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We all realize the importance of mobilizing.

But I was going to play with a bunch of others, and we got, you know, we figured I just got put out.

They didn't just say there was a burglary in the state of the city.

No, they picked up a few of them, but they weren't.

Yes.

All right.

Is that why you put a good man on that spot?

To follow up?

You better put somebody on it.

Chuck, you really got to work an exciting evening.

Somebody has to watch that too.

Yeah.

I didn't hear nothing.

But I was going to ask you, because that was my next question.

He got on that bandwagon and recorded two reports that were being looked at by somebody.

And they asked the first question, and Conley didn't even let them finish the question.

They got kind of halfway through the question, and Conley weeped in with his first barrage.

He was scared that they were going to cut him off.

I don't think he was sure how long, how much time they were going to have.

He knows about all those commercials he's done.

Yeah, yeah.

So he launched into his first blast, which was on the labor thing, and hit all our pitch, and he had all his points stacked up, you know, and he just spotted them all out.

Then they asked him the next question on rising prices, and he turned that around to labor again, so they asked him a follow-up question on the prices, so...

Then lunch, and he had a set of charts.

He said, you know, food prices keep going.

Look at the food prices, the way they go up and down.

He said, my God, look at this.

Meat prices here just caught up with where they were in 57 or something, you know.

And he was going through all of this.

All the prices were going all the way down.

Then he picked up another chart, and these poor guys never, they kind of sat there with their mouths hanging open.

All of this just overwhelmed him.

The guy who came on, he had just awful good.

And he made all the points

They did it very forcefully and very, in a sense, graciously.

I mean, they ask a tough question.

You've got last year's Seattle, it was a success.

But what did Clinton do?

They tried to get rid of the buds versus...

I didn't have a...

I said, fine.

I said, the farmer's price is only a small part of it.

What's involved there?

I said, no.

If the fire secretary acts about everything exactly what Secretary Blunt is doing, his job is to speak for that state.

Farmers' prices have only gone up 30%, but farmers' returns have only gone up 13% or something, and their costs have gone up 200%.

Do they have a problem?

They've got to work on that.

The food prices aren't this.

We're going to be looking into these retailers and how much money they're making on all of this transportation costs.

He put that one around.

Good.

He came labor hard.

He got in the...

He said...

I forget how he put it, but in effect he said, well, we are going to miss you.

He never dropped by anyway.

He said, this is a very able man to represent.

He said, I can't recall his name.

I mean, he still remember it when he went in to talk to Judge Bolt about his pen race the day it was began.

That's what happened.

He does it in such a, you know, in a way, a nice way.

He doesn't laugh.

He says, we aren't going to miss him, but she wasn't around anyway.

And isn't this going to cripple all of us?

You know, the thing about it is he puts that goddamn knife in.

Oh, yeah.

And I think that's an indication of why he probably would like to be more of a person.

He knows that you do.

He knows I do, and he thinks probably it's a good idea.

And it may be right.

It may be, but the more I read this, the more I discourage the objection of a lot of people, when they go through and actually pick up on what they've become, because they're here and there, and we've had a break.

But it's like the response of the one I mentioned.

Oh, oh, oh.

It's not that none of us, I think we've come out of the way here.

The board's been, he said, now that the labor people are off the board, the board will become a lot more, a lot tougher on wage decisions.

A lot of wage decisions.

No, no, no, I don't think so.

Then he just completely turned it 180 degrees.

So he got both sides of the answer.

He said, no, I don't think it will become any tougher.

Then he switched.

He said, you know, the criticism of the board has been that they've been too easy on wage decisions with the labor people on it.

He said, no, I think, you know, they'll really continue to be tough.

He kind of ignores the question and then gives the answer to the guy.

The CEO then comes back and gives him the answer to their question also.

So he gets his answer in first, so he makes his point.

Then he kind of wanders back to the question so the guy can't say that you didn't answer my question.

And he comes on with such force that he does it before the guy finishes.

He does the technique he used all the way through.

He never let one of them finish their question.

He never did.

Never.

The guy didn't hear the end of the question.

John didn't know what he was saying.

And he'd ride right over it.

And start it on his answer.

And then he'd come on so strong and hard on the answer.

And he wouldn't let him ask another question until he said everything he wanted to say about that and everything else.

And then he got all done.

It was early when I watched him in my office.

We were all practically staring at each other.

We were laughing so hard.

He just...

He said, I've been saying this for a long time, but I never really believed it.

But he said, I actually think it's true.

I think he's been duped, or I was conspiring.

I said, I just kind of realized that I was going through some of the clips, the rap magazine stuff, because I want to put it together, because I think people like us want to take a look at it.

He said, because it's now, it's starting to convince me that what I've been saying is right.

And, speaking for Arthur Burns, that he told it, and it gives you back to the same old thing, that Arthur Burns, Colbert Rowan, Nate, Zach Samuels, and all that.

He said it isn't just an accident, because I think it goes beyond thought.

He said every time Arthur goes out on a trip or starts something, it's a funny thing.

Now all of these things start to pop up all over different places at the same time.

What I think about it is, I think it goes like a curve.

I think it goes through the curve.

And to get over a vehicle, because the people in the same area...

I put it all into it, and then get it.

I'll get it done.

I'm sure he gets it.

But he's right about it.

I don't know.

I kind of always have, but I'm an isometric man.

I really am.

I'm kind of worried about it.

I try to keep quiet.

I'm not innocent.

I'm preparing at the first time.

I'm preparing.

I'm very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,

I might quit my life.

And if I do, I will have missed the opportunity to be a son-in-law.

To do this thing.

And I do it now, and I think the Russians want it.

It's one of the reasons they want it.

It's one of the reasons we do it now.

To get them out of Egypt, and reduce their trouble in Egypt by the way.

At very small cost to us, because God damn Israel needs to hold back their own territory.

They should trust the Jews here, but we can't hold on to the people.

If you can talk about it.

The point that I make is that Henry is a

You, and he thought to me, you know, try not to, try to definitely kiss what prayers you would like to say to your husband.

I didn't try not to in the whole world.

He did quote a prayer that he tried not to do in the world.

Oh, oh, oh, oh.

It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter how long it takes you.

20% at the outside.

On a really good day, you get 20%.

all the countries in the world to do it, and thereby are losing any opportunity to keep the Russians out of, or us again, the UAR and other countries representing 160 people, and also most of the oil of the world.

It's a problem.

It's a great tale, and it's quite a long story.

I do, and I raise it, and I don't care about the other people's problems.

And I'm not going to miss the opportunity in the summer to do something to reverse the situation that we've had in the last 25 years.

We've had a great career.

So that's where I go.

I slept around and got a man to do it.

No, I didn't do it for the last 25 years.

It's the thing the Russians want, that they have to go back there.

They just didn't put the speed on the helicopter.

That's when they get the whole police back.

But they've got to get the hell out of there.

They're occupying all these characters.

They've got to go to war, Bob.

And God damn it, if any other country's got something to go to war, look at the hell they've put.

Drilled us to get the hell out of Okinawa.

And the Japanese have sunk our whole ass fleet.

Pearl Harbor.

Here's the Israelis.

What the name of Christ are we talking about?

What about the double standards?

Isn't that funny?

...forcing him to deal straight because he has

It's a matter of, it's the right time to put this group on, not whether it will win.

And he did say, all groups, the early part of 7, just we can pass whenever we can.

That's an argument that I've always had with Mitchell.

My argument for that is that we lose absolutely nothing if they

I'm not going to do that.

Very wrong.

They never are important in any respect.

We're dealing here with cold-blooded goddamn murderers.

And they know they are.

They have a great purpose.

They will have my strong.

But I'm not going to allow them to do it.

But I see this Jewish back here around me.

I'm arguing with him because he's a sin.

He never misses out on me.

I got down to coming here to come and play, and that's what I'm doing.

I love the Jews.

And Len Garland.

And everyone that sees me in this space is always crazy.

They always drag me.

They're Jewish.

A lot of it's real.

They're probably under, I'm sure they are, under enormous pressure from the Jews.

Especially when they work on all their people who are, you know, Max is, he doesn't understand it, but he's a professional Jew.

He's there for that purpose.

They sure dropped that one.

But it doesn't show.

You know that.

It sure doesn't show.

Oh, let me ask you a couple of other things.

What about the network play?

I know they all reuse the tape over.

They all use the tape over.

AB left, AB D left, but the other C left, but they've been only used one minute and 20 seconds of your day.

The other two, one of these two minutes, the other two minutes and 10 seconds, so I guess we're just a little bit out of line.

Pretty much all of them, though.

Any of them, two minutes, we're pretty close to all of them, but that's just...

Very down to your point, though, then.

That's the other limit, and that was the damn book.

Ron even was saying on this, Ron, you didn't read my book, but Ron was saying, no, the book wouldn't happen.

I said, why take the chance?

Well, as a matter of fact, they used the best part of it, though.

Yes, he did, yeah.

They only used 120, and they did use postmarking, but that's one where it runs, right?

It was hard to market, but that was too big an issue.

Taking on George TV is a thing that's paying hard for the other to cut.

Yeah, yeah.

But they did.

You can sell ABCs a little bit, but the other two are new.

I want to know if you just do an 87 word, and I probably talk two minutes.

Two minutes and a quarter.

Two minutes.

Maybe two minutes and a half.

A little bit.

In fact, you see, you take out all your stuff that you want, and the powder didn't come off.

Did you see it?

Yeah, and it came off very well.

In fact, it was red and all the good butter came off.

There was no kind of adversity at all.

Everybody was very excited.

It was very effective.

I love it, I'll take it.

It is neat.

Now that's the other side of the whole argument of people that are against comedy.

It comes up so hard and it scares you.

Because he is basically a very strong man.

And he is a little scary.

Because his judgment is very subject.

His judgment is erratic.

Except that John can be reasonable.

That's the other thing.

And he can change his mind.

It's a difficult thing.

But he's a damn poor man to have around.

That's what I'm talking about.

I'm glad we had him do this, and I'd like to do the golf program and get him on the road again.

He's so absorbed, well, he hasn't said he wants to, but then he's so absorbed that he never gets quite out to do it.

Oh, I've decided I'm going to reserve him.

Why don't you just...

I'm not going to argue after that.

It's hard for coming in alone that I cannot come in.

Arthur Schultz confirmed to me he did come into a pretty beautiful

He said, follow the paper process, do it all for the talent and all that, but he said, before you make the decision, I'd like you to have an opportunity to make an oral argument.

He said, of course, that's the thing.

But, well, I've changed my mind.

Well, this one is, you're not even allowed to try to make an oral argument.

Just say that several people want to make an oral argument.

But he, George said, the way Burns put it to you was he wanted to make the decision

He started to say, absolutely not, because you would make the decision that you were instructing Malik to make up a list of candidates based on Arthur's recommendations, Conley's, Seltzer's, and others.

And then those would be refined down.

And I said, I could find out as far as putting them on the end, and it would be totally intolerable to break up before everything that is in mind.

And he said that the final list that Malik and Merriman had to do was to be reviewed by Arthur, and by any other before it was submitted to you.

And that part, this is exactly how I had it.

But then the one more step, George does confirm, did happen.

I would then say, he liked the opportunity to make more of it.

And the price of the price, I guess, and the price of the lovers.

I'm not saying I could have won.

No, he had been slamming.

Cricket.

You agree?

Sure.

I think he always said that.

Good old comments.

I think he loves to go on and on.

He sure seems like it today.

He has, he doesn't like it.

He does it, if you have a thing, it looks like it does.

He likes it.

He was part of it last night.

All the objections are very good in front of him.

The houseguys, he mentioned it in his reference last night.

It can hold, but it can't hold that, it will hold that.

They're not even going to start pushing it somehow.

They'll start pushing it.

Oh, so there's nothing more for 96 times.

Yeah, when I talk about the media, they're going to go by on all three networks.

There's three or four of them.

There's the RO scandal around the country.

What I was waiting for was the benefit of the record that we got to make there.

Crack the drug thing once.

Crack the price thing once.

That's what we do.

We have to do what we do.

Morality.

Finding it our way to get it steamed up.

You've got to remember, you can't paint it.

You've heard of that show.

All the time, yeah.

It's how you do it.

You were president.

You walked yesterday.

You did it presidentially.

I'm thinking of you.

I used to play a colorful one.

You walked off the job.

I don't care what his views are.

I'm going to call him.

Ron had a reaction to our thought about a precedent for the China hands.

He was concerned about trying to expand it so the kitchen cabinet is not too bad, but the Moscow, the kitchen cabinet might be a problem, the Moscow thing, yeah.

Probably is, and it may be just better to play it just in the new generation process.

I agree.

We can talk, try to complicate it.

Otherwise, they do it that way.

It's a selection process.

You do it fine.

I just think it should be a China group, and not their wife.

Right.

Right?

Yes.

That meant for a pop-up.

Somebody in work.

Okay.

I think there are people

And I didn't want to pay for it.

I said you wouldn't do anything for me.

You don't think we should try for three in the next period?

You can't?

I'm asking, but I wouldn't.

Especially if you do, which I think would be a good idea, because it's destructive.

If you do a fireside talk on drugs, I wouldn't do it.

I wouldn't do it.

Or as I talk, time to time.

Yeah.

7.30.

Oh, 7.30.

Or Sunday evening.

Sunday evening.

Depends on what they work out.

What do they do?

I think we do.

They think we do, and I think we do.

And they've got an interesting given.

We've got to do it.

Their drug writing is pretty sad now.

We'll get to something as soon as they're done writing.

What they've got is a new gimmick.

He gives it a news quiz, which is a national telephone number.

People are called to report it.

There's one number for all over the country.

It says he's got a 411 or something.

Well, if he'd make it very real, I'd give it that, yeah.

Now could I ask for also an encouraging factor?

Basically, the trips to the country more.

I would turn on a new one every month.

In June.

In mid-June, yeah.

What will we send to your company?

Uh-huh.

I don't want to do one right now.

We are going to do one.

Then the Democratic Convention comes, right?

You don't want to do one right before us?

No.

You don't want to do one during us?

And we can't allow

Ourself, putting our acts, that's why we want to vacation while they're in their convention, they're going to get quite anyways.

Give them the whole thing then, and really vacation them out, so that, and then don't, then on, don't want to vacation them.

Then on, you're really from mid-July through November, you just got to roll with these big couple days, and then you just have to roll over, and then you have to get out.

You can't really get anyone out.

Well, as a matter of fact, it still takes a good week off after the Capitol Republic convention, Governor, and call it a landing.

Yeah, that's right.

But we ought to go pretty hard in that five weeks between the two conventions.

That's the point.

And it may be more important to go before the Democratic convention.

Yeah, no, I go before the Democratic convention, too.

I mean, building on the Russian thing.

It's a sensitive problem, as I told you, Bob.

I don't want to beat this to death.

I do a very sensitive problem with Henry.

I'm not good at the Jewish thing.

And also, also, the network.

Now, I simply say, well, can you make it a better deal?

Call this business a good deal.

And we're playing a hard line because, frankly,

Dallas, so forth and so on.

We do do all of these.

We want to schedule it.

What dates can you give us in your calendar?

We've already done that.

We work with this office.

We're going to make sure your calendar is going to be sent out there.

And you're going to do TV out there.

Right out there in each of these places.

We're going to arrange for you to be able to do the best TV talk shows.

And Charlie's going to do them in Texas.

He's probably going to sponsor these things.

I have a couple.

Rather than using your organization, I think in most cases it's better not to use our organization.

It's better to put our own group together.

Yeah.

And he wants to do it twice.

He wants to do one in Houston and one in Dallas.

Great.

Do you think it's a good idea?

One at lunch and one at dinner on the same day.

I think it's a good idea.

Do you like the idea that he's doing it?

I put it to him on the basis of his advice on how it ought to be done.

Yeah.

And I think obviously he's got to do it.

That's a good thing for him.

That makes him look good down home.

You know, he runs around the country and puts his show on.

He drops it in the Star Act.

You know, it's not that mean.

It's great.

The way Hamilton got him off the college was nice.

He said, we're going to put him on the show.

A bigger audience was going to read from college when we found him.

And, rather than doing this one shot of C.P.

yesterday, and get out of there tonight, but to be competing against the movie, I put all that out there, competing against the movie, but I'm sure there's a small audience, and there's a lot of people behind this.

Well, I'm glad that you'll say, oh no, Michael, that's not true.

When the president went on, he didn't get away with it.

He went on one network and had a bad time.

Right.

Even when you go on one network and have a good time, you get a mediocre audience.

Right.

Because people are doing the other things.

Right.

You'll feel like you're raising yourself to help us.

I wouldn't defend him.

He has a pregnant job.

I wouldn't defend him because he hasn't done any good things.

I let other people know.

I just said...

I don't know.

I said that...

I don't know.

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