{"conversationCode":"326-004","tapeNumber":326,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-326-004","startDateTime":"1972-03-24T14:38:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-03-24T14:45:00.000Z","startDate":"24-Mar-1972","startTime":"9:38 AM","endDate":"24-Mar-1972","endTime":"9:45 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.; [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On March 24, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 9:38 am to 9:45 am. 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