{"conversationCode":"318-033","tapeNumber":318,"conversationNumber":33,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-318-033","startDateTime":"1972-02-02T20:25:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-02-02T20:30:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Feb-1972","startTime":"3:25 PM","endDate":"2-Feb-1972","endTime":"3:30 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Lewis, Hobart D.;","description":"On February 2, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Hobart D. Lewis met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:25 pm and 3:30 pm. 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Mitchell\n                     -Racketeers\n                -Environmental program\n\f                -Secondary and higher education\n           -Possible second article in Reader’s Digest\n                -Suggested titles\n                -Progress in New Jersey\n                -Mitchell\n                -Possible quotes from the President","filename":["318-033.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:50:51","tapeEnd":"02:53:58","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Lewis, Hobart D."],"prevCode":"318-032","nextCode":"318-034","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":24.64,"text":"just a little over a year ago, which was extremely derogatory with regard to New Jersey."},{"start":24.66,"end":24.9,"text":"There it is."},{"start":24.92,"end":26.86,"text":"Kale, as you probably know, has been doing one of the best jobs in any government in the country."},{"start":26.88,"end":27.32,"text":"On a number of fronts."},{"start":27.34,"end":29.36,"text":"He has worked closely with John Metzoli, Sidney Little, I don't know, corrupt trackers in New Jersey."},{"start":29.78,"end":56.24,"text":"He has probably the best program on the environment in any state in the country."},{"start":56.27,"end":57.81,"text":"He has made enormous progress in the field of secondary and higher education."},{"start":57.83,"end":58.61,"text":"He was out of rank in these areas where"},{"start":59.43,"end":83.81,"text":"I was very old when I was off the street back then."},{"start":83.83,"end":85.27,"text":"You will see that New Jersey deserves a second order from him back then."},{"start":85.29,"end":85.87,"text":"And I frankly agree with him."},{"start":85.89,"end":88.05,"text":"Without trying to compromise the other part of the thing, I think it might be because most of the New Jersey"},{"start":94.94,"end":123.41,"text":"I don't know what to say."},{"start":126.36,"end":153.51,"text":"I'm not going to get very close, but..."},{"start":153.53,"end":154.31,"text":"I'm not going to get very close, but..."},{"start":154.33,"end":155.12,"text":"I'm not going to get very close, but..."},{"start":160.73,"end":177,"text":"All right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Reader's Digest editor Hobart D. Lewis to advocate for a follow-up article highlighting the administrative successes of New Jersey Governor William T. Cahill. Nixon emphasized Cahill’s accomplishments in environmental policy, education reform, and his efforts to combat corruption, contrasting these achievements with past negative portrayals of the state. The discussion served as an editorial pitch to improve the public perception of the Cahill administration through the magazine's national platform.","topics":["William T. 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