{"conversationCode":"324-009","tapeNumber":324,"conversationNumber":9,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-324-009","startDateTime":"1972-03-20T22:15:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-03-20T22:21:00.000Z","startDate":"20-Mar-1972","startTime":"5:15 PM","endDate":"20-Mar-1972","endTime":"5:21 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On March 20, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 5:15 pm and 5:21 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 324-009 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 324-9\n\nDate: March 20, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 5:15 pm and 5:21 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with an unknown person.\n\n     Drugs\n          -The President’s view\n               -Public opinion\n               -Marijuana\n          -Unknown man","filename":["324-009.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:30:32","tapeEnd":"00:32:45","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"324-008","nextCode":"324-010","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":15.78,"text":"Well, I hope that I don't disappoint you by being so hard on you this night."},{"start":15.8,"end":17.02,"text":"You know, I guess it's a matter of personal conviction."},{"start":17.04,"end":18.6,"text":"Later, you know what I mean."},{"start":18.62,"end":23.19,"text":"It isn't a moralistic annoyance, but I just have a feeling that the country ever, ever,"},{"start":23.96,"end":37.62,"text":"You know, in any kind of activity like this, if it ever relaxes and says, well, we can't deal with it, you're on the way down."},{"start":37.64,"end":44.09,"text":"And that's what really the other thing is."},{"start":44.11,"end":44.67,"text":"And that includes marijuana."},{"start":44.69,"end":44.99,"text":"But you'll see."},{"start":45.01,"end":45.15,"text":"I will."},{"start":45.17,"end":45.43,"text":"Yeah, I will."},{"start":59.47,"end":67.66,"text":"All right."},{"start":70.1,"end":76.33,"text":"What call was this?"},{"start":76.35,"end":77.17,"text":"You know him?"},{"start":77.78,"end":77.95,"text":"He's not."},{"start":77.97,"end":78.16,"text":"He isn't."},{"start":78.17,"end":78.6,"text":"When did you get him?"},{"start":78.62,"end":78.88,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":78.9,"end":80.16,"text":"I asked, and I thought it was a different man."},{"start":80.18,"end":80.28,"text":"Okay."},{"start":80.3,"end":83.22,"text":"Well, why don't you give him your best advice of what you have in mind?"},{"start":83.24,"end":83.34,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":83.36,"end":83.46,"text":"Yeah."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with an unknown individual to discuss his firm stance on national drug policy, emphasizing that public tolerance of illegal substances like marijuana signals societal decline. Nixon framed this hardline approach as a matter of personal conviction rather than mere moralizing. The conversation also briefly touched upon administrative personnel matters regarding an unidentified man's advisory role.","topics":["Drug Policy","Marijuana","Public Opinion","National Morality","Personnel"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T15:06:39.154Z"},"topicSlugs":["drug-policy","marijuana","public-opinion","national-morality","personnel"],"audioDurationSec":89,"audioFiles":[{"file":"324-009.mp3","bytes":3551399,"durationSec":88.64,"bitrate":320518,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:41.568Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/324-009.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/324-009","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/324/conversation-324-009","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}