{"conversationCode":"330-015","tapeNumber":330,"conversationNumber":15,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-330-015","startDateTime":"1972-04-05T16:43:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-04-05T16:44:00.000Z","startDate":"5-Apr-1972","startTime":"11:43 AM","endDate":"5-Apr-1972","endTime":"11:44 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.;","description":"On April 5, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 11:43 am to 11:44 am. 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(President)","Colson, Charles W."],"prevCode":"330-014","nextCode":"330-016","tapeTranscriptFile":"330a.mp3,330b.mp3,330c.mp3","transcript":[{"start":8470.21,"end":8473.19,"text":"Let me say, I have decided to run."},{"start":8473.21,"end":8475.53,"text":"I think that we just run."},{"start":8475.55,"end":8476.15,"text":"Let's try."},{"start":8476.21,"end":8476.83,"text":"That's an issue."},{"start":8476.85,"end":8480.32,"text":"If we do it that way, I want to put it there however, what they want to do."},{"start":8480.34,"end":8481.98,"text":"I'm against the legalization of marijuana."},{"start":8482.08,"end":8485.12,"text":"I know this stuff is carefully left out."},{"start":8485.34,"end":8486.12,"text":"You know what I mean?"},{"start":8486.34,"end":8488.56,"text":"It will be dealt only with heroin."},{"start":8488.58,"end":8493.2,"text":"Don't you think I should put it in?"},{"start":8493.34,"end":8493.92,"text":"Or do you?"},{"start":8494.5,"end":8496.89,"text":"Why not raise that issue?"},{"start":8497.17,"end":8498.05,"text":"Why limit it to heroin?"},{"start":8500.51,"end":8501.49,"text":"The legalization of marijuana."},{"start":8501.53,"end":8505.69,"text":"And the argument is the settlement of the kid matter is..."},{"start":8505.71,"end":8509.58,"text":"I think you shouldn't have that."},{"start":8509.6,"end":8511.1,"text":"It will make the parents happy."},{"start":8511.28,"end":8516.94,"text":"The parents are the ones that are going to vote for the kids."},{"start":8517.1,"end":8522.93,"text":"And the marijuana-smoking kids are the ones that are going to have to get home a lot of the time."},{"start":8522.95,"end":8523.39,"text":"I don't think so."},{"start":8523.47,"end":8523.99,"text":"It's not your kids."},{"start":8524.01,"end":8526.27,"text":"In fact, your kids are the ones who don't want to..."},{"start":8526.33,"end":8529.41,"text":"There's a lot of kids who say, for God's sake, don't legalize it."},{"start":8529.51,"end":8529.85,"text":"Harder."},{"start":8530.18,"end":8532.73,"text":"Yeah, kids who use marijuana."},{"start":8532.84,"end":8539.43,"text":"One friend of my daughter's."},{"start":8539.57,"end":8540.94,"text":"Okay, good."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":8417.5,"end":8577.375,"startMethod":"silence","endMethod":"silence"},"transcriptConfidence":"medium","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Charles Colson discuss campaign strategy regarding the potential inclusion of marijuana legalization as a political issue. Nixon seeks advice on whether to take a firm stance against legalization to appeal to parental concerns, rather than limiting anti-drug rhetoric to heroin. Colson argues that opposing legalization would resonate with a broad base, including younger individuals who do not support the drug's widespread use.","topics":["Campaign Strategy","Marijuana Legalization","Drug Policy","Electoral Politics","Public Opinion"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T15:26:25.486Z"},"topicSlugs":["campaign-strategy","marijuana-legalization","drug-policy","electoral-politics","public-opinion"],"audioDurationSec":27,"audioFiles":[{"file":"330a.mp3","bytes":117422196,"durationSec":7338.89,"bitrate":128000,"missing":false},{"file":"330b.mp3","bytes":117272910,"durationSec":7329.56,"bitrate":128000,"missing":false},{"file":"330c.mp3","bytes":96154779,"durationSec":6009.67,"bitrate":127999,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":true,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:41.907Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/330a.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/330b.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/330c.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/330-015","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/330/conversation-330-015","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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