Conversation 335-027

TapeTape 335StartWednesday, May 3, 1972 at 5:11 PMEndWednesday, May 3, 1972 at 5:35 PMTape start time02:33:52Tape end time02:50:31ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building

On May 3, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 5:11 pm to 5:35 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 335-027 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 335-27

Date: May 3, 1972
Time: 5:11-5:35 pm.
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     J. Edgar Hoover

                                   (rev. Nov-01)

     -Eulogy
          -Length
                -Number of words
          -Further work
     -Funeral
          -President's presence
                -Importance
          -Mamie G.D. Eisenhower

Vietnam
     -US-Soviet Union Summit
          -Henry A. Kissinger’s meeting with Haldeman
          -Possible cancellation by Leonid I. Brezhnev
                -Bombing
          -Postponement option
                -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
          -Joint announcement
                -Kissinger's advice
                      -Haldeman’s view
          -North Vietnam offensive
                -Timing with Summit
                -Capture of Hue
                -Soviet trip
                      -Timing
                -Bombing
                      -Gen. Creighton W. Abrams, Jr.’s advice
                      -Timing
                            -Kissinger's trip to Paris
                      -Equipment
                      -Reasons
                      -Soviet response
                            -Possibility of Soviet cancellation
          -Postponement option
                -Arrangements
                      -Dobrynin
                -Advantages
                      -Political
                      -Brezhnev
                      -Public opinion
          -Cancellation by President
                -Kissinger's prediction
                      -Previous meeting with Haldeman

                                 (rev. Nov-01)

                      -Consequences
                            -Public opinion
                            -Political
          -Postponement
                -Disadvantages
                      -Democratic candidates
                            -Possibility of attending Soviet summit
                            -Briefings
                                  -Times
                                  -Lyndon B. Johnson
     -Bombing
          -Necessity
                -Military situation
                -Kissinger's advice
     -Soviet summit
          -Possibility of taking Democratic candidates
                -Senators
                -Congressmen
                -Cabinet members
                -Secretary of State
     -Soviet Summit
          -Bombing
                -Kissinger’s view
                -The President’s view
                -Possibility of Summit cancellation
                      -US and Soviet Union responsibility
          -Postponement
                -Timing
          -Situation in Vietnam
          -Agreement and ceremonies
                -Possible perceptions
          -Link with Vietnam
                -Public perception
          -Link with Europe, People’s Republic of China [PRC], Latin America, Middle
                East
     -Soviet Union
          -Arms for North Vietnam, India and Cuba
                -Kissinger’s view
     -Congress
          -Military aid

President's schedule

                                       (rev. Nov-01)

     Vietnam
          -Soviet summit
               -President's alternatives
                     -Compared to PRC trip decision

Haldeman left at 5:35 pm.

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But it's totally accurate and I don't, I can't tell if it's not going to keep my brain going.
The main thing on that is the fact that you're there.
There's so much verbiage out about J. Edgar Hoover now that what you say, even if it were the gist of your address, would make some shit out of it.
It really won't.
But the fact that you're there and the people that met with him.
Mrs. Eisenhower's going to school.
We're going to see her.
We're going to see her.
That's okay.
Yeah, I guess.
He's convinced.
He comes around, he went, he went around it from every possible direction, followed every line out as far as we could follow and all that.
And it's all over.
He can't go.
First of all, he says, a lot of what we're talking about may well be good because some of the options are risky.
Excellent, 7.
7, then that will eliminate one option, any option at least.
Uh, eliminate the bombing option.
Eliminate the bombing, the pre-summoned bombing option.
Eliminate the bombing options against the cancellation options.
...as an alternate approach to the same basic point, calling into the data and saying, obviously we can't proceed with the summit.
I don't think that's a good idea.
He argues, he's trying to argue this, he's afraid they'll run out and cancel it before we get a chance to do the campaign.
But he says if they do that, they'll get the record perfectly and all that.
It's just, the thing that overrides totally with that is that you cannot...
Captured what?
This is fine.
It's necessary.
Pass it.
He goes, we have to bomb.
And nothing seems to follow.
He thinks that we didn't bother him.
That's then you're in a reasonably good position.
Actually, it's viable in the sense that if you could work it out with the right amount of people on national television, we couldn't schedule something any later than that.
But from a political viewpoint, it could be a lot more useful to do this later than that.
It might be such a good habit.
If you went on a postponement, a mutual postponement instead of a unilateral cancellation, you would keep the hope of the people around.
You wouldn't do that, I know, next to foreign policy as well, but you would keep your posture of strength on.
And then you would act.
You're willing to sit down and talk with them under these circumstances, and you avoid that.
Posture will work.
It's not a...
I'm not sure he even wants to kill me.
That's what I'm calling it.
Yeah, that's right.
I tried, but I made it quite strongly in that situation.
He said, I didn't do well.
What he said is, I am convinced the president will not cancel this on the phone.
be in a position of signing a statement of whatever that thing is until we agree to postpone the song.
You don't have a big stage where you can just say postpone it until you have a problem with the situation.
and they wanted to go home.
And they raised out immediately and said, then you can take the Democratic candidate.
And I said, under no circumstances would you even consider it.
He goes, of course, you can take the Democratic candidate.
And they briefly, bleakly, said, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I said, how could they fit you with everything you wanted to know?
And before you go, you have to agree for your reason.
While you were gone, I would agree to let you return.
You would agree to let me return.
I think you have to agree to that.
The idea of this going, I mean, you just want to say, I'm the president.
Just what Lyndon Johnson said after you came over to the White House that day and everything worked out and then you got NC about it.
Went out the next day and said, well, you know, you have to.
What do you do about a bomb?
What do you mean?
You have to bomb.
You have to bomb in any event, really.
Sure, because it's mined by the military.
He's now raised to the specter of the military situation.
He says it would be over by the end of the year.
I would have charged her with money, but I just completely denied it.
Would you treat that as a serious suggestion?
Of course not.
And good decision on that, because you've never taken senators from Congress before.
I'm sure it is there.
That's totally based on our action in Vietnam, rather than on their action.
We cancel it, we claim their action, supporting our people.
You wait over one month on the assignment, on the condition that things are then.
And also that you have the problem of, just the problem of how you survive that heat in my state.
It's quite true.
It's a sighing experience.
It's not as bad as it used to be.
It's one of those pretty functions that have changed the atmosphere that we've come with.
It's got us in four days with no ceremony.
It's a good time now.
It's nice to have work with it.
It's probably a little bit more than I thought.
That's why I have a smartphone.
Okay.
Okay.
um the soviet negotiations and the soviet summit being as separable from vietnam right and if they see vietnam as one problem you have to deal with you know trying to
But they have also seen a Soviet man writing an earlier picture of a longer war in Europe and China for many more complex American exclusive powers.
What better man, frankly, to see the Soviet leader?
He gets quite intrigued by what he thinks is a profound argument in his speech, though, which is that the Russians not only are our people, but they are the people of India, as that's true of what you're talking about, and that they said that...
Where are you?
Where are you?
Where are you?
it doesn't have
There may come up with a better idea tomorrow.