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Conversation 031-130

TapeTape 31StartWednesday, October 18, 1972 at 7:19 PMEndWednesday, October 18, 1972 at 7:23 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Ziegler, Ronald L.Recording deviceWhite House Telephone
AudioNARA Description

On October 18, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler talked on the telephone from 7:19 pm to 7:23 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 031-130 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 31-130

Date: October 18, 1972
Time: 7:19 pm - 7:23 pm
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.

[See Conversation No. 369-22]

        Congressional adjournment
           -Margaret Chase Smith and Michael J. Mansfield's previous call to the President
                -Press inquiry

                                        (rev. Oct-06)

                 -Smith's comment to Thomas C. Korologos
                 -The President’s recollection
                 -Mansfield's forthcoming trip to the People's
                  Republic of China [PRC]
                 -The President’s recollection

        William P. Rogers
            -Trade agreement statement
                -Television coverage on American Broadcasting Company [ABC]
                -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.'s comments

        Television coverage
            -Watergate
            -Henry A. Kissinger's arrival in Saigon, South Vietnam
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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Mr. Ziegler calling you, sir.
There you are.
Mr. President?
Yeah.
Your phone call to, or from the leadership.
There were press when they called, and at one point, Senator Mansfield and Senator Smith apparently laughed at something you said.
In other words, being amused by it.
And the press were asking what that was.
Well, Senator Mansfield said he would never divulge what the president said, and so did Senator Smith.
And I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't something new.
It wasn't really—I think it was just about— Senator Smith said privately, apparently, to Moges that you said you were going to win two to one.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I heard that she was going to win two to one.
She said, I think you're going to do better than that, man.
I see.
Exactly.
I heard she would win two to one.
You said, I hope you'll do well.
What they were laughing about, I don't know.
Well, it wasn't the best.
In other words, they could say it was a coup.
Now, Mike, as you know, is planning to go to China again.
Right.
That's what that was all about.
But I didn't do it.
I did it in double talk.
Right.
But I wish them out well.
There really wasn't anything wrong that you can really report.
Todd, just stay away from it all.
I just did say that we had a pleasant conversation about coming to see them, and that I confidently expected to see both of them in their positions of leadership in the next congressman.
I'm pointing out that you can't say that because that puts Mike in that position.
That's right.
I look forward to seeing them in the next Congress and after the election.
I hope the next three weeks aren't too difficult for either of them, put it that way.
All right.
There isn't much else to say.
No, that's fine.
I just didn't want anything to become confused on that.
I'm sorry to bother you, but I did want to change it.
On the two-to-one thing, it was the other way around.
And I thought she was going to live a two-to-one, and she said, I think you're going to do better than that.
Okay, sir.
Thanks a lot.
How did the other, how did the Rogers do?
Oh, he did great.
I thought he did well.
It was on ABC, and he was on ABC.
The trade thing got good coverage tonight.
The film from in the office played down in the middle of the news shows on each of them.
They play the top, Watergate.
No, no, they didn't.
There was a little of that on tonight, but really not much.
The top, of course, was the Kissinger and Andrews.
All right, gross.
We're doing fine tonight, I think.
Good.
Yes, sir.
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