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Nixon & Colson on Media Relations and Public Relations

Monday, March 13, 1972 · 6:29 PM–6:34 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.Conversation323-014 on Tape 323 (tape position 01:21:21–01:25:59)StartMonday, March 13, 1972 at 6:29 PMEndMonday, March 13, 1972 at 6:34 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 323-014 ↗

President Nixon and Charles Colson discuss strategies to discredit a recent media report, specifically targeting coverage by the Washington Star regarding the Grinnell divestiture case. The President expresses frustration with the article's framing and instructs Colson to pressure editorial staff and utilize subordinates like Ken Clawson to challenge the journalist's credibility. Additionally, the pair briefly touches upon the ongoing effort to use forensic typewriter analysis to undermine the document's authenticity.

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1:21:23Call some, please.
1:21:35I think you ought to get a hold of Slick Hempstone.
1:21:39You were pushing it very disturbingly.
1:21:43You don't have to do this, but I was shocked at the longer story.
1:21:53Oh my God.
1:21:53You might be bold, but for now, the company, the planning firm, is supposed to work together with you.
1:22:06You know what I'm talking about?
1:22:11Yeah, now, yeah, but my point is, Grinnell was the best, you know the point?
1:22:17They say this, but I don't even remember.
1:22:21It was Grinnell.
1:22:22Grinnell.
1:22:22Zipper's got all this stuff.
1:22:25But the point is, the star, the star, really ought to editorialize it.
1:22:31They were sorry we did this.
1:22:32Now, goddamn, they are lending themselves to this fellow Walters, a vicious bastard, all the truth.
1:22:41And, well, we must not let them get away with this.
1:22:46You see, the firm that Dylan Reed represented, Grinnell, Grinnell was one of the outfits that were divested by IG&T.
1:22:58So if they were divested, they lost.
1:23:01But why in the good health didn't he point it out in the first paragraph, rather than going through reams and reams for the effect of planting in years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years and
1:23:29And where he says independent, puts in quotes.
1:23:33Well, now, it's a terrible thing, because you've got to read down.
1:23:36Grinnell was divested.
1:23:39They lost the case.
1:23:41Now, goddammit, heaven.
1:23:43I mean, is there anybody you can call?
1:23:47Call him and say, now, this is a hell of a thing.
1:23:49What's the matter with the star?
1:23:50Now, I gave Crosby noisily.
1:23:53But now, discredit him right away.
1:24:02You get cross with yourself.
1:24:10But tonight, say that we're shocked by it, we couldn't understand it.
1:24:18Did they know that Grinnell had been arrested?
1:24:21And have Clawson call this son of a bitch and say, what the hell is the matter with you?
1:24:30They lost the case.
1:24:32That's right.
1:24:36Well, I know.
1:24:44You're doing all right.
1:24:46Just keep at it.
1:24:48Did you get them?
1:24:48Did you get them?
1:24:50Have you got the typewriter experts and they're working on it, or are they struck out?
1:24:54They probably haven't thought about it.
1:25:01But it may be, it may be that this is one of those things where it can't be done.
1:25:06But if it's any kind of a typewriter, other than one with a new kind of wheel in it, there's no way that you can avoid it.
1:25:14No way.
1:25:15And I'll bet they didn't have one of those little ones in their office, you know.
1:25:22That's right.
1:25:22But that I know you can pretend.
1:25:25I know you can pretend.
1:25:35That'll really blow them right out of the water.
1:25:37We've just got the country somewhere yet.
1:25:40God damn it.
1:25:41They should write an editorial apologizing for that damn thing that they've done.
1:25:49Yeah.
1:25:49Okay.

On March 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 6:29 pm to 6:34 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 323-014 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 323-14

Date: March 13, 1972
Time: 6:29 pm - 6:34 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President talked with Charles W. Colson.

[See Conversation No. 21-62]
  • 021-061 6:28 PM · 7 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at 6:28 pm.
  • 323-013 6:28 PM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at 6:28 pm.
  • 021-062 6:29 PM · 5 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone from 6:29 pm to 6:34 pm.
  • 323-015 6:34 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 6:34 pm and 8:09 pm.
  • 323-016 6:34 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 6:34 pm and 8:09 pm.
  • 323-017 6:34 PM · 5 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 6:34 pm and 8:09 pm.
  • 323-018 6:34 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 6:34 pm and 8:09 pm.
  • 323-019 6:34 PM · 5 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 6:34 pm and 8:09 pm.

Conversation 323-014, March 13, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/323-014 (accessed October 3, 2026).