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So, anything new on the typewriter?

There's something you can't use it.

It's pretty hard to remove, except that it looks like it is.

Gas, the last gas for the Saturday post-match report.

It hurts me, I guess.

Yeah, I see.

Yeah.

I got that.

I just can't.

Well, anyway.

The Bureau's sometimes normally weren't too damn hopeful in the distance.

I made a door for me outside.

She had never been in a public conversation.

No way.

The Bureau's going to stay up.

Yeah.

That's why they could.

Too bad you haven't done some hard evidence as well.

Let them fight it out, okay?

All right.

How you doing?

All right.

One way you might get a break from some other very few other people.

When did their hearing start?

Right into that line.

No more hearing until they go again.

That's right.

Let them go out on their own.

Good.

Well, okay.

Bye.

Chuck talked to her earlier about the FBI.

I talked to her.

I talked to Mitchell.

Unequivocal, you know, an equivocal, totally equivocal attitude that you cannot control.

That's all.

I told you.

Yeah.

There's a question in my mind about it.

There's something through with it that I...

I'll tell you, the more I get into this, you know, instead of pursuing this thing you were concerned about, I'm not going to screw it.

I'm convinced that this is the snake in the woodpile.

Every line that you start, at least potentially, it's only circumstantial, but it's all on the back of the weasel.

How the hell did he get mad?

What made him mad?

I'm not sure.

That's the thing.

I can't quite figure it out.

I'm not sure he's even mad.

I'm not sure he's just...

I mean, he's trying to get somebody, but I can't figure out who, right?

I don't... Do you have a fight with Kambach?

I don't think so.

I don't.

They had a...

They had a, uh... A recent one with Kambach when they started pumping on where that money came from in 70 or something like that.

Kambach's out.

Maybe that was the fight.

But I haven't seen him with Kambach this year.

But he's with our AT&T.

No.

He's with his own consulting firm he just retained by the end of the year.

He has a private firm in the middle of the park.

Well, he ought to buy them.

I'm sure they'll retain him damn well tomorrow.

He's doing some freelance writing for Kevin Phillips.

He writes for Kevin Phillips.

He writes about campaign financing for Kevin Phillips.

He writes about all that health fund.

But who was he working for?

Stans, or?

He was working for Stans.

And then he was working at the White House.

He worked for him.

Why don't you ask him?

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Well, he knows all that.

You've got a lot worse things coming, haven't you?

Not really.

Why?

Well, because it wasn't my fault.

A lot of it's already gone.

That's an old story.

I see he got partly injured already because they started zeroing in on some of the candidates.

And they said it came from racing.

And that's one of the reasons.

Combat told me to keep quiet.

And they said, you're sending them on a vacation.

The other tip-off, I look back and read the story.

The other tip-off to Gleason, and it is in the next sentence, it says,

And I've heard that Watson should remind them of their loyalty to the Republican Party from that time.

And they said, also, he and White House aide Bob Mullen collected $3 million for the congressional campaign, senatorial candidates in 1970.

And, well, he's the only one that knew where I live in that country.

You were caught.

I didn't collect the nickel.

I don't know where any of it came from, but I was dispersing.

Remember, we finally, because we had Murray and Rumsfeld, Finch, all those people, and we finally zeroed it down.

We made up a list.

Dispersements were made only on my instructions, so we had a single focal point of control.

Did you ever have an argument with the police?

No.

I don't think so.

And he's, nothing has ever come out of this except for my name appearing on something like that.

But he's never made me directly.

And I don't think we ever had any sub-two at all.

And why not?

Because I have a feeling now that Colson has this.

I think he did have some friends from Colson.

I'm trying to get some of that money for, you know, his own purposes.

I think that's what he said to the police.

And then he got cross-wise on.

Colson was going to, Bob Colson was going to Mulcahy for money separately from him.

Mulcahy got upset.

Mulcahy understands.

That's what he said to the police.

All those guys, they're the only ones.

That was all my deal with them.

There was nothing wrong with them.

They were reported, particularly when we get some of them not reported.

According to the candidates, they reported them.

If you've been in their state, they promised they all were going to be able to report them.

That isn't our problem.

That's their... We got into the problem because they started this research out.

They started checking and discovered that Clubby and Burke and all these different guys got...

We've got money from this thing.

Okay.

But the little committee, well, I've never shown you.

Okay.

They hear the committees, and the committees give it to the candidates.

It's the same fact.

The other story tomorrow is on the CIA's activities, trying to beat up Yandex and IT&T and other companies.

Why wouldn't IT&T do their best to keep this under control?

I think they will.

And save their best for them to control them.

It's not in the interest of an international company.

He's aware that there are less, there are more sensitive people that can't take it, you know.

You know, it's out there.

If you know Jackson won't put out his list, I'll keep us on a big list.

I'm thinking, or unless I want to, because the CPI was coming out Wednesday night, and it's coming out Thursday.

I'm going to get rid of that thousand for this week.

I'm going to get rid of it.

We're better than the rest of them.

Bring in that Friday night.

I'll say that I've been to Omaha a couple of days.

I'll tell them that we prefer that in the standpoint of making our story.

And I'll say it in my press conference this morning, this Monday, and I'll report it Friday.

And we'll get Friday clear, and then we'll try to do it Tuesday, Thursday, and then I'll do it over the past few days.

It would be hard to agree on Thursday, I can't.

So you go to Keen Escape,

I'd already thought of that.

I can go Friday and stay Monday, but I can't do that.

We got that before the time he said it, he wasn't looking for it.

I know that.

I'm wondering.

Mr. President, I'd be great if you won't do it.

If I ordered, just burst out laughing, and he said, I have a writing, the President's own handwriting, and I don't have to go.

I said, and then he laughed, and he said, if the President orders you to go, I'll do it.

He said exactly what I needed to do.

He tried to explain.

Yeah.

He said, let me.

He said, I will do it.

I just would like to express my view and ask you to go back.

He doesn't think either should do it.

He thinks it's a loser.

We make a mistake by playing soft with those people.

We have no friends there.

We should be tough with them rather than toward them.

He says, if

Both of you don't go.

He thinks he should make a statement saying that the reason you're not going has nothing to do with when it's lit.

The reason he's not going has nothing to do with all the fuss going on just because he's not able to tell us.

What does that mean?

You're always talking to the host.

The other way.

The administration has to say, I want to let you know first.

I want to let you know everything.

Although it only looks bad, there was a couple hundred feet on it.

Fifteen hundred feet.

Five.

Is that all of it?

Boy, it's a big stacker.

I always have to look at it.

That's right.

I just didn't think it was going to end up like that.

I don't know.

Who's the idea?

I don't know.

Well, I said, I put it directly to him.

I said, okay.

Good.

I cited the argument, I said Dick Wilson is another of the people of our, on our side of the friends.

He's a friend of yours.

No, I didn't make that point.

I was talking about Dick Wilson.

And they thought that we were selling out to the radicals, and they thought we were selling out to the radicals by natural means.

But this year, the opposition to the Red Irish and the radicals left, and they said we should back down under their storm, which is what we were doing.

And that it's undercutting, in a sense, the guys like the Dave Wilsons and Jerry Greens, and people like that, who really are our friends.

Russell O'Donnell, Terry Russell O'Donnell, and Edgar Allan Poe, and people like that.

So I said, given that argument, the president wasn't planning to go, and you weren't planning to go.

The question really was whether you should.

And I said, if the decision is that one of you does have to go, do you feel it's better for you to go or for the president to go?

He said, I think it's a loser either way.

He couldn't bring himself to say, you should do it.

I don't know.

And then he came back to me and he said, I do have this California thing, but I can't do that.

I don't know.

I think it's the best client for the people that are punching him.

He's leaving or doesn't think he should go?

What do you think about that?

I think he would be swayed by the Dick Wilson argument that if you don't go at it, someone should.

Because everybody doesn't think I should go.

He really doesn't.

Carl.

All we have is a life story, his response to that one.

Because that's not the White House justice.

I'm telling you, the White House

only has hit the point of your preference of inventing stuff, right?

Because, you know, the list of your guys is really long.

Now, we should never have gone to San Diego.

I had a hunch that it would go a long way, so I didn't really want to assist, but I'm wondering if it's going to go there.

What are you talking about?

You know, you had to be a gentleman that got back to your contribution.

That's the whole framework.

That's the key thing.

A $2,000 case for a $100,000 contribution to the state of San Diego.

That's the thing.

So Russell Long said the other night, he says there is no center on that grade.

There hasn't even an iBuda of the thought that there is any connection between that convention contribution and the ITT study.

That includes Kennedy, Tunney, and Biden.

I don't know.

Yes, sir.

They asked one question on the President feels when people are trafficking drugs and destroying lives, the issue will be maximum death.

That's what he, I don't know, that's what he said about the .

And then he reported on the .

The only thing I've got on life is, I guess you won't have a comment on life.

They kind of like, you know, expect it won't be done on us.

But they actually think it's a good story.

The last president.

He doesn't want to go.

He doesn't want to be there unless she's going to be there when he gets back.

He feels very strongly about it.

He will go if I order him to question if she doesn't want to go.

I just have a view that, listen, every woman, virtually every woman in the world, they have a view of it.

put their name on that petition.

And I'm sure they're aware of that.

What does the petition do?

Don't tell us.

Please don't tell us.

Don't go.

No, no, no, no, no.

It isn't directed at the president.

It's directed at a person who would be invited.

And he invited me.

Well, that means maybe

All they might need is to wipe out the gridiron on the ground that discriminates against women.

That's the sentiment I would have.

I wouldn't be here to do the gridiron, which I do, but I would be willing to do it.

I think I will.

I said I wasn't going to go to any of those things.

I would.

I'm sure you would go.

Absolutely.

It's a devil.

Call Rogers.

The vice president.

It's an unfathomable date in California.

They do go.

Or what the hell is he going to do?

Should the president change his mind and go somewhere?

He's got very little PR to do.

Okay.

Change it back to one.

very hard line on this drug thing.

We're not going to go for marijuana.

We're not going to go for the given heroin and all that sort of thing.

That's not a fact I didn't hear.

I was asked about heroin.

I said, no, it's disgusting.

I said, Dr. Jaffee, the president's expert on this, indicated that the consensus among those who know, who the research is, that that's simply not the way to go.

That's a good thing.

The fellow I was thinking about earlier, I said Charles versus Paul.

Paul Haley.

Right.

Is he an anchor of the ground?

No.

How about next year?

Actually, let's go.

Do you think it's going to irritate him any more?

Well, it would irritate him.

I think it would.

I think what Mrs. Nixon is also there.

Well, I think what they're thinking about is that it's probably, you know, women are so damn hard to deal with.

I think what they're thinking is, if you go, they don't have to fend off that crap that comes from women, and I would suspect that would be the case.

My view is,

So you do not think I should go.

My view is you should be out of town and the vice president should go.

He feels fine, he should go.

Why do you think he should go?

Because you cover all the bases.

The grid army's not in there.

They know you did it for labor.

And they understand why you're leaving.

You did it for the first time.

You did it three times.

Well, why don't you check that for us?

All right, that's all right.

We're here to shoot.

And here to check here to find if it's made with earth or something.

Well, it's not made with earth or something.

So much of what I do is made with earth.

Well, they know that our roof is down.

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I think we'll let Skelly go off and make a few regional appearances, you know, about China.

I think you should, too.

You were there at the story trip.

We want to keep that up at the center of the market.

and maybe we could do television.

That would be great.

What about yourself?

Why don't you do some of it?

I've done some.

Why don't you do some more?

Matter of fact, it's amazing, I think, too, that Halloween could be something.

I mean, what the hell, that couple might even, you know, talk a little about it.

Who else?

The group that we have.

The Rockers, others.

The Chasins and the Rockers.

We'll let Chapin go out and we'll see if he's got any speeches.

No speeches, but he did tell us he had an interview or something.

All right.

Well, I love Chapin.

But Scali would be good.

Yeah, because he's got the, he loves it.

He can get out there and he's really, really good.

The story of Frank, Frank, Frank, all that kind of stuff.

Well, let's take this one.

I always thought about you over here.

.

No, no, Henry, why don't you go?

Oh, he does?

Oh, he does.

He loves you.

Oh, Henry.

Why not just?

So the old, little, the flat rockers ain't there.

He'd find it, he'd arrest it.

Henry, you know, he was a big, he was a big scum.

I mean, he could speak for eight or ten minutes at the end and talk to the other bastards.

He says, you heard it, he doesn't want to talk about it.

Yes, quite a, quite a, my thought is still to do the, uh, press the 30, one negative 30, the CPI, it would probably be bad because of the food prices.

But what the hell, you know, I guess one question on that.

And then talk about the optimism about the economy.

It's going to be about the balance.

Is it a positive or a negative?

your response to that comment here's where it's going right

Good morning.

They stand feet up, though.

No, I agree.

I don't know.

They stand feet up.

Well, they always expect to go to the free run.

Right.

They're not confused.

They're going to turn one.

They're going to start right.

They're going to come over.

They're going to put him on the ground.

They have to do something.

So you have, I think you do that around here.

Oh, why?

Why do I do a patient?

How the hell can we?

We have a dinner that night.

We should have several hundred people or something.

Well, I mean, this is what I, all I see.

You know, I don't care if it bothers you or not.

John, I was, Ron was telling me that when I put up the impression that we were going to be in the Japanese Senate, I think that probably will not work tomorrow.

We've got to stay together.

Yeah, I can see there is a problem.

I know you can't use a gynecologist.

He keeps this drug thing moving along, and they're, you know, getting it in here.

Apparently, they have, you know, people are, you know, being the same, but, you know, I'm not, I'm certainly not the impressionist.

I don't have a lot to do about that, but they're just going to say, like, it's a very hard line.

Not that nice.

Where does he want to go?

Is he going to be in Hawaii?

He said, I was just talking to Adele about how he prefers to be out of the country.

All right.

What's his judgment?

What's his advice?

His judgment is, number one, he feels very strongly the president should not go.

Number two, first of all, he really thinks the vice president should go.

And then he said, but if the vice president doesn't go, if neither the president or the vice president go, then either Connolly or Rogers should be there to respond.

And he says, I think Connolly would be much better.

Then he said, it's very important, I think,

that it not appear to be an administration boycott.

And you can't get too far down the ladder of officials.

Well, I just had an idea.

Well, he just had an idea, too.

I should have said that.

No, really?

I'm not sure.

It's not publicized.

He said one thing.

It would probably be a person's decision.

I think it would be especially vicious this year.

I think those who are very heavily on the ID&T thing, which would be just a...

It's a very bad thing for you to sit there and sit there and say, well, they're kidding you about China or, you know, stratosphere.

They've never done anything with fishes in all the years.

And he was saying to the Vice President, and I sat there last year, and specialists who were miserable, and it was a dull, long, boring, tasteful evening.

Well, he said, you know who should respond?

And then he said, I don't know who should be there.

Chief Justice should respond.

First of all, he would like to.

Secondly, he is plenty high-ranking.

And he goes to those things.

He should respond, and he should have at least five or six other cabinet officers there.

But he ain't gone.

And he said, but not me.

But...

I'd like much not to be there.

How about the Chief Justice Donaldson?

And he's not administration.

That's the difference.

I don't know why it's the difference.

The closest to the President of the United States is the Chief Executive.

Why not the Chief Judicial?

Very small.

Well, the main thing is that he is next to the Vice President, the ranking man, too.

He's the next ranking man in protocol.

No speakers.

That's not the Chief Justice, the way they argue about these issues.

The Chief Justice, is that how you get there?

No, it really hasn't.

The Chief Justice is in the Supreme Court.

The best person who doesn't go to the mall is my dad.

I'm not sure he should go.

His driver said he shouldn't go.

He first said, I really think that he should go.

I don't think there is a reason for that.

That doesn't answer the question of who's the highest ranking person.

The one that has a difference is who's the highest ranking person.

I think he's right.

I think he's right for the reason that it's wrong.

No, he's in the wrong.

My reason for not wanting it is the fact that the pregnancy, the women don't want to do it, I must say.

Because I don't think it's worth buying that trouble with them.

And it isn't going to help us get Bill what Bill's concerned about, as he would be, as he'd be concerned about himself, about the person.

I've heard worse ones than I'll hear this time.

That's on that part.

That's what I do.

It's not a dance.

But if Father's angry, too, he's extremely angry.

He just can't take it.

What the hell?

I could really bother Bill.

Oh, Bill?

Oh, sure.

He was so sensitive.

He'd never been under attack.

This is one of those cases where you gain nothing by not going.

I would tell you this.

You will not lose that damn thing by not going.

He said that by not going.

He won't lose anything.

And you don't gain anything by not going.

And you gain nothing by not going.

It's just a loop.

A few guys were standing around the bar over there.

All right, I haven't heard of him, no.

Oh, yeah, we... Well, we never say.

He probably came down and said he had his boat seat towed.

Yeah.

Oh, yes.

You remember when we didn't go out to the stand at Bohemian Grove?

Yeah.

All right, well, didn't that snap both ways, too, when you decided to go?

But on the other hand, it didn't do any harm not to go.

Some were disappointed, so we all care.

It's off the record.

Let's leave it this way.

I don't think that we can really

What the hell is the difference?

The other administration people should come.

And many cabinet officers can.

So somebody should get busy on that.

And most of them won't.

Most of them won't.

That's fine.

The other cabinet makes a joke about it.

Other people, other cabinet people.

Kissinger's gone.

I personally think he's the best one to respond to today.

Why not?

I'm very proud of Heather here again than anybody else.

More than happy to be a part of the whole waterway back to your district.

You can be proud of yourself if you do it.

You give us a response.

You can be proud of yourself if you do it.

But I think the best way you can be proud of yourself is to go through the response.

You've got to be a producer.

Did he come?

I don't know.

Humphrey's trying to get out of there now.

Who is he going to use?

Besides that, I don't know.

You just tell him, oh, I just can't make it.

I don't know what the hell I'm going to do.

I'm going to go back to John.

I go there all the time.

The weakest one.

It's weak in there.

Okay, I will be in Florida, and Father will not go to Florida this weekend.

Fair enough.

Well, we're going to be awfully busy.

I've got to see that.

What is this?

Oh, yes.

Anyway, I don't think, the fact that you're, Mr. President, the fact that you're here over Easter, I can't make that up because people have passed out or not seen you.

In other words, what I've decided to do is to ask on whether or not you're here this weekend if you're going to go to Egypt.

It really doesn't matter.

Well, I'm going to be here over Easter.

Well, that's what I mean.

In other words, you could go this weekend and go to Egypt.

it would be the same as if you wouldn't do it this weekend.

It wouldn't matter.

I see, well.

In other words, because that would be, by the time.

Well, anyway, I may not be able to get there in a little bit.

If things don't work out, then we'll see.

The bottom point was that you should not do what you want to.

Well, then we'll decide that I can't go, and we've got a telephone call tomorrow, and I just can't make it.

Fair enough.

Yes, sir.

It doesn't work out.

No.

Of course, I've never told, I have never told the owner of the watch.

Yeah, that's right.

He is the inspector.

Right.

So we're right on an egg, is that it?

And then say, now let's move.

And there ain't no egg, is there?

Yeah.

He's turned it down already.

Well, I'll call Hector and I'll say, look, we did everything.

The device wasn't even driving, it should have just skidded.

So, we just can't work it out.

I don't understand why she asked, when she occurred to be the chief justice by no election, chief justice.

It would be an unusual situation.

It's the year of the court.

They probably had to skip the court.

It would be funny if he'd love to do it.

He didn't respond to the administration.

That is what it is.

Since our administration... And the Democrat has already...

Probably the Democrat would have spoken.

Chief Justice...

This is a response to the toast of the President.

A response to the toast of the President to the Chief Justice of the United States.

What he ought to do then, if Berger doesn't, is he ought to do a very short, very serious response.

It's very hard to tell him to be short.

He ought to do it like a great man, a president.

He won't do that.

Yes, he might.

Berger, George.

I'll mention that.

And so that way I can't carry around with me to Florida.

He's got to go his own place.

He doesn't want to do this.

He's going to have to.

And he's going to go to California.

Well, I'm not going to California.

That's for sure.

I'm going to go out there right now.

And the other problem is to go to Florida, that would be him.

He's got to come back Sunday night.

Because?

Because the violent people want to treat me this way.

Before Thursday night, you'd have Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

Unless you have a press conference.

That was funny.

But yeah, you're still good.

7.30 now, isn't it?

Press conference would be such good.

It's a matter of time.

7.30, I'd just take off.

Friday, Saturday, Sunday, come back up Sunday.

Friday, Saturday, come back up Sunday night.

Could do the same.

Yeah.

Check this week.

Go to earlier.

So who is it?

You said I had a Marshall Green.

Did you do that?

You had a press conference.

You don't need an office press conference.

Did Marshall Green write afterwards?

Whenever you can go to Florida right after the press conference, it's perfect time to go.

Did he go down there writing that, you know, on the news thing, and then all he did was generate that for next week?

Yeah, I was thinking that.

The new Marshall Green immediately after the press conference.

Is that correct?

Well, the trouble is, some of them are supposed to take an hour.

They don't.

Most of them take ten hours.

For sure.

You can come to court.

How would that be?

You can come down to court.

It's about a Friday morning.

You can go to court, too.

Yeah.

So they give us a day before they... Before you come down on here.

i don't want bill rogers to go down there and have him on my hands see i don't i just can't have somebody on my hands

I want to be a great reporter.

He wants to go out to the seat of the White House press corps.

Rogers doesn't.

Rogers and Green have to, which is a bad idea, because they're going to put Green on the prowess, which is... You shouldn't go to the White House press corps.

Because they're trying to divide in from this journey.

You go immediately to Taiwan.

The only thing you put on the competition paper is Taiwan.

Well, maybe we ought to pull green.

I just don't want a bill on my hands.

I'm sure they can't buy it.

He wants to go out and say something.

Do it.

Do it here, after the press conference, and that solves the problem.

And you don't take Roger's way to it.

And you don't do anything, because it's too, you know, you've had the press conference, you can't go out and do a briefing in the March of June after a press conference.

Roger's trotted in the March of June on Thursday afternoon, after your press conference, sit through all that, and get on your plane, and go away to Florida.

That's the cleanest thing.

And then you don't have to screw around with him on the airplane.

You don't.

You're free.

You can get out of here.

Steve knows just that you had asked about why the signing ceremony was in the East.

The signing ceremony was in the East Coast.

And it's because they would have done it normally in the same dining room.

They got 110 people.

But because of setting up for the dinner.

Who the hell invited us to stop that thing?

Oh, a huge mob of people.

Everybody concerned with drugs.

Put it in some room over here.

Put it in the entry room or something.

I don't think you ought to put it in the White House.

The staff over there, you know, they've got the flowers out, they've got the trees out, they've got everything.

They said there isn't any problem.

That's why they did it.

I'll see if we can do it.

Oh, hell, what time, what time?

1215.

Well, you're never going to make 1215.

Why?

You can't see the third group.

It's the only time I'm seeing it.

What time is it getting in?

10 or 10.30?

1230.

Well, I figured 1230.

I'll never make it before 1230.

They're not going to get one iota of our coverage of this plan.

We're not even going to be there in the midday in the whole office.

That's right, but this, the reason perhaps all the people is because this is one where we had a lot of people fight for, you know, joining in and do an animus thing.

They wanted to show all of our involvement and support.

And this is one we haven't had with the British, one we haven't had with the Blacks, one we haven't had with any of them.

All the other people, maybe this time or something, I don't know.

We just don't meet with them.

We've got to keep trying.

I don't know.

Rockers feel that way.

Cigarettes feel that way.

And so that's, I just get myself out of it.

But I don't think I ought to tell Wagner to do it.

You know, just feel strongly about it.

And God damn it, he's got right to the sensitivities.

He, of course, is doing it for the right reasons.

I mean, he's just sending it.

Isn't that it?

No, he hates the press.

... ... ... ...

on the way back from Moscow.

I obviously you don't want to do.

I want to screw up.

I'll tell you what.

You call back and say, look,

But I saw this, that I'm going to Iran, and I can't afford to go.

And I'm discussing this with my students, and I can't afford to go.

I'm discussing this with my friends, and I can't afford to go.

And I can't afford to go.

Yeah.