Nixon & Woods on Economic Policy and Speechwriting

1:00I'm going to relent a little on the foreign policy thing.
1:15And I'd like for Sapphire to make it exactly $1,500.
1:19In other words, it's about $200 more than it was $1,000.
1:25Okay.
1:26He's got $1,250 now.
1:26No, it wasn't.
1:26It was about $1,750.
1:30Just say, put it this way, he can, because he hasn't been able to get this cleared by him, you see, they want to put some more in.
1:45So why don't you just say that he needs 200, put it this way, he needs 200 more words, 250 more words.
1:52Try to, I'd like to, you see, let me put it this way, I don't want to screw around having to, you know, argue about it, see.
2:00So tell him that if he can put 250 more words, that takes him actually to 1,500.
2:18Right?
2:18Yeah.
2:18You see, 1,250 plus 250 equals 1,500.
2:19Henry's was 1,700, or whatever it was.
2:21I think it was something like that.
2:22Just say 1,500 and not a word over it.
2:25And if he can work it out, I won't read this one.
2:27I'll have him get that to add 250.
2:28about the $1,500.
2:30Okay?
2:31Bye.
6:29Do they have that material yet for that meeting tonight?
6:38Yeah.
6:39Oh, I see what you just read out.
6:46All right, fine, fine.
6:47Jack will let me know later.
6:49Bye.
8:00I just want to look bigger.
9:33Before writing into that speech, time is short on this cabinet meeting.
9:58Do you want to look at this final agenda?
9:59Bob said he'd get a few by three, so... Yeah, leader plus cabinet.
10:01Let's pick it up and guide him as he goes.
10:01Thank you.
10:02Thank you.
10:04I'm not sure.
10:38sitting in his chair this will be his last meeting or do you want to even
11:08Bye.
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12:23And that's, that's it.
12:36I don't quite, I haven't gotten what they were working on, I'm not sure.
12:41No, that, uh, at least as I understand it, the ones you mentioned, the ones that he'd given you were written into the productivity commission.
12:45Yeah, no, no.
12:46That's, they, they, they were, they were, they were working into that.
12:47Trolls were working.
12:47Trolls were on, trolls were working, and abused, uh, moved out of productivity.
12:49Good.
12:49If you prefer, read the speech.
12:51I think my own preference on this would be that if your potential purpose, as I gather it was, was to give them a little pep talk, I thought I could use a pep talk.
13:17But I think it's worth it.
13:17But I think it takes words.
13:18You mean I could read it?
13:18Yep.
13:18And it would do something pretty awesome.
13:20I don't know.
13:21I guess right now we don't have anybody involved here.
13:43That I will have to just wait until a man just came in and, you know, talked to a few people, talked to a bunch of people.
13:45That's what I'm trying to do.
13:46I'm just watching the birds.
13:46We're trying to find a time to take off a couple of hours and prepare something and make a delivery.
13:48I just need this.
13:50I would think that since this is a subject that you talk on a good amount of time, it didn't take a couple of hours.
14:11If it does take a couple of hours, I think probably for this, yes.
14:14I'd rather, I think if you were going to make it a major address, then I'd rather you grant that you're doing just a short talk.
14:20It takes some time.
14:42You've got to make it short enough to decide how to make it short so you don't do it too long.
14:45But I've got to make it short enough.
14:46Maybe this is it.
14:46Make it look right.
14:46If I feel it, I don't need any more electronics.
14:48It doesn't mean I'm going to volunteer.
14:48Just say, don't be too worried about that.
14:50No, no, no, no.
15:09I'm not going to read that.
15:13Don't bother.
15:16Don't bother with that.
15:19volunteers i will definitely because i know that has to be that kind of okay
17:21We're at a price, please.
17:45Jeff, can I have something?
17:48Yes, sir.
17:48I know you're a specialist in general, but I wanted to see you today.
17:494-4-3-4-6-10-9-plus.
17:50Oh.
17:50Yeah.
17:50Yeah.
17:50Well, uh, before I wait...
17:51Just a second.
18:17He has to go out.
18:17He has to go .
18:18Oh.
18:18You know, I think we just might try this on a red basis.
18:19But I think that what I would do I think
18:20Well, it would be the first part.
18:45You go down to page six.
18:46Then start right after that on page six.
18:46Then just pick up the talking points that you have down here.
18:48in their speech format where you see one or two tries splicing the two together and it'll make it out of the operation.
19:12But I don't think it's too bad, perhaps, if it's laid out that way.
19:14And then I won't have to make the effort to try to put everything together.
19:15I can do things my way.
19:17Yeah, it will work.
19:33I don't think there's much overlap.
19:42I mean, you could pick up two and put them together.
19:43The last is seven.
19:44Try that and get yourself together.
19:45Don't get misplaced with that.
21:01Well, I had to go see Long about this welfare business.
21:10Dean of the Duke Law School brought this by.
21:14Class of the souvenirs.
21:18This is your procedures class.
21:20All right.
21:35She's been there last week.
21:59Said she made a great hit.
22:00Cool.
22:00Yeah.
22:00All right, what's the class?
22:00All the guys in Toronto.
22:01Wasn't a very big class to begin with.
22:0250.
22:0245, maybe.
22:02It's not a very big class.
22:03Well, it's the dean.
22:12His name's Snead.
22:16He's a very classy Republican.
22:17Well, it's a down-to-earth fellow there.
22:22On board, recommended for court.
22:26Yeah.
22:26Is he that good?
22:26Yeah.
22:27Well, I talked to him about bussing and a lot of things.
22:29He's strong.
22:29Keep it in mind.
22:30Yeah.
22:30He's, uh, how old is he?
22:30I would guess about, uh, 52, something of that kind.
22:31Too old to quit.
22:32His wife was with him, and she lives about that age.
22:51What is his background?
22:51Law school?
22:52I'm not sure where he went to law school.
22:56He's been teaching at Stanford for about eight or ten years.
22:57I don't know where he was before that.
22:58And that's how I got an introduction to him.
22:59He was back there.
23:00But he asked to come in.
23:00He was a good guy, I think.
23:01He's got a funny muscle spasm.
23:15His head's tipped over to one side.
23:16But very bright.
23:17Very, obviously, quite conservative.
23:19Good Republican.
23:19It had to have been Republican politics in California.
23:21I don't know how that happened.
23:22But I don't know.
23:26I don't know.
23:26I don't know.
23:26I don't know.
23:26I don't know.
23:28He kind of said, apparently he'd been pretty busy at the California State Conference.
23:47He knew all the players.
23:50Let's remember him.
23:50Yeah.
23:50Mine, you know, you never know like a sister or anything like that.
23:52Yeah, definitely.
23:52Definitely.
23:52He's that kind of fellow.
23:53He says, you're most welcome at the law school.
23:54That's the only place that left me off.
23:55I told him about my experience then.
23:56Yeah.
23:56Well, it was good.
23:57There have been a lot of ripples since.
24:11I have a good comment.
24:13It's all right.
24:13Oh, it's all right.
24:14It was a guerrilla theater, you know.
24:15I wanted to just take about 15 minutes.
24:17Sure.
24:17We ran through this busing thing.
24:19We had the lawyers in the business.
24:26They can't take a day and a half.
24:27and boiling that all down, it seems like there are several reasonably possible things that you can do.
24:39And my preference is the first, and it is for you to support one of the existing proposals in principle, rather than to develop your own language
24:54who will launch it and try and fight for it?
25:05That's a hard question.
25:07I'm inclined to think later rather than sooner.
25:09We think there is a way for you to answer the questions.
25:14You answer the questions by saying, and interestingly enough, Tom Steed is the one who suggested this.
25:22He's the sponsor of the discharge petition.
25:25He said there would be some resentment in the House if the President were to involve himself in the question of whether there should be a rule, whether the discharge petition should be signed and that kind of thing.
25:42The discharge petition for country women?
25:45Yes.
25:45And basically it's the Baker-Brock constitutional amendment.
25:46But the President could notice the problem, could say that the court rulings are confusing
25:53that they are the source of great controversy and concern for the American people, and that when you get into a situation like that, it is appropriate for the Congress to address the subject and to develop new law, which in this case might necessarily be a constitutional matter.
26:20it would be sufficient unto itself for you simply to notice the people's dilemma, so to speak, without taking a formal position in favor of the discharge petition or in favor of an amendment as such.
26:36He said that Sellers' maneuver in the judiciary is to filibuster, and that Calmer is trying to get a majority in the Rules Committee to give this a rule.
26:50and that the Democrats are running away from him as fast as they can.
27:02Steve is holding their feet to the fire.
27:04He thinks it's good politics.
27:06He says that there are no Democratic candidates, as far as he's concerned, except Jackson, and that obviously Jackson has no chance, and so he says the Democrats don't deserve to elect the president this time.
27:14And so does old Tom.
27:17Yeah.
27:17And he said, but those of us that are going to be around want to take a position on this issue.
27:32And he said, more and more of my colleagues are beginning to get the point.
27:35And there are many names to the petition.
27:36But he said, it would be misunderstood if the president urged anybody to sign the petition.
27:38It would be misunderstood if he urged the House Rules Committee.
27:40It would be misunderstood if he endorsed the Baker-Brock Amendment at this time.
27:43Well, so much for that as a possibility.
27:48Right.
27:48Second possibility is for you to submit and advocate a new constitutional amendment of your own.
27:58And we've got one, two, three, four, five, six different possibilities, any one of which would do the job.
28:05They're all hard to explain.
28:05They're all hard to defend because of the problem that is going to crop up regardless of what you do.
28:11And that is that
28:13any of these, including Baker Brown, in right and the south to backslide and to reinstitute the dual school system.
28:34Now, there's a way to cosmetically treat that by adding a clause that says, nothing contained herein shall permit a school district to return to a de jure dual school system.
28:40Maybe that doesn't have any effect, technically, but it would be good in politics
28:44And that leads to the next suggestion.
28:49That is, before you leave for China, you call Baker and Brock and Lent and Steed down to the White House for a meeting.
29:03And you ask them their opinion on this problem.
29:05And they tell you about the amendment.
29:05And then you say, well, I'm concerned about the South and backsliding, and I'd like to have you work with my Justice Department and the GW people
29:13to try and guarantee that we don't have any backsliding in the South.
29:28The probability is that they would say, thank you, Mr. President, we'd be glad to work with you.
29:31And that would hold the situation until you got back and probably heard the dealer kind of happy.
29:36And then it might lead to Baker and Brock sponsoring an addition to their amendment, which would be theirs, that would simply say nothing contained herein would permit backsliding.
29:42If they did that, then you would be in a position at a later time, if you wished to espouse it, or you could take the position, well, I'm for the principle, I saw this problem, I made this suggestion, they didn't see fit to adopt it, that troubles me some.
30:04You have quite a lot of flexibility now.
30:06but you have shown interest.
30:08You have brought the sponsors of this thing down.
30:13You've discussed it with them.
30:16And you've sort of allied yourself with them by the fact of the meeting without having to come out and take a position.
30:22And that's news all by itself.
30:23Now, there are other ways to go.
30:26Elliott thinks that a legislative approach is a good approach.
30:29And
30:30He's given me a memo to you, and he's given me some language that would be possible, that in effect is a Baker-Brock approach, except it's by legislation and it's directed to the courts.
30:48He says the courts can't do this and can't do that by wearing a remit.
30:50And so that's a possibility.
30:50Our reaction, more than my reaction to Elliott's proposal, is there are many things that's wrong with that as with doing a constitutional amendment.
30:57And if you're going to do the one, you might as well do the other and take the whole hog.
31:13Occupy the whole hog.
31:14Occupy the whole pig.
31:15Like they had to hunt for sheep as a goat.
31:18It has kind of an intriguing aspect, drop a bomb on an armed drop tent.
31:20Why not?
31:21Why should it?
31:21It has kind of an intriguing angle to it, and that is it says that you may not bust a child farther
31:27then the interval of time, that is, the interval of time may not be greater than the interval of time required for that child to walk to the nearest neighborhood school, which is kind of a cute little gimmick.
31:43So there's that possibility.
31:45Then finally,
31:46And there were some strong advocates for this position after we'd been all over, examined every alternative and come back to it.
31:54Oh, terrific news.
31:56Got that.
31:56Good group.
31:57This guy that's taking rent at this place is a damn good man.
32:01I got to know him.
32:02And he was aboard from the first night.
32:05Elliott's guy was highly qualified.
32:11He's a liberal lawyer from Massachusetts, but once he got his marching orders, he really understood the problem.
32:17And this was a damn good group, and I think I was very productive.
32:19But anyway, at the end, we came back and said, well, why should we do anything?
32:24And there is a very strong case to be made for simply restating your present position on against busing to achieve racial balance on four neighborhood schools and to just keep pounding that and pounding that and pounding that and say nothing about the new methods until the Democratic Convention.
32:43And then once the Democratic candidate is chosen, take a reading on who it is and what his posture has been, and then make your election to go or not.
32:53Well,
32:53Now, that's the danger there, isn't it?
33:00We don't think that's too likely.
33:05If he does, then you attack him on the ground that he's going to permit the south off the hook.
33:16See, he's got the same problem that we have for those of you right now.
33:19Oh, lots of votes in the north with the liberals, with his constituency.
33:23I assure us.
33:25Well, that's right.
33:28I mean, it's going to cost him.
33:31It isn't going to get you anything.
33:32Regardless, maybe, maybe.
33:35Well, anyway.
33:36But you don't believe that the Democratic candidate, in other words, has that option?
33:45We don't think he does.
33:46We don't think he will think he does.
33:47But do you think, as a matter of fact, though, that there are a considerable number of
33:52and all concluded that the Democratic candidates would all have to come out against Bussing.
34:14Well, we had all but McGovern.
34:15All but McGovern, of course.
34:16But Alsop's got a cute little piece this morning about how McGovern almost lost his soul and came out against Bussing.
34:18When Mankiewicz and Joe Rau got to him and turned him around in the last minute, just four years ago, that's it.
34:20That's it.
34:21That must be McGovern.
34:23So he's not against Buston.
34:29He's in favor of Buston.
34:30But he almost was against him.
34:31He was so impressed with the arguments of Stuart Alsop and a couple other people that he said to Stuart Alsop, well, I can see that the next time I'm asked, I'm going to have to say that I'm against Buston.
34:52I'm more likely to Buston.
34:53I think he's pretty well hooked where he is.
35:07I think Muskie and Humphrey have both come across.
35:12I think given the Florida situation, they'll both have to support what I'm on in that puzzle.
35:19Yeah.
35:20Well, it leaves you right where you are.
35:21You're a best vessel.
35:21Now,
35:23I think you can get a good deal of visibility.
35:29But it would allow him, John, basically to become viable candidates in the South.
35:38The South is very important to us.
35:39As you talk to the public.
35:39Yeah.
35:39Here's what George Wallace is doing.
35:41And I don't know whether this is really getting the fat plate in the South, but it should.
35:47He holds up a sheet of paper and a round.
35:49He says, I have here the voting records of all the Democratic senators who were running for president.
35:55And he says, this record shows that every one of them has voted for busing.
36:00Every one of them has voted against neighborhood school.
36:04Every one of them has voted for the consolidation of your school districts with other school districts.
36:10Every one of them voted against cards voting.
36:11Well, he doesn't say that.
36:13Yes, he does.
36:15Does he?
36:16Oh, I didn't know that.
36:18Well, anyway, he's pounding them all over the head.
36:22Jackson thought enough of that yesterday that on Meet the Press, he answered and said, that's not true.
36:31He said, I am the only one who has never been to Iowa.
36:33And so I'm the only one who has my child in public school with blacks.
36:38And...
36:40So, and then he went on to expand on the harm to children and so on and so forth.
36:50So he made a very, he made a flat denial.
36:54But I'm not sure that Muskie or either one could be a credible candidate on this issue in the South because of their record.
37:04He developed strong evidence in their record of children around them.
37:08Muskie's got a straddle on him right now.
37:09And when he's answering questions, there's really only one really who's on equipment at the moment.
37:29I think they're both going to have to get on equipment if they're going to make any sort of a dent.
37:31They're all hoping that Wallace is going to stop an attack inside.
37:34I would think that if I had to be poised for it, I would think so because Wallace is stronger and stronger.
37:38While this is showing up stronger and stronger in Florida, maybe this is what I'm told.
38:02I am drawn to the idea of your meeting with Baker Croft as a symbol.
38:03And then, out of that meeting, on your return from China,
38:07a follow-up meeting with Elliot, the intern, and John.
38:15And then, by then, we'll know what's happened to the discharge petition and the rule and so on.
38:21And we've written over the necessity of, what would I do with Baker and Brock?
38:25How would that come out?
38:26What would they go out and say?
38:28They go out and say, we're greatly encouraged in the President's interest in the idea of a constitutional amendment.
38:31He didn't commit himself to support it.
38:32He told us of some problems that he has with the specific language of our amendment, and he's tendered us to...
38:44He agreed with the goal, but he believes that the language is very important, and he's asked us to consider this.
38:49He's given us the experts in the executive branch...
38:56I haven't come out...
38:57I think I've come out positive that the president supports our goal, but the constitutional amendment, he believes, has got some very great problems to draft, and that's the word that we're going to choose, yes.
39:04That commits you to either join them or break with them at some time in the future.
39:15You could even take a break of balance, you see, in the future.
39:18We have been able to work out an agreed-upon language between the administration and the senators, but on balance, because of the principle that's involved, I will support their amendment.
39:31That keeps you to some reservations.
39:36When is the first court decision going to come down?
39:51Is that sort of going to fall?
39:57I don't know.
39:57The Richmond thing, of course, is working its way through the courts.
39:58John Mitchell's taken a position on that publicly, which is what's against it.
40:00He said he doesn't know whether it's appropriate for the federal government to get in on that case.
40:04You'll surely get a question on that at the press conference if you'll admit only to domestic questions.
40:21And the answer that we propose for you is that you don't know technically whether it's appropriate for the federal government to be involved, but you view with considerable alarm any breakdown of local units of government in a situation like this.
40:31Just a general sort of statement of principle.
40:35I couldn't think of any graceful way for you to say you didn't appoint that judge.
40:48The court is the court.
40:56But as far as court cases, there are going to be several consolidation cases decided in the Midwest in the next four or five months.
41:00I think one good thing that's going to come out of this Camp David meeting is a lot more faithful adherence to your policy by
41:04A.G.W.
41:11and Justice.
41:16This whole exercise is going to work better.
41:24I don't need a decision from you now at all.
41:25I want you to just feel for the race.
41:26Because time flies.
41:27That's it.
41:27If you get a little time on the airplanes over Florida over the weekend or coming back to focus on this, I'll try and have
41:33Thank Frank for you in such a shape that you could decide where you plan to go.
41:54Well, all right, I'll be there.
41:55Rather than to come.
41:55I plan to go down.
41:56All right.
41:56I'm going to take Conlon down.
41:57That's right.
41:57Well, I can use the rest.
41:57That would be great.
41:58You just go down.
41:58You spend the time right there.
41:59It's a miracle.
41:59You shouldn't have asked for more.
42:00My people like to come, but they don't want to come.
42:01All right.
42:02Well, it's a terrible decision to make.
42:21The thing that concerns me, I know the politics is to be against it.
42:22I know also that from the standpoint of the country at home, that to divide this country black and white and the president is against black people is bad.
42:25I don't like to have the professional blacks, a few of which would be bitter at the moment, all going out and saying Christ, all under the president is against us.
42:30I don't know whether we can get into the profession of black people or not.
42:44Steve claims, and I just had lunch with him, so I'm a little fresh on this.
42:48Steve claims that 90% of the blacks in his district are opposed to busing.
42:51Now, that's Oklahoma.
42:52There are no professional blacks.
42:52I didn't rank the pile of blacks.
42:54You know, perhaps the bigger nation.
42:54Roy Ennis is against busing.
42:56Well, of course he would, you know.
42:58Vernon Jordan, I've talked to, he's for it.
43:00but he's for it because it's a civil.
43:11It's a civil rights.
43:13He says he'd fight you.
43:13He wouldn't have any choice.
43:14He hasn't established his leadership role yet.
43:18He really wouldn't have any choice.
43:26But he thinks I have no choice.
43:26That's right.
43:27He knows.
43:27I haven't asked anybody else.
43:28I can have Bob Brown do some sounding if you want.
43:31And Paul Brown knew it was something, all right.
43:39But in his own way, as if he were asking, for his own purposes, he said, what do you all think about Mustang?
43:52Not that he's asking for the president.
43:55He's asking for himself.
43:55Your first option is the best one.
43:57I agree that the legislative option is rather nice.
43:59So forth and so forth.
44:00I would rather be in a position of supporting, if somewhat even reluctantly, the constitutional amendment with the added praise that the dual school system, well, keep a, what it speaks to, the dual school system argument.
44:30I didn't try that.
44:30I didn't try it on him.
44:47I had to be a little careful about tipping my hand.
44:50Baker and Brock, I think, would be for that.
44:53I think so, too.
44:54And Lent is a freshman congressman in Long Island.
44:55There's a long speech in the district who is the sponsor of the Baker-Brock amendment in my house.
44:57So it's got to be known as the Lent amendment.
44:58And probably it would be a bad idea to have him there.
44:59But why the hell is he...
45:00He's a young, bright, conservative Republican, and I think Baker and Brock just picked him out and decided that he has no scars on him and he's a good one to have.
45:19In the Senate, you've got Bobby Griffin.
45:20Yes.
45:20Now he's got a different one.
45:23He's got one of his own.
45:24He's got one, man.
45:25He's got one.
45:25His isn't quite as good.
45:26So he's been the problem.
45:27Oh, yeah.
45:27He's the problem.
45:27Yeah.
45:28Well, there's 11 of them, man.
45:31but I mentioned Griffin because he's deliberately decided it's a matter of high politics that he's gonna take on the Negro establishment, and go for the whites and the good Negroes.
45:53Right, absolutely.
45:53Jerry Ford has signed with his term position.
45:58HR grows to Bobby Griffin.
45:58Well, I think your strategy is good.
46:00I think if you would prepare for me, John, for Thursday, it may just be limited to one thing.
46:24But if any domestic things come up, this one probably is the most likely one to come up as well.
46:27Pat's been working on this.
46:27We may get one.
46:28We may get one.
46:28We have that in budget.
46:28I don't worry about the budget.
46:29We've got...
46:30I think a pretty full range of domestic answers.
46:49Well, he's cutting them down.
46:50I'm not saying too much of that.
46:51That's right.
46:52So if you would prefer the answer in terms of why don't we say I'm going to meet with Senator Reagan and Senator Dock and Congressmen and discuss the situation.
46:57I think that's a good thing.
46:57Have the meeting on Monday.
47:00I hope we may not discuss it then.
47:21There's some problems on the language, on the favor of the goal, but a constitutional amendment is something that must not be lightly, or must not be carelessly or incorrectly drawn.
47:25It must live with the agents, not just for a temporary problem.
47:28It must not be retrogressive.
47:30partners with me and ended the dual school system.
47:48I think some of them would object to frankly not turning their back on the dual school system.
47:51Now you can talk in terms of keeping faith with the South.
47:53The South has moved in this area and so it would not be the other way around.
47:55In other words, you're not now going to oppose something that will treat the North with greater preference than we did.
47:58is that we demand it with a sign.
48:14We're keeping faith with a sign.
48:17By being even-handed, it must be even-handed in its application.
48:18That's why we cannot have a situation which allows, which in any way counts as a jury segregation.
48:26Or a sign.
48:26I think certain things are going to be with them.
48:28Then after the meeting, they'd go out and pay the president's members and ask us to move further with the staff.
48:47And we'd continue the meeting, and when we come back, about March or April, we'd, uh, now let's see what we're buying.
48:50About March or April, we're still not ready to move.
48:51Well, we may be.
48:51We may be at that point.
48:52In other words, the seller starts his hearings the first of March.
48:53Until he gets through, we can say, uh... At that time, you may find, must be,
48:56having moved against or for the amendment.
49:03Yeah, but you see, you've already high-balled off your press conference and your meeting with Baker and Brock.
49:11The president considers constitutional amendment.
49:15It's right up there.
49:16He's going to force that.
49:18Yeah.
49:18And you're in ahead.
49:19It'd be pretty hard for them to ever get that away from you at that point.
49:20Do you think so?
49:20I think so.
49:25It was very useful, very useful.
49:45It was dang good all the way around.
49:48I'd get cheek and jowl with these guys for a while and just talk with them.
49:49I'd talk with them.
49:50I had trouble with Bill Clausen's son.
49:51He was working with Morgan.
49:51It was good news.
49:51I said things quickly.
49:52One, I saw Bill Marion in Toronto, and he has talked to Jack Anderson and found out exactly what he has.
49:55And he had sent a reporter out to the coast, and Don had talked to the reporter.
50:13Anderson had a gift.
50:15Oh, shit.
50:15Don didn't know he was a reporter.
50:16He met him in Palomar Holmes' office in a big sales pitch, and went out, had lunch with him, along with his John Myers and his organization.
50:23He was a gunman, a crook, yeah.
50:24And the whole thing was just all out there.
50:38He's got 10 people seeing his face and stuff.
50:42So Marriott softened it quite a lot.
50:45Marriott's estimate now is that it's been Marriott softened for, well, I'll tell you, two of the three aspects.
50:50Anderson buys the proposition that you have admonished Don not to have anything to do with any piece of business that involves the government.
50:53And she's been very strong.
50:54Well, Merritt thinks he will.
50:59He also will absolve Merritt on the specific deals that he had tips on, on airlines.
51:17Merritt said he gave him all the dates and all the facts, and they were all done before Don got into it.
51:20Except for the Anastas deal.
51:22Anderson, all the dates of negotiations and so forth to show that Don
51:23had not been the efficient cause of Americans shifting its business and so on.
51:39But there's no question about Don going to Athens and getting the Anastas deal, and that'll hang out there.
51:45And that's the only one that merits running the airline.
51:46Those deals don't worry me too much about them.
51:47Do they give you, you know, an operating airline deal?
51:49It will come down pretty hard on Don.
51:52And it would come down pretty hard on his son.
52:03Because he told this guy all about his son being in with Mesquil and how I had objected to his having anything to do with the deal and had talked to him like a Dutch uncle, but that he'd gone and done it anyway.
52:24And John Deholtis didn't know he was a reporter, but who the hell did he think he was?
52:42I have any idea.
52:42Any idea.
52:42So it'll come down pretty hard on that kind of thing.
52:47And Bill says we're supposed to see how he can hold Anderson on that.
52:48So that'll start to run Friday, and it'll run Friday, Monday, and Tuesday.
52:51I've got to go ahead and get Don back here tomorrow night and set this meeting up for one season.
53:09Doesn't this make it imperative that I not see him?
53:10Yeah, it distracts our hand all the way around.
53:12I think you've got a job at you.
53:13Yeah.
53:13So are you sure that Marriott didn't send this guy out to get Don to see him or something?
53:16Well, I just wonder how Don couldn't be that dumb.
53:22I don't think he'd know he was a reporter.
53:31This guy knew Johnny Myers, this reporter.
53:33And he said to Myers, I'd like to meet Don next year.
53:36And Myers fixed it up.
53:37Don was out of the Myers.
53:38This is Don over at Myers.
53:39Oh, the gunman Hughes.
53:40Yeah.
53:40Well, this wasn't just last week.
53:42This has been several months ago.
53:43This was probably before the Hughes deal broke.
53:45Don had this meeting.
53:46Yeah, Don.
53:47But the story about the Democrats having fed this to Anderson is a lot of food.
54:02Anderson generated this himself.
54:03And he talked about the service contacts, the armed services contacts with Alomar, and he talked about his stock deal with Alomar, and he talked about his finder's fee on the Air West deal.
54:14No, he didn't.
54:15He said he should have.
54:16But the film's made all the money on it.
54:27And it's just all hanging out there.
54:28Well, does Don, did he or did he not, I'm glad you pointed out that you tried to keep Don in control.
54:34Yeah.
54:34But the other point is that Don, if he's cut across, did he or did he not make it clear where he was?
54:39that I tried to keep the son of a bitch out of all kinds of places.
54:51No, he did what Merriam did.
54:52Merriam said he made that point very strongly with Anderson, and Anderson fought for it.
54:59Merriam made what?
55:00That you had instructed the Merriams that under no circumstances was Don to ever compromise the administration by any of his activities.
55:05Which is true.
55:05Yeah, that's right.
55:05That's right.
55:06I pitched a model.
55:06That only covers Merriam.
55:07Yeah, I'm covering Hallmark, yeah.
55:09Well, I think that what he was working toward was getting Anderson to write that anything Don did that was improper was on his own.
55:29But was Murray thinking he sold Anderson off?
55:31That's what he said.
55:32I hope he's right.
55:32I mean, who knows?
55:33Who knows?
55:33Maybe the Mormonism runs that deep.
55:35Van Anderson said to him.
55:45You know, it's a little bit, you know, to be fair, John, I mean, I have to be strange, but that's a legitimate story.
55:51Goddamn, John is dumb.
55:52He's dumb enough to talk to somebody.
55:54You mean to kill yourself?
55:54Yeah.
55:54No, I mean, not dumb enough to talk to somebody.
55:55Goddamn, you're guilty of something.
55:57Hang on a clock.
55:58Yeah.
56:00Oh.
56:10One benefit of this, which, of course, is undoubtedly very beautiful, is its timing.
56:26Yes, sir.
56:26You know, they all try to throw this crap in the last day of the night camp, especially the election.
56:30And the fact that Don has been parked around for so many years, well, it might cause him to turn his sails a little bit for the rest of the time, too.
56:39It wouldn't hurt to put him down like that.
56:44Now, the other thing is that I tried to get married to hire Don Jr., but I was struck out.
57:03He said he didn't have a hotel far enough away.
57:05Don't you really have to take Don Jr. just to find some cash?
57:07Maybe.
57:07When you don't?
57:08It occurs to me that... Well... Where he belongs.
57:10I really don't know what the hell to do with him.
57:13I really don't.
57:13Is Don asking for a job for him?
57:14No.
57:16But he doesn't know he's fired yet.
57:32That's it.
57:32Yeah, I've got to call him and get him in here and tell him to quit.
57:33I think the way I'll do this is through John Mitchell to Senator Sears in New Jersey, who best goes later, just have Vesco can him and send him home.
57:36Have Vesco can him, by the way.
57:37Would you do that?
57:37Yeah, I guess they would.
57:38Sorry, you know what you're doing.
57:39Mitchell's over across the street, and I'd better catch him and get this started up.
57:42I would say that they're going to do it right away and get him the hell out of the camp and get him out of there.
57:59But if your plan, if your information is that he did miss people, that's Donald's story.
58:02That's his story.
58:03No, I don't have any evidence in it.
58:03CIA reports are all made.
59:10You checked on Johnny Meyer and Don swore by him.
59:26What did you tell him?
59:30I read the reports.
59:34And convinced him.
59:34Terrible guys wouldn't have anything more to do with it.
59:35Johnny Meyer came in with a guy.
59:37Took this guy to Calmar Homes and introduced him.
59:40Don was there.
59:41And Don went out to dinner with us.
59:52And Don went to lunch.
59:53And the touch is, he said, well, I've already had lunch, but I'll go with you.
59:57And then he ordered a hamburger and a chocolate milkshake, and fried potatoes, and ate them.
1:00:01It was very good stuff.
1:00:03This guy makes quite a point of that in the story.
1:00:06You mean the reporter?
1:00:08Yeah.
1:00:09Well, I think, John, that just so we're sure, because I don't want to be caught with this thing this week.
1:00:28Are you going to have Eddie come, too?
1:00:29Yeah, I think I've got him.
1:00:30And you're going to have the...
1:00:31I'd bring your meetings to the different parks.
1:00:33I wouldn't have Rose sitting on all this gory detail.
1:00:36But I'd have...
1:00:36Unless you think otherwise.
1:00:46Well, it depends.
1:00:48I'd like her to sit in on the part where they explain their plan.
1:00:55Well, that, by all means.
1:00:55That, all of that.
1:00:59But I've got to say... And on the part where we tell them how things are going to be from here on, I think she should be in for the credibility she lends to it.
1:01:04Right.
1:01:04Now, I think you take...
1:01:06I suspect after this, I see Mary called him today and read him all this.
1:01:23Oh, Don?
1:01:28Yep.
1:01:28What happened?
1:01:28He said he was stoned silent on the other end.
1:01:31Really?
1:01:32So I expect he will not want to see you in certain circumstances.
1:01:33He said he was stoned silent on the other end?
1:01:39He's so dumb he doesn't know what I was going to call him.
1:01:50He's got a feeling I've hurt Walt on him.
1:02:00Yeah, because Marriott read this by now.
1:02:01Yeah.
1:02:02And that Anderson has it all.
1:02:03Yeah.
1:02:03And Anderson knew it.
1:02:04His one reaction was he said, I'll sue him.
1:02:04And Marriott said, well, he said you have been aroused to sue him.
1:02:06It's all true, isn't it?
1:02:08Well, then, let me come again now.
1:02:27Let's not leave the option open.
1:02:30Well, let's consider it closed.
1:02:32And then, if there's any problem arising from the meeting of any sort,
1:02:37We'll let you know.
1:02:46But if you don't hear from us, you can assume that we handle it.
1:02:56Yes, we'll handle the problem.
1:02:57But I think we should just say that, Don, it's not in your interest.
1:02:58It'd be better for you not to talk here with your brother.
1:03:01You're not good because of the light of this.
1:03:03Yeah, the light of this.
1:03:04We're not concerned.
1:03:04I haven't talked to him.
1:03:04You're involved.
1:03:05That's just my business.
1:03:05Yeah, I think that's the line.
1:03:06That's what I'm getting at.
1:03:06Me and my mom.
1:03:07This is the last I propose to say to you about that subject.
1:03:33I wouldn't get incivility.
1:03:35It occurs to me that we've got to start compartmentalizing the words.
1:03:38Bob is a hell of a great worker.
1:04:00He has to handle a lot of things.
1:04:01And that's something that should come up.
1:04:02He's going to have to do it in China.
1:04:02So I would, if you can, I'd like to use John to talk about Bob.
1:04:04So I'd like to have you be involved.
1:04:05That would be a good idea.
1:04:05I would really like to talk to him a little bit.
1:04:07I don't want you to worry about this.
1:05:44I told them to come from somewhere.
1:05:56They told us, but what other country?
1:06:01Let me tell you.
1:06:01As you know, there's always some cash around left from the other campaign.
1:06:06I don't know what it is.
1:06:06We probably spend about three times, but I just want to go along with it.
1:06:11Bob has some, I understand.
1:06:12Andrew Bozell's got some.
1:06:12And usually with me,
1:06:13I mean, I would have gotten a hell of a lot if you hadn't.
1:06:29But what would you do?
1:06:32Suppose you wanted to just cash in on it.
1:06:32What the hell would you do?
1:06:33$25,000 is all you need.
1:06:33If you go to South America and stay here, nothing.
1:06:35You'd give it to them all at once.
1:06:35Well, no, I suppose you'd give it to them all at once.
1:06:40You'd give it to them all at once.
1:06:41You'd walk down and give it to them in front of them.
1:06:42So you'd have to give something to them.
1:06:44Well, I know a guy that's got an international business.
1:07:06We could give a guy somewhere.
1:07:07I could find a way to give a guy $100,000, $500,000.
1:07:08We could put this kid down here in the recession.
1:07:09I'm not quite at the suggestion.
1:07:10You have to realize, you know, that it's not unusual.
1:07:11It's like a fully gone scenario.
1:07:12Yeah.
1:07:12And that wasn't bad.
1:07:13Well, in a way, it's a lot worse.
1:07:26Yeah, but that was embarrassing.
1:07:32All right, with that, what's the other possibility?
1:07:37So high.
1:08:16That was me.
1:08:27Yeah, yeah.
1:08:29Don.
1:08:29Well, I go to ask you to put it out of your mind, but to the extent that you can, why don't you just release it now and let us take it out.
1:08:34Well, in a sense, John, it's just as well to let us get the whole goddamn thing out.
1:08:37Get it out now and put it behind us, I guess.
1:08:40I'm also listening to you say that I'm not sure that you and I have some sympathy for you now.
1:08:46Right.
1:08:46on this one, and also on other candidates.
1:09:00They all got the people, the family, the health, the medical, the life, the world.
1:09:02I mean, Bobby Kennedy's son, Bill Foskey's father's a drunk, but they all got time.
1:09:15You're right.
1:09:16You should be a
1:09:17The only other is that we can't control them.
1:09:31But we made a mistake and just did a piece of the document.
1:09:33I, you know, everybody's broken their pick, and the reason they have is that they haven't been used.
1:09:36You know, everybody's borne down on them a long time or another, and finally worn out their welcome.
1:09:39All right.
1:09:40Every week puts a lot of guys on it.
1:09:40Yep.
1:09:40You know, it's like it's no big deal.
1:09:42He hates it when he doesn't.
1:09:54He was tough as hell on his own.
1:09:58I had never met Speedy.
1:09:58Speedy scared him to death when John the Miner was killed.
1:10:01Speedy knows Banner.
1:10:01Banner gave him the chapter book and said, stay away from John the Miner.
1:10:03He's no good.
1:10:03And you told him all the time.
1:10:04And he still goes back to him.
1:10:04Of course, you want to remember they come back to him.
1:10:06Well, that's true.
1:10:07They said about the whole thing, he should just run like hell.
1:10:12Well, I have a D. I'd say, no, this is all out under these circumstances.
1:10:33You must not do it.
1:10:34You must not break over.
1:10:35You aren't seeing important problems coming up.
1:10:36Fair enough.
1:10:37All right.
1:10:37When you get over there, I've got a couple of things to go over.
1:10:38Bob, is that a good excuse to get in an argument?
1:10:39He doesn't make it.
1:10:40Fair enough.
1:10:40Yes, sir.
1:10:40Thank you.
1:10:41No split on it, is there?
1:11:13Do you want Stans to sit on your right tomorrow?
1:11:23Do you have any special honor other than the chair?
1:11:28I just mentioned the chair.
1:11:31Normally you know the leaders.
1:11:32You decided you and the rest didn't know.
1:11:35We'll mix them up in other than the leaders.
1:11:36I don't think Stans needs to.
1:11:36I think we've done enough.
1:11:37We have dinner for him and the rest.
1:11:38You would like to place the leaders on your side.
1:11:39They should be here.
1:11:40The way it always is.
1:11:48His fan should be over there.
1:11:55He'll get enough out of the recognition while he's there.
1:11:58And, you know, it's a little more of those people.
1:11:59He had his day.
1:11:59There they go.
1:12:00There they go.
1:12:00Fair enough?
1:12:00Now, this is simply the leaders and the captain, right?
1:12:03We're not going to have a whole White House staff today, right?
1:12:04Thank you for the ass off the leaders.
1:12:05We have too many White House staff.
1:12:06We're all the same.
1:12:07We're all the same.
1:12:07He hasn't been there.
1:12:38Oh, Skyler.
1:12:52Skyler, not Skyler.
1:12:53Skyler.
1:12:54Yeah, good.
1:13:26Hi, buddy.
1:14:17Hello.
1:14:22Uh, hi, Rob.
1:14:31Not a very afternoon briefing, you know.
1:14:38Oh, just waiting.
1:14:38Oh, Henry's, uh... Oh, Henry's, uh... Oh, he was coming over on the... on the... on the... Oh, I see.
1:14:47Oh, yeah.
1:14:51Oh, that's good.
1:14:51That's good.
1:14:52All right.
1:15:10All right.
1:15:10How does your mark stuff look?
1:15:12Pretty much places down.
1:15:12But it's all right.
1:15:13I think it's all right.
1:15:13Don't you think so?
1:15:16Yeah.
1:15:18some of your stuff about facts and so forth.
1:15:43Okay.
1:15:44I would say that I just don't get it.
1:15:45I put it this way, I'm just not going to comment on the various statements of presidential candidates.
1:15:47I want you to say that.
1:15:48I'm just not going to comment on the earlier statement.
1:16:08And that will sort of get you off the must-be witness.
1:16:09So the muster is a muster.
1:16:10Unless there is a statement back, this is the point of view.
1:16:11And you're not going to comment on the point of view.
1:16:12If there's a statement back, you'll keep the record clear.
1:16:13And that's all.
1:16:14Bye.
1:16:14Bye.
1:16:14Bye.
1:16:18Where she got her eyes all my eyes?
1:16:34Absolutely.
1:16:34Absolutely.
1:16:35Nobody ever called me.
1:16:39No, no, no, no.
1:16:41I was the first person going.
1:16:44No.
1:16:44I don't know who the hell it is.
1:16:50As a matter of fact, as I told you, what concerns me is that God damn few of my friends are cold.
1:17:07It's true.
1:17:07I didn't pick Joe Kraft, Carno, and all those people.
1:17:09No.
1:17:09No.
1:17:09I stayed in the criteria.
1:17:10Yeah.
1:17:10That's right.
1:17:10Yeah.
1:17:11He left it to me.
1:17:11Yeah, he left it to me.
1:17:12The decision is mine.
1:17:12The president approved it.
1:17:14And as you said, without regard to their position, without regard to the President, they fit the criteria.
1:17:28And you could say, for example, now if you read this list, you will find that a considerable number of people are, I want you to make the point that I've not considered to be the President's strongest supporters.
1:17:37Yeah, I'd say publicly.
1:17:40Oh, yeah, absolutely, and that I, well, I didn't tell him.
1:17:44Good God, I didn't tell anybody.
1:17:45We weren't doing that.
1:17:47As a matter of fact, we couldn't get him out of here anyway.
1:17:52Okay.
1:19:00Connection, please.
1:19:15Are you, uh, reading the proper deal here?
1:21:08Oh, I wanted to tell you, either you or Mark can do it, but it's a little behind.
1:21:25I'm waiting for a document, and I'd like for it, I'd like for you to type it, and you get to say that you don't need that time, rather than too far apart from your own home.
1:21:33Yeah, well, the one with the state engine was your usual one.
1:21:47We'll do it that way.
1:21:48But not the three, not the three spaces, but the other one.
1:21:50No, we thought that might make it easier.
1:21:50I don't know what, I know, I'm just, you know, I'm just too old.
1:21:52At some time it might, you might get to it, you mean, but we did that one because we knew it was a final business or practice.
1:21:58It worked out fine.
1:21:58It did pretty well.
1:22:01But did Ray tell you when he thought you'd be ready?
1:22:23No, he said he was putting together two...
1:22:24Drafts.
1:22:24Two drafts or something, and would have something as well.
1:22:26I don't think he said any time.
1:22:26I've got to make them do the work for me.
1:22:28That would be terrible.
1:22:28I would pray for it.
1:22:31They were kind.
1:22:46They all worked on their own.
1:22:48They all worked their good parts.
1:22:52Well, they were wonderful men in the country.
1:22:55Oh, I can hear you speaking.
1:22:55Well, you know, I'm going to tell you.
1:22:56We found today in the street,
1:22:58That's her.
1:23:22It seems that this really exploded the idea that they cut this for the Democrats.
1:23:24I don't know if that's correct.
1:23:24But the adjuncts in the area, what happened was that a month or so ago, a reporter, no, no, no,
1:23:28He was gotten together with Don and Sean Meyers.
1:23:46How long had I had him today?
1:23:46Early until the meeting, probably two years.
1:23:47And everybody warned him for years to stay away from that.
1:23:50Didn't you have one occasion?
1:23:51B.B., everybody had warned him.
1:23:51I didn't specifically talk to him.
1:23:52But you know he did.
1:23:52But I know he did.
1:23:53Yes, I know he did.
1:23:53I remember.
1:23:54And so they proceeded from there.
1:23:54And Don, and the head of the small model, I understand, and Don...
1:23:56They went out for lunch.
1:24:10Don said, you already ate.
1:24:15You look terrible.
1:24:16Well, I already had lunch, but I was trying to live.
1:24:21And Don got up and said, you already ate.
1:24:22You look terrible.
1:24:22I was trying to live.
1:24:38Well, he didn't know who to call.
1:25:02So, you know, Mary would call him out, but they didn't let him come home.
1:25:03And also, Bill said, you know, it's true.
1:25:04So, in any event, I just told John, I said, look, I've got all these problems.
1:25:06Do you want me to do it with my children?
1:25:07No, it's not a thing that is that.
1:25:36It's terribly embarrassing and so forth, but Sue Anderson, we've heard when this went on so long as Friday, Monday, Tuesday, that was not the problem.
1:25:59You know, you didn't find the point of it.
1:26:00First of all, I'm glad you're here now.
1:26:01Yeah, and it may be over, too.
1:26:01And second, what he runs it now, it's a hell of a long story.
1:26:03But yeah, the other thing is...
1:26:03The second thing is, an awful lot of people are somewhat sympathetic about where yellow goes.
1:26:06I think that's right.
1:26:28I just don't, I think people at that point said they can't control it.
1:26:30Well, I, Ray, that's a figure.
1:26:31I have to be there right now.
1:26:31I have to be there right now.
1:26:32I made it from $3.30 to $7.50 to $7.50 to $7.50 to $7.50.
1:26:34Ray is such an air perfectionist.
1:26:54I should have known better.
1:26:54I should have done it myself.
1:26:56I've been reading some of it in the background.
1:26:57I'm trying to understand it.
1:26:57I've got to take time to do that.
1:26:58I just decided, Bob, that I'm just reading some of it.
1:26:59I think that's great.
1:26:59Others thought it would be better to do it the other way in charge.
1:27:01I'm sorry.
1:27:01I was supposed to have done it for hours as well.
1:27:02I was expecting to do it better.
1:27:03I'm sorry.
1:27:03Are you kidding?
1:27:04These guys had no idea how much effort it takes to prepare something.
1:27:21We'd have to speak 50 minutes and be well organized and say something.
1:27:22Goddamnit, I don't do it that way.
1:27:24But anyway, I mean, you can't.
1:27:25That's why I just don't talk about it every day.
1:27:33Bye.
1:27:34Bye.
1:29:15Oh, good.
1:29:41Just wait a second.
1:29:42All right, I think you can get something.
1:29:44who's from America and has to observe themselves as the other nations in the world, they are going to explore what we're after.
1:30:11And you have to observe yourself for some purpose, for what?
1:30:12I chose temporary controls.
1:30:13to the current inflationary license.
1:30:40It was cute, but I don't want to have to hang out there or something.
1:30:41I chose.
1:30:41I don't know what else to say.
1:30:42I don't know what to say.
1:30:42I don't know.
1:30:43to restore the economy and bring jobs.
1:30:58Just to create jobs, to create jobs, to create more jobs.
1:31:10Walmart, I think, will disappear.
1:31:10Our goal in Walmart, our goal is to remove the controls.
1:31:13to get rid of the deficit.
1:31:32Once we move out of off-price, we're going to lose money.
1:31:36This is the Business Leaders of America, where we've got a few other business leaders.
1:31:38Should we call them business leaders yet?
1:31:39You're the Business Leaders of America.
1:31:39It's an industrial conference, and that would tie in with the rest.
1:31:41They would be the industrial leaders.
1:31:42The industrial leaders.
1:31:43It really is an American industry.
1:32:16Okay, that's fine.
1:32:45Fair enough?
1:33:09Okay, thank you.
1:33:16It's a very hot class man.
1:33:31All right.
1:33:40I'm not sure that it's a hot class man.
1:33:40And also, I think, too, we have to realize that I kind of hate to go to the top band, and they are important people, and they are our friends, and I'm probably one of these.
1:33:44Well, the fact that you're being there, the fact that they're being on this big conference, no matter what you say, it's just the fact that
1:34:15What if you got them all ready to die for Richard Nixon?
1:34:40What are they going to do about it?
1:34:41They'll go back.
1:34:41That's the comment they're going to make.
1:34:42They'll go back.
1:34:42Sorry, Joe.
1:34:43But they will.
1:34:43They're going to.
1:34:46Oh.
1:35:18Well, it's getting almost ridiculous.
1:35:44I told Hall, and I said, now look, we're going to come and catch him in time.
1:35:45And we're going to come and catch him in time.
1:35:47We can all divert about too much of our energy to all of it and tie it up into something that is just an insoluble problem.
1:36:09And I think that one of the pros is that he's going to have to be an actual reminder of what's going on.
1:36:11There's a problem that's going to be gone now, I think.
1:36:13Well, it may be that Rose and I shouldn't be in that meeting.
1:36:26I'm not so sure getting that big crowd in there is exactly what we're going to do anyway.
1:36:29You're talking about a body?
1:36:30Don't we agree you should not be in the meeting when you talk to them about this?
1:36:32Huh?
1:36:32Does he understand?
1:36:33that, and all of it, and in relation to this and all the rest, but when he has his program, okay, for now how do we market his marketing program and so forth and so on, then I really think that Don has got to get the cold turkey treatment that he was there to stay the hell away from here.
1:37:00Right?
1:37:00That's the point.
1:37:00I'm not sure that it's probably useful, but
1:37:04Thank you.
1:52:51Their pitch to us is $100,000 for, I don't know, an initial excuse that we should give it.
1:53:11And I told them, I'm sure if you right away heard it, they said, Chuck, you probably could.
1:53:13We'd give it to them.
1:53:14We'd be able to work it out.
1:53:14I'm sure it's not about $30,000.
1:53:15It's about $250,000.
1:53:16I think it was the only one I could see was getting caught.
1:53:26That's it.
1:53:26No problem.
1:53:26No problem.
1:53:27I don't want to create a problem.
1:53:28I don't understand.
1:55:39The thing I want to do is keep our options open.
1:55:59I know he's working.
1:56:01He just may be the only follower that's got the ball.
1:56:02And I think he might be willing to do it.
1:56:03He's mad about it.
1:56:03Henry would quit.
1:56:04That's fine.
1:56:04Henry should.
1:56:04You know, the first four years.
1:56:05He's still going to go on.
1:56:05He's going to make it.
1:56:07I don't think he's going to be able to stay for four more years.
1:56:29I don't think he's going to be able to stay for four more years.
1:56:30I just don't think, I think it's not likely that Henry's going to stay, be able to stay for four more years.
1:56:32No.
1:56:32The big play is over in May, and Henry is, I don't know, the pressure is off.
1:56:34I don't think the pressure is off.
1:56:35I think he's not even subscribing to Aves.
1:56:36Henry is a
1:56:39Build a building and build it up.
1:56:47We can't stay with anything until it's ready.
1:56:53Could be.
1:56:53Nothing bad's been going on, huh?
1:56:54No.
1:56:54Dollars are all there.
1:57:36How about having Rumsfeld go into economic stabilization?
1:58:04I don't want to do it with Rumsfeld alone, but if Rumsfeld can go in and do it with Conley and show up inside of me and without arguing, maybe that's what we should do.
1:58:29Or they don't feel that's necessary.
1:58:29Let me ask Conley knows how busy I am and everything.
1:58:30Why don't you say, now, John, Rumsfeld asked for this.
1:58:32Should we do it before he goes to China or not?
1:58:33And that I think maybe there's a need for that.
1:58:34You'll say yes.
1:58:34I can say yes.
1:58:35He's all set for the weekend.
1:58:56I didn't call him in Texas.
1:58:56I talked to his office just to be sure he was.
1:58:57She said yes to this one.
1:58:58I said, well, please confirm to him that the president is in Texas.
1:58:59I just wanted to be sure he was.
1:59:00I didn't think he was going to be on the end of the year.
1:59:03The real deal that I should make with Conley is something perhaps quite different.
1:59:21I think what we ought to do, and I don't think the Vice President would make a probable move, would be the person who would help us.
1:59:25Who would?
1:59:25I'm not sure it's the best way.
1:59:26Well, I think the best way for John Conley is to go where he ought to be, and that's President.
1:59:28Mr. Secretary, stay there.
1:59:32He would be a bigger man, I think, and he would be as much present as he could be.
1:59:53He'd be Secretary of State, and he'd be far around.
1:59:54He'd be run by Henry.
1:59:55He's awesome.
2:05:54Basically, hey, I told John that it must have been just a mistake.
2:06:16I'm going to sue him.
2:06:17I'm going to make sure he dies.
2:06:17It's correct.
2:06:18I'm sure he will get some praise.
2:06:18I feel sorry for him.
2:06:19I feel sorry for him.
2:06:19I'm worried about him.
2:06:20I feel afraid of falling on him.
2:06:21We're level in this.
2:06:21We've been helping.
2:06:22We know what the problem is.
2:06:22It's always Anderson's business.
2:06:23No way to get out of it properly.
2:06:25Well, he didn't know that.
2:06:46He didn't know that.
2:06:46As he has known, at least, the variance from what Andrew told us today is more than anything.
2:06:48And he had talked to him a few times.
2:06:49Well, he didn't know that before today.
2:06:50And I said, all right, better come home and call him.
2:06:51So he's down probably a few miles.
2:06:51And I said, are there potentials for you to do this?
2:06:52He says, I think all you can do is just let him go.
2:06:55Something over there.
2:07:19I think that's what he just simply said.
2:07:20And so this guy's...
2:07:20He's got nothing to do with any of that stuff.
2:07:21He's never had it.
2:07:22Whatever he does, you know, you don't know about it.
2:07:23You don't know about it.
2:07:23You don't know about it.
2:07:24They're harsh on the privacy of the public in the town.
2:07:52So we've done that .
2:07:52It's got to be very, very clear .
2:07:53.
2:07:53.
2:07:53.
2:07:53.
2:07:53.
2:07:53.
2:07:53.
2:07:53.
2:07:54There's more essentially from him that I've known that I simply cannot have.
2:08:16That I've got to get away from.
2:08:16And that's a tough damn thing.
2:08:17I can't be told about his cause.
2:08:17That's the only way you can get away from him.
2:08:18There's nothing to be told.
2:08:19He's got to understand that's the way it's going to be.
2:09:57I'll tell you, I did the little tape for the teleprompter.
2:10:20There again, it's a little better the other way, but it doesn't make that much difference on any one of those.
2:10:23Absolutely.
2:10:25Those you should always do with the teleprompter.
2:10:26Just go over, read them right off the prompt,
2:10:27Because they, you know, for that kind of purpose, and if it's short, I didn't see, what I was going to do with Graham, when he went to use the teleprompter for his speech, is that, by the time he go five minutes on the teleprompter, he got mesmerized by it.
2:10:50Just like, yeah, everybody, yeah, maybe Graham, but Graham, I mean, I'm not so sure he could put in, I think even he may, except for his disciples.
2:10:55You know what I mean?
2:10:55You're just looking right at it.
2:10:56That's it.
2:11:05And what you can tell, it's a different kind of feeling.
2:11:12But for a great one-minute clip, a little book like that, I don't think people are going to realize it.
2:11:21By the time that starts going on, you're off.
2:11:22You're off.
2:11:22I'm not going to go over a full-on ending show.
2:11:24I hope lots of people think I should, but I'm just not going to do it.
2:11:41Because that's basically what I'm going to do.
2:11:43I'm going to do a whole lot of speeches, and I'm going to try to make a whole lot of the possibility of any reference.
2:11:46And you said after Canada, it would be a very good idea.
2:11:47If I did not, it would have been desirable to do it in a way before Canada would be in front of Florida, but they're exactly in past meetings, and we'll be gone until I can do it.
2:11:52I told, uh, I've never talked to her a little bit more about fussing.
2:12:11So I suggested we go down on the plank and stay in Florida.
2:12:14And that's better.
2:12:16You said Schultz and you were talking about going through the same thing, you know.
2:12:18Well, that's kind of getting me down.
2:12:19I don't know what you're talking about.
2:12:21Oh, oh, that period, yeah.
2:12:25And I remember, I want to try to call the family of the house, not the big house, but my house.
2:12:35Oh, I think a little more coffee.
2:12:54I don't think there's any problem with doing that.
2:13:19I think it is for the spokesman.
2:13:21If you've got a problem with somebody like Henry or Ron,
2:13:23We can't back off of what we say.
2:13:34I mean, it's very easy to back off of what I say if they want to.
2:13:41Well, my question is for Ron.
2:13:42What do you do then if you undercut the quality of it by Scott, for instance, stuck strongly up on my defense today?
2:13:44Yeah.
2:13:45Mansfield kicked me for saying I was abridging Senator Drake's degree speech.
2:13:47And Scott jumped out and said there's been a lot of strong language used in attacking the president, so those people have had a special strong language used in the other Senate.
2:14:11And some of the CR people that are fighting the fight, I think it's a mistake to undercut them.
2:14:12I agree that that may be, and Ron Wofford, which I think is the right way to do it.
2:14:14What he said after all, we're not trying to control free speech, and that actually far outweighs
2:14:17That very clearly made the difference, and it's clear in the action plan that after the President's plan was laid out, with knowledge of the evidence,
2:14:46And, of course, they tried to tie it into Muskie, which doesn't tie it at all, as was stated on the interview.
2:15:04My interview was taped before Muskie's piece of land, before I said that.
2:15:10Muskie was on our side.
2:15:11Muskie had said it, but I can't hear him on the studio.
2:15:12Is that correct?
2:15:13Oh, it may have not been.
2:15:17Hello?
2:15:44Oh, hi.
2:15:48Well, look, it's all right.
2:16:08I'm very happy to be on that thing, because I was one of the people that saw the show.
2:16:12Yeah.
2:16:12I got an awfully good thing, you know, picking up from your cabinet, on the point that, you know, as we face this whole idealistic and accomplishing thing, that we may be great,
2:16:16People were just trying to get a job done.
2:16:36But we are people, you said to us, people who believe very deeply, that they believe in the, not in the talk of idealism, but in the action.
2:16:42I'm sure it's out there.
2:16:43Oh, I've got a good pitch in on that, which people who saw the man on TV will do.
2:16:44It's overshadowed by the other.
2:16:47Today I did the interview with the state, and he was pushing me.
2:17:08He was going on the attack.
2:17:08He was going to do more and more with the state.
2:17:09And I had to go about it.
2:17:10Not today.
2:17:10Oh, I know.
2:17:10He was going on the attack.
2:17:11I was going to tell you what to do.
2:17:16This is a one-shot story.
2:17:35It's dead and gone.
2:17:35The World Report's got two more days.
2:17:37Well, they may.
2:17:46Although, I must say, he's...
2:18:01Since we were using the auditorium for a briefing, and it was not a big firm briefing, and I sent that to him.
2:18:06I wish we had another auditorium.
2:18:06The second part is that, though that Bob Henry is...
2:18:11We've got to remember.
2:18:17Well, it's not too much of a lot.
2:18:19Just for God's sake.
2:18:24This wasn't an official thing.
2:18:27The other thing was, well, I'm going to the Rockies tomorrow.
2:18:36That's fine.
2:18:36Henry will not be there.
2:18:37But I was going to say that Henry was much, much too quick to see
2:18:40nothing but perfection that he does, and to pick up the slightest, you know, deviations in everything.
2:19:04Agon, you know, he didn't, I must say, he's, I mean, I know he's a very good driver and so forth and so on, but, but, I don't know, I don't think he's very good in a party.
2:19:08But, you know,
2:19:09Or is it?
2:19:15Well, it's been...
2:19:18The light doesn't control what's going on, but it does give us all that.
2:19:23But what I did is that it's not a very good thing to do.
2:19:27But a thing like this, goddammit, angry with us.
2:19:28So I used to rally around.
2:19:28Goddammit, that's what I did.
2:19:31I don't believe in this goddamned business of, you know, protecting the rest.
2:19:37Scott was being...
2:19:40Now they come out there consciously.
2:20:10That's basically what I did.
2:20:33Actually, I picked it up almost verbatim.
2:20:34And I didn't specify a Senate candidate.
2:20:35And I said, pretty much, I'll just give you a survey.
2:20:36And that's when I partied around for about a little while.
2:20:37And then I just figured it out.
2:20:38And that's how I did it.
2:20:39You'll get a play in the likes of The Times and The Post and that sort of thing.
2:21:02You've got to figure that and you'll relearn it.
2:21:03The point is that if you go to work the end of the week, whether you have to override it or not, it's not so hard to play.
2:21:06It's not so hard to play.
2:21:10.
2:21:39.
2:21:39.
2:21:39.
2:21:39.
2:21:41I think that was good.
2:21:45I think that was the muskie of any piece.
2:21:55I think that was the muskie of weakness.
2:22:01And the editorial, I don't, don't at all buy this kind of piece of stuff.
2:22:06I just want to go muskie up.
2:22:06You just can't let a guy have a free ride of being constantly pumped.
2:22:08And they couldn't have let this piece of stuff make it a free ride.
2:22:10Maybe not.
2:22:30Maybe it was not too hard.
2:22:31Well, it's not always a question of judging the call through.
2:22:32Sure.
2:22:32And so we made a play that was just right.
2:22:33You know, you don't know what's going to bounce or what's going to bounce.
2:22:34Ron moved out on it that first day and didn't really get anything.
2:22:36He didn't get anything on it at all.
2:22:37But we did it pretty hard.
2:22:37The Rodgers thing was quite hyper.
2:22:38Rodgers had a lot of interest in it.
2:26:17and crime is the other one, but crime you can't do anything about.
2:26:33It's kind of like that.
2:26:34But dope is somewhat the same.
2:26:35Yeah, but we can do more about dope than we can about crime.
2:26:38You just get some arrests.
2:26:39You know, I think the arrests are pushers.
2:26:40That's what I mean.
2:26:40You know, the Jaffee office is fine, but that's compassion.
2:26:41That's taking care of eggs.
2:26:42What the people really want, they want to have.
2:26:44That's what they want.
2:26:44It's kind of interesting, you know, that this
2:26:45movie, which is one of the big movies of the year, French Connection, is about, you know, shipping a load of heroin, and this cop who tracks it all down, and then can't get the wrap on it, and then it's better because there are a bunch of laws, and the way they handle it, and it gets people very upset about the laws, and then there's the other big movie now, it's Dirty Harry, and
2:27:13which is also about a very tough cop.
2:27:39And he plays this role very airy.
2:27:40It's a movie you ought to see.
2:27:41It's pretty good.
2:27:41It's got a lot of rough lines.
2:27:42But it's a good movie because it's about a tough cop who
2:27:43In this case, it's a sniper in San Francisco who goes up on rooftops and kills people with a gun.
2:27:56And then extorting the city, demanding $200,000 from the mayor to stop killing these people.
2:28:02Well, this cop goes out and finally traps the guy.
2:28:05It's a very difficult case to find the guy.
2:28:07Finally catches the guy.
2:28:07And then the DA calls the cop in and just raises hell with him.
2:28:08He says, you should have trapped that guy.
2:28:10You went into his, you busted open his apartment.
2:28:12It's not without a search warrant.
2:28:13Well, the audience all goes, boo.
2:28:26In other words, it's inciting people on exactly the other side.
2:28:29And then the DA says, oh, I can't take the case.
2:28:30There's nothing we can do.
2:28:31Haven't you ever heard of Escobedo?
2:28:33Haven't you ever heard of Browns?
2:28:35Two cases.
2:28:36And goes through that whole thing.
2:28:37And the audience just is very emotionally stirred up.
2:28:38They're very upset.
2:28:39So then the cop gets pissed off when he goes out and tracks the guy down first when he kills him.
2:28:44And then takes his police badge off and throws it in the river.
2:29:03But at least he saved the city from the murder of the people of Jeer.
2:29:06It's like an old bell in town.
2:29:07I've got to see it.
2:29:07I think you should.
2:29:07It's David.
2:29:08You'll be able to see it.
2:29:08David, of course, was one of the police.
2:29:09He was the second one.
2:29:10He saw everything bad in that area.
2:29:10I saw it too.
2:29:11Very nervous.
2:29:11Very nervous.
2:29:13We'll get you.
2:29:30I decided I was just going to read something to you tonight.
2:29:33Well, frankly, you know, the time I get through, I'm going to tell you about it.
2:29:39I'm going to tell you about it.
2:29:42Of course, I'm doing other things, which are important, too, in my region.
2:30:02I don't go in there with total insensitivity to Chinese history and all the rest.
2:30:04I don't mean the history of China, but the country of China.
2:30:07made that point without giving a name to the books.
2:30:27They'll give it a name.
2:30:27You got a problem with that one.
2:30:31Well, then they'll find one of them.
2:30:33It's a conference.
2:30:34Most of them are.
2:30:34So why don't you read that?
2:30:35I read them all through the books, too.
2:30:36I said, you can come up with additional questions that you want to state at the MSC.
2:30:37I hope you do something on those guys.
2:31:06I want all of them to take special treatment on Russia.
2:31:07Right.
2:31:07Because he has an internal problem.
2:31:20But we talked to him.
2:31:21The papers, Nicole's papers are totally satisfied with Wilson's bail.
2:31:33But it's quite a case, you know, personally, because he's had a long time running for bail.
2:31:35Well, what the hell?
2:31:36Didn't Nicole's papers select him?
2:31:36No.
2:31:37You can't find one more spot for Clark?
2:31:58It's too bad, there's just... Oh, Clark.
2:32:022000 requests down to, I know, 60 people here.
2:32:04You're going to have some unhappy people.
2:32:05Clark is going to find him in the Russian prison.
2:32:06Hold on, hold on, hold on.
2:32:07I remember I did raise the question.
2:32:30I said it doesn't make any difference.
2:32:31Yeah.
2:32:43I know.
2:32:49I was lying all the rest of the time.
2:32:50What the hell were you saying?
2:32:55Oh, I was asking them.
2:32:55I said, I was asking one of my cousins.
2:32:57I said, obviously, I discussed the criteria.
2:32:58I came out of it, but I said, you know, the decision was made.
2:32:59It's worth having to work on this stuff.
2:33:00I wouldn't have selected half of them.
2:33:19The Washington Post, the New York Times, and the Los Angeles Times.
2:33:21We have, frankly, our enemies that run our ears.
2:33:26Boston Globe, who's not on the rest of these days.
2:33:29Thank God.
2:33:41Well, they've never worked it out in consideration, but they're going to be in trouble.
2:33:52Those two.
2:33:52Why are they going to be in trouble?
2:33:53Well, New State falls into the hands of the president.
2:33:54Well, we'll rationalize it that way.
2:33:55If they do, after all, they do have a time service on it.
2:33:56I see why you're trying to do that.
2:33:57If that's it.
2:33:57How about the little Rebecca?
2:34:21What's her name?
2:34:22Has she been in?
2:34:22Oh, sure.
2:34:22Well, Sarah McClellan.
2:34:23The Boston Globe.
2:34:24I say, no, you couldn't take all the criteria.
2:34:25But see, we picked some.
2:34:25On the other hand, I think this is where you bought something by putting on a craft and putting on the
2:34:28And they asked me how would you make a name on it.
2:34:45I said, well, we wanted to select us, so I wanted to select them.
2:34:47They're all segments.
2:34:47They're broadcast commentators, but they're also very common.
2:34:48They have two columns.
2:34:49And in order to cover all segments, we had to have two columns.
2:34:50Now, how did we pick them?
2:34:51We picked them based upon their number, based on their cover, and also on their viewpoint.
2:34:52Everyone knows that there's only one sense in certain employment areas.
2:34:54Well, it's a substantial increase.
2:35:24Well, you did select them, Ron.
2:35:44You remember you brought in the list and I struck off the Washington Post and put them back on.
2:35:50I didn't even have a goddamn thing to do with anything.
2:35:51The point I made was that I simply discussed
2:35:52You need to get the exercise, you're vetoed.
2:36:14I don't fight it.
2:36:18You're vetoed for over and over.
2:36:18How did they come up with the date and before that session?
2:36:22I didn't see their placement, so I don't want to, or the editorial board.
2:36:44The Times and the Post were in their hands, and I said, I don't know, this is McCarthyism.
2:36:47That's what they're called, McCarthyism.
2:36:48I'd just like to see one of them, who spoke up well, and the girl who cried out to me the other night,
2:36:52the president actually quit murdering children.
2:37:13Did anybody indicate any of the liberal columns concerned about that sort of thing?
2:37:15Not a lot.
2:37:15Not a lot did.
2:37:15Well, I'm not complaining about it, except for stating it's a fact of life.
2:37:21I'm aware of an arrest.
2:37:21And how did Henry
2:37:22... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
2:37:50No.
2:38:17I think Henry could have... No, actually, I was telling Bob earlier... You've got to round it around.
2:38:37I don't mean Henry should have said, well, it depends on all of us, but he should have said, now look here, and let us all understand the positive side.
2:38:43The positive side is that any peace proposal, the chances of it succeeding is greatly increased to the extent that it has support from
2:38:47If there's division, we've got to make that trade and wait and see if the chances are greatly reduced.
2:39:05That's the next question.
2:39:05I'm not sure you want Henry to do that debate.
2:39:07All you do, what they do, I think he's better off to have done it.
2:39:08Because if he had played it, they would have said, Kissinger joins attack on Muskegon.
2:39:11I'm a storage owner.
2:39:13Is that what they say?
2:39:28Yeah.
2:39:31Well, you made that point, though, didn't you, Ron?
2:39:34Sure.
2:39:34Did that carry the story?
2:39:37No.
2:39:38No?
2:39:38No, the fact that you said it wouldn't call me.
2:39:39They ignored that.
2:39:39But they didn't tell me.
2:39:43They can't, they don't.
2:40:00Well, they can.
2:40:02I think they wouldn't.
2:40:02Actually, the story's quite right, because it's about the number of structures formed in the U.S. in the present, and then you think of the line, which is all right, and then the part where you emphasize, and it's really a little bit more of an emphasis on the other lines.
2:40:10Well, they picked up your stuff very well.
2:40:11Which is a better story than a review.
2:40:12Yeah.
2:40:16Well, you can prepare, if you will, a little line for me for Thursday.
2:40:34My idea was to do it Thursday at 4 o'clock and walk out at, I'll say, about 5 to 10 minutes, or 5 to 8 minutes, perhaps, and state where we're going.
2:40:37I didn't know the gas or how far.
2:40:38You're going to do it in the local office?
2:40:39Okay, yes.
2:40:39You said walk out?
2:40:40Walk out.
2:40:40Yeah.
2:40:40Walk out of the local office.
2:40:41And I'll say, now, we'll just take your questions and answer them.
2:41:06And then we'll have a press conference.
2:41:07All right.
2:41:07Let it run.
2:41:07All right, let it run.
2:41:0830.
2:41:08Let it run.
2:41:0830, a little over 30 minutes.
2:41:09Let it run.
2:41:0935.
2:41:09Limited to the.
2:41:09But you think that's a good idea.
2:41:10And I'll give extended answers this time.
2:41:11That's very good.
2:41:12I'm terribly sorry about it.
2:41:36You might give him a call after you leave here, so it's better to be disappointed in him than not calling him.
2:41:38He said that he wanted something to be done, and this would satisfy him.
2:41:40The president said he used to be on the president's
2:41:42in the pool, I'm selected.
2:42:04He's not to say it.
2:42:05I mean, he can't be trusted.
2:42:06I can't be caught.
2:42:06The president said he would be on that pool.
2:42:07And there's going to be some real substance here.
2:42:08And it's as much as good.
2:42:08And it's, you know, life deserves to go on everything.
2:42:10So we just couldn't, couldn't justify it.
2:42:13Do you want to ask Ron something?
2:42:41No.
2:42:41Oh, good.
2:42:41Go ahead.
2:42:43You can put that out at any time of the day and day.
2:43:05It's not important, but it's here.
2:43:06You give yourself a run for your money.
2:43:07Yes, sir.
2:43:07Okay.
2:43:07We got an answer from the Russians today about, you know, we sent them a copy of your speech.
2:43:10Which one?
2:43:11On Vietnam.
2:43:11Oh, Vietnam?
2:43:11Yes.
2:43:11Oh, no, it was a very, much gentler than the Chinese reply, you know, they're going,
2:43:14Very gentle reply.
2:43:20They don't state any of you at all.
2:43:30They just say, you and me think there's something wrong with us.
2:43:36And very, very mild reply.
2:43:38And at the end of the day, that's what they're showing you to continue to believe.
2:43:41The conflict in Vietnam can and must be solved by a peaceful way on the basis of respect for the lawful rights of its people.
2:43:55We are ready to facilitate overcoming the difficulties that arise on the way.
2:43:59On this way.
2:44:01And this doesn't mean anything by itself.
2:44:04But then we went into a long discussion asking very many specific questions to bring answers to.
2:44:07Which we've never done before.
2:44:08To bring a difference?
2:44:08Yeah.
2:44:09I have understood all of it.
2:44:10On our proposal, let us do the barricade and then get a barrel.
2:44:26I think they have a real problem of, you know, left people because of people.
2:44:28I think they've got a real problem.
2:44:47You think he did?
2:44:55He wrote his plan.
2:44:57I don't know what impressed him.
2:45:01He wrote his plan, and he agreed with her.
2:45:09I trust that you're getting the word through the brief.
2:45:17No, no, he told me again that they have decided you're going to win the election.
2:45:30And for the first time, he said that the North Vietnamese are worried what will happen after your election, that the North Vietnamese said that you're going to win the election.
2:45:40And they said they're making an agreement that you're going to win.
2:45:43How do they know you're going to keep it after the election?
2:45:50I said, let me put it this way, you don't make an agreement now.
2:45:55You asked him what he's going to do after the election, because a violent response is not unnatural to the president.
2:46:01He said, I like the way you put it.
2:46:09I would say it's natural.
2:46:09So beginning to percolate, this thing has really put the cat among the tips.
2:46:13They're dancing all over the place.
2:46:16And see, McGovern, come out today, what was it about?
2:46:21Total withdrawal.
2:46:24And two months.
2:46:25And overthrowing Jews.
2:46:26Oh, yeah.
2:46:27Yes.
2:46:28What the hell is that?
2:46:30It's surrender.
2:46:30Well, it is.
2:46:31It's worse than surrender.
2:46:31It's not only...
2:46:32It isn't enough for us to surrender.
2:46:34We've got to make these power allies surrender, too.
2:46:40Good point.
2:46:41Still, I don't think it's common in today's day.
2:46:42Yeah.
2:46:42Was that what he did?
2:46:51He did his thing on Muskie.
2:46:57Oh, he carved Muskie in the middle.
2:46:58What did he say?
2:46:58He told him that Muskie's thing was a, he chopped him up completely on his proposal.
2:47:02Well, first he chopped his proposal to pieces, but then what's even more shocking is he printed a conversation he had with Muskie.
2:47:06which makes it obvious that Muskie didn't know your proposal was our proposal.
2:47:14Well, that's right.
2:47:17He reported that Muskie, he said, well, let me read to you what the Precursor said, and he read it, and said that it was obvious Muskie didn't even know what the proposal was.
2:47:25He said, let me read to the Precursor, just read it.
2:47:27And he said, but that's my position.
2:47:30Why are they knocking me?
2:47:31That's my position.
2:47:31And Alcom said he's right, except for one significant difference.
2:47:33But...
2:47:34Well, not a political thing.
2:47:40He had a political thing.
2:47:41Oh, he didn't know we had a May 31st plan.
2:47:48He didn't know they were deceased.
2:47:58He didn't understand anything.
2:47:59I'll tell you this.
2:48:02I'm trying to get through this.
2:48:25I must admit, I haven't read that degree of baseball yet, but I'm sure it may fit a very good memorandum in your memorandum.
2:48:28It's a fascinating bit of history.
2:48:28I hope you handle this trip well.
2:48:32and all the rest, I mean, his old, all this crap, much better than the rest.
2:48:44Oh, you've got the actual exchange that I gave up with this year?
2:48:47It's May 7th.
2:48:47That's right, February 7th.
2:48:48I was wondering which one it was, the February 7th, the one I sent you today.
2:48:50I haven't been, see, I'm not going to read your, I'm going to say the,
2:48:53interminable conversations of war.
2:48:59I just wanted you to get a flavor of what he does when he attacks.
2:49:01This is, I thought, at his speed, and how I counterattacked.
2:49:09But I think what you handled was extremely well.
2:49:15But I was, you know, with all of his brigades, some of his stories went out to you.
2:49:22I like them.
2:49:23Oh, yes.
2:49:28Now, it would not be my intention to carry them out.
2:49:42I mean, to take them off because they're acceptable.
2:49:44In the last eight years, those pioneers in the war were the British at that time.
2:49:45They had a great empire.
2:49:46The sun never set in the British flag.
2:49:47At that time, the British empire was most proud of believing in itself in the Victorian age.
2:49:50That was about 25 years before Queen Victoria became queen.
2:50:02Fifty years before she became queen.
2:50:05No, she became queen.
2:50:06No, no, I'm sorry.
2:50:07You're right, 50 years.
2:50:10But the Victorian age, I think that might be Victorian.
2:50:11It may be the way the Chinese were having this.
2:50:12They mean Victorian in the sense of victory age, rather than Victorian.
2:50:15But I just made a mistake.
2:50:17And he goes on to say, at that time, there was only one country, France, not even the whole country, France, but only the part of Lafayette, what the United States is, that's pure bullshit.
2:50:39Lafayette was a symbol, but the French fleet, rather than the French troops, made possible war towns, you all know that.
2:50:42So, I mean, these are little things, but I'll take, if I have to take the Chinese history, I'll know all this.
2:50:46And he said, the Americans were the first to employ guerrilla war and be victorious.
2:50:56This is a very good lesson for the people of the world.
2:50:59Utterly untrue.
2:51:01The battles in the Revolutionary War were set in pieces.
2:51:05Almost all of them set in pieces battles.
2:51:06In fact, they would have been better had they been guerrillas.
2:51:07But he was wrong about that.
2:51:11Well, I was listening.
2:51:12We believe that people should be allowed to win liberation through their own efforts.
2:51:32I just put it up here without any outside help.
2:51:40For instance, as I mentioned, in China, the United States forces and the other forces are powerful in China.
2:51:54They're not going to grow completely.
2:51:59We will, of course, support the leaders in China.
2:52:00Pursue them in their orders, you know, and the result of that will be new tensions.
2:52:04Here again, we get out.
2:52:05They stay in.
2:52:05You know, it's a double standard deal.
2:52:08Oh, yeah.
2:52:08But he sure sticks to silver.
2:52:10The Soviet Union would agree to such terms, but not put it into effect.
2:52:17But on our side, if we agree to do something, we will truly do it.
2:52:19He hasn't got a chance.
2:53:22But the Prime Minister is under no illusion that we will tolerate any discussion of our domestic security community, no matter what he thinks of it.
2:53:36And then, Joe, but I don't think we should not oppose the general administration.
2:53:38But I don't think we should not oppose the general administration.
2:53:44Mr. President, I would like to see your draft.
2:53:45Mr. President, Mr. President.
2:53:50And then he said, it's obvious that on many important points, Kennedy said, we have a different world out there, as I told you on the first one, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the first, on the
2:54:19and we should support the national liberation of all peoples and not interfere with other countries, big or small.
2:54:37Of course, that's a total contradiction.
2:54:38He says, on the one hand, with regard to all countries, we should not agree to be American suppliers, but we should support the national liberation of all peoples and not interfere.
2:54:43Totally.
2:54:43That's the conscience deal.
2:54:44Liberation, we support.
2:54:44$800 million for this, $800 million for that.
2:54:52They have their problems, too.
2:55:04Mr. President, I'm getting together for you a book on the actual conduct of Canadians.
2:55:15And I wanted to ask you about it.
2:55:16I'm making it a little longer than usual.
2:55:17Usually, I only give you two pages.
2:55:18But this time, I'm giving you three or four pages of how the Chinese think of this problem.
2:55:21What I will almost certainly say
2:55:22So when I finally come down to it, you know, I'm going to have to, really after I finish this, determine the background, which is not really deep.
2:55:43I mean, in one sense, you don't need it at all.
2:55:45But in another sense, it's totally dispensing.
2:55:47I think you might consider reading the, not the verbatim accounts of the meetings, because I can pick out the key elements of those for you, but the memos I wrote, which are an essential, and then
2:56:16by briefing papers this time.
2:56:26The State Department briefing papers are almost useless.
2:56:33They're very useless.
2:56:34You're not a man.
2:56:34You have a deadly contagion for the whole trip.
2:56:39They're so dead.
2:56:39I told you to go to bed.
2:56:39Today you're going to stay less than that.
2:56:40And he wouldn't help you because you've seen him.
2:56:41Why are they presented?
2:56:42They don't have authority.
2:56:43They must have horses.
2:56:44They're not in good shape.
2:56:45at any rate that's what they've done they really are I mean to think that you have to sit through sessions which show each of which goes on six hours with just eight points in front of you for each session it's impossible at any rate you can read things easily I don't disagree with them they're not wrong in fact they're right but what we've done is
2:57:14But if you think it's too long, I'll cut it down.
2:57:32Oh, it'll be fine.
2:57:34We're giving you a... That is coming, however.
2:57:35You'll have it tonight, tomorrow morning.
2:57:36Or tomorrow afternoon.
2:57:36Well, I don't see it tomorrow morning.
2:57:37I have to...
2:57:37I have a chance.
2:57:38I've got to give my mother a chance tomorrow.
2:57:39But then you'll have it for the rest of the morning.
2:57:40Now that we have... Well, you can read the first thing.
2:57:41Well, let me say you have it by three o'clock tomorrow.
2:57:43What I would recommend is what you might consider really good.
2:57:55It's not the transcripts, but the memos of the media that I've had.
2:58:00Because they'll give you a flavor of it.
2:58:02I try to write them to the atmosphere.
2:58:03The memorandum.
2:58:03The memorandum, yeah.
2:58:04That's in the big, great big case.
2:58:05I don't look for it.
2:58:06That's what I'll send to Florida.
2:58:07Yes, but I sent two separate things.
2:58:08I sent two books of transcripts of media.
2:58:09I don't think I want to read.
2:58:10Those you don't want to read yet, or you better own.
2:58:20And one book which has all the memos, I don't know if you've read any after.
2:58:26Those I want to read.
2:58:27Those you might want to read first, because they'll give you the history in a narrative form.
2:58:32After that, and I will have for you by tomorrow afternoon, some of the key positions.
2:58:34But each of them is about eight pages long.
2:58:37There isn't too much.
2:58:38No.
2:58:38But what it has is how do the Chinese look at it?
2:58:47What will they say?
2:58:48What do we recommend you should say?
2:58:53And then what is the communique language that's already agreed to on that subject?
2:59:04How do we give this?
2:59:04How do we colorize it?
2:59:05I'll take all this stuff out of that and give him the rest of it.
2:59:08Well, just wait a little while.
2:59:28Let's just do it.
2:59:35As we get, let's do it as we, when we start out, I think we've got lots of time, and I'm working on the dam stuff, and we're all busy.
2:59:51When we start working on the plane, I don't, I don't, I think it's vitally important not to have any leaks before, before we begin.
2:59:59Before it's all dated.
3:00:02On the way to China.
3:00:02Yeah.
3:00:02Sure.
3:00:02It takes four days to get to China.
3:00:03What you can say then is at this time, if you're taking the state stuff, you're taking your stuff, and I told you to get it down to the farms, and we can all understand something, you understand the problem, the same papers, and then we're going to have a, you know, that'll, you know, you can get it.
3:00:31at that time.
3:00:48What I have in there is also what I've already told them.
3:00:49You should make sure that, unless you physically, that in each category where I have told them something, that you read it further.
3:00:58Because that will make it very serious.
3:00:59I will.
3:00:59I don't know what we said.
3:00:59I mean, we haven't had final work, you know, with that one.
3:01:02The final words of the poem.
3:01:18On what?
3:01:20On what?
3:01:21Reception.
3:01:21You're going to have the braveness of its love all over the place.
3:01:24Well, as far as the Chinese are concerned.
3:01:25So, is it quite exactly cool or a warm reception?
3:01:26Oh, it would be very...
3:01:27It would certainly be fairly warm.
3:01:27I thought that they had picked out some of the...
3:01:30And as a matter of fact, I don't think it makes a hell of a lot of difference.
3:01:44I mean, if they don't have big crowds, it's because it's controlled.
3:01:48Oh, yeah.
3:01:48They do.
3:01:48It's business controlled also.
3:01:53Of course.
3:01:54My view about it is that the most important picture about it, the two, the most important one would be more than anything else.
3:01:58as far more important than anything else as the run for the play around where the second most important position will of course be running on
3:02:29Those are the tools.
3:02:51Now, beyond that, going to the wall, with the planner in session, the bandwidth, and all the rest will be very interesting.
3:02:53It's very, very exciting.
3:02:54I was at a panel at a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,
3:02:58How's she going?
3:03:25Pretty good coverage.
3:03:25No, no, no, no, no.
3:03:26I mean, nobody can complain about it.
3:03:33Some of them just had 48 hours to try to get the beat to be drunk.
3:03:48Well, were they able to sell the idea?
3:03:52After you talk with Porter, we don't have much time.
3:03:53What I'm getting at, though, is you see the validity of it.
3:03:55And you told him I wanted to think of other things like this, something that is magic and something that is different.
3:03:59It's a disgrace, you know, once I told them.
3:04:00It is just that I have to tell them that they all recognize that it was a good idea.
3:04:19And they're really going to hit.
3:04:21They'll have enough targets.
3:04:22Every plane that flies into that area for 48 hours against every...
3:04:24They must know that they have a can of guns.
3:04:26Well, and also we couldn't get lucky.
3:04:27I mean, after all... You might get a division.
3:04:28If they get a division, people are...
3:04:29They may knock their whole bloody thing into a... Well, here it is.
3:04:30What if his wife insists about a good, lucky son where they can't miss everything all the time?
3:04:48The other thing you have to remember, too, is that...
3:04:51It's in a sense, Henry, I know that there's as well as anybody that these are not set in these battles.
3:04:53I know that there's guerrilla warfare and arrest and so forth and so on.
3:04:55But on the other hand, they're lining up here for a massive assault with a hell of a lot of people.
3:04:58It is going to be more like a 17th battle, correct?
3:05:16Now, if that is the case, what we should then do is, what I am really talking about is the equivalent of an artillery barrage, which should come before they hit and knock the shit out of them.
3:05:25Why not?
3:05:25We have to know approximately where they have to go.
3:05:26And even if we don't hit them, it must be moralized.
3:05:28I thought they would attack before that.
3:05:44They look more, they're very federated.
3:05:47I think so.
3:05:48Yes, because we can hit them after March 1st.
3:05:51We can't hit them before we go to China.
3:05:53We get an attack in the north.
3:05:57I think we've got the liberals completely confused now.
3:06:23Brayton has written two favourable comments on Europe.
3:06:24He said to me, he's now rooting for us because we don't have a very...
3:06:25He said he won't... What did he say about that?
3:06:26Brayton saw that, though.
3:06:28Do you remember, we said, I'll give you another thing.
3:06:42Henry, you, was he hit correctly?
3:06:45I'm glad that you told me that.
3:06:53No, we invited him to the challenge.
3:06:54But nevertheless, that won't apply.
3:06:54But my point is, one of these things that we have to bear in mind is that this is one thing that bears off totally what we have said in our briefings.
3:06:59And bears out, too, exactly what I said in that Danville speech about three different times.
3:07:11I said they all insisted on overthrowing the government of South Vietnam.
3:07:17And they did.
3:07:17Mr. President, you didn't say in your speech that on August 16th we made another military proposal.
3:07:20What you said was on August 16th we gave them a precise deadline, which is true.
3:07:24But we made that part of a general proposal.
3:07:27But that makes it even better because it implies to these two crypto-carnivores that had we been willing to play with them about the election, they would have settled.
3:07:47But that isn't true because we were willing to publish a set of principles during the summer which we thought would affect the election, which we hoped it would affect the election.
3:07:54He said if we would have set a deadline during the summer, that would have affected the election.
3:08:09We offered them a deadline three times during the summer.
3:08:13They're getting it deeper and deeper, and our opponents are just totally freaked out.
3:08:16And I think... Well, I think they're...
3:08:17I think our opponents are going to be forced now to... To go to the McGoverns.
3:08:19Exactly.
3:08:19That is the only possible position.
3:08:20Yeah, and I wonder if the American people, I wonder if some people...
3:08:24They may say, well, President, we'll lend the war kickers to, you know, who the hell cares?
3:08:45Who the hell cares?
3:08:46We want to support South Vietnam.
3:08:46We've carried this long enough.
3:08:47I don't think you can make much of a case, even though we say we can't overthrow our ally and settle it with one thing, surrender is enough, another.
3:08:50You see what I mean?
3:08:50I think whoever said that, let me say, we'll never do it.
3:08:52But I think we have to realize that these bad people are so...
3:08:54so close to being more amoral.
3:09:12And they're just not getting close.
3:09:13And in terms of American support, you really ought to agree with how most people say that.
3:09:15But anyway, I don't know any senior journalists who've not said that.
3:09:16Well, it may be that some of the journalists will say that you can't do that.
3:09:18They've got to say it.
3:09:19It's so wrong.
3:09:19Well, that's what I think the assessment is, isn't it?
3:09:22except for the, you know, there's that same 25, 30 percent.
3:09:36Oh, yeah, that's 25.
3:09:40Nevertheless, one thing, Bob, that you have to do, I saw a UPI story that said all the field evidence-wise were kind of controlled, just
3:09:47So a very disturbing story that picked up three people.
3:10:03But my point is, I had Markman do something earlier last week sometime after Henry had gone over there.
3:10:10I said, now, get out the news with regard to the attitudes.
3:10:12Was that done?
3:10:12Yes.
3:10:12Three or four very good stories.
3:10:13Forget it.
3:10:14I didn't want to say it.
3:10:15I didn't say it.
3:10:15Those don't make, apparently don't make our news.
3:10:16There was one over the weekend, there was one during.
3:10:31Yeah.
3:10:31You see, Hughes wrote me a memorandum, which I looked at yesterday, which bore out this point.
3:10:35Then I picked up the other Sunday, and it was UPI's story, and I know that.
3:10:40It gives to Skell, the Hughes memorandum.
3:10:42And he knows the rest of it.
3:10:43And he works with Stuart, his attendant.
3:10:43Yeah.
3:10:44I'm probably the guy who wrote the story.
3:10:45I don't want to get the impression around that we have at least turned some of the lives in our direction.
3:11:07We haven't.
3:11:08Well, it's about meaning we had all the ones that were dead.
3:11:10Now, this is what the FBI does.
3:11:10If you read the story, they cover themselves very well.
3:11:13They say President Nixon failed in one of the major things of his presidency.
3:11:15in that he did not win back the dissident BOWI's.
3:11:21Well, he didn't.
3:11:25There's a group of politicized BOWI's that you know.
3:11:32It's like saying he didn't win back that Veterans of Vietnam, you know, against the war guy that John Kerry was, and he didn't win him back either.
3:11:39Or win McCloskey back.
3:11:40That's an idiotic kind of a story.
3:11:41What they're saying is that the people who were against you are still against you.
3:11:54Well, those people who were adamant against you are still against you.
3:12:02That's the political side of the O.W.
3:12:04I see that represent, as Don pointed out, maybe several hundred, but only several dozen.
3:12:07It's a bad story.
3:12:07It ought to be corrected.
3:12:07No question.
3:12:08I think the only story that's written that way, I mean, it's intentionally written in this league.
3:12:10I don't know who did it.
3:12:11I don't know, it would be interesting to find out.
3:12:24Because if it's the guy that's going to China with us, I'd be knowing hard.
3:12:30It's factually correct, but it's very misleading.
3:12:32See, because we do not want, we don't want a guy that's going to China with us to get away with anything that is factually wrong, because we're going to have to keep it factually right there.
3:12:37Right, Henry?
3:12:37Absolutely.
3:12:38Nail the facts.
3:12:38If we actually put the announcement through,
3:12:40That was the most, if I ever thought, if I ever thought that life did not further my desire to survive, that was, I saw that happen.
3:13:09There was Griffith.
3:13:17Griffith came to the West Coast and then wrote an article for which he wouldn't have had to move out of his office.
3:13:34He could have picked up in any coffee house in New York.
3:13:35You know, it must have been a little package, you know.
3:13:36He used that pan to heat it up.
3:13:37Yeah.
3:13:37He was dead honest.
3:13:37He probably had to do it again.
3:13:38He did.
3:13:39I think every time these bloody Democrats...
3:13:58I think they've weakened themselves.
3:14:00It's such a critical performance.
3:14:00At least all the knowledgeable people.
3:14:01I don't know any vegan journalists in town right now.
3:14:04with the Confederates.
3:14:13Well, it's terrible.
3:14:16They're struggling over each other now, trying to sell out the... Well, who's going to sell out?
3:14:24Well, they're struggling over each other to sell out America, sell out our allies, sell out 17 million South Vietnamese.
3:14:28Right, it's blood bad.
3:14:28Let alone... You know, in fact, quite a rhetorical...
3:14:29I remember that last paragraph.
3:14:30I forgot who said it, but the boy said it.
3:14:31And that'll be the end of all...
3:14:32The honor of this nation.
3:14:43And they want to destroy it.
3:14:55And we could have done that in this country as well.
3:14:56Could somebody worry about it?
3:14:56I was infusing the word by honor.
3:14:57Let's do it, Altaf, who's, you know, who's presented.
3:14:58I don't think he wants to.
3:14:59We had several men on the way.
3:14:59It was good, you know.
3:15:00The Chinese did?
3:15:21We did.
3:15:24Yeah, the Chinese.
3:15:30I appreciate that.
3:15:48It must have been a good day.
3:15:50What do you mean?
3:15:50Not to O'Connor?
3:15:51Not to O'Connor.
3:15:51Huh?
3:15:51Not to O'Connor.
3:15:51He should have canceled his speaking engagements.
3:15:52Oh, I was trying to say.
3:15:53He could have doubled his fee on every speaking engagement by saying, I can't come now because I've looked at China with President Nixon.
3:15:56I'd be glad to reschedule a month later.
3:15:57You realize, Henry, that everyone can turn off the seat.
3:15:58commentators who do it from China.
3:16:13From there on, you can pick audiences all over the country and get $500 to $1,000.
3:16:19$250 to $500 and some up to $1,000 are cracked.
3:16:20That's what they pay on earnings.
3:16:22It's like the National's going to do it.
3:16:23And they'll all do it.
3:16:25See, they can do it.
3:16:25They all make their fee.
3:16:28Don't worry about yourself.
3:16:49Well, I tell you, they're lucky to go.
3:16:49And the Chinese surprised me that they took so many.
3:16:53Well, we expected 20.
3:16:54We got them up to 85.
3:16:56And we got up to 85 and a ground station.
3:16:58I'll let you go.
3:17:18Can I do it?
3:17:19Apparently the Chinese are putting one in in Shanghai.
3:17:20All the way through is, of course, I can see why they would be the hang child.
3:17:21It's almost like the mechanism.
3:17:24must be a city where all Chinese were there.
3:17:43And it kept them in trouble for a while.
3:17:46One thing, too, all this is used to talk about headlines.
3:17:48If it's not next week, no one will hear the next one.
3:17:49So I heard you're focused on that.
3:17:49Oh, I think the China story for the version three days ago, probably not like that, but I would drag it through the days.
3:17:52No, I don't think so.
3:17:53The Canto, and then the Connecticut.
3:18:09Look, you've got the Walter Cronkites, and the Bernal Walters, and the John Chancellors, and all those captains over there who are obsessed with getting themselves on.
3:18:13They're going to build mysteries.
3:18:14John Cronkite attached AFL one-hour special every night.
3:18:15And it's going to get enormous attention every day you're there.
3:18:17Always.
3:18:17We haven't got anything to give.
3:18:18Doesn't matter.
3:18:18They'll get out and fire them.
3:18:29Well, sure.
3:18:29And they'll go through all kinds of stuff.
3:18:31You know, there'll be a big rumor.
3:18:38There'll be all kinds of stuff going on that they'll grumble about.
3:18:41We shouldn't give them anything because...
3:18:42Nothing.
3:18:42So I'm going to tell them Thursday on this.
3:18:43Well, not Thursday, but in Hawaii.
3:18:44Well, there's not going to be any background trouble here.
3:18:45We're not going to do anything.
3:18:46And because what is most important is the success of this trip.
3:18:47The success of this talk is
3:18:48the way the press is gonna realize once they're there, and the way we regret it, and the way that we cannot do this, and the way that we appreciate it, and we honor that, and the world might jeopardize us, but they, let them feel that they're working for America.
3:19:11I think they will, too.
3:19:14Let me tell you an interesting thing.
3:19:15When I went to Russia in 59,
3:19:17The Russians, you know, discussed the capitalization resolution in the past.
3:19:35It just happened, you know, in the past seven years.
3:19:39We did it deliberately.
3:19:41We didn't plan it for this time.
3:19:42And so every place we went, they had hecklers.
3:19:43We would come up and I was the second president.
3:19:45I'm just a woman.
3:20:00I'm a minor.
3:20:03I never forget because it's in the bottom of my goddamn mind.
3:20:04And it's almost delirious.
3:20:05I'm not looking around in my mind wearing my hair home and all the rest and so forth.
3:20:06Sure enough, that's part of it.
3:20:07What else do you want to hear?
3:20:08Mr. Vice President, I want to ask you about the Captain's Nation presentation.
3:20:10Well, anyway, the net result of it is that
3:20:12press, the American press, by the end of that trip, were on my side, our side, so to speak.
3:20:30And they tend to do that when you go abroad.
3:20:31Even though they know it may have, because you know what I mean.
3:20:34You've got to remember that deep down these people are basically, they're not anti-American.
3:20:38And they're going to get awful sick of communism when they see it.
3:20:39It's a miserable son of a bitch.
3:20:40That's the Chinese.
3:20:41That's the Chinese.
3:20:43The Chinese will handle themselves better, but what I meant is, I don't believe that you're going to find him taking a hand-pied Nixon.
3:21:03But that doesn't look as bad and as miserable as Russia does.
3:21:08Well, yeah, but not as much as in Russia.
3:21:09In Russia, it just acts all over you.
3:21:10Sure does.
3:21:10In the Chinese, it's not much more helpful, not much more vital to people.
3:21:14But I must say, I think that you're going to find the press wanting to be, some of them are, sorry to say.
3:21:30But the press, in any event, they're going to see all these things, and they're going to, and there's enough spectacle, I mean, after all, they have these meetings to report, and towards the end, they'll have to communicate, and there'll be a consensus, and that's fine.
3:21:39And people are fascinated by the kind of stuff that they do on the boat, where if there isn't anything happening there, if they're on for an hour, an hour, an hour, you'd see them on the little television things.
3:22:02I've heard it all.
3:22:02They just sit there.
3:22:03Of course, the boat much more.
3:22:04The boat, they have one little camera just sitting there for hours.
3:22:05They'll show people.
3:22:05They'll show people.
3:22:06They'll show the buildings and the things around the city.
3:22:07Get out into the countryside.
3:22:08You can go to the meeting and come back.
3:22:09I don't know if you have pictures of me or motion pictures.
3:22:32I'm sure there's one.
3:22:32Someone cranked up a little bit and she's been killed.
3:22:33She's been kidnapped.
3:22:34I'm a little upset about that.
3:22:34The locations have broken or something.
3:22:35But I've got a cold.
3:22:36You've got a cold.
3:22:36You've been poisoned.
3:22:36Bless her.
3:22:37Healthy stuff on there.
3:22:37There's also an interesting other one.
3:22:39part of it.
3:22:57I'm sure Henry Lefort had been escaped when he read this post.
3:22:58The Chinese, despite the fact that they had problems with families and the rest of the military, were very interested in preserving their religion as they got older.
3:23:11There is something, a Korean thing called .
3:23:22And that sells for two dollars and a half for .
3:23:40And it compels us about how it's supposed to be .
3:23:41And there must be something to it, because they've been using it that way for 2,000 years.
3:24:07So it makes it very psychological.
3:24:07I'm not interested.
3:24:08Oh, yeah.
3:24:08But it's fascinating.
3:24:08I don't think they have any stories.
3:24:09But they're doing what they want to do in each country, far and wide.
3:24:32It's like Russia, where they sell this and this.
3:24:33In Russia, you do have, I don't know, they don't have this in China.
3:24:34The Russian trip would be fascinating in another way, because while you do not have stores in Russia, you've got the big, long story that was called the Great Park story, where you could go in and buy a certain showroom.
3:24:41But you do have the big Russian markets, which were the farmers still coming into places.
3:25:04And it's fascinating to walk through those markets, you know, five or four years from there, and see the folks.
3:25:07It's a tough-a-do thing.
3:25:07Let's be sure that we don't get rid of it.
3:25:09I don't want coffee and agitators
3:25:10I haven't done anything.
3:25:31What I meant is, I mean, I would just reassure him on it, because, you know, I mean, we know what, I think Arthur Burns is very close to this idea that we'll go back and put it on, and he would remember the big argument about it.
3:25:37And we've got to agree to it.
3:25:37It's not about the children.
3:25:38That is the issue.
3:25:38What he has raised is related to it in a sense.
3:25:39That is, that we agree to maintain
3:25:40that with the dollar, without the dollar.
3:26:03But on the other hand, you might say that the original
3:26:10the president knows exactly what the problem is here, you know.
3:26:32You know, Eno's problem, and she would help us to grab him for a flight.
3:26:34You know, Conley, you know, they'd be pushing the Canadians really again, you know, to retreat and whatever.
3:26:36Everybody I know is just, you know, if he keeps going like this, you know, you're done.
3:26:38You go if that's what you want.
3:26:38But, uh, but
3:26:39Trudeau cannot politically do the things we ask of him.
3:27:04I stayed out of it, but it is building into a confrontation.
3:27:06Well, I get the flag everywhere.
3:27:06It's an election.
3:27:09and what we may be able to do is to get rid of those trees and try to have to be able to do it again.
3:27:34Well, we told the miners that we're going to have to put the trees in.
3:27:36We're going to have to put the trees in.
3:27:38They haven't given it their seat in Henry.
3:27:56They're staying out of the whole monetary thing.
3:27:57They're closing.
3:27:57They're not playing any second.
3:28:00I'm afraid they haven't won one inch on anything.
3:28:01In any event, Mr. President, I don't disagree with you.
3:28:02It sucks.
3:28:02But Connolly doesn't have the sensitivity for others.
3:28:18Yeah, as I say, tomorrow morning I'll continue to finish a few little things.
3:28:36What is the date today?
3:28:42The Monday Big Post has given you the only one that can be truly divisible in this.
3:28:47The memos that actually describe
3:28:48What's that?
3:28:50I know, I know.
3:28:54The memoranda that you prepared.
3:28:59I'll do it.
3:29:48In the current issue of Fortune, the story is told of three men on a desert island who spotted a tidal wave headed their way.
3:30:07The first man decided that he was the time remaining on wine, women, and song.
3:30:09The second man chose to get down on his knees and pray.
3:30:10And the third man, perhaps he was an emergent businessman, got busy trying to figure out how to breathe underwater.
3:30:14As we look ahead to the industrial world of the future in this White House conference,
3:30:17You'd well remember that there is something to be said for enjoying life, and the power of prayer is important.
3:30:32But as we face the future, we must also get ready to live in it.
3:30:36In the course of this conference, you will be exploring the exciting prospects that lie ahead for the working man and the businessman.
3:30:41You will be examining the new social responsibilities of business, the challenges of the new technologies so vital and better for the lives of our people and the future of our economy.
3:30:47a hard searching look ahead has been more essential.
3:31:00We cannot really plan for the adapter we're ahead without considering the total picture of the world of the future.
3:31:10We have to ask ourselves which way the world is headed.
3:31:11What we as a nation must do to influence the course of history toward more freedom and generational peace.
3:31:13What kind of people will we have?
3:31:14What kind of people?
3:31:14we will have to be to make a difference in our children's lives and the world of tomorrow.
3:31:34These are profound questions, and the kind that all too many people consider themselves too busy to deal with.
3:31:38But the American dream is too important to be left to the dreamers.
3:31:39Practical men have to examine their ideals and shape the future with their images and their hopes.
3:31:41The people of the United States of America make up 6% of the population of the world.
3:31:43What does that figure mean?
3:31:44First, it means that we have a great deal to be proud of.
3:31:57When six percent of the world produce one fifth of the world's steel, one third of its electric power, one third of its automobiles, then even our most severe critics will have to admit that the American economic system must be doing something right.
3:32:08The fact that we number only six out of every hundred people in the world means something else that must give us pause.
3:32:11It means that we, who believe in majority rule, are a minority group in the world.
3:32:14If we are to lead, we cannot lead by force of arms or weight of numbers.
3:32:26We can lead only by the force of our example and the quality of our mission.
3:32:30What is it that has brought this 6%, this minority of the world that calls itself America, the highest standard of living and the highest expression of human freedom?
3:32:34What is it that will propel this nation forward in the coming generation to lead mankind in its search for a better life and a world of peace?
3:32:40I am convinced that the answer lies in the real and tangible quality called the American spirit.
3:32:56In today's world, that spirit is being tested in America.
3:33:01We've got to learn once again to compete in the world.
3:33:02And the only way we can compete is on the basis of our own productivity.
3:33:03In the past, America has been able to pay the highest wages in the world, enjoy the highest standard of living in the world, and still compete in the world's markets because we have the best technology and the highest productivity.
3:33:10While other nations have been modernizing, while others have been spurting ahead of productivity, in America, we have let productivity slip.
3:33:26We have neglected capital investment.
3:33:27We have fallen behind other nations in the attention and support we give to applied science and to advancement in knowledge.
3:33:32We can be proud of our record of generosity and foresight in the years since World War II.
3:33:34With your help, old enemies as well as old friends have gotten back on their feet, and new nations have been started on the long road
3:33:39prosperity.
3:33:43This help has been good for other nations, good for the world, and in the long run, I believe it's good for America.
3:33:55We see that during the decade of the 60s, exports of American manufactured goods increased by 10%.
3:33:58But we see also that during the same decade, exports of German manufactured goods rose by 200%.
3:34:03Canada's increased by 285%.
3:34:04Japan's
3:34:05Now, the second largest producer in the non-communist world increased her exports of manufactured goods by 400%.
3:34:24This is one major reason why last year America suffered its first trade deficit since 1888.
3:34:29Nations never stand still.
3:34:30They go forward or they fall back.
3:34:31Other nations in the world, they are going forward, rapidly forward.
3:34:33And America has to exert herself the other best if we are to remain competitive in the world.
3:34:36In business and in life, there's a time when tough decisions have to be made.
3:34:48In the administration, we make some tough decisions in order to help get this economy back on its feet, on a stable basis, with full employment, moving forward in a sustainable way.
3:34:59The best economy for America is a free-mining economy.
3:35:02But faced with the choice of wage and price controls and continued inflation,
3:35:05I chose temporary controls to curb inflation.
3:35:15I believe in balanced budgets, but based on the choice between budget deficits and unemployment, I chose deficits to create more jobs.
3:35:22In the long run, our goal is to remove the controls and get rid of the deficits once we have brought about price stability in the whole market.
3:35:30In the short run, there's going to be a lot of inflation, and I'm prepared to take the heat because I know I put first things first.
3:35:34Full employment without inflation in a period of peace comes first for all Americans.
3:35:49Now you, the leaders of the American industry, are going to have to make some hard decisions.
3:35:52Are you going to crawl into a shell and demand protection from world competition?
3:35:54Or are you going to roll up your sleeves and increase productivity?
3:35:56Are you going to expand your industries with planning about control?
3:35:58Or are you going to adopt wage and price policies that will remove the pressure of inflation and the need for control?
3:36:02I am convinced I made the right decision.
3:36:18I am convinced you will make the right decision as well.
3:36:21Fight for yourself and fight for your country.
3:36:23There are still some people around who are uncertain about whether we will cut the rate of inflation.
3:36:25There are two answers to these doubts.
3:36:27First, there is a record of what has been done so far.
3:36:28Consumer prices rose 3.4% in 1971 compared to 5.5% the year before.
3:36:30That's the right direction for inflation, down.
3:36:30That shows that it can be done.
3:36:31Second, this administration is determined to keep pushing down the wage inflation.
3:36:45We have made a commitment.
3:36:46We have proved the legs we prepared to go to keep our commitment.
3:36:47And we will see that this fight against rising prices through is still on.
3:36:52Justice controls are going to work this inflation.
3:36:53Our policies decree our jobs.
3:36:54You all know that in the past six months, the wage unemployment has increased by over a million jobs.
3:36:58Yet that surge is not made nearly enough with debt and the unacquired wages.
3:37:01In the most recent quarter, real output rose at a rate double that of the preceding two quarters.
3:37:16That's the basis for real confidence, the confidence that should generate further expansion and more jobs.
3:37:20Nobody says the road to full employment is quick and easy, but we are on the road.
3:37:24If we ask what it is that enables each worker to get more out of his work, each investor to get more out of his investment, and the nation to get more out of its economy, the answer is productivity.
3:37:28For a long time,
3:37:29we took productivity increases for granted.
3:37:41We imagined a sort of technological carnival that promised increasing abundance every year without any real effort on our part, and this made us complain.
3:37:47We tended to imagine that more was our duty, whether we did anything for it or not.
3:37:50But now the new situation of the world has changed all that.
3:37:52Even if we were content just to fight with one another for a bigger slice of the same old pie, instead of making the pie bigger, this would no longer be enough.
3:38:07Our markets would disappear, and not only would we no longer sell abroad, but we could no longer afford to buy from abroad in America or Spain.
3:38:12We are not going to Spain.
3:38:13We still have the American spirit.
3:38:15Having the spirit is not enough.
3:38:17We have to reach it.
3:38:17We are to maintain our leadership in the world of the future.
3:38:28It will not be by force of arms.
3:38:30It will be by the strength of our spirit, backed by the vigor of our economy.
3:38:34And if we slip as an economic power, then we will slip also as a moral force in the world.
3:38:37For it will have been because we ceased to try, because we ceased to compete, because we gave up on ourselves and the world.
3:38:42I do not believe America will come.
3:38:43Nor do I believe we will try to build a wall
3:38:45If we were ever to permit this nation to turn isolationist in foreign policy, we would be inviting another war.
3:39:01If we were to let this nation turn protectionist in its economic policy, we would be inviting a trade war.
3:39:03And like the other kind of war, every nation is a plant in the roots.
3:39:05We're not going to let either of these things happen.
3:39:07We're not about to forget the secret of the world's highest standard of living, a competitive spirit that results in rising productivity.
3:39:10After years of lagging productivity, we made a comeback last year, back to a 3.6% rise.
3:39:27Now we have a limit, and we must never again forget the secret of American success.
3:39:29For too long, too many businessmen and working men thought of the American economy as a kind of a giant turtle, fat and lazy with a protective shell that seemed impregnable.
3:39:35Let me point out to you,
3:39:36The only way he can move forward is to stick his neck out.
3:39:44The time has come for that turtle to stick its neck out and get moving.
3:39:49As it does, it will show that America's competitive spirit is alive and healthy, ready to lead the world into the new prosperity.

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