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3.30 is all right now.

Well, I've got five more minutes, and I've got to go.

I'll buzz you.

You ask the doctor to call me when he gets off the line, and you call me, and I'll make it.

Yeah, yeah, I've told him I've been waiting for a call from the pulpit, and I think I'm going to call Bob this morning.

I'll finish this.

But I hope, and you told him that I felt that you ought to go to discuss not only this, but the summit itself.

That's what I'll make a sale of them, too.

And how did the debt get through?

You've got to keep the Russian thing in, and hang in Canada.

What's your name?

We're going to knock the level down.

I'm changing the level a little bit.

In the meantime, you get up there to the other... Is the weather improving?

Yeah.

Would you have any objection if... You'll get me back to New York if I had a...

I won't have a chance to see if I'm going to stay up there tomorrow and go around.

Could I have a chance to see you there?

Or should I do a nice day together at one time?

You know what I mean.

I just like to give him.

I want him to have a feeling.

Or maybe he doesn't need it.

Good God, I guess not.

My feeling is how about my taking him with me up to Camp David and seeing him for an hour there tonight and sending him back.

Fine.

I tell him to be ready to go with me at 4.30.

And then he can come back around 7 o'clock tonight.

Is that all right?

Fine.

Okay.

Fødder.

Yeah.

I'm having cake at 4.32, so I can talk to him on the way back there and back.

He's coming back tonight.

So I had to help him understand by the way he's back after I made it.

Well, I was going to have a talk with him, but we're out of time.

I don't know.

I'll never be back.

And, uh, I'm tired of trying, yes, fighting through Mitchell.

4.30 is the approximate time.

No problem.

Anybody can go.

Gates is fine.

Or the little girl over there.

Beverly is fine.

One day I'll come over there.

I don't think it's the right time.

I have to go to... No.

They were going to have 40 minutes.

It's all right, it's all right.

I always had it over the wrong thing.

I had it paid off the Saturday.

You see, you spend a moment on this.

And where?

Never take the long view.

That's why I need your support.

They will be shaken with their ideas.

At least no synagogues, with no support from the state or the federal.

Or I brought a chicken in the ass and went along and said we've got to take him.

He had a letter, and I finally got a letter that showed him that the strongman was one of the good men of this episode.

I finally got him henryed against the Russian people in the next secretary of state.

That's it.

Once he told us, once he heard what we wanted, he was like that.

So we got a bus that goes there, that ought to be around.

We put all our chips in the box, and I decided to put all our chips in the box.

Teddy and Gilbert are both, now there's one thing, Bob, you've got to make a note of.

Teddy and Gilbert are both out there.

I want Joel and others to continue, and our people to continue to attack them for being out there.

Attack them for undercutting the commander in chief.

...is to really prick the boil now.

Rather than let the son of a bitch still be hanging around here in September and October.

And that's why we're, I agree, trying to foment it in Christ's way.

And I'm sure it didn't go unnoticed, but they pressed me with a small rise when I did it that first day, and I'm a hundred.

But as I'm sure you know, I'm over there, practically all over the State Department, and I should have had a disarming conference.

I said something about the very nature of human strength.

I've got it loud and clear, but when they made me sit down, man, they didn't put the television camera on anybody else's face when they were saying it.

That's what I was trying to look for.

I stayed up and watched all the newscasts to see what I could see on them.

They got him after, later, but they didn't get him long in the Senate.

That's where it's at.

In other words, you've got this game now.

In position.

All right, now.

Time-wise, Mr. President, I think this is great.

Now.

Because they will have the capacity to do the best they can do.

That's what we like to do.

That's the sign.

That's the protest.

They don't protest.

That's the part of the writing that these people don't understand.

They always refer to psychology, and they prefer to go through all that stuff.

I wanted to talk to you a little about what we did, and I just read it, and I really thought, why did your old friend speak wrong?

Yeah.

And he looked through the box, and he said, number one, he said, half of the computer was part of it,

We could have as early as June, which is before the end of October.

As Steve Robinson says, it's true that we're still trying to do it, but we'll come back to it.

One way or the other, we'll be working on it.

We'll either be kicking it, or we'll be passing it, or we'll be firing on it, passing it, which is what we need to do.

I know we've hired a couple of them to play around here, so they have to go on.

We haven't addressed them in Parliament,

I thought I'd done.

We ought to, you and I, close to you, particularly the clients we've spoken to, and the clients that we've spoken to, make a decision now, if we need to talk to them, if we need to hear from them, if we need to talk to them, if we need to talk to them, if we need to talk to them, if we need to talk to them, if we need to talk to them,

The reason we do it now is that if we do anything on it, I'm trying to do it on my position.

The situation, because of birds and herbs and food,

I'll tell you the truth, I'll tell you the truth, I'll tell you the truth, John, it wouldn't worry if you asked my name to go, he's not very, you know, subtle, not the brightest guy in the world in terms of public relations, but that way it wouldn't be too much, and it wouldn't worry if you asked my name to go, or whoever else they called, I guess, whoever else they wanted to call, I don't know, the real part of it is history, that's what they're asking, that's what I'm saying.

You must remember that Irwin is making a point.

He is talking about such conversations with third parties, not the president, with respect to climate change and the points he wants to make.

And there is also a thought, I don't know if it really goes the way you wrote it down in the second session, that since they have the resolution of germanness there,

Many today voted in the executive session to take votes for our motions by Hearst, and for our motions by Irvin, too.

First, this is being done for Peter Meynden and all other White House aides.

That was repeated 66.

All the Republicans voting with us, and all the Democrats voting against the piece, and they're saying, Scott went way under.

Scott, we know, but Bob Berman was missing now.

But so was my father, Bob, and...

Then he approved that they subpoena Peter Flanagan and Bill Timmons, and that was subpoenaed 6-6.

Then he moved to subpoena Flanagan, and that was subpoenaed 6-6.

Then he had a motion to invite Flanagan to appear in executive session, instead of subpoenaing.

And that was subpoenaed 4-9.

He subpoenaed Irvin, joining the Republicans, because Irvin doesn't want him.

No, he wanted to put him on the spot, but with the shirt.

And he has no desire to do it.

Well, I have the feeling, John, that you have to face the fact that mine is... No.

And I think this is a game.

You said, well, it's a game, in general.

And he has added a little bit too much narrative to the word.

Yeah, I...

Eastman said he hadn't talked to Mansfield.

Hey, hey, he's about to get out of here.

He wouldn't recommend it.

He would.

How is that?

I don't know.

Yes, it did.

The first week I sat him.

Let's be ready to sign the cross.

Cross.

Oh, listen.

It might be useful to have it up there, yeah.

Get it down on there.

What change will we make?

We're going to have to change it one day, depending upon something that happens later today.

Then we have to have it wrapped.

No, wrapped.

Sorry.

Can't do it.

Okay.

We don't know whether the narrative is even available.

I'm sure.

What I see is that here, there's a lot to go on.

It's really complicated.

It's a big thing.

At which time will it be crunchily coming?

Without finding a verbal answer.

I think that's it, but I wasn't sure.

I saw it last time.

I wasn't sure.

They played it clearly, and also, we have to realize it's never been so likely to be made out as a role.

Except for John McClellan, who started to come back from Arkansas to give this government account.

Well, you see, too late.

They need something, that's for sure.

They're probably pissed off and tell them that Arfie isn't used to it, and some do it back.

Do you realize that?

Well, I don't care.

You wait about eight minutes every night and say, Arfie, I'll do this.

I just sit here, and he's sitting and worrying me.

Do you?

No, sir.

That works a little.

I don't know.

Some of the attacks have been made on Kathy, and the rest of them have been on Jack Buckley.

Jack Buckley?

Jack Buckley.

Buckley was very good.

He was very good.

Okay, I agree.

George, can you say it?

The only thing we have control over is that, and that's one of the reasons we're doing it now.

We're liable to it.

Even though the damn cloud is not going to rain.

Now, the point is that the drawing of his name does not remove the investigation, but it makes it far more difficult for the investigation to have as much interest because then it would be a Kennedy subject in the investigation.

I would believe so, but I would have thought that it was a man.

I don't know.

Well, I don't think that's true.

I don't think there's any issue with that.

I could try some of it.

I don't know.

Yeah, well, now here would be the scenario of the plane.

... ... ... ... ... ...

Good grace.

I respect and I'm dedicated to the desire of my life that I will not be alone.

And I'm going to do it.

Thank you.

Finally another name is terribly difficult.

My name is

I didn't suggest it, but it was shocking.

It shocked me to try to correct it.

But, there's one thing that I think we need to do now.

We need to reconfirm the sense that I had indicated to the crew that they were going to do what he's told.

Reagan would like it.

Looking at your options, there aren't any others.

You can't take anybody.

The only other option is somebody who's just a well-enriched

Well, apart from anything else, Weinberger, because he was with Reagan, would be considered by the right wing not to be soft on law and order.

Elliot Richardson, any way to cut it, would be considered to be liberal on it.

The only other option of a man that you can find here is somebody that said, well, we've got to get a guy like Lewis Powell to put him in.

The difficulty is if you've got some hotshot law school team coming in and putting him in charge of the justice department, we can't control him.

And I'm just not going to do that.

So, that's what I come up with.

But I want to ask Joe and the rest of the players to share one question.

Well, we have our southern conservative president and our judiciary.

They would want to be important to the people of the country.

I want to know the track record of the Weinberger campaign.

Well, first, Weinberger has been in the

insofar as his dealings with the Congress, with the Senate, and the House, on the bite of the extreme conservatives, that is, either these conservative pistols, or the second.

Weinberger will get up there and say exactly the right words, I know I mustn't.

Man, what is this, Frank Rutgers has been out in front of the civil rights parties, you know?

Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

What a clean wine burger cost.

Earlier, I would never have suggested it.

Because you were granting it to Hillers for returning general, nominating him lost because he was from San Francisco and Hillers was from Los Angeles.

Wine burgers were considered liberal, Hillers was considered conservative.

Hillers lost the election.

And Hillers got well, and everybody lost a mile.

In small fact, everybody lost that year.

Hillers lost by about a little more.

But to be that as it may, the

The thing about it, his main point on a track record, and this is where I get to a second, where you would have to really, the way this would have to go, you'd have to get Ronald Reagan on the phone.

He's an ironic person.

He needs you.

He needs you so much that he wants to help the church.

Nobody questions Ron Reagan's conservative.

He says, I know you stood with me in the region, you stood with me in that, you stood with me.

That's my guess.

I'm just putting out the game.

I don't think Weinberger's ever been on any kind of a thing that I know of.

The only question might be his voting record in the assembly.

Oh, Christ sakes, that's so many years ago.

20 years ago.

Reagan, the person who called me

Smith is a certainly a commanding figure in the law.

He's the chairman of the Board of Regents of the University of California.

He'd be a damn good attorney general.

But let me say, one thing that appeals to me on my end, I have not been as hot on the Jewish side as you have been.

But,

You do get your Jew that way.

I know, but having a Jew in the cabin is something, too.

You know, just like they, as much as they have, even though we've got Kissinger and we've got Stein, you know, the two most powerful people that we could have, and our conversions, when I find the three Jews, the three...

53 of the top, probably 6 positions of government.

The Jews, they could house the town.

The boy could use the town.

Oh shit, yes.

If his track record doesn't have a block.

Can we check that?

It's creepy.

No, it wouldn't help.

The real way to do it is to work capitals.

That's right.

And I had the one to work capitals with, John Mitchell.

Reason being that John knows the kinds of questions they would ask.

But I didn't part very well with him.

I'm afraid he knows the questions he would ask, too.

He doesn't want to go down there and get himself bloodied up.

He had the idea of being on the street in court like everybody else.

He wants to give anything he's got to the attorney general.

Oh, God, yes.

Kat is, I must say, one of the more decent men.

He hasn't had a white-out step.

He is more decent, but one of the more decent men in this government.

He has never, never talked to me, ever, about anything.

I mean, he's never asked me up to court.

He's never sent anybody around to see me about it.

He's never done it.

The only approach he's ever made, and I don't know whether Ray didn't talk to you about it or not, was to Ray.

Ray had called me one time out of the lab.

I don't know whether he was just with his captain, about him or not.

The captain never talked to me about it.

And so the guy apparently, I think, is a decent man who wants us to win, and who let anybody walk.

Also, I have this to say, I think,

I don't think, in fact, looking at Weinberger, he hasn't much to learn, as Smith would.

I mean, there are, you know, I mean, I have busted, some of these issues are pretty interesting.

Weinberger, Granberger has, he knows the ins and outs of bureaucracy.

He knows how to fight battles.

He's been up on the hill.

He knows his way around the hill.

Well, that would have to start from scratch up there.

Well, that's described all the...

I further believe that you haven't had all the jobs you've been trying to fix over there.

You've just, you've got to stay leading.

He's a proud man.

Big heart.

You know, his family, his family, his family, his family.

His president.

I haven't heard a damn thing.

I just don't know what to tell you to do.

I wish, you know, I'd give him anything, but...

Well, I had Dick here this morning, and, uh, to discuss with him, there's some nasty scenarios that have been put in place, and, uh, you know, it's a pretty good pattern, but, in fact, it feels like it was feasible for him to stay here as an active, you know, an active person, in terms of generalizing.

Dick makes all the arguments for his withdrawal.

Can I ask you a question?

I want to talk fast as you can.

I think actually, I would think what I would do would be resign, and actually not going out.

The point is, if you're going to cut your walls, you may as well cut them.

I'm just trying to be quiet.

And Dick will look at it that way too.

He is a fighter, but I can't use him.

I'm comfortable with Dick.

I'm comfortable with him.

I mean, it's not about finding, it's not one damn thing at all.

Bastards, you know, we meet them in the hall and everything, and we look at them, and we think you're a great lawyer, and you're a great lawyer, and understanding doesn't lead us down at all.

It probably does.

What the hell is it doing?

Well, it's raising it.

People tend to rally around, that's why his speech to the country, it's not going to be one that's going to, where it may, you know, you can turn the politics around there, and he attacks the attackers.

You don't do it in any goddamn light way.

The way I would go to it, Mr. Chairman, I'm going to have a statement to make.

I'm gonna make it to 7.30 tonight.

Okay, I'll put it on.

It's daytime.

I'll put it on so nobody can see it.

Oh, you did the news.

News is no problem.

No problem at all.

Well, what about... What about everything going on in the news, though?

I'm not sure.

Oh, my.

I'm not sure.

I wanted to have an audience.

Yeah, I think they covered it.

I think they know that something's going on.

I haven't seen it in May.

I've heard it tonight.

Look at that, huh?

Quicker.

tomorrow.

So, when these badgers are still crawling around, right after the bird, see, you've got to do it so it doesn't appear that other revelations are coming out.

But you see, the bird is made as an element.

Well, any statistic can tell you that it's the bird.

You see, I didn't see that when you got Bob in and totally brought in the bird thing.

I said, well, hell, that's not good.

You know, you can get by with the rest.

Yeah.

For a bird, it's a signal that the partisans are right.

That's all.

He would call, and I wouldn't tell the committee about a damn thing.

I would do a thing.

Fire the other name right down, and I'd like to see them take our Jewish friend.

He'd be charged with antisemitism.

I don't.

What I mean is, Weinberger, I don't, I believe, can convince our people that he's a conservative man.

I really do.

Something on...

I don't think he could have had anything there.

But John is right.

Can I suggest that I call him in and say, we don't know what's going to happen here, but we're present to consider two or three people who want to know whether you want to see what your...

That's the way I like having him.

There's no problem in doing that because he'd be so delighted to be considered.

The way I would do it is to say the president is raising this point.

He believes that we totally need to get you confirmed, but we have great doubts, very frankly, about some of our southern friends who think you're too liberal on civil rights now.

They'll conduct a thorough investigation on that point, and it does come out at all on us.

If you have anything in your record, and in what you have said on this issue, it would be powerful in this area.

I think the play is one that should be made today, Wednesday.

Yeah.

Maybe Friday.

You can think of the

Well, what I meant is, I'm just saying, he sold himself to Connolly.

Because he said, goddammit, it is tough to stand up and so forth.

He said, he's the kind of guy we ought to have.

Steinberger, incidentally, is not soft.

To be candid with you, I thought he was.

Until after he went through the raving mill.

But I don't know what the hell happened to him.

Maybe he's just ambition.

But ambition is a reasonable remedy for what it is the Church of Christ is.

Started as a conservative across the aisle with the liberals.

When that didn't grant out across the aisle back to the conservatives, it did pretty well.

Why didn't you always have a conviction?

You did it for the same reason Brownie Reed did.

You're a great congressman, you know.

Now, now, now, but after the election, I'll talk to them in a minute, because our firm, with its, you know, with the age thing you've got, they need a guy to find his age in that firm.

After election?

Oh, sure.

He'd have them running out of his ears.

What are we talking about?

Six months then?

What I think we ought to do is, I think on the financial side, the six month period, we ought to say, Dick, we want you to be free to go out and make all those speeches in Vermont, and we want to give you, just give you cash, you know, well, anyway that you can handle, and so on, and so on, and so on.

R.I.D.

retains by somebody.

OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. You can write a book.

Thank you for watching!

I think we could work, we just, that, that game ought to be, we could come up with something there, we'll, we'll do.

We'll put it on his foundation.

Now that's a problem.

He needs a guy, you know, to check, uh, for anything.

In this case, it's going to hold, you know, several minutes.

It's going to hold.

But John can get a lot of sympathy out of this.

I think.

I may be wrong, but I think he will.

The administration's still got a good kick in the ass, but I'm telling you, she's got a good sympathy as a man.

Oh, look at Portis now.

Portis is the super honor he's got here.

Sure.

Big charity.

Actually, you know, they had those demonstrators, you know, out, and keep his game.

What did you say about the girls?

Oh, this is in practice right now.

People are telling me I don't know anything, because I didn't know anything for a second at all.

No, but what about the girls, too, you know?

How do the girls look?

Do they look like they're just your girlfriends' names?

I feel, John, that we ought to grasp it.

We gotta move on it.

I think that I wouldn't let him drag it any longer.

I think he's got to keep it very closely known.

I don't want this to go beyond here.

I don't want to go at this point to Gregory Colson, et cetera, et cetera.

I really have a feeling that John can ask

He will be clean as a house, too, from the money side, I know.

He's not, you know what I mean?

Not any money, of course not.

She'll come back now.

But I really feel now she hates me.

Good.

He can be better off with me.

It's very intelligent.

Is she intelligent?

I never know who it is.

I'd like for you, if you would have, John, to talk to one third.

But Dick, I think Dick is prepared for this.

I think it has to be done.

I know there's no trouble with that next week.

Will we do any better by waiting until the third, when the hurling and the birds and the rest of it continues in the air?

Third, yeah.

Rather than pull it out in the middle of the degree period without being able to do the same.

Are we cautioning ourselves or are we running to the more global side?

As distinguished, I'll throw in the rattle of the committee here next week.

It seems to me then, if Irwin comes back, it's like Bill Hart said, this thing was going to have to run its course by next week or third, except we go to Melbourne and all that.

I agree with that, but

The difficulty that I see with that, looking at the other side, I can see the argument for it.

is that in this week, they'll have other jackasses up there, other crappy stuff come out, or we have to look at it and say they have a thing.

I know that, but with him gone, I think they're our only stumbling block in what I see in the works, other than the fact that today calls for a re-examination of the computer's physical condition.

You see that clicker that's sitting in there, of course, in the background, it was the police that got him on the list.

There's something fishy there.

They've only served the police in once, and it was more of a threat.

Thank you.

And that's

It may be that it gives us time to prepare the speech adequately.

I just don't want anything to leak.

That's the only thing.

All right.

I think the best thing to do, I think you're arguing, is to tell the boys around here that you've got to fight it through, period.

In the meantime, I would tackle Weinberger, and I would fight him.

Best way, no.

Don't check in private.

Get out.

If you just talk to Weinberger next week, Weinberger can do his mouth shut.

I think you could talk to Weinberger and say, look, in the event

In the event that this does not come out in the present, I've got you, John Mitchell, to recommend some options to him, and I want to talk to you again.

I mean, it's a fairly tender basis, and if anything comes out of it, there is no chance for you to get it.

But therefore, I want to know, I want to get back to some questions, so that I can see that your case is properly presented to the president, if it comes up, because I'm not sure that it will.

President's taken by a client and she's trying to fight it for long.

How about having him back one time?

Good.

Okay.