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Before I get up there, I think that I'd like to have you go over to Steve Connelly.

I understand that you should have a goddamn frank discussion with him about the logic of all this.

Before we go.

The argument that's been just crossed my mind is that it has to be suggested that he's a party of interest.

In fact, a lot of these are pretty clear that he does want to do it.

Before he came, that weekend when I talked to him, he told me he didn't want it to be some territory to be forever.

That's the real interest, so... We'll see.

We'll see.

to get the thing off.

I agree with that, all right?

They live with it.

That's what it's done.

It's great.

I think that's a concentration.

They asked me about the report.

And I, you know, .

So I read it last night.

That's the one last week.

that the President made the decision not to import the U.S., but on the contrary, the foundation of our public opinion, said on the contrary, he made the decision to import the U.S. Let's have a thought.

But they were on that report that he would do it on Wednesday.

We put one out way back when we first got over there.

And it sounded like he should answer to a question somewhere.

He said the President would probably report to him after he .

But I said he would make that report.

The President decided, when he got to China, to make that report.

When he brought it, he said, I think the President was going to assess it before going all the way around the world.

And he was pleased that he was able to do that to a nationwide audience and not take more time and create time.

Then they said, this is a press conference.

We've been asked to do it at the press conference sometime in the future.

We don't know the direction on which it's set.

But it won't be for the purpose of strictly on the essence of it.

But it was a battle to do it.

Then they asked, I covered probably one thing.

I said, I don't believe it.

I said, I can't comment on that.

Don, what Henry said in Shanghai, China.

I emphasized in Shanghai, China.

What the president said in his report last night.

And I said, there's a question about the organization on that.

Leave it there.

Don't be driven off of that.

I don't want to keep repeating this.

Don't ever repeat it again.

.

I don't know whether you wanted us to come down.

Susky, keep your eye on her.

Is that right?

Is it her clothes, Harold?

That's where you've got the Taiwan thing, rather than .

You couldn't care less about .

That's .

That's what you talked about in China .

You covered the fact that I had made that report.

You covered the fact that, uh, on the Taiwan meeting, exactly that.

I told you not to say another word about it, but now I want you to say, I've covered that.

I have nothing further to say.

Make sure to stay.

Who?

Hey?

Well, just say that we don't want anything, the President doesn't want anything more said on Taiwan.

He stated, the President stated his position.

The Secretary of State doesn't need to.

The President stated his position on sediment, and that is the thing that we have nothing more to say about it.

There's nothing more to agree on the sediment.

Then you've got to work out what you want the Secretary to do when he's on the Hill.

Say exactly the same thing.

He doesn't need to add a goddamn thing.

But why does he take a verbatim thing and read it?

Why doesn't he say that's been covered in all these years?

What does this look like?

A week.

But anyway, let's get a verbatim thing that I will, all right, prepare for me before he goes.

And I don't want you to look at it too much.

But prepare me, and I'll send it over.

Because of the pilot's sensitivity to the entire one thing, I think this statement should be made and not interpreted.

I think that's a good idea, isn't it?

The thing I wanted to talk about in the greatest of confidence here, you weren't a believer.

Yes, sir.

Are you the leader in, or are you the, are you the ones, one that prepared Roderick in mind?

Yes, sir.

He didn't do the general request.

He just gave him a line about the promise deal.

The promise deal, I thought.

What was your view when you talked to him about it?

Oh, what the Secretary said?

I'm shocked he doesn't have him now.

I don't think it's true.

Even if he believes it, it wouldn't be the most stupid thing he could say.

And in comparison, he's being tied on the rest.

pissing on the Chinese, who have just been our host, for Christ's sakes.

And we all know that.

And trying to prove that, well, by golly, that communism is bad.

Hell, I know it's bad.

We all say that.

That's what we say about capitalism.

Another thing that I just followed a little while ago, is you started saying they won't discuss substance until they discuss principles.

So these things, well, in my case, they were going to discuss them.

On the first day, this is what we had programmed.

But we didn't want it to get to .

We had the whole trade exchange, and it all worked out for a year or so then.

Now, it's .

Brent Brown, though.

He didn't get into .

No.

What do you think, Al?

How the hell are we going to handle this?

Well, I'm very concerned that he's going to be free, just to find him alone.

I'd like to speak to leaders, you know, and the cops, I think.

You know, it's a threat to you, to the whole.

To the Soviets, who we've got to keep intimidated.

They're like catching up to Chinese, you know, with them, isn't it?

So I'm like, is there any time we get, get him under control?

He's got, he's got the time.

He's had a lot of, you know, I don't know.

Did he ever discuss any of this in the plane about, or did he do any?

I, I was so... No, he couldn't.

He did.

But not with me.

He made it, he said he did, but he made the point on the plane, just in conversation and sending me out, he made the point about...

We all know that.

I've been to Singapore and Taiwan long before they existed.

But of course they're different.

But shit, you don't say it.

That was just in conversation with me.

He was just telling me who that number, Taiwan, number 391, industrialization is.

Oh, yeah.

Thank you.

I don't think they will, but the real problem with the guy is that he was that bad in front of the President and Henry, and the congressional leaders, and in front of the President and Henry at the cabinet.

And you can be damn sure he was a hell of a lot worse when he was alone in the confines of his own halls.

on the phone screen, obviously.

He was the only one that took the strong line.

Or he was there taking a tough line.

I can take a tough one.

I didn't have to.

Well, I noticed the Chinese do keep a nice flow and so forth and don't change their expression, but there was one time when there was some change occurring in the board of ministers and it stood my commissioner on the seat and said, let's open this up and see what's on the table.

And the translation came back and it barely showed that there was going to be a little transit here.

Mr. Secretary of Defense.

I said, the foreign minister was sitting there listening.

The technique that the secretary was following was more of a questioning type of technique after the foreign minister had re-tapped the history of everything.

And I made a note of it myself.

I thought, this could be the end.

You know, I said all the same thing.

You've got to wait a minute.

What's the way?

You see, the foreign ministry, the foreign ministry articulated the history going back to the , what did it in the , as you referred to this morning.

But the tone of the response, I think, is perhaps what .

Well, it was more or less

the pitch downward, you know, pitch like, you know, you guys just don't know the world and you don't understand our view and our system and let me explain it to you.

They have explained it to you that you people would be better people.

Now that's a little harsh, but I'm asking you not to get my observation.

It was more of a lecture of, you know, if you people simply don't understand

He was trying to make a record.

He was trying to make a record of it being tough, that's the thing.

Well, sure.

He was very sure about it.

the Secretary of Defense looked over at me and I've got a number of quake balls and plastic bags and so forth.

And at one time he looked over at me and kind of went, you know, like, he's not on the track.

And showed me the grace of our God, too.

John always kept coming back to me.

He said he was pretty proud.

He said he was a pro.

He would go in, John, he would go in, hey, on our conversation.

And apparently it was a little bit, it was very so ridiculous that he was very proud of the project.

Roger left the impression at full speed.

I had sort of been walking along the generalities in a very nice way and so forth.

John O'Malley, the new build agent, well, we got the transcript, but basically there was never cold steel that was there.

So people, they discuss nothing in the account about me that you have already discussed and settled.

Those people exercise in the account about me and put things in there that you have already settled themselves.

So, the whole thing is, you know, I think that's why Joe probably put off Steve Harvey and probably answered why he didn't make an argument with Steve Harvey.

Well, the fingerprint thing is going to leave.

What?

The fingerprint, yeah.

What's that?

The question is whether or not the fingerprint

That's better.

Yeah.

Even in that case, the tone was more, see, you're even wrong on that.

And, uh, he only understood us, or he was made to go search the city.

I don't know if he knew at all.

He was a secretary at this point, so he had an opportunity to reach us.

And he went to my car last night.

He won't be here today, probably.

But I don't think he has yet.

And, uh, we didn't.

Maybe they couldn't get a feel for the quality of these people because they were using their first team on it.

And they transformed the building hours into another thing.

The former minister is not one of them.

He's fired.

Thank you.

The point is that they all are part of the building.

Bill was just over his head.

Wasn't that really what it was?

I don't know.

Or was it Tom?

I don't know.

You can handle the tire lock there, if that's not where I am.

You can go to the center.

He'll be on the social circuit.

That's the other thing.

He's bound to be at a party somewhere, and somebody's going to say, were you impressed by the Shanghai industrial exhibit?

He's going to say, not at all.

Yeah, we don't need to be worried.

Which means, really, we didn't even have to see him.

See, that's what this all has done to him.

Well, that said, we didn't need to see him, and it's good that we could sit down and take out the photo we were taking.

You do it, Alan.

You do it.

Okay, you do it.

How would you feel about it, Alan?

You were there, and I was a big freak in this scenario, and I don't think you should take over this subject with you.

Just say, look, we say you couldn't agree more with the evaluation, but this is not helpful.

It's very fine to say that, but I mean, this is, after all, America's life here, so it's not helpful.

It's the Russian game that isn't helpful, and if it was that, the Chinese game, I don't think you are, you're running it down.

I'm not saying I don't agree with the evaluation.

I don't agree.

I'm just trying to find a way, something.

I agree.

I tried to get her to say, well, the truth I wish was lying even again.

I said, God damn it.

I remember the people that didn't think the Russians were going to make it either.

In 1959, that struck me.

I knew they were going to make it.

I know the effect.

Considering what these people have been through, considering the fact that they've just ripped themselves apart.

They've all been closed.

Then they ripped themselves apart with the Cultural Revolution.

Then they had a people-like September.

With all of this, they've made major strides.

They've developed nuclear weapons, missiles, all of that.

Their standard of living is higher than 70.

So it's ridiculous to look down on them and be a stupendous achievement.

It's not a society that we want to live in.

But actually, we need to now go out and hold the whole foreign policy game.

You know, it was very very disillusioned last night.

And very few of them survived.

We've got this here in Atlanta.

What do you think, Robert, of letting Al have a problem with that?

I think it's a good idea, but I think what Al's got to do is call Ron Pearson.

and say the president asked me to come over this afternoon and talk with you.

There's a follow-up meeting this morning or something.

All right.

I mean, he's got to say that you told him to do it.

Yeah.

I don't think y'all can do it.

It's not an initiative.

Would you agree, Al?

Yes, sir.

All right.

You can say that I was the best person to do it.

Just say that I... We were just talking about it, and I think that...

It's vitally important that we keep, we have the same line here.

Okay, we've got to play this off the president, otherwise we'll be assuming that he's representing Hendrick and coming up with Hendrick's views, and I don't think that's, let it be mine, the way you want it to be, and I think you've got to say the president had me in to review the meetings this morning, and he wanted me to come over and review with you the political situation.

Why is she wearing a cross-sectional mask?

that I just felt that this is something we just ought to have them on ourselves.

But I think it's very important that we do that and let it go.

And she's liking it.

Huh?

I don't think it's going to work.

I mean, I think he was way off base this morning.

I don't think so.

I don't even want to think about it.

I don't think he agrees or not.

I just can't believe it.

You know what I'm saying?

I don't understand it.

Is that a what?

I don't know.

I think it's probably the light that I can see.

I don't know.

I spent hours on the phone yesterday thinking about it.

Wasn't the name of God.

He didn't have to prepare a speech.

He did his stuff, wrote things down.

He had jokes there.

I just don't, I think he's got another one.

I don't think he likes it very much.

I know he likes the trip, and I think he wants to piss on the Chinese, and he wants to... That's right.

And I think that he knows exactly what he's up to with this work.

He knows exactly what he's up to, and I think now he's just telling us that this is rumbus, and the press is evolving, and the leaders are talking, and whatever's done along this line, we just can't help it.

That's it.

We've got to take the same line.

All 900 pieces of Christ.

I know I've forgotten more about the communist system than you'll ever learn.

I know what about it.

I don't like the word of God.

But I don't underestimate it.

He does.

And it's got nothing to do with whether we like it or not.

It's probably one of the other things.

One is how we're trying to use it.

We're not using it because we like it.

Because we like the bio-media a whole lot better.

And it's very painful to us to have to use the bio-media.

But we have to keep our eye on the beginning.

Without this kind of treatment, we would have been dead.

And we'll be dead for much longer.

We'd be dead when they run.

Well, I don't like to give you a tough assignment, but I think maybe you're not as benefit-rich or not as tired as we are.

You know, I also have a perspective.

I've been watching his day-to-day, you know, as he's tripped through the boat, and I know what's the best concern.

And he has a background.

He has a background.

He can't run.

He will hit any faster than that.

That's right.

I wish you would do that, but I'm pretty sure you won't.

I just lay it right out there and say, no, this can't be the line.

The line has got to be very vulnerable, that their leaders are dedicated to start their system.

In fact, that we must not make it at all as any ambiguous comparison to Taiwan.

In fact, that will also raise the Taiwan issue.

The only thing that made your trip worthwhile is the public image that they are formidable.

Why the hell else would you spend seven days there?

You would get a great reception in Indonesia.

And if you spent seven days in Indonesia, everyone would say it's a junkyard.

The reason why it's not a junkyard in the public eye is because of the fascination with China.

China is a powerful country.

If we run down the Chinese, we're running you down.

Secondly, we're running down our diplomatic options.

That is the major thing.

He'll come on and say, well...

You're really underestimating the American people where you don't want to hear good things about these people.

You're not saying good things.

What you said yesterday was good with me.

You believe in your system.

They believe in their system.

You are not accepting their system.

You are saying that the deep nature depends on our understanding.

their motivation to put me on some sort of relationship.

That would not be true if they were some sort of African bush country, which is the way he calls them.

In terms of your situation, Ron, what I wanted to shut down, if there's any questions or raises, you know, I'm there on the porch.

You'll be on the floor tomorrow, so, you know, if you've got anything.

I know how it all felt after we got back from the trip.

But we'll all feel better in a couple, three days, maybe even a week.

More exhausted for me than the others, because I'm in the world for a second.

I had to go through a hell of a lot for the last two, three days, and God sent many, many of His tools and energy to work on it.

I had to do a balancing act, and when God sent me, God sent me.

I was miserable, but I wanted to be fun about it.

I just thought you were lucky, you know, my son should be with us.

He couldn't possibly sit with us.

Why?

I tried to speak to him, but Henry and I, we were waiting for a song to come on.

I said, hey, right, right, I know you're bothered.

I saw the goddamn briefing tape.

The band.

Oh, I was amazed we got it.

With the mere fact that we can say that it was...

The thing they gave us was, when I was there on October, what they gave us was the United States holds that there will be a peaceful settlement, and it will progressively reduce and finally withdraw all these bullets.

It will.

In other words, it's not conditioned on anything.

Then, when we got there, and I started talking to them, they took out

They would let us use billiards for hoax.

Then I said, we'd better have a discussion of what we do with this.

How are we going to bring this trip to a close?

And they started moving.

And then they were going to let us stay.

It is in our interest that there be a peaceful settlement.

That was an enormous concession for us because they knew this, that we have no right to have an interest.

Then on the last day of that Friday that I was at, uh, consistent with this prospect of, with this prospect in view, and that that she's committed, I spent a whole night getting in front of the body to take the prayer that she's committed.

Because that would enable the dachshunds to say, it's so lovely and wonderful.

They never, I mean...

I know.

Right.

We don't make it.

We all know we were right.

Yeah.

Now, I think you'd better let me just say that I, that I had a head that was just going slightly just between you and him.

Okay?

Besides, the body conservative is not really concerned.

There's some little unequivocally.

Yeah, but it's here in town, mainly, because they read the guy in Washington.

That's right, and that's going to come back down now.

Reagan has it all the other way, the editorial and everything else.

And Reagan wasn't quite safe in that book.

Yeah.

Walter saw the North Vietnamese today, and he said they were just drooling.

They were so friendly to him.

They wouldn't let him leave.

They kept him for an hour.

And of course, they accepted our day and time, and then we'd come and do this and this.

And, uh... One of us was busy on the trip.

We just got back to the, uh, the Paris family.

He got killed because of it.

No later than the beginning of the war.

And, uh, you know, the women of the old folks dressed in this dress, as soon as he got killed, showed up.

Um, everyone would say to this whining Eric that this last remaining little vestige of criticism should be communicated.

By that time, he was a killer.

Screw it.

Communicate is fine.

I don't think we should have much criticism.

I'm just concerned, but Al, I'm interested to know that you had exactly the same view that that was a horrifying performance as fun.

Oh, I sat there and I looked, I caught myself.

I was sick.

Sick.

I was dying.

There were just a host of things that I resented.

Knowing the facts.

Yeah, like they smoothed me in.

He had taken up the curtain at the beginning.

Yeah.

Well, you saw.

He had discussed such.

You had said you discussed principles which are not of the first.

He said, I have run such before.

How did we set that up?

We told Joe that he could.

Well, I discussed that.

I know, but, you know, he was a leg off that.

I think he must have been totally distorted.

And it wasn't an accident.

He just doesn't do things accidentally.

He doesn't have that important to nobody.

He's just a little bit of a dad.

Playing himself as a tough guy.

All for all the wrong reasons, which he's not.

He never has been.

It's incredible to me.

Because his life, he gets just purely

And then you're coming around.

Weren't you horrified at the start of the flight?

They're worried a little.

They're worried somewhat about the giant bomb.

So they're real reason they want to get along with us and get some technology.

It's just all sheer data.

You're a goddamned bot in technology.

Get along with us.

Right.

Well, anyway, I think it's interesting.

I think it's John who told me you began to have a passion for it.

It's so like I mean you in a sense.

It's as if it was not used and never heard from you.

But therefore, you managed to criticize us for domination.

I know he took the same mind that he takes with the Senate.

We're getting out.

Did you realize that?

We're doing like he tells us.

Bill, we're doing everything you want.

What's the matter?

So he was, in a way, my whole argument was we've got to stay in Japan or we can't.

We can't.

You know, I played it all tough.

I can't.

I can't even tell you.

Okay, well, uh, guys, and Henry will tell you, but, uh, let me go to the first stage.

I made a powerful plot for them.

And, uh, they wanted to do it.

They wanted to do it.

I'm not sure.

I know we can't.

I know we can't if we're not there.

If we're there, we can't.

I can't guarantee it.

We left that man there.

Don't stop.