{"conversationCode":"336-038","tapeNumber":336,"conversationNumber":38,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-336-038","startDateTime":"1972-05-08T21:27:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-08T21:30:00.000Z","startDate":"8-May-1972","startTime":"5:27 PM","endDate":"8-May-1972","endTime":"5:30 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary;","description":"On May 8, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 5:27 pm to 5:30 pm. 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