{"conversationCode":"330-038","tapeNumber":330,"conversationNumber":38,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-330-038","startDateTime":"1972-04-12T20:09:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-04-12T20:20:00.000Z","startDate":"12-Apr-1972","startTime":"3:09 PM","endDate":"12-Apr-1972","endTime":"3:20 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On April 12, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:09 pm and 3:20 pm. 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