{"conversationCode":"322-010","tapeNumber":322,"conversationNumber":10,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-322-010","startDateTime":"1972-02-29T19:56:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-02-29T20:16:00.000Z","startDate":"29-Feb-1972","startTime":"2:56 PM","endDate":"29-Feb-1972","endTime":"3:16 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.;","description":"On February 29, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:56 pm to 3:16 pm. 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(President)","Colson, Charles W."],"prevCode":"322-009","nextCode":"322-011","transcript":[{"start":3.12,"end":9.15,"text":"Yeah, hello."},{"start":9.59,"end":10.99,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":16.72,"end":16.84,"text":"Hello."},{"start":18.66,"end":20.1,"text":"Yeah, I'm finished now."},{"start":20.6,"end":21.22,"text":"Is this a substance?"},{"start":21.24,"end":30.7,"text":"See, if it's a substance, we're in trouble, because that isn't what really matters."},{"start":30.72,"end":30.98,"text":"Is that true?"},{"start":31,"end":32.94,"text":"Have you talked to Sendlinger or anybody online?"},{"start":34.69,"end":49.71,"text":"Play it again."},{"start":49.73,"end":49.85,"text":"Again."},{"start":49.87,"end":50.29,"text":"That's a little late."},{"start":50.31,"end":50.77,"text":"Get there a little bit."},{"start":50.79,"end":50.87,"text":"Now."},{"start":50.89,"end":51.03,"text":"Snooze."},{"start":53.12,"end":70.06,"text":"The point that you make is that you think that the personal image thing finally got through a little."},{"start":70.08,"end":77.22,"text":"That's the thing we needed to know and what we deserved and never got because of the hospital person."},{"start":77.23,"end":80.68,"text":"Because I've been told that I opposed to the people, all of them, and Harold Wilson,"},{"start":83.95,"end":100.75,"text":"And I understood that because, my God, when I saw that Washington Post headline when it came back, it was the most disgraceful headline I've ever seen."},{"start":100.77,"end":101.31,"text":"And it was wrong."},{"start":101.45,"end":101.89,"text":"Totally wrong."},{"start":101.91,"end":102.75,"text":"And they were doing it deliberately."},{"start":102.77,"end":104.01,"text":"Because Christ said you want to flush fire along many events."},{"start":104.03,"end":104.71,"text":"I told the leaders that."},{"start":104.73,"end":110.42,"text":"I said it was the most disgraceful headline I've ever seen."},{"start":110.44,"end":113.16,"text":"First, I gave them a good shot at the airport in my speech."},{"start":113.72,"end":129.15,"text":"Rather, just to sum up the mission, I'm sure Rather gets a few nasty notes on him."},{"start":129.17,"end":131.68,"text":"I don't know whether it helps or not, but does he?"},{"start":131.7,"end":134.56,"text":"Well, if you arrange that, I'd get him on our calls and everything, but you know what I mean."},{"start":137.33,"end":143.14,"text":"as I wrote the damn thing in the plan, but it wasn't too long."},{"start":143.18,"end":148.52,"text":"It was a report for the nation, and there are at least people listening last night that will listen if I did it next week."},{"start":152.5,"end":165.06,"text":"And the thing about the man can help us, because the way you go up, the substance goes up and down."},{"start":165.08,"end":170.43,"text":"And if it helps with regard to the man, then that sort of thing that you had with Eisenhower that sort of kept him, you know, everything else went down, he stayed up."},{"start":170.45,"end":176.01,"text":"You get a little of that feeling, it's weird, it's a shame."},{"start":176.03,"end":176.5,"text":"The Magnus."},{"start":180.76,"end":203.8,"text":"The wall, the forbidden city, the toasting and all that."},{"start":203.82,"end":204.24,"text":"How far are we right?"},{"start":204.26,"end":204.5,"text":"Fast enough."},{"start":204.52,"end":204.62,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":204.64,"end":204.8,"text":"I agree."},{"start":204.82,"end":205.84,"text":"I'm not reading this on this for a couple of weeks."},{"start":207.27,"end":212.78,"text":"That's why they did it."},{"start":212.8,"end":224.25,"text":"That's why they did it."},{"start":224.27,"end":224.93,"text":"All right, now."},{"start":227.59,"end":235.38,"text":"You start to think, you know, that wasn't a bad article, that wasn't like she was using it."},{"start":235.4,"end":245.35,"text":"If you were using what they've been writing about my brother, making him out to appear to be a fat, I don't mind him making him out to, you know, trying to use influence, but he's a fat, indecent slob."},{"start":245.38,"end":251.78,"text":"Well, goddammit, that hurts me very deeply, but I'm not going to cry about it."},{"start":251.84,"end":252.81,"text":"Yeah, from weeks ago."},{"start":257.27,"end":269.93,"text":"Isn't that?"},{"start":269.95,"end":279.82,"text":"My God, you'd never think of me."},{"start":279.84,"end":280.92,"text":"He'll stay up by 8 o'clock, at 6, 5, 7, or 10 o'clock."},{"start":280.94,"end":281.4,"text":"What do you say?"},{"start":281.42,"end":281.76,"text":"Bring me Mr. ."},{"start":281.78,"end":282.08,"text":"How's Florida?"},{"start":282.1,"end":285.74,"text":"How's that look now?"},{"start":285.76,"end":285.86,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":287.38,"end":314.08,"text":"The situation with regard to Lindsay, he was down there."},{"start":317.25,"end":342.76,"text":"The market didn't go down while I was gone."},{"start":342.78,"end":343.08,"text":"It was in 1924."},{"start":343.1,"end":345.34,"text":"So that's good."},{"start":345.36,"end":345.6,"text":"That's fine."},{"start":345.62,"end":346.36,"text":"Like I said, I don't want it to move."},{"start":347.98,"end":370.47,"text":"That's from before they were crippled."},{"start":370.49,"end":370.99,"text":"Must be."},{"start":371.01,"end":372.17,"text":"But Harris feels pretty good with the chance of crippling."},{"start":372.19,"end":372.51,"text":"It's time."},{"start":372.53,"end":374.05,"text":"I don't think the people are going to give God a damn about what's going on."},{"start":375.75,"end":398.8,"text":"Just like that, you went both ways, man."},{"start":398.82,"end":400.42,"text":"Remember, we all were worried about the end of our future, but now we've got it."},{"start":400.44,"end":400.78,"text":"Now we've got it."},{"start":400.8,"end":401.14,"text":"Now we've got it."},{"start":401.16,"end":401.5,"text":"Now we've got it."},{"start":401.52,"end":401.86,"text":"Now we've got it."},{"start":401.88,"end":402.22,"text":"Now we've got it."},{"start":402.24,"end":402.58,"text":"Now we've got it."},{"start":402.6,"end":402.94,"text":"Now we've got it."},{"start":404.85,"end":433.86,"text":"Oh, it came down again."},{"start":433.88,"end":433.98,"text":"Good."},{"start":435.29,"end":453.23,"text":"And we've done four, at least, the month before."},{"start":453.25,"end":458.95,"text":"Crayon, I guess, the one hint of... Crayon, I suggest, does that sound better?"},{"start":458.98,"end":459.1,"text":"Right."},{"start":459.12,"end":459.36,"text":"Three hints."},{"start":459.38,"end":460.24,"text":"That sounded pretty fun, so it should do."},{"start":460.48,"end":460.64,"text":"I agree."},{"start":463.99,"end":483.62,"text":"Oh"},{"start":491.21,"end":509.64,"text":"Well, I was probably still in the numbers up there."},{"start":509.66,"end":510.32,"text":"About one-third of them, I guess."},{"start":510.34,"end":514.11,"text":"It's hilarious that you can't seriously consider a trip like that across the nation, of course, for nothing."},{"start":514.13,"end":515.73,"text":"Rick!"},{"start":515.75,"end":516.15,"text":"Okay."},{"start":516.17,"end":516.51,"text":"Oh, I will, yeah."},{"start":517.82,"end":528.4,"text":"Yeah, well, I'm a little tired, but I'll be fine."},{"start":528.42,"end":528.52,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Charles Colson discuss the political fallout and public perception following the President's recent trip to China. 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