{"conversationCode":"331-032","tapeNumber":331,"conversationNumber":32,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-331-032","startDateTime":"1972-04-19T19:17:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-04-19T19:18:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Apr-1972","startTime":"2:17 PM","endDate":"19-Apr-1972","endTime":"2:18 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On April 19, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:17 pm to 2:18 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 331-032 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 331-32\n\nDate: April 19, 1972\nTime: 2:17 pm - 2:18 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n[See Conversation No. 23-37]","filename":["331-032.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:24:30","tapeEnd":"04:26:06","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"331-031","nextCode":"331-033","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":3.58,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":3.82,"end":19.78,"text":"I thought of a good line to handle this other than maybe you wouldn't."},{"start":19.8,"end":21.7,"text":"It was just to say, well, gentlemen, I'm really in the news."},{"start":21.72,"end":24.71,"text":"What would be the reason for the presence of these universities instead of condemning the United States, condemning the enemy of the United States?"},{"start":24.73,"end":25.23,"text":"What would be the reason?"},{"start":25.25,"end":26.21,"text":"That would be certainly like a man biting a dog."},{"start":26.23,"end":26.61,"text":"A man biting a dog."},{"start":26.63,"end":27.15,"text":"I think it's worth saying."},{"start":29.98,"end":38.4,"text":"Well, give me that quote for somebody."},{"start":38.42,"end":39.78,"text":"You see, that's such a good quote."},{"start":40.56,"end":46.05,"text":"I haven't had somebody up there like Goldwater or somebody."},{"start":46.07,"end":46.59,"text":"All right, fine."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler discuss strategies to address media coverage of anti-war protests on university campuses. Nixon proposes a rhetorical counter-attack that highlights the perceived hypocrisy of demonstrators for criticizing the United States rather than the enemy. The pair decides to have a political surrogate, such as Barry Goldwater, deliver this critique to the public to effectively challenge the protestors' stance.","topics":["Anti-war movement","Public relations","Barry Goldwater","Media strategy","Student protests","Vietnam War"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T15:32:18.183Z"},"topicSlugs":["anti-war-movement","public-relations","barry-goldwater","media-strategy","student-protests","vietnam-war"],"audioDurationSec":47,"audioFiles":[{"file":"331-032.mp3","bytes":1873293,"durationSec":46.7,"bitrate":320924,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:41.907Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/331-032.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/331-032","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/331/conversation-331-032","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}