:35 pm and 2:17 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 308-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 308-5\n\nDate: December 10, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 1:35 pm and 2:17 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with an unknown person.\n\n**********************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal Returnable]\n[Duration: 1m 20s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n          -Call to Clark MacGregor\n                -Meeting","filename":["308-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:02:47","tapeEnd":"00:05:15","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"308-004","nextCode":"308-006","transcript":[{"start":0.35,"end":24.82,"text":"I don't mind that."},{"start":24.84,"end":25,"text":"I agree."},{"start":25.02,"end":25.48,"text":"Right, lovely and good."},{"start":25.5,"end":27.28,"text":"Also, for Christmas, I think it's worth paying a lot of attention to the Christmas stuff."},{"start":27.3,"end":28.1,"text":"You know, the cat, you know what I mean?"},{"start":28.12,"end":28.84,"text":"So they can help with the tree, huh?"},{"start":28.86,"end":29.34,"text":"Don't you have any more?"},{"start":29.36,"end":29.62,"text":"I think I do."},{"start":29.64,"end":29.9,"text":"I think I do."},{"start":37.54,"end":62.67,"text":"Why don't we have, you know, whether David is coming back or not."},{"start":62.69,"end":62.85,"text":"Come on."},{"start":62.87,"end":63.33,"text":"Yeah, you can find out."},{"start":63.35,"end":63.67,"text":"I appreciate it."},{"start":63.69,"end":64.17,"text":"I appreciate everything."},{"start":64.19,"end":66.07,"text":"I'm just trying to determine whether, how, or why to go to Camp David and see if it's popular."},{"start":66.09,"end":66.47,"text":"I still don't know."},{"start":66.49,"end":66.85,"text":"I don't even know."},{"start":66.87,"end":67.23,"text":"I don't even know."},{"start":68.26,"end":82.7,"text":"4 o'clock."},{"start":82.72,"end":82.92,"text":"4 o'clock."},{"start":82.94,"end":83.14,"text":"4 o'clock."},{"start":83.16,"end":83.36,"text":"4 o'clock."},{"start":83.38,"end":83.58,"text":"4 o'clock."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with an unknown individual to discuss logistical arrangements for the upcoming Christmas holiday. The conversation centered on the President's potential visit to Camp David and the status of his son-in-law David Eisenhower's travel plans. Nixon also briefly coordinated a call to Clark MacGregor regarding official business.","topics":["Camp David","Christmas","Clark MacGregor","David Eisenhower","White House logistics"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T14:21:22.697Z"},"topicSlugs":["camp-david","christmas","clark-macgregor","david-eisenhower","white-house-logistics"],"audioDurationSec":87,"audioFiles":[{"file":"308-005.mp3","bytes":3483477,"durationSec":86.95,"bitrate":320518,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:38.956Z","transcriptGapSeconds":50,"transcriptGapShare":0.57,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/308-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/308-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/308/conversation-308-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}