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I think it's going to start today.

I was calling him today.

Yeah, he had a call.

He's had a call from Ross Perot, who has come up with another idea to be with him.

He says he's got a guy, which he has.

that's, you know, he's just come out.

He's got a very big deal on the work.

A signal that they'll release.

They'll release a signal that he has to talk to the president.

He will not go through any establishment channels.

He will not be interested in any lives here in the state.

I won't talk to him.

And he's just such a goddamn fool that, you know, he can't get through.

He's got a thing going, and he should probably do that, sir.

Probably.

Probably he doesn't want to get into it at all.

Very wisely.

Fro wants to set up a thing where he deals with you.

He envisions himself as a guy like Bernard Baruch or something, you know.

Right.

Counsel with presidents and handle special issues.

And he's so erratic and screwed up mentally that about the time you get into a weapon, you're in real trouble.

He'll go out and say the president wouldn't even like the deal, I don't think.

And Henry's the best person to deal with a thing like this, either.

We know what the deal is, apparently, in some human.

Or we give them.

and we don't know how many they'll release, and it's a pure maneuver on Hanley's part to stir up that they have a problem on the psychological side.

They need a psychological offensive, and this is their way of doing it.

Yeah, but he's worried about the other side of not doing anything, which there is, because Perot, say,

I think someone's got to listen to him.

See, he's been over it.

He called me a while back saying he wanted to see the president.

And he played around with some substantive reasons.

And then finally, back down to it, and he got a direct blackmail with me.

I've been approached by, it's a funny thing, I've been approached by all the Democratic presidential candidates, and they all perfectly well could talk to me and initiate my advice and all that.

I said, but I'm more on this, on all kinds of things, on any of them.

And he says, but I'm more interested in helping the president.

And I don't feel I have a personal relationship with him.

And we've got to get some discussion on that.

He wants me to go ahead and sit down and chat with him, and that's what happens.

And I don't think he can get into a position to do that.

Even if he sells out to one of them, it's a lot of time.

Yeah, he works on everybody.

Billy Graham.

Poor Tom.

Well, this is kind of a sneaky blow to move in on Tom.

He's just picking up.

He doesn't really know Tom.

I mean, Tommy knows him.

Tommy doesn't know him that well.

He knows him, but not...

Connelly had an invite and wouldn't move on it.

No, Connelly says, I don't want to be intended.

Burroughs said, I know somebody who'll have to sit in.

I don't, I'm not asking you to see the president alone.

He said, but I think you should sit in and say no.

Oh, shit.

Waste two minutes, Tom.

Well, Connelly said, I don't want to sit in.

I don't want to get into this.

I don't know anything about it.

I don't want to hold a position.

I don't want to hear it.

And, uh, that's what Connelly told me about.

Well?

Well, I can't believe it.

I think the way to handle this, I should just say, well, of course, if there's something here, we're interested.

But there are a number of these things, a number of things going on.

They're all interrelated.

There's no way the president is going to have to go over it with the U.S. State Department.

We should talk to L.A. Can we run L.A. by Kevin?

Yeah, this has good relations with L.A.

I'm just thinking about planning.

Oh, yeah.

I'll be by the pipeline.

What do you think of that one?

I don't know.

I don't think he's impressive enough to do this, but I don't think he's so impressive.

You know what I mean?

He's so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,

Well, if you think he's gonna buy that, I'm perfectly willing to.

I think it's the federal, the state knows what's going on, and the problem with putting, Walters knows a lot about it, yeah.

Walters, Walters hurt us awful fast, awful quick, you know what I'm saying?

What was the idea when he was here?

Seven people.

Some of the big-buddy go-to-nurse, County Walters.

Now, it's wrong that we've got a lot of secret contacts with these people.

We don't want to get them, but we don't even.

Some of these are cross-purposes with others.

The management panel that was developed for this is impressive.

We get some of those numbers, but because of what the president's working on and some other levels, it's imperative that he not be tracked with any agencies that we get some commitments to be tracked.

And I do not know that some of these things might go on without my, and I, for economic reasons, am not aware of this idea.

I think he's a, pretty much of a, he is.

He feels that he's right, of course.

He feels a lot of things.

He feels the government is so bogged down in bureaucracy that you can't deal with it.

He goes into a super government business.

Well, maybe we're a better option to let him go to somebody else.

Although, I don't know.

I would let him go right now.

Not on this issue.

I think he isn't any good to us, but he could be some harm.

So you put your finger right on it.

You're right.

He's no good on this.

But Hage isn't the one to do it, in my opinion.

I don't think you could try Hage again.

I don't want Hage as the next one to do Hage.

But when I put a new player in the game, asking to go to Paris and see the top man who's done nothing but... Let me tell you exactly how to do it.

Just say, look, it's very interesting.

that there are some popsies that go here and there and go even further than that.

This may fit into it, but they're being conducted at a level that the ambassador doesn't know.

Just say, nobody here, nobody in the White House knows, and the State Department knows nothing about it.

It's being conducted by us, and it's going to be the next step in the direction of the CIA.

You know, great.

General Waller, he's in Paris.

He suggested you go there and talk to him.

And Waller thinks everything, you know, the dips you do and so forth and so on.

He has handled the court of the president.

The top secret man.

The top secret man says the president doesn't want to leave Iraq.

How does that sound to you?

Warburg would be very useful in the future for this kind of person, too.

When I talk about impressiveness, if he comes in and sees a photograph, he won't be as impressed.

Well, there's other people, you know, with his abilities.

I've got that.

I'm trying.

How impressed do you think I am?

How impressed?

Say, for example, tell this crazy son of a bitch, he's a fellow of a very active Brazilian.

I don't mean to tell him, I mean to lie, to give him any money, but for an economy that has been followed by this sort of bitch like this, where there are people like that around, like the Texas contact economy, he's probably impressed by it.

He's got money, you know, he's still on the line.

Well, no, Europe, you put your finger right on it.

But isn't Walmart the best one, Bob?

And we've all been impressed by Pearl.

We've all been bad guys.

We've been on burn, you know, times as well.

We've got enough.

The only money he spends on his own, you know, hires those airplanes and buys underwear and flies it over.

Yeah, but in a campaign, I mean, don't you...

He didn't pay one thing for personnel on the first time.

Yeah, on a tax-deductible business expense.

He burned personnel out of his corporation and paid their salaries out of his corporation.

He dumped it into the business.

He got a lot of trouble on that.

He got into some trouble on that.

But he had us bail him out, which he did.

Also, we were planning on that.

The reason I mention him, he's a guy with a handle that's soft.

He's doing all right.

He must be making money head over heels.

And I thought, yeah, that's right on.

I would imagine he had no idea what was going on.

But you see, he looks at that as he came in and bailed us out of the Wall Street problem.

Now, we did ask him to do that, but I didn't hurt him.

I didn't help him at all.

You know, God damn well, he didn't do that to help us.

He did it because he saw it wasn't good.

Something dying.

Oh, they all eat it, grab it.

Everybody said that they drove it.

It was a merciless deal.

That's right.

He had them knocked against the wall by the walls, and he squeezed by it.

This is what he does.

I just want to talk about this.

I think so.

I think that's what he says.

He sees this as his entree.

He's been waiting.

He's got to wait.

Your view is that's going to be too high a question.

You have some problems.

You have problems if you don't see him and he's talking.

You have problems if you do and he's talking.

Because if he tells you something and you don't do it, then he'll go out and say, I'm COVID-19.

Walter has been telling me all this bullshit.

We can figure, Bill Walter has been banning Bob and telling him, we want to holler at each other and say, look,

We're going to be there pulling your leg.

We've got some other things going on.

What do you think?

I don't see the negotiations going on.

I think there's nothing going on.

That's what I'm asking.

I'm just talking to you today.

You know, Al, I can flip it over, but we definitely have something down there to take on.

And we left last Saturday.

We have four massive problems and crises that we haven't gotten to strip about them.

The business about that, where Rogers made the statement that he lost a massive problem.

Reading on that.

I also thought that

But you have to realize that you can get to them, close to some of them.

I don't know how much that he had to pay in the memory, because I told Al not to call him, but Al does.

But I didn't call him all week.

I called him Sunday.

I said, no, Henry, that's what I said.

But Al said he had a good time.

But would you not agree that that's exactly what would have happened?

Sure.

This one, I got started just stopping the train.

You know, to a certain extent, the reason it came to mind, that the parole is used to people, somebody who's got a lot of balls, drive, imagination, and so forth, constantly needs attention.

and he gets this sort of mute and loud reaction, you know, and then jump up, and when they don't have attention, they get bored, and angry, and spiteful, and almost feminine.

And then, of course, they had to show us of all the work that he did, and it hits on the vision, huh?

And then he makes birdies.

And also, also to his credit, he does sit there.

He does believe.

He doesn't create.

Incidentally, maybe you brought one sometime.

This is a bad little thing.

Here, you've seen each other.

Or you've seen what they are.

Gary, Jim Gary, apparently one of his companies, makes these.

And they can make them so that you can hang them up for you.

He says he'll make 1,000 or 2,000 for us if you want.

And he's giving them to us.

And they're gold plated.

They have a nice little description on them.

One leaf is for both.

One is for faith and one is for love.

You know.

So, you can put a signature on it.

He has a compliment.

I'm just thinking, though, that in terms of little things too,

If I like the idea, yeah, somebody wants to give it to us for nothing.

If we give them for something to use it for, I would, I would, do you think we should, in other words, have everybody get the same thing?

Right.

Or why not just have it on anything to give to people?

Or maybe that, well, maybe that you could use it as sort of a

Well, he was thinking of saying... Well, that's my point.

I think it should just go to people that come in the office, Bob, and, you know, Congress and Senate.

I mean...

Or somebody that's receiving them.

You could all use mail.

We send things, awards to people and everything, but I just think it's a good idea.

Let's just get 1,000, maybe get another 1,000 after that.

It's a good looking thing.

Maybe since it's free, especially.

I'm curious.

Yeah, but we ought to figure out how, yeah.

No, no, no, no.

He didn't think that was it.

You could say best wishes from or good luck from.

Good luck.

Maybe he said when you want to say good luck.

Yeah, that's right.

Good luck from my, good luck from Richard Nixon.

If there's any way you could cut the... No, let's just do that.

We don't need to put a seal on it.

That is it.

If he is our state chairman and he can't take things like that where you don't send it out, John Mitchell says he sends it out.

Maybe you're going to deal with the Senate president.

Yeah.

That was what Gary was saying.

You could send it to the state chairman and send it to the board of directors.

The state chairman.

Basically.

He'll make $2,000.

You could send him to your state chairman, your women's chairman, your state finance chairman.

And we'd like to have this sort of make a good luck piece.

Yeah.

How about that?

I think that's what we could do.

I'd like a few in the office.

I could have 100 in the office and get a couple thousand for that.

And I'd say state chairman.

There's a state term.

God bless the world not getting that state term.

I remember in New York it was worth 40 states, 30 other states.

But anyway.

How's that sound to you?

It's an idea.

And have Mitchell sent them out.

I thought you would like to have one of the president's good luck pieces.

You take on this responsibility.

Good luck.

What do you say?

I don't think you want to be sunny at 72.

That's really something people around the world have.

When he's coming, I want to do a confirmation of it.

I need to drag it along.

The CIA people have got so many screwballs running around the hill, whispering in the ears of people and the rest.

They might have their money.

I don't know.

I just got on the floor.

Very tired.

That's even more tiring because it's the strain of that.

Well, uh, well, he, yeah.

Because he was the one on the question that I voted against.

I just reported the local paper.

I don't think that's just for my own information.

They said there was a call, she testified, according to this, that the fighter called Marion, you know, regarding the plane.

Is that true or not true?

Apparently not.

But the point is, I need to know if it's true, you know.

It would have been a terribly stupid thing to do, but if I know it, I don't want to get up and lie and say that somebody was so goddamn stupid to get into their financing on Sunday evening.

Is it possible that Ben's replying monitor called him?

It's possible.

That's the problem.

Chuck, I think, knows.

This is a good question.

You know, the staff meeting this morning, we obviously didn't get into it.

Oh, I wish I might have.

Yeah.

That's what I mean.

I agree with you.

Chuck says it's not as scary, but I just want to know what the hell the truth is.

He says it wasn't involved in the line-ups.

I don't know if that's the case.

For what earthly reason would anybody be calling from the White House and so forth about that?

Were we actually trying to finance it?

The San Diego Convention, I'm trying to finance it.

We were aware.

I know what that means, Bob.

We weren't trying to.

Were we so interested in it that we were trying to get people to follow up the money for the dialogue?

That's the point.

That's the only reason.

Anybody in the White House was, with the possible exception of the White House.

I don't know.

I don't know what I'm talking about, so I'm going to ask you after this, okay?

Yes, sir.

You always need to know what the truth is here and there.

I understand how these things happen, but I just want to be sure.

I had a feeling that it probably was more likely to be in the thick twine area.

It's not thick twine as much as they are.

Well, that's what most of those students did.

They did it with police, and I think that's...

He may very well be in it, because at least he wasn't reckoning killing himself as a White House contact when that Peter Beard thought he was a White House contact.

Yeah, I believe he said he was going to come up and turn up under every rock in front of the White House.

What else in general reaction to that night?

Nothing more exactly.

Now, he's like gone now, so it's, where the hell is he gone?

It's not specific.

I'm probably going to go after him soon.

I'm pretty sure.

And they're not going to have him here in history, though, are they?

Well, supposedly not, but then he apparently told Hart if he wanted to finish up with Janine, that he could go ahead and act as chairman and call Janine back.

But we presently face a situation where there's a lot of partisan concern as to what their plan is, is to play the A-4s game on us.

I don't know if the governor did on the 4s.

The guy, he's trying to work out how his plan is working with these.

When Eastland comes back, do we have any judges or anything coming up?

Is there anything we have that they want?

Probably not.

Well, let's be very, very sure.

I want to see if there's anything, any judges or U.S. attorneys from the South in order to, or we always go through that.

See what happens when we meet Eastland pretty well.

I'm going to stop them.

No, I don't want to pay him more.

The deal being, I don't think he's going to play a trade with us.

Well, the plan now, pretty much what he is, but he's got the problem that he won't play very hard with us.

The plan is to say, resume.

When they go back, Eastman has said he'll take no more witnesses.

He'll call the committee into executive session.

I will say that if any member of the committee who voted for the confirmation wants to vote to reconsider, the committee will reconsider.

For example, we wanted them to vote for approval, we'll vote to reconsider.

They have the votes to kill the vote to reconsider.

They will kill the vote to reconsider, and each of them will terminate the hearings on the basis that they have not proven any connection.

And if there is a vote to reconsider and the committee has failed,

Therefore, the committee reports to the floor recommending confirmation.

The report is made very important to the director of the court, which they point out to the Senate, but we can have something that we can't, can't even proceed.

Well, the majority of the report of the committee held that the, you know, the surrogate don't want to go in.

I think that's important.

That's their program.

And that's going to be done not this week, but next week.

At least when we get time.

So we can leave that very soon.

Thank you.

Well, Father, then our next problem will soon be a closure of a lot of farms.

So go over and help us here.

Try and hold it up on the floor.

We'll take a closure move, and we can...

There, they only need their... thirty-three dozen credits on it.

Recently, uh... a boy closure, and then they may be able to keep them and go on and go on.

I'm not sure.

I don't mean that we shouldn't get him.

I don't mean we should drop him.

And we just hang him through and not have him get hurt.

Oh, it makes a hell of an issue out of that.

Yeah, there's... We can't look like we're not going through confirmation.

Unless we take the other side and withdraw.

There's going to be anything with that.

I don't know.

Not now.

Yeah.

and that's why I raised this point with Judge Walters.

Don't get any more confirmation down in the body.

Yeah, I'm going to just start putting my values on it.

We're going to have to have these ambassadors too.

We're just going to have to let the police go in.

Sure.

They don't mean that much to us.

I don't know.

The career was being rough, too, all right, but it's all about getting our...

But also in other fields,

There's any doubt, final advice that we can give.

I think our error here was perhaps not moving on right at the outset.

And I don't know, part of the second guess was that we knew what that was going to do.

The administration, the gentleman who was still with the buddy, all of a sudden took him out.

He looks like a madman.

Wild eyes.

He's a real self.

He's sort of a...

He's a parking lot.

He's been buried.

Right.

Yeah.

You made that one comment to me.

You made two comments to me and I said, so why not tell them?

They all quit.

And she said there was a, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

Somebody was awful stupid to do it.

That's all.

I didn't want to know what it was and find out.

in a figuratively sense.

That's right.

They ought to call the police next after they go on taking more witnesses.

That's the ideal aspect.

It's a problem enough that we shouldn't do it, but...

And now they're dropping one of those things out.

It's been a very fine job.

And it was not necessarily getting a hassle.

It's still working.

It's working.

I don't understand, but I have to make peace.

From a political standpoint, you can't constantly be saying, well, the people that are calling are talking about high prices, they're all about the assholes.

You've probably just got to say, well, we are too high to blame somebody.

It's the way it comes through, at least.

I had thought that he would take the line from my first thing, you know, get the hell off of that one.

But that's what high prices are.

The specifics, with the Zester Peterson, it's going to be about five days.

I mean, the more the bid price is going up, the more the bid price is going to stay down.

It's just, oh, he's got cheaper than me.

It's still there.

Maybe there's just something where Connolly ought to get in there.

That group in, sort of had a little skull-sucking thing.

Yeah.

Connolly brought us around as well.

He was good on the yard side of it.

He's still got his act together with that over in Colson.

You're an agriculture guy who is good.

You got a glint on agriculture.

Whatever it is.

I have to stay out of it at this point.

I may have to get him in and take him out.

I don't think they even have a whole public living council, but I think they should, uh, give a line there.

The boss is probably gonna sit around and keep his fingers on these things.

Yeah.

You got anything on the auto?

That's an issue we have to get on.

And just, we're fighting high group, right?

Nice, bold design.

Keep Shelton out of trouble, so we don't put him in matter until we start to do something with Shelton.

That's what we're talking about and not what we're saying.

We may get a break, you know.

We're thinking about our schedule for the balance of the year.

But, you know, I was on my head and down.

It really gets down to my schedule.

I think

I don't really feel like we've got anybody in the present time else who's got the scope or the experience to do it.

The only one that can approach it is Chasers.

We can carry it out if you're instructing us, but there's nobody over in Central Shop to do that.

We've got Harry Fleming and other people like that there.

That's how the booters are messed up over there.

Or we should have entered that.

But could he have the big picture here and see this thing in terms of...

He's carrying it out.

I've got it.

I have it.

I've got to stay in it.

When I started to sit on top of it, what I'm trying to do is work with Parker and Jason here.

And Parker is, you know, he's a new member of the State Council, and he ended up just doing a couple of good jobs.

I expressed my concern.

I'm not a policy guy.

I expressed my concern, but I don't have the same concern I often have.

I've worked in various areas I've had, except for appearance in California.

And Julie has done nothing in the big states.

See, they've done North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida.

Now that ain't Tennessee, and that's all well and good, but you know, where the action is is Pennsylvania, New York, Ohio, Illinois, California, Indiana, and the less we spend on active and responsive crime in places like Wisconsin.

So where I'm getting at is with Texas.

I think that we now have to really begin zeroing in.

I don't mean that you rule out those smaller states.

As a matter of fact, I think appearances of those small states by lesser, like by Pat and Trish Wood, are good.

I mean, like Wyoming and the rest of the people.

We need those, too.

You know, a few of those I had to go to Illinois.

I got that back.

But, you know, we've gone through, I think, we're taking the state hard to find events in.

We have gone through the state on the basis of where we stand in the state.

Like New York, where we figured we've got an even chance, we've got a 50-40 chance in New York.

Who we're after in the state, that's what our, within New York, what we go for.

In New York, we go, I think, for the conservative, for the Catholic evidence, the blue-collar types, conservatives, right?

The non-New York City people, I'll say,

huge members and a lot of that comes across.

You do not go after black, you do not go after Jews, you do not go after Puerto Ricans because, you know, you just ain't going to get them.

You don't stir them up.

You go for the white ethnic rather than, you go for the Italian ethnic.

The New York suburban area, not the city, the southern county, for example.

Westchester, Nassau, then you go to Albany, maybe Rochester, probably Syracuse, Elmira.

There are a lot of areas around there that are really working.

Then we try to look at what the issues are in that state.

The areas by our polling and anything else we've got is what we're concerned about.

In New York, it's local taxes, property taxes, employment, crime, and pollution in the Buffalo area.

Okay, then you look at any special notes that you gotta deal with, like in New York, Governor Rockefeller's upstate problems still.

Then you look at schedule possibilities, what kinds of things can we do?

We can do in Buffalo an environmental type thing if we wanted.

That's a policeman environment is a matter of concern, general public concern.

We can do some voluntary action type stuff and so on.

And we've done that three states, Illinois, where, yeah, you've got better problems in Illinois.

I mean, better possibilities.

We've got an Army accelerator just 40 miles west of Chicago, which is a good area for us to work.

We've done the same things there.

There's more kinds of people we have here.

What issues are of concern there?

And how can we play from this?

And then what are specific things we can do?

In Chicago, we should identify the person to say we should play our own.

But not over there.

Neither place.

Never over there.

That's right.

I won't say picked up with a gap, but he's always, he's never going to be a plus.

He's a drag.

The other thing we've got to watch in Illinois is the daily problems there, which may play very much to us.

We've got to watch that very closely as to how, what, where we're going to turn and whether or not California

So, we've got Missouri and Pennsylvania.

Yeah, our Pennsylvania crisis, we're hitting exactly the right thing.

Our strengths in Pennsylvania are in the central part of the state and in pretty good shape in Pittsburgh, but we've got a party fight in Pittsburgh, so we won't have problems.

We've got to get work done.

Our weak area is obviously Philadelphia, but we've got an opportunity.

And interestingly enough, our poll shows our standing with Catholics

in Philadelphia is very low.

It's much lower than our standing nationally with the Catholics, which would argue for doing exactly what we are.

There is no better event if you zero in on all these things.

Shaft's popularity is very low.

We can find a grizzle on drugs in Philadelphia, which is another.

Drugs is a big problem.

Crime is a big problem in Philadelphia.

Based on all that, can I ask one other thing?

In terms of this, I didn't emphasize it too strongly in my memo, but be sure to take a heart out of the egg movement.

Egg is our man, and he shouldn't be farting around, you know, building the Vesta National and that sort of thing, and Mississippi Cotton Growers, and New Orleans, you know, beef rig.

I mean, his schedule has really been a loose nut.

I don't know, the White House, as far as we're concerned, or we do agree,

I mean, it's the where.

It's the where you've been, yeah.

Yeah, where.

But you know, hey, it could be a real wallop up there in some of those places.

Let it go, huh?

They say Connelly was a wallop in the Middlesex Club.

Well, that's good.

Connelly's strategy to Texas and the Connelly barbecue is an ideal visit to Connelly's ranch again.

It fits the Texas strategy perfectly.

Yeah, doing rotary in Houston is probably a good idea, even though it's a national convention.

And of course, doing the JCs in Atlanta probably is good for the South, generally.

Right.

It's the capital of the South and does a damn good national record.

California, we've got the analysis now is that we're even in California.

We've got Earth.

We've got the problem of being weak in our strong areas.

We're not as strong as we should be in the areas where San Diego, early Cali, and Southern California.

And we're weak in Northern California, but we always are, respectively.

The problems are the economy and aerospace unemployment still, although that's improving.

There are few areas that you shouldn't go in there and go after the primary.

We've been working with Teeter on this, too.

There he is.

This is one I want to explore.

He says he's concerned that you not over-expose yourself in California.

He thinks we should use other people there.

We need a lot of help in California, but not so much from the president.

We need other people selling from the president.

Now, County, for instance, could be affected as hell in California by a new president.

in the areas that we're included in.

Especially in the Valley, for instance.

There's a very strong conservative core in the Valley.

Yeah, Connelly is a valley type gun.

But I didn't mean to set Orange County on fire.

I said San Diego on fire.

Or I think you ought to go in there.

And Reagan is weak.

And Reagan has no value to a 3B in California now.

Although he can help us some knowing he can.

Although I think you put your finger on a major problem in California, which is the regnum weakness.

Regnum is tied to us like a clamp at the moment, isn't it?

But that's important.

What's important is to keep the kooks off our backs, the buckley types off our backs, correct?

But the other issue there is the environment.

There is a stir on some of the environment stuff there.

Try to do that.

Maybe, on the other hand, I could go into Northern California.

Well, we've got that point race to do in Northern California, then we can give it back right in San Francisco.

I think we've got to get up there sometime.

I don't know what to do.

And Michigan.

And let's get home.

They've added Michigan because of the poll data, which shows that one poll.

Yeah, but it's a good one.

And McGregor, I don't know.

The point group.

You know, they did that TV show in Michigan, Detroit, last night.

I heard they were going to go.

TV talk show.

And they got the press there told them that you were going to take Michigan.

And we hear that always.

Every year we're here to take Michigan.

But anyway, we've got...

Now there you've got, you've got busting is a big issue.

We intervene.

And abortion is a big issue.

And I assume we're on the right side of the abortion issue.

Maybe we're not.

Well, I am.

I mean, for the Michigan voters.

I don't know.

It's on the ballot.

There's an abortion referendum on the ballot.

You know them.

If you get a pull on that, you're a right-of-way here, because that's the kind of thing we're doing here, is checking that.

In other words, we're on a financial position.

The problem can't be changed, unfortunately.

But people locally may be for it.

I'll tell you why.

Not for themselves.

Great.

You know, I was going to mention to you that I think we ought to make an asset out of that civil rights march here.

I suppose you can't do it.

I know we've done some.

I thought it was great what they said.

What they said, you know, at that time.

Some of our guys were great.

Jumped on it afterwards.

Also, I assume you're, I see four things that we ought to be getting out there.

One, we ought to get a strong back on the meeting then.

In other words, make an exit out of the meeting and take on Muskie and Humphrey.

Connelly, I think, is going to have to do that.

And to Rumsfeld, maybe I'll do it.

To Rumsfeld, he's a little cutting edge, actually.

He's going to break through a little bit.

I don't see why he can't take them on.

Do you agree?

Sure.

Second, the issue of busing there is mostly regional.

And where the vaccine is, but yes, in the anti-busing stance.

Which we there, we've got to act over ourselves.

Third, the issue of drugs.

Here, just continue to hammer what we're doing.

And fourth, and this is the most important of all, because it's the one where we have the greatest strength, is the man's peace.

Where we've got to get everybody out.

That's where you've got to get the kitchen schedule going.

You've got to get the scallop schedule going.

I wouldn't wait for those damn pandas to get here, or whatever it is that's going on.

It's all that I'm supposed to be thinking about for a couple of weeks.

Couldn't he get out and do some things before that?

Sure.

I still think there's a lake.

I have a feeling myself that, you see, it's four weeks ago today we came back to China.

And while there's a great deal of everybody to talk to, there's a great deal of lake interest in it still.

Yeah.

That's it.

As far as the press and others were concerned, they tried to sink it without a trace.

And I don't know.

Is there any way Rogers could get the hell out and start making some speeches?

He really ought to do that at this time.

He may not have heard about China.

Well, he should.

They told me Green did very well on this program.

I said, don't show it to Henry.

He may have said the wrong thing about Taiwan or something.

Did you see Green?

No, I didn't see him.

I read my hour with him as well.

Give me what you say.

Part of the thing with the State Department is that Henry does not have well enough to find Bob.

Is it?

You get, sure, a lot of them are nice, but a lot of them just don't know what the hell the line is.

So you get in and say, gee, could you get out and say this and that kind of thing.

I spent all my time with Green that way.

I didn't argue with him.

You see, Henry, I have seven teachers.

And he will sit in a field, pout, you know, and rifle through his papers and all the rest.

and make the video right there, but none of the son's pictures, and no one invited me.

And I said, Rick Fox, you've done a marvelous job, and we appreciate it.

You get across the point, and everybody thinks that this is a great thing that happened.

He said, well, I believe that.

He said, it's given us new hope out there.

He said, that's what everybody tells me.

And you see, Henry isn't saying that.

You see, Henry argues and debates about, well, I want to tell you about the communicating lie that did not sell Taiwan down, about the trees, the wood, the pollen, all that.

Enormously impressive, but not worth a shit in terms of selling the president.

With Marshall Green, I'll bet you did better at selling the president than Henry did in his background.

I don't know, but I would guess the problem is

Bill Rogers got down.

He finally got out in four weeks.

And I don't hate him, incidentally.

Not in Washington.

You know, get the hell out.

Bill could be great at the executives club in Chicago, if you know what I mean.

Then going on television, on the talk show.

I think the regional TV thing.

One thing that I really was, felt that, I realized, as you know, from the time we returned to China in 2018, from the 16th to the 18th,

And it wasn't one, it wasn't anything.

I didn't do anything.

And mine is all that really mattered, you see.

Now, in terms of the, you know, there is where Scali, Kissinger, Rogers, might have been out, but also in terms of that, there was a group vacuum which Cabot officers

and other spokesmen could well have failed.

Now, my view is they probably tried.

They did, but they couldn't break through.

I know that Herman had about, every two days, he had a domestic program to announce.

It made, well, it made it more difficult.

Those only injured, the people with dangers, they're not called insurers.

Well.

Do you get what I mean?

I think what we ought to do,

is to start rethinking the cabinet thing in terms of regional shows.

I think we should rethink Agnew in terms of regional shows.

Agnew's not, Agnew's being blanked out in the national media box.

He really is.

He's really getting the kick in the ass.

Do you agree or not?

Yeah, he picked up a little bit.

They picked him up on this, he did a damn good speech down somewhere, a little place in Georgia, in some national media.

It was a good speech, and it wasn't.

but quit running down America.

And he did a good job of making the case for what's right and what this country has accomplished.

And this was standard.

But he got some thoughts on it, because he kicked the directives of the governors.

There must be people driving the country to get it around.

But everybody else got a little bit of his foot on it.

But other people followed up on it until the election.

Followed up, followed up.

The other issue that may or may not be important, it's not our positive issue, but it's the issue they're making on fake business.

No, it's the economy, but in terms of taxes.

This is very frank about this, and I think he's maybe overreacting a little bit.

I'm not so sure how much.

You see Wallace, very cleverly, he was doing a superb job in Wisconsin.

He moved in there and he said, I went down to Florida and I talked about busing.

And I said, you give me a big boat to Florida and next we'll do something about the busing problem.

And he gave me a big boat, they gave me a big boat to Florida and next we did something about the busing problem.

Now here, I'm not talking about busing, I'm talking about taxis.

And let me tell you, those Democrats, they've got 109 years of service in the United States.

And what they do in those 109 years, I don't think somebody's concerned about their tax reforms.

And he's thinking, we've got to, what he's thinking about, which is the same thing he was thinking about before, but in a different approach to it.

And he just isn't really trying to, in this case, just cutting spending.

His argument is you can't cut taxes anymore.

If you cut money, you cut that down.

He still thinks we ought to off this federal welfare program unless it allows us to spend much more.

Except if you cut spending, if you say let's cut spending, they're going to let you cut the children's school lunch programs and food stamps, but they're going to cut his IVNs and submarines and bullets.

And that's about a week.

Likely to win, probably, at this point, and it wouldn't be a very good fight.

He's still got 80 million bucks in defense, and there's the easy one to cut from the point of the left hand.

But, Bob, we've been around this, and we just don't know what the hell to cut.

I'd like to cut the whole goddamn thing off.

Yeah, yeah.

But what the hell do they, do the shells ever come off quick?

Or early?

They're working on them, aren't they?

Incidentally, McGregor was a Minnesota girl.

Didn't really need to stand out there.

Oh, his little town again?

Yeah.

Christ.

He gave a retirement dinner for it or something.

I remember what it was.

And Mark says it's very interesting because the people there are absolutely intense.

Humphreys kind of lived in Wisconsin.

Wallace had come in second.

I think they do, absolutely.

They're served, basically.

So what he said, Bob says, it's a tough right now.

And a lot of our people are going to switch across.

A lot of them go up the walls.

And walls.

You see, Bob just grew up in that class.

That's not bad, because those are people who were both brash for a better life.

I'm sure they ought to be encouraged.

I don't think so.

I'm sure you're aware of it.

The Democratic group was two to one against us in the Wisconsin crime in 1960.

and 2 to 1, literally, in 1968.

It doesn't mean anything.

So we've got to put that fact out there.

That's my question.

If we could keep getting that out now, then they'll say we're trying to do it.

So we're trying to do it.

The word gets through, doesn't it?

Yeah.

And that, we meant it.

Plus, in fact, I think we should say we expect it to be even less this time, because there is no contest at all in the Republican Party.

And Nixon's not there.

And it's the key contest for the Democrats, which has since been built.

It's a major break.

It's a major break for the Democrats.

Well, Hart is not dumb as a politician.

He's a terrible bastard.

But he just may figure out how he's going to get it.

A week or two of the agronomy show, we showed most of those people how they got put up here.

I mean, you know, those parts are, they're all the ones that went, they're, I think just a month ago, they were all those, they must be the ones that put us back and forth.

Yeah.

So that's good for them.

They put them on, and whoever gets the things, they said someone, they were, yeah, said he would.

Yeah.

Since he's at California School,

to take some time off.

Take a little time off.

Is he in Arlington?

Yeah.

He's got a place there.

Over on, I guess, the Suns and Stanford.

Oh, yeah.

They don't call him unless he has other life interests.

Unless it's like with Henry and John.

No, he is like Henry.

John takes time off.

Yeah.

He called me the other night and said he was very pleased with the way the press conference went.

He said it was terrific.

He said, I didn't know Peter was going to have a TV show, but I saw him out here.

And he had some sort of commentary show that he does.

He did the whole half-hour show.

It was at the press conference.

It was terrific.

He had all the questions.

Very, very positive space.

Very believable.

That's what he said.

So the press went on.

And it's still reverberating through the newspaper.

It is reverberating.

Yeah.

I think, you know, in my thinking over the weekend, well, it wasn't a good year, but the weekend's off.

But, you know, you figure that we had an average of one and three quarters, and then a three-tenth worse with,

with this much harder news.

That is hard news.

Christ, behind it, that should have been six or seven minutes, the president speaking.

I don't know if there's a reason for it.

Even if we had been on film, I think we would have gotten six or seven minutes.

But the television is really, really down on anything which does not allow television to be on the MTV.

At the same point, they all made the point that the cameras weren't allowed in the press conference.

Is there...

When I got to dinner, it was worth doing, but it could have been done more.

And yet, in a sense, we have really set it up to feel free to do whatever the hell we want on TV from now on.

Nobody's going to help.

Nobody can say a damn word from now on.

Here we go.

I mean, read your commentaries.

Excuse me, was I right about taking that we should have that kind of conference?

No, no, that wasn't it.

He just had a substance.

He scored some good points.

Yeah.

This is the first slide of this state-by-state study.

Yeah, we're going here.

Now, let's debate about what we're trying to do.

The family thing, you know, I don't really...