{"conversationCode":"315-006","tapeNumber":315,"conversationNumber":6,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-315-006","startDateTime":"1972-01-17T19:47:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-17T20:10:00.000Z","startDate":"17-Jan-1972","startTime":"2:47 PM","endDate":"17-Jan-1972","endTime":"3:10 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.;","description":"On January 17, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:47 pm to 3:10 pm. 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