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Conversation 323-012

TapeTape 323StartMonday, March 13, 1972 at 6:22 PMEndMonday, March 13, 1972 at 6:28 PMTape start time01:17:09Tape end time01:21:09ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Ziegler, Ronald L.Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building
AI Summary

President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler discuss media coverage and political strategy, specifically regarding allegations of conflict of interest involving John Flanagan and the firm Dillon Reed. Nixon expresses frustration over the perceived reach of these accusations and questions the motivations behind the negative press coverage. The conversation concludes with the President instructing Ziegler to monitor these narratives closely and respond firmly to any further public criticism.

Media relationsJohn FlanaganDillon ReedPolitical strategyConflict of interest
AudioNARA Description

On March 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 6:22 pm to 6:28 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 323-012 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 323-12

Date: March 13, 1972
Time: 6:22 pm - 6:28 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.

[See Conversation No. 21-60]
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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I don't have any contest with anybody.
Why should I do it in Florida?
I'm not contesting with anybody.
It's not an issue with me.
Right.
I just didn't get a question.
And as I get, I call across the night, you know, and I gave them a nice look of what really matters.
It's a nice little story.
Well, it's a big story.
There aren't any of those countries that might be blue for a while.
How about ID&T?
Would you get on that today?
I know that story.
I follow the water and the stars.
I read it, you know, Hell on the Rise.
The way John Flanagan's terrible, they tell you to read it.
John Flanagan was with Dillon Reed.
So Dillon Reed's out of all the big companies.
He left it.
He took the right off.
So does that make him guilty of something?
Like if I was with a law firm, I may think about it, but they have a firm for four years.
Does that make me guilty of something because they have a case?
You know what I mean?
It's really pretty, pretty, reaches pretty far.
Well, they divest themselves, you know, why does he say that?
Not in the first page.
Well, they divest themselves right now.
And here, Walker really reached there.
I don't know.
What are they all squealing about?
They're saying nothing.
If they squeal, I can be absolutely ragged until they go far enough.
Okay.
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