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Well, further knowledge?

No, it's night there now.

We won't get anything out until...

It looks they have only one regiment up north.

If they're not gonna make it, they're through.

And so we really should stay calm.

They're putting everything into this attack.

Who's gonna operate it?

The North Vietnamese in exactly one direction and left their whole country.

Oh, I see.

They're just committed.

Everything else is in this attack.

And they were the ones that passed away.

Yeah.

So, of course, if you put everything into one attack, so we really have to stay calm about it.

I mean, if it's not addressed to you, it's addressed to this town, because there's no one here that they can't.

I think if one of the things is going to happen now, either the Saudis are going to cry, or they're going to hold, or the war is going to end.

Because if they can't make it now, they're going to take such heavy losses that they cannot do it again for another year and a half.

And that's a rather, you know, losing is a good opportunity also.

But, uh,

We had no reason to get to a school that didn't have a white kid.

We had to bear in mind that we were going to have to grow up to be four years or whatever.

Now, I don't know if that's true, but we had to find sections.

I don't know if that's true.

Each time that I attended, each time that I was there, I knew it was not true.

If we could have kept the $100,000 plan there, we could have been able to go about this better than that.

Yep.

It was meant to be in the United States.

That's right.

No, no.

You have no choice.

We've got more troops there than we have any doubt you have.

Well, there's more troops in the dam.

We're just about to limit the goddamn country of support.

That's right.

At least we'll be on.

No, there's no good in that.

We're really going to be real tight.

But that isn't really the problem at the moment.

I don't think there's troops.

At the present time, we've just got to recognize them as South Vietnamese and

But on the other hand, if you look at the country, they're screwing around up here in the northern part of the country.

All of the rest, as far as you heard about pacification being destroyed, what the hell, what about the Delta, what about the, what about around Saigon?

They were fighting in Saigon.

They were fighting all the way.

That's right.

The Delta was the least safe area, but it's now the safest area.

I refuse to be requestful of those.

And it is true, they have just passed this on to us.

I haven't figured out why it would be.

And I recommend it to you.

You've got to just check this, but it's not the end of it.

I know I have all the information.

I wanted to do a three-day strike in an arc 15 miles along the border of Laos and North Vietnam.

I felt that to strike so soon after coming back from China was going to take the whole debate and start it again on China.

It was the worst time.

I thought, I'll let my dad go now.

would force the Russian, it was written on China.

It would probably force Vietnam, I agree.

And it might risk the recumbent Russian forces.

And on the other hand, Vietnam is lost in Vietnam.

No, it is, but they ought to put back only Sandside, Mr. President.

No, I remember that.

They didn't want to attack with just its government.

Now, Vietnam will not be lost, but if they do, it's not Sandside.

Three days.

Except that they say, Henry, that...

I have to take the responsibility for the fact that I recommended to you that we should write everything back so that we could send it back to you now.

Laird did not object to that.

In fact, Laird was one of the people, Laird thinking about us, thanks to him, was passing a sheet of staff recommendations forward.

So I didn't arrive here.

I thought this would work.

But if I had wanted to get it done, I mean, I can't lie to you.

I mean, we've made a few things.

I would have heard it too.

And I didn't do that if I had any money to get it done.

And I didn't.

And so I just wanted to say it was fair and to bear it.

I bear the responsibility for this.

And I don't think it's easy.

South Vietnam is going to be lost as a result of this.

I think we are going to have to take it.

We have to take it.

The cost in place now, we have to balance it against a number of other things.

We have to strike without provocation.

Anything that happens now will be charged with attack.

I think it's the right thing.

I just wanted to be sure if you don't really know what the record is.

So when the military started whining, they started whining.

I just thought it was good to see what they were doing.

I know it's

Yeah.

And, uh, I, uh, because he'd written a very interesting article in the New York Times, you know, it's an all-out piece, you know, he's kind of discovered my life, you know, so he's had to delete things that goes on in his government, not to delete, because every day he can see the documents, and he doesn't do the trash before he gets it, because he doesn't want to take any of those documents.

but I'll leave that aside, but he said, I'm not sure he was, but he said that he got 40 Vulcans from two years before, and just to see around 40 Vulcans in these, under these conditions, I was looking pretty disappointed now that he's got a high-ranking officer.

He's got a high-ranking person.

Anyway, but the interesting thing,

he said was that in all the talks he had in Hanoi, they were talking about Stalin.

And he said that he spoke to his British ambassador, and also to a person who had talked to back then, when Zhou Enlai was there.

He was in Hanoi when Zhou Enlai was there.

And he said Zhou Enlai absolutely embraced the Hanoi.

Because if that thing sounds right to me,

because the attacks on China started after Zhou Enlai had beaten them.

Secondly, he said that Zhou Enlai allegedly said to Fan Guandong, when was the cut made for March 4th after the trip?

Apparently Zhou Enlai said to Fan Guandong, and the reason I'm thinking of the details is because you recognize that he said, apparently Zhou Enlai said to Fan Guandong,

President Nixon's dream is subtle and clever now.

He hasn't asked me to be an intermediate.

And I'm therefore not coming to you as an intermediate.

However, as an ally, I'm obliged to tell you what President Nixon told me.

And President Nixon simply stated to me his position without asking me to repeat it.

But I hold you as a disciple of his commitment.

Now that sounds

Which is exactly, which is exactly right and I don't see where they could have gotten this from.

But it's so, it's so accurate.

And apparently, Go ahead and say they're not in that position of being, you know, we're there.

But I will not accept it when it's every settlement.

And if they, they start to pass through, that's a good, it's not directly an issue.

And it's of course a very clever way for the Chinese to act too, that they say I'm not an intermediary.

But as an ally, I must tell you what the president is saying.

And, uh, we had a totally racial reason.

We used to have a love who used to be not a good man, and for no reason we used to have a gay man.

Now we've got the, we've got the wrong case, but it's a healthy time to complain about your life.

And, uh, not that it's even worse, but they did say there's a stalemate in the sound.

We recognize we don't have to be concerned

I don't think Steve would usually say the opposite.

I haven't seen people who have also said it's interesting, but they're not attacking it.

I'm sorry, I don't think they're attacking it.

Let me say this.

You've got to realize that drugs are so-called pain.

Nobody's doing that.

We're not doing that.

Well, no, none of you are doing that.

It's so fun.

It's a matter of time until I get to the trigger point now.

when, uh, you know what I mean?

And, uh, I said, well, honestly, I don't know if that's what they want.

And we were just, uh, we were gonna, like, personally feel that, uh, we just, uh, wanted to do it because, you know, she's really cool.

And, uh,

At least getting back to what I want to talk to you about is this curious business of the Air Force and the, you know, work.

I've been there and also ordered to be made.

I don't want the lair.

I do not want the lair.

To be able to set that thing in a line on this.

And we ordered a 48-hour strike in the north when he was advising that he do it in the battle area.

It's not like, uh...

We don't, we don't react when they come marching across the goddamn borders on a great occasion, or reciprocally instead of not watching them at all.

This, this bunch, you know, is, uh, we're reading the, uh, you know, we're reading on the map now, the rows of Cambodia, there could be some of them who've given us crap, you know, the crap, to the effect that we were fighting the war.

We were going, you know, we were fighting the war now.

That's the line that we want to go around.

I think that what has to happen I don't think we should have, for example,

I know that since then.

I think the power of the layers comes together.

Part of the position here, so to say, we're going back to the lowest of these, the plate, the base.

I just said, you know, I get one in the community, and we have one here, and there's one here, and there's one here, and there's one here.

And also, all the strokes

and there are still some Americans there.

You know, if there's a total rout, it would be a little hard to get them out of there, which is for a number of reasons.

Some people need to turn off, you know.

But so far, Jew is not acting.

He's taking food from the truck, that's a bad one.

Yeah, I've asked about that.

Yeah.

Everyone so far sees the cost there.

Of course, we've got to get as much time on the piece as possible.

I think if the attacks continue, I'll have to go there.

Oh, no question about it.

No question about it.

I'll be all the folks that we would resume on the Syracuse Directive at all times, and I think we can do that.

I don't want to put this in place, but I think we can do it.

I think we can do it.

That makes you just this.

Now that's, that's just what's coming up for us.

But I would recommend that if you didn't, if you hadn't asked for this interview,

We had to ask for it.

We ran a great risk, but they were doing it that way.

I think we should give, we've already told them that we got the good news.

I think what we should tell them is, if I was there, in fact, even now, if they phoned at me, we couldn't try to use it.

And if we had that particular chance, what are you going to say to them?

What are you going to tell them about it?

What do you know about it?

I wait until later to cancel it.

On the documentary course, we were able to understand the effects and the memories from our time in the United States.

We were able to understand the time of love, the time of love, and the way that it could be collapsed in time.

And today, right now, we're going to be on a low-power project.

I checked this morning and I got the treatment.

I found out that his back was 4,000 feet.

I said, how about the A1s?

We don't have any A1s there.

Those are not good flow support airplanes.

We've got to do something with that goddamn airplane.

But they're also getting more and more A4s now.

I was going to say, the trouble with the modern hunters, they're so high performance.

They say the lowest they can climb is at 2,500 feet, but they're not good at 2,500 feet.

So they need a 4,000 foot figure.

Did you ask more of the direct question?

What in the hell is the trouble?

And I have a close support portion of those men.

Because they've got a sort of experience that they all want.

The most modern hunter out there is one.

I really am very interested in the disability reaction that they had to a team because they had about 10 of those heavy injuries.

I think we are well positioned on this.

We are well positioned to say we agree with this in the sense that there is no one else on the press who is concerned about that attack.

That's good.

Now we don't care for the territory of the country.

We care more for the country, more for the war of the country.

Now, other than they can't protect the people up there, they can't protect the people up there, they can't manage to decide on who lost the war, because of what the territory is, you will know.

Now they have the enemies, they have the demos, and so this can be a hell of an opportunity.

Well, I don't know whether we have got airplanes, but the actual, you ordered a strike and said anchor, we couldn't get it on.

I remember at the time of this, of this raid, it wasn't appropriate, we couldn't get it on.

The orders were trying to remember they couldn't get it on.

Last year, they couldn't get one on for four weeks in February and March.

So, here we are in April.

But the weather should turn to the next month or so.

We can't say for sure.

I remember it was on the end of May.

It was a big event.

It was a major job.

It was on the end.

In January, the weather was bad.

Once we got it there, it was pretty good.

It was pretty good.

That didn't happen.

And then he made the decision to go back to the palace room and watch that baby.

But he was acting federally about the people he was doing it with.

And he said it was not a good idea.

He said he thought it was not a good idea.

And he said he was very interested in the easiest thing there.

He said he wanted to go back and stay a little bit behind, but he thought it was a good idea.

He said he couldn't have done that if he hadn't done it himself.

But I think also, I think from a technical, military standpoint,

We are training them to fight the wrong war.

That's the part.

We are training them to be a great, god-damned, big, fat American.

And if we should fight, we'll be Russians.

If we can't fight, we've got to live in America.

Should we be thinking of what we're going to do?

I don't get it.

What is it?

I don't know.

75% of the people in that country live south.

We do not.

We do do it.

We do it and then we also do the same thing.

into the back of the territory and what they're going to do.

And then they should bargain with what's left, but then they shouldn't sell it because there's no reason to sell it.

They can't go one and two for it, they can go three and four for it.

But they ought to be asking for what's left.

This is their mark on the United States.

And they are putting everything in the, you know, the, you know, how some of these doctors do.

Well, Henry, that is the, that's the saving grace of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the,

I'm beginning to think now, Mr. President, that what you all are trying to think about is that they decided that they'd better not attack there until they got their supplies ready because they were afraid that if they attacked the country, it would knock out their supplies more than the EMTs and they could get the other attacks.

So they wanted to do their way in order to do it in some way.

And now he's going to hit me.

The other hand, if I had known the military, they probably wouldn't have done anything.

All they would have done is come out to the south side.

So they can do anything now.

My view is, in retrospect, my view is that we had to wait until we were given.

We had to wait.

Now we have waited until we were given.

And we had to wait until we were given.

Now, even the little batch in the state, you know, fortunately, they won't be wearing a hat on.

There was such a thing that you could barely see them wearing a hat on.

.

You won't catch it.

They're attacking us rather than we're invading them.

This is why we're coming back from China.

We would have had no one do it.

I think our decision was right.

And it would have put the BSM issue into the sky.

But it was the main part of the map.

It was the white part of the map that was said.

It was right over other people.

It was right because we had to have some public opinion on our side.

And I think we were closer to the election.

And so that was another thing to do.

Our decision now is much more political.

If they have the three big hands, then you can forget about September.

Then I'm coming back.

You remember that?

You had a lot of people that said they're not going to come back.

Or maybe they were attacking September.

They're going to be so screwed up.

If they don't rest, they're going to be so screwed up.

Then I'm coming back in September.

Well, I don't think we have too much time, but then you're right, you know, we don't have much choice.

There is a great reason for it, but actually one thing that has to happen is we have to go home.

I'm sure it's going to be real.

We have to do it.

I don't know what's going to happen.

I'm going to tell it.

You've got the good in Trinia.

You've got a lot of good things.

You can't expect us to help you.

And we are not going to be deceived.

Go to them.

I'm going to turn in your camera.

All these initiatives that we've done.

That's it.

We showed our good will about the Poland matter.

That's it.

... ... ... ... ... ...

I just, I think you just say, well, I think if we don't hear tomorrow, what I meant is, what the hell, why do we, what's that play there again?

You know, I sent this quarter of the message to the Chinese.

None of this.

Yeah, where they get...

before they lecture this.

What'd you say of the fact?

I'd be understanding if you had to do some stuff that you could do.

But that's better than our relationship has been all along.

We've looked at the other side of the point of view.

North End's asking us to accept seven points, but the other side is to go with the other side of the program all the way.

And, uh, it's polite, but it's very sharp.

And, uh, I think...

Here we go.