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They have to vote as a Democrat.

But I think that on this, I reject George's advice to follow up on the tuition.

I very, very know that this idea of keeping the money, I don't think George can do that.

But I suck around to some of the data, and I'm prepared for this.

He'll come back, when it's good for him to come back.

He won't come back .

That's the only way.

I think he's overestimating .

One thing you might get from me is the burger

He had an extra memo, the thing he sent out after the Swan decision.

Yeah.

All right.

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You probably haven't had a chance to read most of this stuff.

I saw, I would guess, 10 questions that he sent over last night.

Let me ask you about the busting.

Right.

Both of them say, well, both of them, they asked me the correct question.

say there really remains only one alternative.

Second point, what do you think we should say about

The one question is planning.

I think you can say that this planning has made a full disclosure.

Has it?

Yes.

Oh, but he's been in contact with members of the committee.

I'll double-check this.

But I think you say it's our intention that he make a full disclosure, and he's always been available and always will be available for that purpose.

There's no secrecy involving his participation.

But you have a short thing for me to answer the planning department.

The only one that I really can't answer.

Sure.

Abortion.

I have...

I'm opposed to abortion sanctions, you know.

Is it all right to do that for 150 people before the day?

Now, Buchanan's answer was too Catholic.

I thought I would simply say, in regard to population control, that I do not agree and cannot support it.

the recommendation for legalized abortion.

As far as the other recommendations in the Center on the Studies and everything, they're great.

Now, if there's one hooker that had it, it was Earl Angle.

No.

And that is the fact that the Washington, D.C. City Council has approved abortion.

Well, they should.

And they may play that off by now.

Cardinal O'Goyle has been bombarding you with letters about it.

What did you say?

And...

You can say, well, of course, you've got a local situation here.

And our position has been that as a federal act...

But don't we say that each state has a right to do it?

But don't we say that we have a responsibility to the... Well, we do, except that in this area, the city council is competent to legislate.

Competent has the confidence to legislate when it does.

It's questionable.

How about the crime then?

Why do we say that we have responsibility for crime?

Well, because we do.

They're not competent to legislate on that.

I'll just say that I disagree with the city council's position, but each state has the right argument.

I think you could just leave it at that.

You could simply say, if they raised DC, just say, I disagree with the city council.

Period.

Good.

Marijuana, to follow up on that, I'm not sure if you might be all right with what we did.

Ziegler's advice is not that he wants to say what we're going to have to report.

I don't think that we can, I'll just finish a phone call and I'll be right out.

I can't let it lay.

Here's what I had in mind.

I think I said it.

that I have received the report.

My position, however, remains unchanged.

I oppose the legalization of marijuana, and that includes the possession and use as well as the sale.

I don't believe that you can have an activity that is half legal and half illegal.

Good.

Something like that's half legal and half illegal.

And I'm going to say that the hero, as far as I'm, and I know this point of view is not fair to me, but as far as I have said, as far as this administration is concerned, the hero of permissiveness is over in law enforcement.

I wouldn't apologize for it.

I wouldn't admit that anybody disagrees.

And then I'll say, I'll study the other recommendations on that.

The Social Security, you can't recommend that we not take that down.

But I would say there, and I'm in the position to say, well,

As far as our position, it's been stated that they provide the most cost of living.

And the matter is still before the Congress.

I will state again, I will stay over that.

I cannot support any social security increase which requires an increase in taxes.

Or which is a result of its effect on exceeding the full budget.

would result in an increase in prices within those guidelines.

I will have to consider the legislation when it comes to it.

That doesn't tie us into a buy or sell.

Well, we've announced it.

That's right.

We've told them that we're opposed to 20%.

Because it would raise taxes.

It's inflation.

And inflation.

Right.

It has raised taxes, too.

Yes, indeed.

Payroll taxes is a better way of saying it.

Payroll taxes.

But I think leaving yourself a little door is a good idea.

Yeah.

I can't tell you what the Congress is going to do, but I will not approve, I cannot approve a proposal that requires an increase in payroll taxes this year.

In the first year of its operation, it requires an increase in payroll taxes in the first year of operation.

or which I find to be in place.

And I'll say that I'm opposed to 20%.

I don't know if I say that.

If they ask you flatly, say that doesn't seem to meet those criteria.

Yeah, doesn't seem to meet those criteria.

Okay, fine.

Okay.

But I don't believe in pushing around on things like abortion, marijuana, and the rest of it.

Say you had the report on population.

I've only had it for two weeks.

I can't dodge that question.

You'd make up all kinds of questions, Sam, about why you changed.

Well, I am.

I'm slapping right now.

Sure.

Credit, discredit, whatever it is.

Instead of an Uber response.

Just show me, please.

I took it back.

He understood, did you tell him?

We had talked about it, yeah.

You told him you just made a bad call.

He was, well, no, I didn't go into all that now.

I just said that that mutual advantage thing was first damage.

And he said, yeah, I'll do what I can.

And so it was fine from then on.

And he allowed it.

The guy's flying in now, and he'd be in at 6 o'clock, and we'd probably have a man there, and everything's fine.

Would you have any objection if I convinced on this?

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

you're going to take the afternoon off to play golf.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry at this point.

Maybe someone like tea or coffee or ice cream, ice coffee, would call.

Ice tea.

That's a special ice tea.

Yeah, the ice tea.

We're going to find out what he did.

All right.

On the, uh, through the back door.

He asked you what the probability is that he'll get a lot better.

It's basically a partisan move on the part of all.

And in general, it really shows that many of these allegations were totally incorrect about the way the state of the world is operating.

Although some of them were unanimous, some were unanimous and so on and so forth.

And also, I gather, stated that the public members were ready to resign or stay on.

They were ready to resign.

I told the head first.

I said, whatever the president wants publicly, they said they're ready to go.

And they're continuing on.

So the public members have been forwarding the rights.

And I think it's very helpful.

This has been his report to the president recently.

We found the price statistics guide.

We heard about the food and all the bad readings.

All the rest of the CPI taken together is very good.

That's a big job.

We didn't have the goddamn food thing.

It was 2%.

And the other was perhaps two and a half, the truth.

It would have been right in the area.

But anyway, the areas that have had the most controlled efforts have performed pretty well.

The raw agricultural products being uncontrolled have sort of gone up underneath the food prices.

So we've seen a rise there.

So we have that picture, which we were fearful was going to be very bad all around, but it's turned out that way.

So that's rather encouraging.

which is rather encouraging and I think a good point to be made.

Rao was good with it.

Structurally, what should we do with the table?

We talked about a variety of possibilities, and there are quite a variety that are legally possible under the law.

One possibility is all public board of the five people.

Our feeling is that this sentence has dealt itself in so strongly.

it would be hard to tell him that he must get off.

And I believe that somehow we pulled the rug out from under him.

There's a possibility of us having five public members and nobody else has it.

Oh, I see.

That's possible.

Because of what Vincent's statement is, his narrative position on it.

We don't know how that would cut, of course, but our general view, and there are some variations on this name, would be to stick with the five other members that we've got.

And then, if we have this sentence that we have one of the business members stay on, and we say we have a seventh member,

public board, and two of the members have been chosen.

The one who has a business background, the one who has a labor background, and has his kind of flavor.

Tom got that vaccination.

If Fitz would do that.

Yes, sir.

He wants to do that.

I think we would want to.

We've worked and consulted him and to talk this over with him and so on.

He is

Maybe we can ultimately go on.

If Woodcock decides to stay on, we would think to a drive or two.

So, just exactly what we would recommend.

We can't be sure who will know what he's going to do.

So, that I think is the recommendation for where the paperwork should come out.

And what I'd love at that point is if somebody wants to hear other views.

Yes, sir.

Well, now the main points went.

Our expectation is that they must be there for a short order of business and they would act on it today sometime, but they are having three days and so it might get strung out somewhere.

We can't, in my view, I don't think it's good to wait.

I don't think it's good to leave a vacuum here and a period of uncertainty.

I think you have to, that's what the police started trying to do back here.

I don't think you can leave a room tomorrow morning with an announcement that has John.

I don't think we ought to fool around.

But if others disagree, then we should wait.

I don't think you can leave this thing.

It's the uncertainty that I think would be

very bad at this point.

I think we, after all, everybody knows this was a possibility, and they say, why in the hell didn't we have a contingency plan?

Well, we do have a contingency plan.

What do you think, John?

No, I think we have one tomorrow.

I suppose we have heard the board of directors have agreed to the alternative.

In fact, they said we're going to have one.

We're going to have a board of five members that will stay on.

He wants to stay on, and we'll balance him with one member.

Woodcock decides he'd like to participate, which we hope he will, and we'll balance him with another.

That's the way I'd handle it.

I would, of course, run away for it, but Woodcock may have his mind.

So, I think y'all know what's going on.

It has to be that big, because I think he's still certain enough to worry.

Well, it's not so big.

We'll have a board.

In fact, I wouldn't say let him come back in.

I'd just say the board will assist in this.

It would be a question of whether he comes back.

The question is whether he comes out.

But then I should

We're gonna announce it tomorrow, Tom.

The odds are so great that you can call me at all.

Definitely, but you wouldn't call me

So sorry you don't have the delay.

Why don't we don't wait for at least one of these steps, please.

Another question that we discussed was the consumer's price index announcement, which will be tomorrow.

All right.

Now, the easy question is should

in any statement about the pay board, any note be taken of the price index, or should that be, or the price report be fielded as a completely separate matter in some third?

I think third is what I'm reading.

Yeah.

Well, he's had enough figures to brief on.

He might as well take a back one down there.

What the hell?

Is that right, John?

Yes, sir.

No, I think you ought to keep it separate.

I feel that you're separate.

I don't feel defensive.

Don't be defensive about anything.

I don't think you ought to take some of the food prices for one thing.

I just think you ought to take many of them.

We're going to convince the American people that this paper is going to continue this fight.

Well, that's why I strengthened the statement that somebody recognized that I could kick him in the ass.

He thinks he was kicked in the ass.

However you will, I get through to the son of a bitch.

He's asking for it.

There's not going to be any horsing around now.

He can't help us.

He represents, this is it, the LCIO represents one-fifth of the wage earners at this time.

I don't care how they build them.

I'm just too important for that.

Well, within the

Can you keep some of the construction units from going wrong?

That's one of the interesting things, Mr. President.

We were careful in that statement.

John, if you would make something, I think the statement should say, well, it's interesting to know.

and going forward and so forth.

If we didn't say that, that's damn effective.

But that's something that is separate .

It has been operating within the framework of the paper and that continues, but it basically operates as a .

Now, it's not per se disturbed at all.

It operates as an entity under the paper.

And I suggest that it's very important

To get to the construction trades guys, we had such a good, I believe we had a very good meeting on the .

And that I think that they are, I guess, well, you know, we want to work with them and so forth and so on.

We don't want to polarize labor versus this government.

And if that's really what we're going to do, we're going to separate them out.

But we cannot allow meaning to done as knows to this government.

That's the term I'm going to use when I refer to it.

Done as knows to this country.

Well, obviously, I'll be prepared to make the statement if you want me to.

Well, I respect your opinion.

All right.

And just to call this issue, I'm going to try to agree that this company needs to vote on that issue.

All right.

And I'd just like, frankly, if you don't mind, to... Oh, I don't mind.

No, I'm asking advice.

I don't know.

It seems to me it has to be either you or me.

And the question is, if you... Another point would be for...

for me to go on and take a few questions on it.

But I can just open right up at 3 o'clock tomorrow.

One of the things that I think the program as a whole has done

We need the help of the American people.

We're fighting high prices.

Well, what is the feeling about the measure?

What do you think, John?

If you do it at the start of your press conference, so that means nobody's on TV doing it except Dan Rather.

I'm not sure the way you want to present your case.

If you're going to do it, you ought to go out to the press room and do it on television.

If you don't want to do that, then I would argue that the secretary ought to make the statement on the TV cameras, and then you take questions at the press conference.

The other thing you can do is go out in the morning to the press room and make a statement for the cameras and then separate them from the press conference.

Well, don't call the press conference.

We'll have 800 people in that Oval Office.

I can't do that.

You see, it's still an announcement.

Huh?

It's still an announcement.

I know.

I'm going to discuss it.

All right, you can go out at 3 o'clock and make the statement and then go back to your office and then Ron can say the President's available in his office for questions.

Yeah, but

That way you get the best of both, because I think that... Have that on TV.

The people who are going to see you are going to be angry and mad and weeping and saying that... Well, they'll see some of it.

It's our man, not a TV announcer.

Yeah.

In this case, the president can do this not only better than anyone, but he will register... How does it come...

I don't know how you...

I'm just thinking of going out...

I know that that'll work.

Let's think of the gimmick for a minute.

You go out and make that announcement.

Call them in at three.

Call them back at the office.

I wonder if that's going to be worth it.

They'll say, what the hell are you doing that for?

Why not do it for more?

It'll be worth it.

Well, I think it's awkward to go out and call them back into your office.

Right at the same time, yes.

You could do it, though, at 11, but you could do it at 11 and 3.

And then at 3 o'clock, call them in and run an answer there.

Let me ask you a question.

I think that makes more sense.

It doesn't look like you should be trying.

Another thing you could do is to do it at 3 and do the press thing the following day.

It might make more sense.

Depends on what you want to have, will I?

That's the problem, if you confuse the two, the same thing, the same question, I don't know what they'll use them for.

Well, except they only have the one for fellows and a half, he's the president of the state.

I'm telling him, right, I understand, but what we're talking about is that they also use a lot of audio of the other things they're asking about.

Right.

I wonder if it doesn't make sense for you to separate a day and time.

In other words, you go out at 3 tomorrow, basically, which doesn't give them a hell of a lot of chance to hit it.

You know, which we don't want to do.

If you get it to 11, they go down and ask all the other guys for comment.

In fact, you might even do it at 4.

Do it at 4 o'clock tomorrow and make this statement.

And whack it.

And then walk out.

And then I'll call in a...

Call them in the following day, right on call, and let them ask any questions they want.

I think that's better.

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