On February 7, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Rose Mary Woods, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Raymond K. Price, Jr., unknown person(s), White House operator, Ronald L. Ziegler, Manolo Sanchez, Henry A. Kissinger, and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:55 pm to 7:15 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 319-019 of the White House Tapes.
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I'm waiting for a document, and I'd like for it.
I'd like to be the type of thing he did to say that he wanted that kind rather than too far apart.
Yeah, well, the one-state engine was your usual one.
We'll do it that way.
But not the three, not the three spaces, but the other engines.
No, I don't know.
In fact, that might make it easier.
I don't know what, I know what, just, you know, I just do it.
Sometimes it might, you might get to it, you need to, but we did that one because we knew it was a final business of practice.
But did Ray tell you when he thought he'd be ready?
No, he said he was putting together two...
It's a draft.
It's a draft or something, and we'll have something at the lot.
I don't think he said any time.
I've got to make them do the work for me.
I wish you could send one over to me one day.
They were kind.
They're all working now.
They're all doing their good part.
Well, you know, in that period, they've done 500 things.
We found today, in the security, that that's her.
Should I see that?
No.
It seems that, and this is completely explosive, the idea that they got this from the Democrats and all that, correct?
But the adjuncts in the area, what happened was that, a month or so ago,
Donnie.
They met at this hall on Wednesday at dawn.
They went out for lunch.
Don said he already ate.
He looked terrible.
Well, I've already asked John to go with him.
And John got on the line and said he was going to have a very long, great ride.
And he talked about it on Sunday and everything.
You know, it made him appear like what he is.
But he can't help it.
That's another thing.
But any of it.
Any of it.
He even told us that, yes, John would have affairs.
Oh, yes.
Oh, my.
Running around with him and all of that and so forth.
Well, he didn't know who he was.
So...
They'll marry him cold-heartedly and let him come home with a dog.
And also, they'll say something about his truism.
So in any event, I just told John, I said, look, you've got all these problems.
I told him, I told him, I told him, I told him, I told him, I told him, I told him, I told him,
And then you rose all of a sudden to join in talking about the so-called, how do we handle Don and Eddie and me together?
And the idea being that I don't think it's well for either of you or all of us to be involved.
No, it's something that is that.
Well, these things that are terribly embarrassing and so forth, but...
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I just don't, I think people at that point said they can't control it.
That's right.
Well, I, Ray, that's what they did.
I have to be there right now.
No, I gave it to them at 3.30, 3.30.
Ray is such an air perfectionist.
I should have done it better.
I should have done it myself.
I've been reading some of it in the background.
I've got to take time to do that.
I just decided, Bob, that I'm just reading some of it.
I think that's great.
Others thought it would be better to do it the other way in charge.
I'm sorry.
We're supposed to have two hours as well.
I don't expect it to be better.
These guys had no idea how much effort it takes to prepare something.
They would have to speak 15 minutes and be well organized and say something.
God damn it, I don't do it that way.
But anyway, I mean, you can't.
That's why I just don't talk about these things.
Oh, incidentally, one other thing I just want to tell you.
I just talked to Pat Corder.
I was not able to do that.
I'm going to wait for this draft.
But she told me that Jack Brown was going to be in that meeting tonight.
And she and Jack Corder and all the others too.
But if Jack shows, this is probably the world tomorrow.
Don't let him in.
Don't let him in.
Don't let him in.
Don't let him in.
Well, as he says, there are an awful lot more important people coming to that meeting this afternoon.
That I will not be able to see.
Dan Ganey, Bill Ladson, people who have given one heck of a lot of money.
They're not asking for money.
That's why you're going tonight.
They're old friends.
Well, Dan Ganey's pretty old friends.
Oh, I know, I know, I'm sure.
I'm not just kidding, the argument is true.
But you don't think he won't get through a meeting?
Huh?
I don't think he's over here at work, but he won't get through a meeting.
The argument is true.
But he may not even try.
He may not even try.
He may not.
Yes, he does.
He does.
I just wanted you to know, under no circumstances, don't bring him in for a meeting.
He should not for five minutes, not for any additional job.
God's friend, I'll test the drink out of him.
The difficulty is that it never gets into office this far.
So if I could, could I take 15 minutes to discuss the campaign?
Oh, let's see if I can't do that.
There's so much you've got to worry about.
Yeah.
You've got the time to do it.
Oh, good.
Very well, we'll get out of here.
Just wait a second.
We'll wait for Rose to stay here.
Thank you.
Alright, I think you can get something.
I chose temporary controls to encourage inflation.
I realized it was cute.
I don't want to have to hang out there.
I chose.
to create jobs, to create jobs, to create more jobs.
Our goal, our goal is to remove the controls
to get rid of the nexus.
The business leaders of America, they move to industrial leaders, industrial leaders.
It really is an American industry.
It can be done.
We're going to work to stop inflation.
Our job is to run the work.
That's fine.
Better run.
Okay, thank you.
Also, I think, too, we have to realize that I kind of hate to go to the goth band.
They are important people.
They are our friends.
I'm probably one of these.
I've done it 50 times.
No, this isn't much of a speech.
Well, but the fact that you're being there, the fact that they're being on this big conference, no matter what you say, there's just the fact that
Sure.
What if you got them all ready to die for Richard Nixon?
What are they going to do about it?
They'll probably freeze them.
So, what do you say?
Sure, if you wait, if you spend a week and work that way.
I don't know, I'll go and address.
I don't know if you know, I'll go and address.
I don't know.
It's getting almost ridiculous.
I told all of them.
I said, now, look, go over there.
Come on, catch him.
I said, no.
I said, what's this plan?
I said, brother, go shoot him.
We can all divert about too much of our energy to all of it and tie it up into something that is just an insoluble problem.
And I think that one of the key pros is that he's going to have to be a natural reminder that we've all become a god.
That's the problem.
There's a god in all of us.
don't we agree you should not be in the meeting when you talk to them about this
that, and all of it, and in relation to this and all the rest, but when he has his program, okay, for now how do we market his marketing program and so forth and so on, then I really think that Don, this guy with the cold turkey treatment, you know, that he was there to stay the hell away from here, right?
That's the point.
I'm not sure that's probably useful, but...
It shows you how this stuff can get screwed up.
What they did, the globe is totally irresponsible frame.
The vector is totally irresponsible frame.
What he did is he pulled those who say they intend to vote in the Democratic primary.
He pulled 1,000 people, a sample of 1,000 people who say they're going to vote in the Democratic primary and asked who they were going to vote for in the Democratic primary and put that out.
Then he pulled 1,000 people who say they're going to vote in the Republican primary.
And he got that sample and he put that out.
Then he took those 2,000 people and he shuffled the cards together.
He asked all of them.
The traveling question, he shuffled them all together and put out the traveling question.
He leaves out all the independents who don't intend to vote in any primary.
And he gives the Democrats an equal weighting with the Republicans.
Now, there are more Republicans than Democrats.
There are more Republicans, but there are more independents than Democrats.
Are Democrats third?
Yeah.
And so he's given the Democrats equal weighting with the Republicans, leaving out the independents except those who say they will vote in one or the other.
I agree with that.
It was totally distorted.
Sample which Becker said as Becker told Teeter.
Teeter talked to Becker himself about that.
He said, I can't understand how you could have come up with this because Teeter had a different figure.
Well, Becker called Teeter.
He said, I'm going to release these figures, but I'd like to know, I'll tell you what they are, and you'll tell me whether they're in the ballpark with your pulpit or not.
I don't want to know what your figure is.
Just tell me if I'm in the ballpark.
On the proposal primary, Teeter said, yeah, that's not exactly the same toy, but it's not.
Then he gave him this stuff, and Peter said, you're just, you know.
Peter had a boat with him.
Yeah, he's done a, we don't have it, but he's done a follow-up.
What was this, this last few days?
He does a, after the baseball, then he does some primary states, does his telephone, follow-up waves to see what it is in the ship.
And he's got that, we'll get him that thing tomorrow or the next day.
but he says it can't change very much.
And that, there's no question, the same rule is not essential to the New Hampshire voters.
It's a combined sample of the Republican primary voters giving equal weight to the Democrat primary voters.
In the first place, there are more Republicans, so this Republican should be weighted heavier.
Secondly, less Republicans are going to vote in the press.
There's less interest in the Republican primary than the Democrat primary.
So he has less, so he has, he actually, he still waits on his hand, but it, you don't have the totally loyal Nixon people, other ones who aren't going to, are less inclined to vote.
The anti-Nixon Republican is going to vote in the primary.
The totally pro-Nixon Republican, some of them may not.
The guy that's against you is going to get out and register his vote against you.
It's Peter's analysis.
Therefore, you've got to work with him.
The distortion within the Republican, secondly, and then you're not weighing it right.
Secondly, and thirdly, you're leaving out all the independents.
So many independents.
Well, they might break a little more for us.
Our poll is a valid sample of state one, not of either primary, but of both.
On the basis of our sample, we come out the other way.
We come out 51-44.
I was in the back there.
That was in December.
It started in late December.
And we'll know for sure in the next couple of days based on our follow-up.
They all played in December.
We're better now.
Not at the Becker time, because Becker pulled before the announcement.
But as of our follow-up, we've got it.
We've got his rundown now, and all of his statements were done by state, and also that over all of the U.S., we've had breakdowns on him, and other people's on the trial.
These were, most of them were taken in the period of January, about January 3rd or 4th to January 18th.
Before the State of the Union, before the other thing, and right after the Vietnam bombing at Burj Khalifa.
On our other polls showed us that pretty much all of our other polls.
Yeah.
You know, the Harris polls.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Harris, Gallup, Church, stuff like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
On approval, on approval and all that.
So we come out on a national basis, 52, 42, and I do what it is.
It is what it is.
And 46, 37, 11.
And then three-way race.
You lead by 10 or 11 points.
National.
Now you look at these states.
California is behind by 42, 47.
That's good.
Two-way race and three-way race.
You can pair that though with that fellow, Garmin's poster.
Remember?
Lesson.
Lesson.
It's interesting.
You lead by 47, 42.
And you trail Kennedy 43, 48.
Kennedy doesn't do any better than that.
This is a two-way race.
Two-way race.
And a three-way race is virtually the same.
39, 45.
We're behind six points.
We've got all 32 of them right now.
That doesn't, in California, that doesn't surprise me.
I don't think it's too bad.
I don't think it's too bad.
It shows exactly what we need.
We've got a problem with California.
We're going to have to work to carry it.
We've got a problem with California.
Those are turning.
And those are turning.
In California.
Florida is 55-34.
We're ahead by 21 points.
We're hungry by 22 points.
Kennedy by 15 points.
The Kennedys are strongest in Florida?
Yep.
In a two-way race, it's 51-36.
What does that do with Wallace?
With Wallace in, he must be by 17 points, 44-27.
Wallace gets one third, and by the equal, 14 points.
Wallace gets four points worse.
He loses 11 points, and must be losing seven.
All right.
In Illinois, we don't have the two-way race.
And the three-way was undertaken earlier, a couple of weeks earlier.
And the three-way must meet by 7-1-46-37.
It's the same as the country.
No, not quite as good.
The country and the three-way ratio meet by 11-1-46-37.
You have to catch this.
Yeah.
Texas, you're behind two points, 44-46 in a two-way race against Muskie.
Against Humphrey, you lead by nine.
Kennedy, you lead by one, 45-44.
The Wallace Inn is shorter behind, too, against Muskie, 40-42.
Against Guadal, against Humphrey, you lead 42-36.
Kennedy is even, 39-39.
How do you figure Texas is going to win this game?
You do a lot of work there, huh?
Yeah.
It sure shows this year.
You got a good chance in Texas.
Oh, Texas, sure.
That close.
Indiana, you leave by 4, 47, 43.
Humphrey by 15.
Kennedy by 8.
With Wallace in Indiana, your lead grows to 8.4.
8 lead by 8, 51.43.
With Wallace in, you lead 48.3.
Looks like we need Wallace in the goddamn building.
He helps in those states a little, but not enough here.
And you lead hungry by 18 in Iowa.
Kennedy by 8.
Kentucky.
What's Iowa again?
51-43-8 against Muskie.
Against Muskie, 51-43-2-8.
Number 40, you're very good.
Kentucky, you lead by 15 points, 50-35.
You're down 3 by 16, you beat Kennedy by 9.
Kennedy's the strongest in all of this game.
Silly race.
Kentucky, you lead by 16.
to get some little points.
Go North Carolina.
North Carolina here ahead by 19, 53, 34.
How about Virginia?
Can we upgrade North Carolina by 25?
Kennedy by 14.
That's better than North Carolina.
How about Virginia?
Virginia here ahead by 15, 53, 38.
23 ahead of Humphrey, 25 ahead of Kennedy.
That's the one place where he does cooler.
I think it's better if he stays out.
Yeah, I agree.
But the Texas thing.
Well, no, the Texas thing, that bears out.
But what I meant is the Texas, the closeness of the Texas race bears out with something.
Well, I think we've got to figure it out.
Maryland, you're behind 1.4748.
You'd be conquered by Ford, you're behind 100.
And with Wallace, there's no difference.
Missouri, you're probably behind 14.3751.
If that's a valid shot, it would look like Missouri's maybe not even going to work.
And maybe the governor there is too strong for it.
North Carolina gave New Jersey 49-41, led by 8 points.
We're ahead of New Jersey, so we're out here.
So against Humphrey, you're ahead by 18, 54-36.
Against Kennedy, by 80%, this country.
With Wallace in, your lead goes up to 11 points.
Wallace helps you in this period.
You're ahead by 1, 46-45.
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But Wallace in, we lead by 9.
So Wallace helps you in Ohio.
Helps in all those areas.
Oregon, you're ahead by 1, 45, 44.
That's the West.
Against Humphrey, you're ahead by 10.
Against Kennedy, you're ahead by 4.
Tennessee, you're ahead by 14, 52, and 38.
Humphrey by 17, and Kennedy by 14.
Texas, you're ahead by 8.
Virginia, you're ahead by 8.
That's interesting.
It shows New York as a possibility.
It shows Pennsylvania as a possibility.
It shows New Jersey as a possibility.
That's interesting.
But you have a Connecticut poll, and we haven't gotten the data on that, but they tell us about it.
It says that a year ahead, by so far, that there's no great funding plan.
What about Michigan?
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
If all everything else falls in line, Michigan makes the same, too, but such as what Massachusetts is impossible.
That's right.
But it is in the battlefield.
The battlefield is where this wants to be covered.
And out of those, what it tells us is that we've got a fucking damn real problem in California, and we've got a fight in Texas and Pennsylvania.
Right.
We've got to be able to also judge the mouth.
We've got to fight.
I shouldn't say we've got a real problem.
We've got to fight in California, Texas, and Pennsylvania.
We're a little behind, but not out of range.
Missouri, we may be out of range.
Wisconsin, we may be out of range.
Wisconsin, yeah, right.
But the important thing is that you can win Illinois.
You can win Ohio.
You can win Indiana.
Right?
And New Jersey.
New Jersey, New Jersey, New Jersey, but we also, we have to then pick up Texas.
I'm sure they can win New York.
I think that's the biggest reason.
I'm sure they can go to New York.
You can trade New York for Gallaudet.
That's right.
You can trade them for the Rockmoors.
So it shows the enormous importance, all the way through here, of getting McCarthy in.
I'm just talking to Rita Hauser, her husband, with McCarthy and Scott.
And McCarthy has filed in Illinois.
He's the only one of them that must have been filed in Illinois.
He tends to go in in Illinois.
He tends to go in and follow that by going in a couple others, including Oregon and California.
and he intends to cut muskie to ribs.
He's going to go on a very tough campaign, an anti-muskie campaign.
And his intention is to go to the convention with anything he's got.
If he's got anything, then he'll walk out and go to the fourth party.
That's the line.
Their pitch to us is 100,000 bucks for
I told him, I'm sure if you are aware of this attempt to rob him, you clearly give a true reason to work it out.
True sign.
About 30 pounds.
That's about 250 pounds.
I said, thank you, this is the only one I can see.
He was getting caught.
That's it, no problem.
He was getting caught.
I don't know.
He didn't want to create a problem.
So I passed.
Oh, 44, 46.
It's close, close, close, but that's like it was before.
It just, you know, there's a lot of Democrats in Texas.
The Texas economy is good.
You've got Conley here.
Yeah, but you've got these economy stories of the Texas Democrats.
You know, will he stay?
You know, all that stuff.
Conley,
You know, in a way, this is a place where we can have a place where we want to be, where we want to be, where we want to be, where we want to be, where we want to be.
One of the stories that's out, and I don't know how inspired or vibed or inspired you guys are, is this line that when this disenchantment came about, it was the day you put a new on the ticket.
And that's what it's concerned with.
And that's been in several different columns that have played out.
I think they've made that up.
And now that's backed off.
The point is that you didn't really put anything on.
And as long as he thinks he's got a chance at the vice president, he will stay here.
He knows about us.
We know that that's important because we talk in common.
And he urged that we pick that line.
You don't agree.
And he did.
He said that was the line to take.
He said we've got to do it publicly.
I'm not so sure of it.
I said, yeah, I've got a key bar.
I'll have a good chance to talk with you down here.
And I said, yeah, just let me keep our options open.
But the thing I want to do is keep our options open and know the direction.
He just may be the only fellow that's got the balls.
He couldn't have done that.
And I think he might be willing to do it.
He's mad about it.
Henry would quit.
That's fine.
I mean, he should.
You know, the first four years.
Let's see if he's going to go on.
I don't think he would take any more than a year.
I don't think he would take any more than a year.
I just don't think...
I think...
It's not likely that Henry's going to be able to stay in the pool.
No.
But the big play is going to be in May.
And Henry is...
I don't know.
The pressure is off and all that.
I don't know if the pressure is off.
I think I would subscribe to Aves.
Henry is a...
He's a built-in villain.
He can't stay with anything until he's ready.
Could be.
We didn't really get into analysis, we just got the figures.
Because I guess about Texas, you know, I have done nothing in the way of campaigning in Texas.
Do you realize that?
We had practiced it and didn't reach it.
What we did first, we did it first.
But I mean, that was not helpful.
It didn't help either.
And they were trying to search where I was going to be.
Going to be down there.
Instead of coming to the court, we had to be.
both Connelly and Schultz feel that there is no necessity for the quality of land.
Both of them feel that if you want one for cosmetic purposes, there's no harm in having one.
I don't want one for cosmetic purposes.
And if you had one, Connelly says it's a very good match with Rumsfeld doing the economic stabilization.
How about having Rumsfeld doing the economic stabilization?
I don't want to do it with Rumsfeld alone.
But if Rumsfeld can go ahead and do it with Connelly and Schultz beside me, I'll argue that maybe that's what we should do.
or they don't feel that's necessary.
Let me ask Conley knows how busy I am and everything.
Won't you say no, John?
Or I'm still asking this.
Should we do it before he goes to China or not?
And that I think maybe this would be my breath, but you'll say no.
I can tell you that.
He's all set for the weekend now, isn't he?
Well...
I didn't call him in Texas to make him want to bother me.
I talked to his office just to make sure he was, and she said yes, that he was going to, that he was going to go.
I said, well, please confirm to him that the president is in Texas.
I just wanted to make sure he was, and I didn't think he was going to be on the end of the year.
We don't know, but I should make the comment of something perhaps quite different.
I think what we ought to do, I don't think the Vice President, I think probably would work with the President of the United States.
I'm not sure it's the best way, but I think the best way for John Conlon is to go where he ought to be as President, as Secretary of State.
He would be a bigger man in a state than he would be as Vice President of the United States.
He'd be Secretary of State, and he'd be far around, and he'd be run by Henry.
Obviously, he needs Warburg.
He says so, but so does he does.
He does, and I don't think this is bad at all.
Of course, Rockefeller wants it, too.
The other possibility, of course, in my opinion, is that Rockefeller
Rockefeller pulled New York, Rockefeller.
I'd like to have Nixon, Rockefeller, Nixon, Agnew, can we do that?
Pulled New York, that's the rain.
And California.
She pulled Mason County also, don't you know it?
Through the tree.
And then pulled them on the other side, I didn't put anybody with them.
In New York,
And we are Pennsylvania, and California, and Texas, Texas, but it all means Texas.
The figures that's down here are quite interesting, and it shows you, as far as our national figures are concerned, the reason that Alaska and our ship were used there, too, is the reason we have a hell of a lead is because of the tremendous boating in the south, and holding our own in the midwest.
And frankly, we're in our own knees pretty long.
Huh?
Yeah.
Part of this is the... Part of this is the north, central, west, to Wisconsin, Missouri, which is sort of a little different from Minnesota.
They went on a mission.
Minnesota, Michigan, Missouri.
And also, but on the other hand, Missouri is a bubble state.
We pulled it, like the other time, we weren't winning.
Tennessee.
Florida.
Tennessee.
North Carolina.
North Carolina.
I'm sure she would probably be joining, too.
I don't think there's any question we can sweep this out unless we're listening.
That Pennsylvania figure, to me, is extremely encouraging, isn't it to you?
Because that's before the Rizzles and where you set them.
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You know, three by nine points.
You know, five to four is very, very heavy.
You know, that's good.
You know, that's good.
You know, that's good.
You know, that's good.
You know, that's good.
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I feel sorry for him, for the poor bastard.
I'm worried about him, about the power.
We were afraid of falling on him.
We're level with him, so we can help him.
You know, if we know what the problem is, we can call this Anderson business.
Now, what do you mean we already talked with him?
Well, you didn't talk with him.
You didn't talk with him.
He hasn't known the reason.
He didn't carry his phone with him.
What Anderson has to do with it.
I think that's what he just simply said.
And so this guy's
That will be very, very clear once David has time.
There's no government.
Don's failed.
Except that he's running around with airline tickets.
He's married.
My son, he's got all his cell numbers written on top.
Except for a map, it's really not like that.
There's more.
It's actually from a guy.
I simply cannot have his...
That I've got to get away from.
That's a tough damn thing.
I can't be told about his cause.
That's the only way you can get away from it.
There's nothing to be told.
He's got to understand it.
That's the way it's going to be.
Certainly got a campaign in the government.
We've got a campaign against the government.
We've got a campaign against the government.
and Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, those these target states, and Texas.
I mean that California is impossible because California has a lot of, a normal voting pattern, and also California has a, there is a tendency for the Republicans to do somewhat better than, you know, maybe get down to the wire.
Well, so they tell him why there's McCarty's in there.
He gets 11 points, and he beat Muskie by two.
That was tough.
Here, 12 points behind Muskie, and a two-way race.
If you go into the overall, and all of them, well, that's all good.
He beat McCarty, I'm all for it.
I'll tell you, I...
I did these...
There again, but it doesn't make that much difference on any of those.
Absolutely not.
Those you should always .
Because they, for that kind of purpose,
And if it's short, I'd see where I disagree with Graham.
He wants you to do a teleprompter for a speech.
Because if that was an eagle finder that's on a teleprompter, you could be here on Vesper on his bike.
Just like, yeah, and everybody does.
Yeah, maybe Graham, that's great.
I mean, I'm not so sure even with him.
I think even he may accept what he's saying.
You know what I mean?
You're just looking right at him.
There, that's it.
After that, what do you tell him?
It's a different kind of feeling.
But for a brief one-minute clip, a little book like that, I don't think people are going to realize it.
By the time that starts going on, you're off.
You're off.
I'm not going to go through a full list of things.
I know a lot of people think I should, but I'm just not going to do it.
Because let's face it, Robert, I'm going to do a whole lot of speeches and then cut it by cold.
But, uh, possibly it'll be in the Americans.
And he said after Kennedy, it would be a very good idea to fight him out.
It would have been desirable to do it in a way before Kennedy would be in front of Florida, but they were exactly in front of me.
And it would be wrong to let him do it.
I'm going to show him how to fight him out.
Uh, I'll wait.
Why not?
I'll, I'll wait for him.
I told, I've got to talk to her a little bit more about bussing.
So I suggested he go down on the plank and stay in the floor.
And as I said earlier, you said Schultz and you're talking about going to do the same thing.
Well, let's try to get him down.
Oh, that's right, yeah.
I remember the problem.
I want to try to call the company of the house, not my big house, but my house.
All right, a little more coffee.
I'm not going to...
I was talking to Ron.
I'm not going to...
I'm not going to...
I'm not going to bother you.
I'm not going to bother you.
What I raised with him is to be sure we got it straight and close to him.
At this point, it's better to repudiate it.
Go ahead and repudiate it.
I don't think there's any problem with doing that.
I think it is for the spokesman.
If you've got a problem with somebody like Henry or Ron,
where you can't back off of what they say.
I mean, they can very easily back off of what I say if they want to.
Well, my question is for Ron.
What you did then in Yonder, because Paul, the other guy, Scott, for instance, stepped strongly up on my defense today.
Yeah.
Mansfield kicked me for saying I was abridging Senator Drexler's speech.
And Scott said there's been a lot of strong language used in attacking the president, so those people have got a special strong language used in the other Senate.
And some of the CR people that are fighting the mic, I think it's a mistake to undercut them.
I agree that that may be, and Ron Wofford, which I think is the right one to do it.
Well, he said after all, we're not trying to control free speech, and then actually, you're out of the bar here.
Your position is basically not controlled and honest and all that sort of thing.
We're saying we're in person.
With knowledge of the president, nobody's offering something.
I think that was the point.
I think that was the background.
That very clearly made the difference.
And it's clear in the actual plan.
It was doing it after the president's plan was laid out.
With knowledge of the president.
And, of course, they tried to tie it in, and Muskie wouldn't do the tying at all.
As was stated on the interview, my interview was taped before Muskie's piece of land was performed.
When I said that, Muskie was on our side.
Muskie had said, in fact, maybe it wasn't his piece of land.
Is that clear?
Well, it may have not been.
It's just that, of course,
Hello?
Oh, hi.
Well, it's all right.
I'm very happy to have that back.
The people that saw the show, you know, they've done an awfully good thing, you know, picking up from your challenges on the point that, you know, as we face this whole idealistic and accomplishing thing, that we may be great,
We're just trying to get it done.
But we are people, you said to us, people who believe very deeply, that they believe in the, not in the talk of idealism, but in the action.
I'm sure it's out there.
Oh, I got a good pitch in on that, which people who saw the man on TV will think it's overshadowed by the other.
I don't know.
The day I did the interview was the day that he was pushing.
He was going on the attack.
He was going to the border, going to the state, and had to be put on.
Not today.
Oh, I know.
He was going on the attack.
I'll tell you what he did.
He was going to the school.
He was going to the church.
Which, of course, is not going to be a funny thing.
It'll be something.
I know this is gonna be a, this is a one-shot story.
It's dead fun.
It's worth a perspective.
Or they may.
Or they may.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Although, I must say, he's, since we were using the auditorium for a briefing, and it was not a big firm briefing, and I said to him, Henry, I wish we had another auditorium.
I mean, he was having issues in the second part of his life.
Though that Bob Henry is, we've got to remember,
The other thing was, well, I'm going to practice with him tomorrow.
That's fine.
Henry will not be there.
But I was about to say that Henry was much, much too quick to see
I think the perfectionism that he does, and to pick up the slightest, you know, deviations in everything.
He didn't, I must say, he's, I don't think he's very good at putting things together.
Or is he?
Well, he's been... Why, he doesn't control himself.
He's all right.
But what I did is, it's not a very good thing to do.
But a thing like this, God damn it.
And he was...
He was a rally rock.
God damn it, that's what I did.
I don't believe in this God damn goodness of... Scott was being...
come out there consciously
That basically went the way I wanted it to.
Actually, I picked it up almost verbatim.
And I didn't.
I didn't specify a sentence.
And I didn't say anything.
And I said, pretty much, I'll just give you a zero there.
That's been part of it.
Part of it.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
You'll get to play in the lights and the pines and the coast and that sort of thing.
You've got to figure that and go where you want to go.
The point is that you go for the end of the week, whether you have to override it or not.
It's not so hard to play.
It's not so hard to play.
You're very ready when you get set up just to get out of the way before you get on it and begin to think one way or the other.
That's very strong, yes.
I think that was good.
I think that was the muskie of any piece.
I think that was the muskie of weakness.
And the editorial, I don't have all of my pieces.
I just want to open the old muskie up.
You just can't let a guy have a free ride of being constantly pumped.
That's right.
And if you couldn't have let this piece go and make it a free ride,
Maybe not, maybe it was not too hard.
Well, it's not always a question.
Judges call too.
Sure.
And so we made a play that was just right.
You know, you don't know what's going to bounce or what isn't going to bounce.
Ron moved out on it that first day and didn't really get anything.
No, he didn't get on it at all.
Although he did it pretty hard.
The rocker's thing is quite hyper.
The rocker type of spirit.
A lot of interest in it.
It's interesting, this, our polls continue.
We've still got a long lot of analysis work to do.
We've got a patent in three or five weeks.
It says, absolutely clear in every state poll, all the stuff they've got, that Vietnam is a positive issue for the person.
There's just no question about that.
And, as you say, yeah, even positive issues.
No, no, very definitely positive.
And it says that you're not in that.
In fact, the only way the whole thing blows up in your back is if you drown in water or something, and it's not positive anymore.
But in fact, where you are now, the direction you're going is positive.
You have brought it.
But it'd be more positive to get a hold of it, I'm sure.
I'm sure.
Well, the idea that, well, we don't want the issues to come up and so on and so on, I still say it's a whole lot better to have people think about the President's foreign policy leadership for a favor in either way than it is to have them think about what about the size of the budget that's
You know, the only domestic issue I think is working down is part of the busting.
I'm sure we're going to get hired again.
There's drugs.
We're laboring.
He preaches that, except he says he makes them on the busting.
Very interesting.
If you ask people, if you raise the issue, people are very heavily against busting.
But if you, no matter how you go out and try to throw what people are concerned about, busing is not something that people are concerned about, except in those areas where they're busing, where there's a stir up, which is basically pretty good.
And as we know in our vote, where there is busing, and it is an issue, and people are mad about it, they're mad at the courts and the local government.
They're not mad at the right courts, Congress, and what they do.
That's why I'm coming out.
The president is the least blink of any of the backers.
He jumped all over the place.
He's kind of so ravaged that he
He argues you shouldn't do anything about it to any great degree, but he says play it right and you've got at least a reasonable plus on the environmental issue in that if all you're doing is something constructive, it's going to appeal to the digital chunk of people in the 20s and in the suburbs, and that is a big thing on a symbolic kind of basis.
The dope thing, roads,
I think the arrest of pushers, that's what I think.
The Jaffee office is fine, but that's compassion.
That's a pair of eggs.
What the people really want, they want to hang them.
That's what they want.
It's kind of interesting, you know, that this movie, that's just one of the big movies of the year, The French Connection, is about, you know, a load of heroin, and a cop who tracks it all down, and then can't get the rap on it.
That was because of a bunch of laws.
and it gets people very upset about the loss.
And then there's the other big group now is Dirty Harry, which is also about a very tough combination with us.
He's very strong.
Is he for us?
He's for other people, yes.
He's very big on getting in.
I love him.
He's a big story.
Are you sure he is?
That's what I'm told.
It's not hard.
God damn, he's getting in sometimes.
He plays this role very airy.
It's a movie you ought to see.
It's pretty good.
It's got a lot of rough lines.
But it's a good movie because it's about a tough cop who, in this case, is a sniper in San Francisco who goes up on rooftops and kills people with a gun.
And then extorting the city, demanding $200,000 from the mayor to stop killing these people.
All this cop goes out and finally tracks the guy.
It's a very difficult case to find the guy.
Finally catches the guy.
And then the DA calls the copy and just raises hell with him and says, you shouldn't have trapped that guy.
You went into his, you busted open his apartment.
So I'm without a search warrant.
Well, the audience all goes, boo.
In other words, it's inciting people on exactly the other side.
And then the DA says, I can't take the case.
There's nothing we can do.
Haven't you ever heard of Escobedo?
Haven't you ever heard of Browns?
I don't know.
Two cases.
And, uh,
He goes through that whole thing.
And the audience just is very emotionally stirred up.
They all, they're very upset.
So then the cop gets pissed off when he goes out and tracks the guy down first when he kills him.
And then takes his police badge off and throws it in the river.
But at least he saved the city from the river.
The people cheered.
It's like an old melodrama.
I've got to see it.
I think you should.
You'll be able to see it.
David, of course, will see it.
Well, frankly, you know, the time I get through
I'm one hell of a time in all of us.
Of course, I'm doing other things, which are important, too.
I'm reading.
I'm reading free books.
I don't go in there with it.
over-insensitivity to Chinese history and all the rest of it.
I don't mean the history of China, but the economy of China.
So give it a name.
If you've got a problem with that one, start putting that book in.
Well, then I'll find one of them that's the economy.
Most of them are.
So why don't you read that book?
I said it.
I read them all through the books, too.
I said, you can come up with additional questions that you want to state about the NSC.
That's right.
Excellent.
I hope you do something on those guys.
I want all of them to make special agreements on Russia.
Because he has an internal problem.
But we talked to him.
The papers, Cole's papers are totally satisfied with Wilson's bail.
But his employer takes it.
First of all, because he's had a long time running for bail.
Well, what the hell?
Didn't the Colts paper select him?
No.
You can't find one more spot for Clark.
You couldn't just find anyone.
There's just two guys.
There's just one guy.
Remember I did raise the question.
I said, hey, I said, it doesn't make any difference.
So just like with our staff people, it's footage, and it's something that helps us in our lifetime experience.
I know.
I was fine.
All the rest, you'd be happy to do what the hell you say.
I should be able to do it.
I was asked about it.
Who the hell would?
I said, I was asked about it.
My cousin, the person in the office.
I said, obviously, I discussed the criteria.
I was, you know,
The Washington Post, the New York Times, and the Los Angeles Times
We have, frankly, our enemies running over our ears.
Boston Globe, who's not on the rest of Newsday, is not on there, thank God.
Well, they never worked it out in consideration, but they're going to be in trouble.
Those two?
Oh, why?
Why are they going to be in trouble?
Well, Newsday falls into the camera.
Well, they're not going to be in trouble.
They're not going to be in trouble.
Well, I'll rationalize it that way.
If they do, after all, maybe they have a time service moment.
That's really why you're trying to do that.
Yeah.
Ha!
If that's it, Boston Poe's on it.
There's no different way to speak of it.
Yeah.
How about we go back to what's-her-name that you've been in?
Rabbi's got it.
Oh, sure.
Well, Sarah McClellan.
Yeah, correct.
She does.
Boston Poe.
I say, you know, you could take all the fit-to-get criteria that you have to give us.
But see, we picked some.
On the other hand, I think this is where you bought something by putting on a craft and putting on your shoes.
And they asked me, how would you make them?
I said, well, I said, we wanted this black, I said, I wanted this black.
They're all signals.
We have some that are broadcast on days, but they're also very common.
They're two colors.
They're more than that.
Because they're all signals.
They're two colors.
Now, how did we pick them?
both of them are both of them are pretty close presidents the thing about that about criticizing the president of the right and criticizing the president of the left
Well, it's a substantial increase in the initial analysis.
No, the U.S. Bureau there, and we don't have a question.
That's the line of statement.
Well, you did select them right.
You remember, you brought in the list, and I struck off the Washington Post, and you put them back on.
I didn't even have a goddamn thing to do with anything.
The point I made was that I'm simply disgusted.
You need to get there just as you're vetoed.
I don't mind it.
You're vetoed for overruling.
How did they come on the debate before that session?
I don't know.
I had tasseled the shoes and chopped everything.
Just wiped it out.
Father asked about it.
What I told Father is that I'm a great author.
I'm a great author.
I didn't like the wires you went by.
I didn't like the wires.
I didn't see their places, so I don't want to.
Or the editorial work.
I mean, the times and the posts were in our hands.
It's terrible.
It's a virtue.
It's a sin.
I don't want to go to a sin.
It's a sin.
This is McCarthyism.
That's what they call McCarthyism.
I'd just like to see if one of them ever spoke up.
Well, they could.
I don't know.
The girl in the white house the other night.
The president actually quit murdering children.
Did anybody indicate any of the liberal columns concerned about that sort of model?
I don't want to do this.
Never will.
Well, I'm not complaining about it, except for stating the fact of life.
I'm aware of the rest.
And, uh... How did Henry become our ally?
Well, I...
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
The purpose of the fourth law is to stipulate the fate of one of your students.
He said that?
It's in the foreword.
He stipulated this question last night.
So he said, is that the reason?
One of our house officials said that they had to go.
But Henry said, I don't know if he had an answer, but Henry didn't answer.
He just said that this
I think Henry could have... No, actually, Tony Bob earlier... You've got to round it around.
I don't mean Henry should have said, well, it depends on all of us, but he should have said, and I look here, and I look at us, well, I understand.
The positive side is this.
any peace proposal, the chances of it succeeding is greatly increased to the extent that it has support.
And there's the vision.
I mean, I'd say wait and see if the chances are greatly reduced.
That's the next question.
I'm not sure you want Henry to do that debate.
All you do is ask.
What they do is, I think he's better off to adopt it.
Because if he had played it, they would have said,
Must be.
Is that what they say?
Well, you made that point, though, didn't you, Ron?
Is that carrying the story?
No.
They ignored that.
But they didn't tell me.
They didn't?
No.
They can't, they don't.
Well, they can.
I think they would.
Actually, the story's quite hard, because it's about, you know, where it starts to point to, and that's where the question is, and that's where you ended the line, which is why I never repeated the part where you emphasize, you know, you emphasize some of the other lines.
And they picked up your stuff very well.
Which is a better story than a repudiation story.
Yeah.
Well, you can compare, if you will, a little line for me.
My idea was to do an emergency at 4 o'clock and walk out at, I'll say, about 5 to 10 minutes.
Well, 5 to 8 minutes, perhaps.
State where we're going.
Gas or how far.
You can do it no longer.
Okay, so you said walk out.
Walk out.
Yeah.
Walk out of the office.
And I'll say, .
And I'll say, now we'll just take your questions and .
Right?
Let it run.
All right, let it run.
30.
Let it run.
30, a little over 30.
Let it run.
35, I suppose.
Limited to the.
Don't you think that's a good idea?
and I'll be providing extended answers at this time for some of the questions.
That's very good to hear.
Any other question or comments on that?
Clark, I'm terribly sorry about that.
You might give him a call after you leave here, so it's better to be disciplined than not to.
He said that this problem with one hand is something to be done.
The president's playing in the pool.
I'm selected.
He's not to say it.
I mean, he can't be trusted.
I can't be caught.
The president said he would be on that pool.
And there's going to be some real substance here.
And there's going to be so much in the pool.
And it's... Clark deserves to go.
And we just couldn't.
Do you want to ask Ron something?
No.
Oh, good.
Ron, you can put that out at any time of the day and day.
It's not important, but it's here.
You give yourself a run for your money.
Yes, sir.
Okay.
We got an answer from the Russians today about, you know, we sent them a copy of your speech.
Which one?
On Vietnam.
Oh, Vietnam?
Yes, sir.
Oh, no, that wasn't very...
Much gentler than the Chinese reply, you know, they go.
Very gentle reply.
They don't stay near you at all.
They just sit.
If you and me think there's something wrong with us, you know.
And very, very mild reply in that.
And at the end of the day, as for the Soviet Union, we continue to believe that the conflict in Vietnam can and must be solved by a peaceful way on the basis of respect for the lawful rights of its people.
We are ready to facilitate overcoming the difficulties that arise on the way.
And this doesn't mean anything by itself.
But then he went into a long discussion asking very many specific questions.
Uh, to bring that to people.
But you've never done it before.
It's a win-win.
Yeah.
I just reported it on our proposal that, uh, we'd better take it and get it married.
Well, I told them.
I think they have a real problem of, you know, not people because of people.
I think they've got to do it themselves.
You think he did?
Yeah, he did.
He wrote this plan.
I don't know what the press is there.
He wrote this plan, and he agreed to it.
I trust that you're getting the word to the agreement.
No, no, he told me again that they have decided you're going to win the election.
And for the first time, he said that the North Vietnamese are worried.
What will happen after your election at the North Vietnamese election?
And they said they make an agreement that you're going to win the election.
How do they know you're going to keep it after the election?
I said, let me put it this way, and you don't make an agreement now.
You asked him what he's going to do after the election, because a violent response is not unnatural to the president.
He said, I like the way you put it.
I would say it's natural.
So beginning to percolate, this thing has really put the cat among the pigeons.
They're dancing all over the place.
And see, McGovern's come out today.
What was it about?
Total withdrawal.
And two months.
And overthrowing Jews.
Yes.
What the hell is that?
It's surrender.
Well, it is.
It's worse than surrender.
It's not only...
It isn't enough for us to surrender.
We've got to make these our allies surrender, too.
Good point.
Still, I don't think it's happening today.
Yes.
What's that?
What did he just say?
He did his thing on Muskie.
Well, he cast Muskie into the loop.
What did he say?
He told him that Muskie's thing would have chopped him up completely on his proposal.
Well, first he chopped his proposal to pieces, but then what's even more shocking is he printed a conversation he had with Muskie, which makes it obvious that Muskie didn't know
Your proposal, boy, it's our proposal.
Well, that's right.
He reported that, Husky.
He said, well, let me read to you.
And I read Kissinger's sentence.
He read it and said that it was obvious.
Husky didn't even know what the proposal was.
He said, let me read to you from Kissinger's presentation.
And he said, but that's my position.
Why are they knocking me?
That's my position.
And Ossoff said he's right.
He said, well, one significant difference.
Wow.
Wow.
Not the political.
Yeah, the political thing.
Oh, he didn't know we had a May 31st blast.
He didn't know they were deceased.
He didn't understand anything.
I'm going to tell you bits and pieces.
I'm trying to get through this.
I must admit I haven't read that big brief case before yet, but
Let's make something.
That's right, February 7th.
I was wondering which one it was, the February 7th, the one I sent you today.
I haven't been to see it.
I'm not going to read your, I'm not going to say the, the interminable conversations of the war.
I just wanted you to get a flavor of what he does when he attacks.
This is how I got this piece, and how I counterattack.
But I, but you handled the screen well.
And, uh, but I was, you know, uh,
all of his brigades some of his historical analogies are not active oh yeah you know it would not be my intention to carry them out I mean to take them off because they accept the the last of eight years those pioneers although the British at that time the great empire the sun never set the British flag
At that time, the British Empire was most proud to believe in itself in the Victorian age.
That was about 25 years before it became Victorian.
50 years before it became Queen.
Before it became Queen.
No, no, I'm sorry.
You're right, 50 years.
But the Victorian age, I think that might be Victorian.
It may be a way that Chinese were having this, they mean Victorian in the sense of victory age.
rather than Victoria, but I just made a helmet.
Then he goes on to say, at that time, there was only one country, France, not even France, the whole country, France, but only the part of Lafayette, what the United States is, that's pure bullshit.
Lafayette was a symbol, but the French fleet, rather than a plant, troops, made possible war towns.
So, I mean, these are little things, but I'll take it.
And he said, the Americans were the first to employ guerrilla war and be victorious.
This is a very good lesson for the people of the world.
Utterly untrue.
The battles in the Revolutionary War were seven pieces.
Almost all of them were seven-piece battles.
In fact, they would have been better had they been guerrillas.
But he was wrong about that.
We believe that people should be allowed to win liberation through their own efforts.
I just put it up here.
Without any outside help.
Do you understand?
For instance, as I mentioned, in China, the United States forces and the U.S. forces are powerful in China.
They're not going to grow completely.
We will, of course, support the U.S. and China.
Pursue in their orders, you know, and the result of that will be new tensions.
Here again, we get out, they stay in.
You know, it's a double standard deal.
Oh, yeah.
But he sure sticks to the soldiers.
The Soviet Union would agree to such terms, but not put it into effect.
But if, on our side, we agree to do something, we will truly do it.
He hasn't read Chinese history.
Treacherous, disastrous.
That's Chinese.
I mean, that's, see, what Mao finds out, and as a matter of fact, there is this guy, Singaporean, American, in pain, finds out.
Chinese?
The reason they were good in warfare was lousy weapons.
They played treachery and every other goddamn thing.
This is one of the best things we've ever talked about.
Also, the untouchables.
At least I've been there.
I'd say, yes, I know.
Who the hell's responsible for the untouchables?
I've visited their goddamn camps and so forth and so on.
by Nehru's and Mr. Gandhi's and all the rest of them.
They're our intangibles, and they hold a lot over today.
You can't deposit your data.
But the prime minister is under no illusion that we will tolerate any discussion of our domestic abuse in the community, no matter what he thinks.
And then, Joe, but I don't think we should not oppose the general direction of the Senate.
But I don't think we should not have put this in town.
Yesterday, I had to see your draft.
It was a very, very, very good one.
And then he said, it's obvious that on many important points, he said, we have a different world out there, as I told you, on the first week, and the first, and the first, and the first, and the first, and the first, and the first, and the first, and the first, and the first, and the first, and the first, and the first, and the first, and the first,
I believe that the matter is that with regard to all countries, we should not intervene in their affairs, and we should support the national liberation of all peoples and not interfere with other countries, big or small.
Of course, that's a total contradiction.
It says on the one hand, with regard to all countries, we should not intervene in their affairs, but we should support the national liberation of all peoples and not interfere.
Totally.
That's the conscience deal.
Liberation.
We support $800 million for this, you know, and the other thing.
They have their problems, too.
Mr. President, I'm getting together for you a book on the actual conduct of Canadians and
I wanted to ask you about it.
I'm making it a little longer than usual.
Usually, I only give you two pages.
At this time, I'm giving you three or four pages of how the Chinese think of this problem.
What we will almost certainly say.
So when I finally come down to it, you know, I'm going to have to, really after I finish this and come to the background, which is, which is,
There may not really be, I mean, in one sense, you don't need it at all, but in another sense, it's totally indispensable.
It gives you a feeling.
You've got to be able to have a feeling.
This is, if I could, I think it's more important than I have done, and I get on with the tactics.
I've got to read that.
But I think you might consider reading the, not the verbatim accounts of the meeting,
because I can pick out the key elements of those for you.
But, uh, the memos I wrote, which are in a separate book.
And then, my briefing papers this time.
The State Department briefing papers are almost useless.
They're very useless.
You have a deadly contagion for the whole trip.
And so today, I'm sorry to go there, but today you've got just less than that.
And
It wouldn't help you because you've seen it.
They don't have much power.
They must have horses.
They're not in good shape.
At any rate, that's what they've done.
They really are.
I mean, to think that you have to sit through sessions with Joe, each of which goes on six hours, with just eight boys in front of you for each session.
Is it possible?
At any rate, you can treat things easily.
What I, I don't disagree with them, they're not wrong.
In fact, they're right.
But what we've done is, but if you think it's too long, I'll cut it down.
Oh, it'll be fine.
We're giving you a day.
That is coming, however.
You'll have it tonight, tomorrow morning, or tomorrow afternoon.
Well, I don't see tomorrow morning, because I have to, I have to, I have to get my little chest out.
Well, you can read the first thing.
Well, let me say you have it by 3 o'clock tomorrow.
What I would recommend is what you might consider really good.
It's not the transcripts, but the memos of the years that I've had.
Because they'll give you a flavor of it.
I try to write them to be honest with you.
The memorandum.
The memorandum.
Yeah.
That's in the big, big case.
And I don't look for it.
That's what I'll send to Florida.
Yes, but I sent two separate things.
I sent two books of transcripts of media.
I don't think I want to read the transcripts.
Those you don't want to read yet.
And one book which has all the memos I wrote you.
Those I want to read.
Those you might want to read first because they'll give you the history in a narrative form.
After that, and I will have to leave by tomorrow afternoon,
of some of the key positions.
But each of them is about eight pages long.
But what it has is, how do the Chinese look at it?
What will they say?
What do we recommend you should say?
And then what is the communique language that's already agreed to on that subject?
So that is not communique language.
It's communique language.
How do we give this file to Carter Rogers?
I'll take all the stuff out of that and give him the rest of it.
The rest of it?
Your conversation?
Yeah.
I'll give him the petition papers.
Mine is just a communicate language.
A communicate language is going to work out between the two of us, isn't it?
My only worry is, Mr. President, if we give them all this stuff, they'll leave it and stay abused.
Well, just wait a little while.
Let's do it.
As we get, we're going to be true.
Let's do it as we, when we start out.
I think we've got lots of time.
And I'm working on the damn stuff.
We're all busy.
And to start being on the plane, I don't, I don't, I think it's vitally important not to have any leaks before, before we, you know, before a solid day comes due to the, due to the earthquake.
on the way to China.
Yeah.
Sure.
It takes four days to get to China.
There's nothing for anybody that anybody has to do except read the paper.
What you could say then is at this time, you're taking the state stuff, you're taking your stuff, and I told you to get it down to the farms, and we can all understand something.
We understand the problem.
The same papers.
I hope you have that.
I hope you have that bill.
Thank you very much.
No, he can get it.
At that time?
What I have in there is also what I've already told him.
You should make sure of it, unless you disagree.
That in each category where I have told him something, that you read further.
Because that will make it very serious.
I will.
I don't know what you said.
I don't know.
I mean, we haven't had a final word, you know, on what reception you're going to have.
You have the braveness of its lover and all of it.
Well, as far as the Chinese are concerned, whether it's not the cool or the warm reception, oh, it would be very good.
It would certainly be fairly warm.
whether they have big crowds or not.
And as a matter of fact, I don't think it makes a hell of a lot of difference.
I mean, if they don't have big crowds, it doesn't control them.
Oh, if they do, it's business control also.
That's right.
Of course.
My view about it is that the most important picture about the truth, the most important one,
That's far more important than anything else.
as the ones that were playing around were the second most important musicians, who, of course, we went on to find.
Those were the two.
Now, beyond that, we went to the Wall with Planner and Sessions, the band, which all the rest will be very interesting.
Letty Streisand, going out of his mind, and I was at a very, very, very, yeah, at the Trump, I mean, was he going?
You know, he's a good-sized man.
He wants to go on a boat.
You know, he wants to go on a boat.
He wants to go on a boat.
He wants to go on a boat.
He wants to go on a boat.
He wants to go on a boat.
He wants to go on a boat.
He wants to go on a boat.
He wants to go on a boat.
He wants to go on a boat.
You wanted more.
That's pretty good coverage.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
I mean, nobody's convinced of that.
Nobody can complain about no.
That's all I'm looking for.
That's 48 hours.
Try to get the deep clean drop if you want it.
It's probably going to take place next day.
Well, we all sell the idea.
After you talk with Porter, we don't have much time.
What I'm getting at, though, is you see the validity of it.
You told them I wanted to think of other things like this to do with something that is man-made, something that is different.
It's a disgrace, you know, once I told them.
It is just that I'm selling to them.
They all recognize it was a good idea.
They're really going to hit.
They'll have enough targets.
Every plane that flies into that area for 48 hours against every...
They must know that they have a canvas.
And also, we could get lucky.
I mean, after all, you might have a division.
If they did a division too bad, they may knock the whole bloody thing into the room.
Well, here's what it is like.
It's this.
They're bound to get lucky somewhere.
They can't miss everything all the time.
The other thing you have to remember, too, is that it's in a sense, Henry, I know that it is.
Well, as anybody, these are not seven-feet battles.
I know they're guerrilla war, but on the other hand, they're lining up here for a massive assault with a hell of a lot of people.
So it is going to be more of a seven-feet battle, correct?
Now, if that is the case, what we should then do is, what I am really talking about is the equivalent of an artillery barrage, which
should come before they hit and knock the shit out of them.
Now, why not?
And we have to know exactly what we did.
I have to go.
And even if we don't hit them, it must be moralized.
These troops, if it hits close to them, and so if it beats them, it beats them, yeah.
Actually, I thought they would attack before that.
They left more to stay buried.
The better it is for them.
You think so?
Yes, because we can hit them after March 1st.
We can't hit them before we go to China.
We didn't.
I think we've got the liberals completely confused now.
Brayton has written two favorable comments on Europe.
He's now rooting for us because we don't have a very...
What do you say about that?
The brain saw that, though.
Remember, we said, I'm going to give you another thing.
Harry, you, you see, he did it.
Correct.
I'm glad that you told me that.
No, we invited him to the show.
But nevertheless, my point is that one of these things that we have to bear in mind is that this is one thing that bears out totally what we have said in our briefings.
bears out, too, exactly what I said in that Danville speech about three years ago.
I said they all really insisted on overthrowing the government of Vietnam.
And they did.
Incidentally, Mr. President, you didn't say in your speech that on August 16th we made another military proposal.
What you said was on August 16th we gave them a precise deadline, which is true, but we made that part of a general proposal.
But that makes it even better because once we implied to these two crypto-carnivores that had we been willing to play with them about the election, they would have settled.
But that isn't true because we were willing to publish a set of principles during the summer which we thought would affect the election, which we thought would affect the election.
He said if we would have set a deadline during the summer, that would have affected the election.
We offered them a deadline three times during the summer.
They're getting it deeper and deeper, and our opponents are just over the top.
And I think... Well, I think they're...
I think our opponents are going to be forced now to... To go to the McGoverns.
Exactly.
That is the only possible way.
Yeah, and I wonder if the American people...
I wonder if some people...
I don't know.
They may say, well, Christ will lend a war paper to, you know, who the hell cares?
Who the hell cares?
We want to support South Vietnam.
We've carried this long enough.
I don't think you can make much of a case, even though we say we can't overdo our ally and settle with one thing, surrender is enough, another.
You see what I mean?
I think whoever says that, I don't know, let me say, we'll never do it.
But I think we have to realize that these bastards are so...
still close in their own, am their own, and they don't, they're just not going to close.
In terms of American support, we really ought to, probably most people say that.
But anyway, I don't know if any of the senior journalists would not have said that.
Well, maybe a ton of the journalists will say that they can't do that.
They've got to say that it's so wrong.
Well, that's what I think the assessment is, isn't it?
Right.
It is what I think people want to do, except for the, you know, does that say 25, 30 percent?
Oh, yeah, that's 20, 35.
Nevertheless, one thing, Bob, that you have to do is get out and do something.
I saw a UPI story that said all the fields of the U.S. were kind of controlled system.
So it's a very disturbing story that picked up three people.
Well, it picked up three people, but my point is, I had marked my news on it earlier, last week sometime, after Henry had gone over there.
I said, now, get out the news with regard to the attitudes.
Was that done?
Yes.
Three or four very good stories.
I didn't see them.
I didn't see them.
Those don't make, apparently don't make our news on this.
Well, there was one over the weekend.
There was one during it.
Yeah.
Well, you see, Hughes wrote me a memorandum, which I looked at yesterday, which bore out this point.
Then I picked up that there's something in it.
It's a UPI story, and I know that.
It gives us the skeleton of Hughes' memorandum.
And he knows about this.
And he works with Stuart, his attendant.
I'm probably the guy who wrote the story.
So it's like Christ said, what the hell is the matter?
See what I mean?
I don't want to get the impression around that we have at least turned some of the lives in our direction.
We haven't.
Well, it's about meaning we had all the ones that were dead.
Now, this is what the FBI does.
If you read the story, they cover themselves very well.
They say President Nixon failed in one of the major things of his presidency.
I'm trying to have a belief here.
in that he did not win back the dissident POWs.
Well, he didn't.
There's a group of politicized POW types that you know.
That's right.
They're more Democrats.
It's like saying he didn't win back that Veterans of Vietnam, you know, against the war guy, John Kerry or whatever.
He didn't win the impact either.
with McCloskey back.
That's an idiotic kind of a story.
What they're saying is that the people who were against you are still against you.
Well, those people who were adamant against you are still against you.
That's the politicization of the O.W.C.
that represents, as Don pointed out, maybe several hundred, but only several dozen.
It's a bad story.
It ought to be corrected.
No question.
I see a phony story that's written that way.
I mean, it's intentionally written to mislead.
I wonder who did it.
I don't know.
Because the guy that's going to China with us, I deny him honor.
It's factually correct, but it's very misleading.
See, because we do not want, we don't want a guy that's going to China with us to get away with anything.
It is factually wrong, because we're going to have to keep them factually right.
They're there.
Right?
Absolutely.
Nail the backs.
This big casualty would be enough.
And then, life will have a cover of two handsome, wonderful, young boys, children, and classes.
That was the most, if I ever thought, if I ever thought that life did not further my desire to survive, that was, I saw that happen.
But that, that, that argument made it much, you know, more pure.
You know what, we must agree that it was Patrick that used that pan in the ear thing.
I think every time these bloody Democrats...
I think they've weakened themselves.
It's such a terrible performance.
At least all the knowledgeable people...
I don't know any of the journalists in town right now...
and the Federalist Party.
Well, it's terrible.
They're struggling over each other trying to sell out the... Well, who's going to sell out?
Well, they're struggling over each other to sell out America, sell out our allies, sell out 17 million South Vietnamese.
Right, it's a bloodbath.
Let alone... You know, in fact, quite a rhetorical...
I remember that last paragraph.
I forgot how I said it, but the boy said it.
And that'll be the end of all...
The honor of this nation.
They want to destroy it.
Could somebody pray?
I was accusing the word by honor.
Let's do it.
I don't think he wants to do it.
We had several.
We had fights for offers.
The show doesn't offer that.
Well, they offered.
So we didn't fight.
We couldn't help each other.
Bill Poe would have to speak in her head.
So that was in Buckley.
And Joe Patrick was nuts.
Joe Patrick was nuts.
They accepted Buckley?
The Chinese did?
We did.
Yeah, with the Chinese.
I appreciate that.
Yeah, it must have been a good day.
What do you mean?
Not do a lot.
Huh?
Not do a lot.
Should have canceled his speech.
Oh, I was trying to say, who the hell?
He could have made it.
He could have doubled his fee on every speaking engagement by saying, I can't come now because I've looked at China with President Nixon.
I'd be glad to reschedule a month later.
You realize, Henry, that everyone who's a journalist and commentator who goes to China has to pay $100,000.
From there on, you can pick audiences all over the country and get $500 to $1,000.
Well, $250 to $500 and some of them to $1,000 are cracked.
That's what they pay honorary.
That's right.
saying about what the hell they saw in China.
It's like, it's like the astronauts couldn't do it.
And they'll all do it.
See, they can do it.
They, they, they, they, they all, I think, they're pleased.
Well, I'll tell you, they're lucky to go.
And the Chinese surprised me that they took so many.
It's very, very ridiculous.
Well, remember, we expected 20.
We got them up to 85.
And we got up to 85 on the ground station.
On the original ground station.
Apparently, the Chinese are putting one in in Shanghai, Pittsburgh.
They're buying it.
Yes, that's the last thing they're doing.
All the way through this, of course, I can see why they think that Hangzhou is almost like Manhattan.
It must be a city that all Chinese were there.
And it kept them in support all the time.
One thing, too, all this abuse did not go to the headlines.
It did not make great.
No one would ever mention it.
So I really focused on that.
Well, I think the China story for the Bush pre-day will probably not like that, but I don't think...
Drag computer days.
No, they don't think so.
They've got to communicate with each other.
Look, when you've got the Walter Cronkites and the Barbara Walters and the John Chancellors and all those cats over there who are obsessed with getting themselves on, they're going to build mysteries, they're going to build... John Cronkites, they have the one-hour special every night.
Yep.
And it's gonna get an enormous attention every day you're there.
It doesn't matter.
They'll get out and find them.
Well, sure.
And they'll go through all kinds of stuff.
You know, there'll be a big rumor.
There'll be all kinds of stuff going on.
We shouldn't give them anything because...
Nothing.
I'm gonna tell them Thursday on this.
Well, not Thursday.
Why?
Tell them there's not gonna be any background recovery.
We're not gonna do anything.
And because what is most important is the success of this trip, the success of this talk.
This is the way the press is going to run us.
The way we regret it is that we cannot do this.
We would like to appreciate it.
We would honor that because it will jeopardize the possible state.
And let them feel that they're working for America.
They'll be in a very good place.
I think they will.
I think they will, too.
I think they will.
Let me tell you an interesting thing.
When I went to Russia in 1959, the Russians, you know, discussed the Catholic nation, which just happened in the past seven years.
We did it deliberately.
We didn't plan it for this time.
So every place we went, they had headquarters.
Mr. Vice President, I want to ask you about the campaign.
Well, anyway, the net result is that
press, the American press, by the end of that trip, were on my side, our side, so to speak.
And they tend to do that when you go abroad.
Even though they know what they have to do, because they know what they need.
You've got to remember that the Gandhi's people are basically, they're not anti-American.
And they're going to get awfully sick of communism when they see it.
It's a miserable, son-of-a-bitch system.
That's a good point.
The Chinese will handle themselves better.
But what I meant is, I don't believe that you're going to find them taking a hand-pied Nixon.
But it doesn't look as grand and as miserable as Russia does.
Well, yeah, but not as much as in Russia.
In Russia, it just packs all over you.
Sure does.
In the Chinese, they're much more skillful.
They're much more likeable people.
But I must say, I think that you're going to find the press wanting to be somewhat on our side.
But the press, in any event, they're going to see all these things, and they're going to... And there's enough spectacle.
I mean, after all, they have these meetings to report.
And towards the end, they'll have to communicate.
That's what it is.
That's what it is.
That's what it is.
And people are fascinated by the kind of stuff that they do on the boat, where if there's anything happening there, if they're on for hours and hours and hours, you can't keep seeing them with the little television things.
They have one little camera just sitting there for hours.
They'll show people, they'll show the buildings and the...
around the city to get out into the countryside.
I know.
You can go to the meeting and come back from the meeting.
They'll drop you out of the picture in the meeting.
Oh, shit.
I'm sure they can.
Someone cranked up a little bit.
She's been killed.
She's been kidnapped.
I don't know if it's settled or not.
The locations are broken or something.
But I've got a cold.
You've got a cold.
It's been poisoned.
Let her.
Okay.
Step on it.
There was also an interesting little part that I'm sure Henry Lefort had been escaping when he read this book.
The Chinese, despite the fact that they had a very interesting preserving of religion, as they had always
And so there is something, a Korean thing called .
And that sells for two dollars and a half for .
And then .
And it compels about how it's supposed to be.
And there must be something good because they've been using it that way for 2,000 years.
So it may be purely psychological.
It's not like that.
I'm not interested.
Oh, yeah.
But it's fascinating.
I don't think so.
I don't think they have any stores.
It's like Russia.
Yeah, Russia, you do that.
I don't know.
They don't have this in China.
The Russian trip would be fascinating in other ways because while you do not have stores in Russia, you've got people
but you do have the big Russian markets.
It's fascinating to walk through those markets, you know, buy food and forage, go there and be able to eat forage.
The Pompidou thing
Let's be sure that we don't get rid of it.
I don't want to copy and agitate it.
I haven't done anything.
What I meant is, I mean, I would just reassure him on it.
Because, you know, I mean, we know what, I think our awareness is very close to this idea that we'll go back and put it over the top.
And we remember the big argument about it.
And we've never agreed to it.
It's not about the buildings.
What he is raising is related to it in a sense.
That is, that we agree to maintain the value of the dollar without the value of the dollar.
But on the other hand, I'd like to hand it over to Conrad.
Conrad should see it better.
I think it is just a good time to address it as well.
Yeah.
Why don't you just, and you might say that, sitting over here for a minute, because the president knows exactly what the problem is here, you know, and he knows the problem, and he should help us to try to reply to that.
No comment.
He's pushing the Canadians to do it again.
Everybody I know is...
I knew that if he keeps going like this, he may do it to Trudeau if that's what he wants.
But, uh, but that Trudeau cannot politically do the things we are doing.
I stayed out of it, but it is building into a confrontation.
Well, I get, uh, flying everywhere.
So, I'm glad you're here with me.
And what we may be able to do is to get to the top of the tree, then right after we get to the top of the tree.
Well, we go to find it right after we get to the top of the tree.
In any event, Mr. President, I don't disagree with this stuff.
But
Yeah, as I say, tomorrow morning I'll continue to
Finish a few little things.
What is the date today?
7th.
7th.
Among the big books I've given you, the only one that can be truly divisible is this.
The Mammoths that actually describe the meat.
What's that?
Among the books I've given you, the only one that requires some meat that you might consider eating first.
Why?
That is the one of the meat.
It's not the verbatim, but...
I know.
I know the memoranda that you prepared.
I'll do it.