{"conversationCode":"328-009","tapeNumber":328,"conversationNumber":9,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-328-009","startDateTime":"1972-03-27T18:09:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-03-27T19:15:00.000Z","startDate":"27-Mar-1972","startTime":"1:09 PM","endDate":"27-Mar-1972","endTime":"2:15 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President);","description":"On March 27, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:09 pm and 2:15 pm. 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Flanigan\n                -Michael Gravel","filename":["328-009.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:19:29","tapeEnd":"01:23:39","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)"],"prevCode":"328-008","nextCode":"328-010","transcript":[{"start":0.1,"end":26.3,"text":"...over this, uh, Alaska pipeline thing."},{"start":26.32,"end":28.72,"text":"Uh, but, uh, just, uh, you know, we've all, uh, we've all, uh, Alaska, you know, all, uh, the Alaska pipeline, you know,"},{"start":29.53,"end":58.17,"text":"My question is, is it worth"},{"start":58.91,"end":84.71,"text":"I'm not very impressed with the idea that this is going to be a great thing."},{"start":84.73,"end":85.55,"text":"It's going to make a lot of fools for us."},{"start":85.57,"end":86.22,"text":"Forget the international impact."},{"start":86.23,"end":87.4,"text":"I'd rather not help them for other reasons."},{"start":88.07,"end":111.24,"text":"But in terms of that, the other thing we have, one thing we're sure of, is the job in Alaska."},{"start":111.26,"end":113.48,"text":"Another thing that is problematical, that is the question of, are we helped by turning off the Alaska pipeline?"},{"start":113.5,"end":115.66,"text":"The point on the latter part is that, in regards to the negative issues, we don't have to make the decision."},{"start":117.21,"end":141.71,"text":"by myself against the thousands of people in California and other places in the United States because we haven't decided against the Alaskan people."},{"start":141.73,"end":142.05,"text":"That's my point."},{"start":142.07,"end":142.75,"text":"I don't think this has to be done."},{"start":142.77,"end":143.15,"text":"I'm not interested."},{"start":143.17,"end":144.29,"text":"First, I'm not interested in the international football."},{"start":144.31,"end":144.98,"text":"I don't care about the community."},{"start":145,"end":145.18,"text":"Secondly,"},{"start":145.7,"end":167.45,"text":"... ... ... ... ..."},{"start":167.99,"end":190.93,"text":"I think that there's really a lot going on."},{"start":190.95,"end":192.68,"text":"I think there's a lot of spotlight here on Ashley Hunter Gravel or somebody like that."},{"start":192.69,"end":193.9,"text":"It's pretty clear that at this time, it's not a negotiation."},{"start":193.92,"end":194.88,"text":"They don't, they're hoping to do the same thing."},{"start":194.9,"end":195.62,"text":"They're hoping to do the same thing."},{"start":195.64,"end":196.36,"text":"They're hoping to do the same thing."},{"start":196.38,"end":197.1,"text":"They're hoping to do the same thing."},{"start":197.4,"end":198.05,"text":"Yeah."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon dictated a memorandum to formalize his stance on the proposed Alaska pipeline, weighing its domestic benefits against international and environmental complexities. He identified job creation in Alaska and the potential reduction in oil prices for the West Coast as key political advantages for the 1972 election cycle. Despite pressure from stakeholders like Senator Mike Gravel, Nixon expressed skepticism regarding the project's diplomatic implications and concluded that a final decision did not require immediate unilateral action.","topics":["Alaska Pipeline","Energy Policy","1972 Presidential Election","Oil Prices","Mike Gravel","Environmental Regulation"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T15:15:50.193Z"},"topicSlugs":["alaska-pipeline","energy-policy","1972-presidential-election","oil-prices","mike-gravel","environmental-regulation"],"audioDurationSec":198,"audioFiles":[{"file":"328-009.mp3","bytes":7927448,"durationSec":198.05,"bitrate":320212,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:41.569Z","transcriptGapSeconds":173,"transcriptGapShare":0.87,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/328-009.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/328-009","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/328/conversation-328-009","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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