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Just a second."},{"start":7100.1,"end":7100.74,"text":"What are..."},{"start":7119.02,"end":7125.86,"text":"We will stop all acts of force."},{"start":7126.08,"end":7128.18,"text":"All acts of force."},{"start":7128.98,"end":7142.39,"text":"We will stop all acts of..."},{"start":7149.1,"end":7157.43,"text":"One other thing I think, or I believe, if you look back, they would offer potentially a motion to take it out."},{"start":7157.99,"end":7164.39,"text":"They would allow negotiation on a political settlement that would flex the popular will."},{"start":7164.61,"end":7170.15,"text":"Nobody believed in the popular will."},{"start":7170.17,"end":7172.11,"text":"You see what I mean?"},{"start":7172.13,"end":7173.67,"text":"I don't know, but why stay at home?"},{"start":7173.77,"end":7176.5,"text":"The point is, and what we are saying, is that we"},{"start":7178.62,"end":7182.5,"text":"Yeah, it's changing, but it's taking a lot of negotiation on the level, so..."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":7064,"end":7186.625,"startMethod":"silence","endMethod":"silence"},"transcriptConfidence":"high","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discuss the specific language and strategic implications of a pending speech regarding the Vietnam War. 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