{"conversationCode":"333-038","tapeNumber":333,"conversationNumber":38,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-333-038","startDateTime":"1972-04-27T00:07:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-04-27T00:10:00.000Z","startDate":"26-Apr-1972","startTime":"7:07 PM","endDate":"26-Apr-1972","endTime":"7:10 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On April 26, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 7:07 pm to 7:10 pm. 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Yeah."},{"start":29.16,"end":53.12,"text":"The problem is, is that in general, when it's all season, and so forth, everything else is just kind of good."},{"start":53.15,"end":53.24,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":53.27,"end":53.37,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":53.38,"end":53.48,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":53.51,"end":53.77,"text":"That's right."},{"start":53.78,"end":54.05,"text":"That's right."},{"start":54.07,"end":56.53,"text":"You see, you try to get the little ones, the ones on a fish, to do things, which is like communicating math, I don't know."},{"start":56.55,"end":56.87,"text":"But, uh, yeah."},{"start":57.81,"end":69.65,"text":"What does he want to do?"},{"start":72.93,"end":80.4,"text":"Does he want to blow the thing?"},{"start":80.42,"end":80.72,"text":"Leave them out?"},{"start":80.74,"end":81.78,"text":"I thought he wanted to put them in earlier."},{"start":81.8,"end":81.9,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":81.92,"end":82.56,"text":"What do you mean leave them out?"},{"start":82.58,"end":83.68,"text":"And then he's making that hole."},{"start":86.14,"end":108.21,"text":"Oh, yeah, the Navy and all in the agreement?"},{"start":108.23,"end":108.37,"text":"Oh, no."},{"start":108.39,"end":108.73,"text":"Yeah, yeah, yeah."},{"start":108.75,"end":109.65,"text":"Well, the point is that we can get summaries."},{"start":109.67,"end":110.55,"text":"I thought that that's what we all agreed to."},{"start":110.57,"end":110.67,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":110.69,"end":110.95,"text":"That's right."},{"start":110.97,"end":111.25,"text":"We just don't."},{"start":111.27,"end":112.21,"text":"I was scared for the Joint Chiefs a little bit."},{"start":112.23,"end":112.33,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":112.35,"end":113.33,"text":"But isn't that really predictable, though, Henry?"},{"start":113.35,"end":113.45,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":113.47,"end":113.59,"text":"Right."},{"start":113.61,"end":114.73,"text":"He just doesn't want us to take credit on that, does he?"},{"start":116.03,"end":127.65,"text":"Okay."},{"start":130.38,"end":130.54,"text":"Alright."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discuss tactical concerns regarding a forthcoming meeting with an individual identified as Jerry and the navigation of diplomatic or military agreements. 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