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Conversation 333-038

TapeTape 333StartWednesday, April 26, 1972 at 7:07 PMEndWednesday, April 26, 1972 at 7:10 PMTape start time04:17:59Tape end time04:20:22ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Kissinger, Henry A.Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building
AI Summary

President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discuss tactical concerns regarding a forthcoming meeting with an individual identified as Jerry and the navigation of diplomatic or military agreements. The conversation focuses on potential friction points with the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the strategic distribution of credit for ongoing negotiations. They ultimately weigh the risks of withholding information or specific elements of an agreement to maintain control over the policy process.

Joint Chiefs of StaffDiplomatic strategyNegotiation tacticsMilitary agreementsForeign policy coordination
AudioNARA Description

On April 26, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 7:07 pm to 7:10 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 333-038 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 333-38

Date: April 26, 1972
Time: 7:07-7:10 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President talked with Henry A. Kissinger.

       [See Conversation No 23-90]
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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Hello?
Yeah.
Yeah, how'd you get along with Jerry, uh... Well, technically, Robert knows we're gonna see him on Monday, too.
Yeah.
He's doing it for him, because he just... Yeah.
The problem is, is that in general, when it's all season, and so forth, everything else is just kind of good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's right.
That's right.
You see, you try to get the little ones, the ones on a fish, to do things, which is like communicating math, I don't know.
But, uh, yeah.
What does he want to do?
Does he want to blow the thing?
Leave them out?
I thought he wanted to put them in earlier.
Yeah.
What do you mean leave them out?
And then he's making that hole.
Oh, yeah, the Navy and all in the agreement?
Oh, no.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, the point is that we can get summaries.
I thought that that's what we all agreed to.
Yeah.
That's right.
We just don't.
I was scared for the Joint Chiefs a little bit.
Yeah.
But isn't that really predictable, though, Henry?
Yeah.
Right.
He just doesn't want us to take credit on that, does he?
Okay.
Alright.
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