{"conversationCode":"322-038","tapeNumber":322,"conversationNumber":38,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-322-038","startDateTime":"1972-03-09T19:39:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-03-09T19:40:00.000Z","startDate":"9-Mar-1972","startTime":"2:39 PM","endDate":"9-Mar-1972","endTime":"2:40 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Irwin, John N., II;","description":"On March 9, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and John N. Irwin, II met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:39 pm to 2:40 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 322-038 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 322-38\n\nDate: March 9, 1972\nTime: 2:39 pm - 2:40 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with John N. (“Jack”) Irwin, II.\n\n[See Conversation No. 21-38]","filename":["322-038.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:03:20","tapeEnd":"02:06:19","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Irwin, John N., II"],"prevCode":"322-037","nextCode":"322-039","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":6.7,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":8.98,"end":9.11,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":9.12,"end":9.45,"text":"Hi, how are you?"},{"start":9.46,"end":9.57,"text":"Fine."},{"start":9.59,"end":20.32,"text":"I just wanted you to know that, uh, I thought you'd handled, uh, a, uh, a statement, uh, that, uh, that you gave to the one that shot at the star."},{"start":20.34,"end":21.46,"text":"It was, uh, when I had you shot at the state department."},{"start":21.48,"end":22.23,"text":"I thought you handled it pretty well."},{"start":22.8,"end":42.68,"text":"What you said, it's a piece of, you know, this is part of the old game, and what it did was tell us, and now we do it now, and the whole idea of trying to devise it is quite out of the state department."},{"start":42.7,"end":45.03,"text":"The way he took it off in a very permanent way is the way he did it, and I think it's kind of a great skill."},{"start":45.05,"end":45.15,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":45.17,"end":45.37,"text":"It's okay."},{"start":45.39,"end":45.75,"text":"That's all I know."},{"start":47.01,"end":55.15,"text":"But they can always find, you know, a few grouses."},{"start":55.17,"end":62.72,"text":"Few grouses, and then they'll take, and also they make some of the, you know, they'll take one guy, and they'll take, and that's elaborated, and they gossip, and they go down to the bar, you know, I don't know."},{"start":62.74,"end":67.09,"text":"But I understand, but I really appreciate what you have."},{"start":67.11,"end":67.21,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon held a brief meeting with Deputy Secretary of State John N. Irwin, II to commend his handling of a recent public statement. Nixon praised Irwin’s professional conduct and ability to manage departmental criticism and internal gossip. The conversation served primarily as a brief expression of presidential support for Irwin's performance regarding sensitive State Department communications.","topics":["John N. Irwin II","State Department","Public relations","Internal administration","Presidential commendation"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T15:00:39.883Z"},"topicSlugs":["john-n-irwin-ii","state-department","public-relations","internal-administration","presidential-commendation"],"audioDurationSec":70,"audioFiles":[{"file":"322-038.mp3","bytes":2821015,"durationSec":70.39,"bitrate":320627,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:41.568Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/322-038.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/322-038","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/322/conversation-322-038","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}