{"conversationCode":"318-022","tapeNumber":318,"conversationNumber":22,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-318-022","startDateTime":"1972-02-02T19:14:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-02-02T19:20:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Feb-1972","startTime":"2:14 PM","endDate":"2-Feb-1972","endTime":"2:20 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Dent, Harry S.;","description":"On February 2, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Harry S. Dent met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:14 pm to 2:20 pm. 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(President)","Dent, Harry S."],"prevCode":"318-021","nextCode":"318-023","transcript":[{"start":0.23,"end":5.62,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":5.64,"end":12.45,"text":"Hello, Harry?"},{"start":12.47,"end":15.52,"text":"How are you, how are the governor's temperatures after the day?"},{"start":15.54,"end":16.48,"text":"Do they feel pretty good?"},{"start":16.5,"end":23.27,"text":"Well, they didn't all get to talk, but I, of course, got a good chance to talk to both Peterson and Kane, and that's when all of them all were sitting at the table."},{"start":23.29,"end":24.77,"text":"And I think having the big boys talk that way, they don't like to hear it."},{"start":25.73,"end":27.13,"text":"And they did well."},{"start":27.15,"end":33.14,"text":"They did a Rockefeller break."},{"start":33.6,"end":43.66,"text":"I frankly, I don't know why Holton always has to bring up that thing about his kid."},{"start":43.67,"end":44.26,"text":"But I guess that's the thing."},{"start":48.78,"end":49.76,"text":"But wasn't that Rockefeller's surprise?"},{"start":49.78,"end":50.58,"text":"He was all up with it."},{"start":50.6,"end":51.45,"text":"Well, you've been doing a fine job."},{"start":51.55,"end":52.67,"text":"I want to tell you, you did a very good job."},{"start":53.54,"end":71.74,"text":"tell them what your reason is, tell them whether this is a CRA or something, you know."},{"start":71.76,"end":72.86,"text":"We're going to try to get agonists who want to hear it."},{"start":72.89,"end":78.35,"text":"You might, you might, uh, I, uh, I was sitting with Mitchell at the time, but you might call the vice president and tell him, you know, I was chatting, and I said, you'll hear from other sources that you've been out of, and you can tell them about it, and, you know, do it."},{"start":86.55,"end":104.67,"text":"They really got the cold cock."},{"start":104.87,"end":105.67,"text":"Good."},{"start":106.13,"end":106.23,"text":"Sure."},{"start":106.55,"end":110.34,"text":"Of course, well, I knew they had that at night, and I knew that there wasn't any night to have those other fellows there."},{"start":110.36,"end":115.42,"text":"And also, I didn't want to get too darn partisan with the cops there, you know, too much there."},{"start":115.44,"end":116.3,"text":"So it turned out it was mine."},{"start":118.07,"end":137.97,"text":"But I think one thing that I did there that I think is very important to leave that around is that when I, which gave me an opportunity to say, well, we could do a 50-state strategy, you know."},{"start":137.99,"end":138.79,"text":"Now, you know very well what it will be."},{"start":138.81,"end":141.63,"text":"But on the other hand, it's good for the guy on Massachusetts, Michigan, to figure that we're not forgetting those guys that he wants to try."},{"start":141.65,"end":142.81,"text":"I don't think, well, I could forget, but what did you say?"},{"start":148.38,"end":148.92,"text":"All right, Mark."},{"start":188.91,"end":200.8,"text":"Well, we started praying and ended up playing."},{"start":200.82,"end":200.94,"text":"Right?"},{"start":201.34,"end":204.65,"text":"Well, that's a good group of people."},{"start":204.67,"end":207.07,"text":"There's a fine, long line of people."},{"start":207.67,"end":210.01,"text":"I had to get out of the Christian context."},{"start":210.03,"end":210.61,"text":"I knew a Jew on the program."},{"start":210.85,"end":212.66,"text":"You know, this is our first speaker from Florida."},{"start":212.68,"end":215.9,"text":"This is a Christian country, which I hated before we had a voice."},{"start":218.12,"end":234.69,"text":"You, incidentally, did not disapprove of my wanting to do that Negro thing with you."},{"start":234.71,"end":240.72,"text":"In fact, they tell me that, well, that's why I say this to you, because Holloman was telling me that you were the one that felt that, particularly in the South, we could break under the Negro law, right?"},{"start":240.74,"end":241.48,"text":"Do you have to tell me you're good?"},{"start":241.5,"end":242.48,"text":"Well, were you there for the background?"},{"start":259.65,"end":288.46,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":288.86,"end":313.86,"text":"It makes him a big man, which he deserves."},{"start":313.88,"end":315.28,"text":"How's that?"},{"start":315.3,"end":317.2,"text":"What's gonna, what's gonna win for him?"},{"start":320.98,"end":340.72,"text":"And who's, uh..."},{"start":340.74,"end":344.64,"text":"Muscle."},{"start":344.66,"end":344.76,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":344.78,"end":345.1,"text":"Hungry campaign."},{"start":345.12,"end":345.5,"text":"What about Jackson?"},{"start":345.52,"end":346.7,"text":"How about Jackson?"},{"start":346.72,"end":347.14,"text":"Yeah, I know that."},{"start":347.24,"end":348.7,"text":"Good man."},{"start":348.72,"end":349.3,"text":"He's the best."},{"start":349.32,"end":349.68,"text":"How about Lindsay?"},{"start":351.49,"end":373.2,"text":"Unless he goes on TV, he could cut into the mustard plant, couldn't he?"},{"start":373.22,"end":373.56,"text":"All the way."},{"start":373.58,"end":373.86,"text":"All the way."},{"start":373.88,"end":373.98,"text":"Okay."},{"start":374,"end":374.46,"text":"All right, Harry."},{"start":374.48,"end":377.47,"text":"Well, thanks for your good work."},{"start":377.49,"end":378.27,"text":"If you don't hear, we know you do well."},{"start":378.29,"end":378.39,"text":"Okay."},{"start":378.41,"end":378.49,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Harry Dent discuss the political reception of various governors and party figures following recent meetings, specifically focusing on the administration’s strategy for the upcoming election cycle. 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