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I don't think they think that they basically intend to do it.

With Truman, they thought that he and people close to him were correct.

They're on the take.

And with Eisenhower, they thought that Sean Adams shouldn't have taken that goddamn coat.

It's simple.

But in this case, I don't think they think I'm on the take.

I'm sure that's the difference.

You think I'm on the take.

I think they think it well.

Those who think it good, they think it well convention.

It's not worth doing something that well.

You know, so what?

Now, that's not to our advantage for them to even think that, but it's not a real negative.

I think we have to be very cautious.

Whatever we do, we keep this away from the White House.

We don't take steps, we don't take action that will bring it into the White House.

And I think we just have to be

He was very cautious about it.

He said, you're a man.

I think he was.

He was a good boy, wasn't he?

He said he was a good man.

Which was not related to writing.

Well, in a way it was.

He hired a consultant.

He was a good man.

Okay, sir.

Double clear at the other end, please.

Ron makes the question.

It is very important.

By the way, I'm pushing right.

Closer than I can.

Ron makes the question.

The black is on it.

The problem I have to learn about now is this picture Colson's all excited about.

He appeared in as the Anderson secretary.

He's got a party, a farewell party for some leader called Sheridan Croft, which he got Marlon Cook to wave around yesterday and it ran in the paper, but unfortunately also in the paper it says that

Overly excited, as he thought he'd be able to cut some of those things out.

And that picture is where the gun man came from.

So, here's Jada Beard here, and old Goodkin, or whatever her name is, is over here.

And so they were both in the same picture a lot, and lots of pictures that people had never seen before, and will never see again.

And unfortunately, the waiter, who was retiring from the party, had said he had never seen the two of them together, except for that party.

Chuck was trying to get over with the two of our drinking buddies who went there together all the time.

He says that that's true.

He says that the way they had fought off him.

And also the doorman, because they had talked to the doorman, he had said the day before that, yeah, they had poured him into the car, time after time, together drunk.

And two days ago now, he was swearing under oath that he had never seen the two of them together, but they were both frequent visitors to different places at the time.

It says that they're all under, because Janine's trying to cover up her beard, because there's more involved in the beard than you see on it.

I think it was the other person.

That's not who you have.

You know, you get wall run and all that crap, and it really is kind of useless stuff.

Well, what we ought to do is to get somebody else in, and our own people.

I personally think we should let Lomovich go.

I'm getting tired.

Well, it's, no, Chuck's very optimistic.

He's absolutely convinced that the memo is fake.

Well, I am too.

And this is Taito, or Mr. Becker.

His wife works with him.

I did have it.

Yeah.

She's working on it too.

And she apparently is prepared to testify that...

Here's his claim.

First of all, we've got a bad break because the Senate leadership won't vote again.

So there isn't going to be a need to hear anything else.

No, because the Senate leadership won't be sure and there won't be a vote.

All right.

So we're pursuing this one statement move now.

The plan was that on Tuesday, the IT&T lawyers were going to have a press conference on it.

First, they were going to present the deposition of Dita's secretary, who will say that this is not the memo that she typed.

She had typed one back in June, but this wasn't it.

The memo she typed had no reference to the case.

Secondly, they would present Mrs. Teitel, who would say at the press conference, as a typewriter expert, that the memo was not tightened.

The ribbon with which the memo was tightened didn't exist at IT&T until November.

They didn't have any of that kind of ribbon.

All the way, that memo could have been tightened there, on that typewriter in June.

was if someone had put a roller ribbon on the tight end, no one had taken it off, there was nothing else you could have typed on that ribbon, on the typewriter, until after November.

In November, they did start using that type of ribbon, and it was on that typewriter, and somewhere between November and February, it could have been typed, and February's ribbon was a new change.

So she's tracked all that down.

Therefore, he said his one is that lowest end.

Then,

The best thing he's got is this typewriter.

He can prove that.

That would be much better than some drug war.

On Wednesday, the committee, the only reason the Republicans will say they are going forward with the hearing of the president is really a thought.

The demand for funding should be confirmed, and the committee should be investigated again.

That's the whole scenario.

The draft of the speech from the vice president is not out yet.

We've got some good stuff on the road.

And they should wait until the MLB will turn around and see what happens.

They should go ahead and get the speech ready.

Don't have him go until we see what happens.

That's right.

You don't want to get him out of something that doesn't gel.

That's right.

So that's where that is.

Good.

But it runs.

Even though it was on a subject that probably 75% really didn't have any interest.

I really think that's true.

They don't have an overriding interest.

I think they have a latent interest.

Because when you ask them, they have an opinion.

You don't get any no opinion on us high students.

When you ask a question, there's virtually no no opinion.

Well, but you like it from the standpoint of basically the China trip, in a sense.

I like it from the standpoint of the picture.

I like seeing you sitting in the Oval Office buying the presidential seal reading of a carefully prepared, well-thought-out statement.

As contrasted to all these other people sticking around about, you know, voting for what?

Being on dollars on the beach.

Just for no other reason than that.

Just to get you on television in that same setting, which is much better than getting you on in any other setting.

Any stage.

Better than a TV or something like that.

Not better than a press conference.

No, better than a press conference.

I think it is, too.

It is better than the press conference for this point I'm talking about.

The press conference is a business to this day.

But you can do the press conference and hold the interest in it and score a different kind of money out of that.

The vocal office speech would be a disaster if you did it once.

Yeah.

I think you can do about four or five a year.

Yeah.

I also was watching it for the reading, but I had just a thousand percent convinced that it was right to spread it on teleprompter.

For anything that's over about a minute.

On a one minute thing, where if you want to look into the camera, I think the teleprompter's fine.

I think if you go to the gun back, it's great.

I said, there's something about the paper in here.

You make a statement like that, I think it looks more responsible for what you're doing.

The Canon price of the Canon crowd and the Colson crowd seems good.

The solid editorial column stuff should be fit out in some way without being too many on the front line.

The double standard with regard to congressional hearings doesn't look the same as that.

During the Cape time that I was in this position, according to the Federal Security Commission,

I told him, I always told him, I said, I want you to go back and have somebody find out what they're doing about it.

And I want to know if any, any person has raised a question about the rules and procedures and followed those, and then he can't return them.

All right, fine.

Now, isn't it time for somebody to start to pound it up on his hind legs and hit the press for the devil's standard?

Later, he's all over the place.

Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Friday, Saturday.

There's no editorials at all.

It's critical for the judiciary to take that into consideration.

Well, for the rules of procedure, no.

Well, anyway, what you do, you just throw that into the hopper to look for it.

For Christ's sake, get somebody to write that.

But go back.

The way to prove the case, and the period from 1947 to 89, you will see, and also Carson McCarthy here, and

If the maids are attacked or failing, you know, to follow proper and fair rules and procedures, you know, we ought to hit them.

We ought to be hitting them.

The double standard.

I also would like for that to be sent to see through the pressure out here.

I would like to find a hit, you know, in terms of

was his procedure correct, or the attorney, or the attorney general, or a businessman.

Huh?

But?

But someone who was charged with domino effect in each case.

We're charged wrong with in each case, you know.

Then Christ, the whole left wing, goes on another.

Goddamn, these sons of bitches have a double standard now.

They have a double standard.

Well, it's one of my pet peeves.

70 years.

But I wish that we'd get Buchanan or somebody to get two or three guys to work on it in different ways.

Maybe somebody to write a paper on it, make sure I was written on it, and so forth.

That whole standard would be great.

Ok, keep it open.

I don't care if the staff people go out.

I agree with that.

I agree with that, except that at some point someone's going to look up and say, what the hell is happening?

Are they disputing?

Are they torturing?

And understand, I don't mind discontinuing the press conferences, and I don't mind discontinuing the briefings, and so forth.

Because that would entrain them, and that would not be their idea.

Having these two, and we have close proximity, instead of establishing them, I don't want to go on and on.

I don't want to go on and on.

Wow!

...like Waller and Taylor, and a lot of that.

Ah, yeah.

I'm pretty sure it's...

It has to be.

So, there's one thing I'm going to stop at there.

It was apparently in the early 80s, and it was kind of a real loser.

And what we're chasing today, that is the word of honor.

I don't know how you chose to call it that.

I do a lot of speaking, I do a lot of this, but not in a political, no partisan forum, no partisan forum, but he said that's been his position with the fundraising people all over after two years of law.

And he said, I don't want it in any way, I think I'm jerking, and that's what the president wants me to do, and I'll do anything he wants, but I just want to clarify my instructions.

I always said, I was sure he was right, I'm bad with you and cannot be part of the matter that you're in charge of.

I don't know what he feels at this time.

You can't feel him.

Just say that's the tradition.

Rocking shows you what you should be doing.

In fact, he can do us more good than the other men, because he can get those other women.

He's exactly right.

He's got to be talking to the Lord.

for an obvious reason, that I don't look forward to believing in her words.

That's obvious.

But then he's having a very good deal on her husband, because she writes good stuff about him.

And the Austrian ambassador.

Okay, for the life of the period, that combination.

Unless Kelly's set out a thing where they have one press person, one congressional person, one diplomatic person, and one staff person.

Okay.

Yeah, I'm sure that's it.

That's where he returned from.

Yeah.

And the Austrian ambassador, the nice guy.

Yeah.

He used to be a bachelor ambassador before, but he's my very best and good guy.

He really is.

Yeah, so that way, he used to tell them I remember him, and I was there, and he said, so you find me, and so forth, and I was caught, and it was fun, and it was a good sense of feeling.

Weird.

I think he simmered down quite a bit on the other end.

I think he was a little embarrassed by it.

Whatever it was, it's done now.

Sure.

The other thing is...

I don't know how much work I've had to do for this, but nothing else.

It wasn't just that, it was me trying to recognize through the whole doctor, over the whole price track.

And the speech was put up.

Well, the company's problem, I don't know, those people were trying to do the right thing.

They were wrong.

Yeah.

They should have come back, but the problem they have, if I talk to Stein, Stein, you know, there's no more loyalty.

More loyalty.

This is a guy who's going to bust his ass to do what?

They can't reach the doctor, right?

He says, I'll say nothing, or say any line that I'm told is going to be helpful.

But it's very difficult for me to say nothing, because I'm in a position where I can and will, if I'm told to say nothing, but it's hard for me.

And it would seem to me that if I know what he wants, then I can say it effectively.

You're absolutely right.

And Gottlieb's turned it off.

See, they used to have the Volker Group, the benefits of secretary level, that everybody get in the line.

He's stopped the meetings of the Volker Group now.

So those guys don't know.

I think it's Volker who's done it.

I think so too.

See, I think Gottlieb...

I think the White House gets blamed and the staff and all that for things that don't happen.

I think Connie gets blamed to our people for things that he doesn't do.

I think it's because of Volker and Walker.

I think both Volker and Walker are fighting their own game.

I would do it.

It's weird.

I think a lot of people do that.

Connie's got to stay in the middle of that as Connie's got.

She is doing the best she can.

Yeah, I know.

It's pretty funny, man.

So, you know, you're working to control the others, but he's got to work with you right behind you to try and give a better understanding of the confidence that you're trying to get out of it.

So, Bob, I'm afraid.

Follow, so follow.

Yeah, I'm going to have to rely on you.

Yes, follow me.

I'm very sensitive.

I'll be there for a while.

Part of the deal, you get a guy that's a real star, that way, you know, he's quite, you know, he's got a short feet, he's really fast, he does have a short feet, it's really hard, and then, the first one that comes off of him, he's got a lot of shit, he's good,

It's about 70 passengers in that group, and so it's all good.

It's a big thing to do, at least to announce it around the chairs if you want to.

It's a little... And I think somebody, I'm sure it's not a way to say you're downgraded and stayed in front.

Go ahead.

And then they've asked if you reconsidered.

And this is what was brought in first on the end there.

He's been asking, on the basis that he's carrying a message from just asking, and he is going to do that.

Greg, they're asking if they can see Stenister, and I'm sure, and I'm worried about it, but I'm sure he'll be able to do it.

He's got a gun, and I'm sure he's got a gun.

We've got to determine, Bob, about the president, actually.

And I'd, uh, God damn if I know, we can't, can't continue to delay it, because it is, like, 15 minutes.

Do you want to do it?

Do you plan to do it?

I don't want to.

I don't want, let me say this, I don't want to go through the business of not doing it.

It's just too much work.

I would argue yes, but I think we are decided on Monday.

Well, another thing you could do, having to get on television.

What do you think?

We're still in trouble.

I think maybe that's the point, is

prepare for it.

But the idea is going either way depending on our evaluation on Wednesday, and what our situation is, and what we want, what do we want in our parliament, which does us the most good.

But do it one way or the other.

Yeah, I think we ought to do it.

Now, here's what I would answer on the ITMP.

My view about that is to say that I'm a nice, and I follow the charity.

I mean, I think that is the role of the charity.

And first of all, I have nothing to say about it.

I believe he should be confirmed.

I believe he will be confirmed.

And I have nothing more to say until the Senate approves this hearing.

I think that's a pretty good answer.

On the other hand, I don't want to do that on national television.

You see, that's the point.

In the office, I think it's fine, but on national television, you know, they're a badger and say, well, now I'm going to speak out on this, and what about this, and that.

You see my point?

Why don't we try it?

Why don't we plan an in-office press conference?

You say you wouldn't.

Do you understand?

Having just been on television, I'm mad on prime time, and I'm not sure that this is something we want to be on right again.

I feel that I should be on this press conference under our belt.

And I'm inclined to do it sooner, too, rather than later.

Let's do it in office.

Do it Thursday and free.

You know, brief answers.

But on the IAPT vaccine, I sure agree.

I wouldn't say another damn thing.

I'm not going to comment on a few of your testimonies in the chat.

I'm just going to try to use them.

Maybe when the rest of them are safe.

It's been a dozen rounds, and I'm just going to wait until I know it.

What about the bussing?

I don't know.

I'm probably going to put a few questions on that.

I don't think it's good to go out and do it for the cameras.

But I would radio it this time.

See?

Cut the thing.

I would cut it.

We're going to find out whether or not you can cut it and deliver it to the radio producer or whether they have to cover it.

Well, we can do it as I understand it.

The one thing they say you need to do is this little mic.

You need a little mic on you because you get a very tinny sound if you try to cut it with an iPod.

They just hang it on your neck like that.

I can say we're recording this, gentlemen.

I mean, not for you.

I don't like that.

They have to get the press.

All right, fine.

If they can do that, then that ain't nothing to me.

They won't answer you.

They'll pick you up and put a mic on you.

Put a mic on me.

They know we recorded it anyway, so people can see it.

They'll see it out here downstairs.

Let's do that.

And we have a combination.

We've had a press conference.

We've had it on radio.

And then we might decide to go over to like 50-40 minutes.

Every week?

Yeah.

And every two weeks later we'll do it.

Yeah.

Pretty good time.

I anticipate we'll be having our press conference scheduled to be on television at this time next week.

That would be two weeks later.

Yeah.

And that would be three weeks before the possible week in California when you might be going out of there.

And that would be the last time.

Yeah, right.

I'm going to do a lot of training before I go to California.

Never do that.

Do you want to do a Chief Justice dinner?

No.

Not at all?

No, nothing of that sort.

What do you want to do on the next evening?

Hold on a second.

I think we should move it and save it for later.

Don't put it in the safe, by all means.

You know, despite these guys, you know, some of the hard right is whining about it, but they'll be with it, I think, when they see the left take us on.

What do you think?

I think some.

Some have got to stop the train there.

They've got to be further to the right.

But the way most of them have done it is the way Georgia took it on.

By saying that it, by saying that it, by saying that it, by saying that it, by saying that it, by saying that it, by saying that it, by saying that it, by saying that it, by saying that it, by saying that it, by saying that it,

And you got that clean sweep in five years.

Also, I've said that this doesn't work in this country.

They can't make money because they don't have anything that's going to do any more for them in this world.

None of them have anything that will do something now, anything at all, man.

Now, this is as far away as we can go with the moratorium.

It's just the power edges of constitutionality in my opinion.

Some of them think it's as far as it is, you know, the constitution that I want.

I never know.

The court might throw that out.

I think we're out of power.

I'd love to have some of these southerners like them and the rest not be for this.

Don't you agree?

It looks, from what they're saying,

It looks as if what they're doing is saying for the record.

But they're not saying they're against this argument.

They're wording it in such a way as not to knock what they've got, but simply to be recorded as wanting more.

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Early on it was very good at picking them out.

It was a hard thing.

You know, he was doing a superb job as an advanced man back in the early days.

I know he was going around, going into town and dirt.

This guy seems to be doing a lot of the dirty work, playing his games, but he can't do a good job.

He's just so smart, so smart.

He's got a round of knowledge.

He knows what he can do, and what he can't.

Right now.

We just got a thing down in Florida.

We've got all over the state counties around.

It's not the same support for busting cold musketeers.

They can have it.

But also, it's not going to be that one of those cold, maylock-soul-managers.

It's going to be huge.

Massive.

Whether it's busting, whether it's putting musketeers in, that would die.

It would die.

Thank you for watching!

What are you doing here?

In the back, in the back.

Oh, I didn't see you.

I didn't call.

I didn't know.

I hate the way they ever do one in the office, but I was the one that said never again.

But I think we've got to have one, that's my point.

And if we've got to have one, I don't believe that I want to be on television giving that kind of an answer.

I think it's possible the way you might want to be on it.

It won't cost.

It won't cost that much, but I'm not sure.

Hi, John.

I think that the way that I try to respond to what I'm getting at is, I don't mind not suggesting that in my view, I would say that

What they're doing, they're very clever.

They say, well, we buy this, but we ought to go further.

But you see, I think the way you think, the way you think about it,

...trying to get in front of them, but they didn't do it.

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I strongly urge him to hold for another 20 minutes.

We did a hell of a lot of intervention.

What do you think of that?

Can he intervene incidentally in those main stations?

That could mean an awful lot to us for other reasons.

No we're gonna find them.

The reason that they've been able to raise us is because they're getting screwed versus an architecture that they've already been screwed.

This doesn't screw them any worse.

This sets up a chance for them to get better.

But it doesn't get them in their right mind.

It keeps getting any worse.

It's all those cases that have to reveal.

Not being there for it.

You get a sense, you see, that there's more of us in the country than flies.

Flies almost.

It's an hour and a half.

I guess it's like...

It's always when you have a kid.

It's when you have a kid.

It's when you take him out of the school.

It's when you have a kid.

Or it's a...

There are quite a few cases in the show.

They don't do a lot of questioning.

It's a really average job.

It's before we look at it for a little bit.

Right away.

How is it going?

Do you think it's true?

I think it's true.

I don't know enough about it to know about it.