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Nixon & Kissinger on Vietnam War and CIA

Wednesday, May 10, 1972 · 1:05 PM–3:35 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.Conversation337-020 on Tape 337 (tape position 03:41:07–03:45:11)StartWednesday, May 10, 1972 at 1:05 PMEndWednesday, May 10, 1972 at 3:35 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 337-020 ↗

President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discuss the efficacy of CIA-led propaganda efforts and military operations in Vietnam. Nixon expresses frustration with the intelligence agency's historical performance while emphasizing the need for improved coordination and higher-quality materials regarding U.S. air strikes. The conversation centers on leveraging psychological operations to impact the morale of North Vietnamese leadership and their forces.

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3:42:29I was hoping to remember the weapon system's fate or not, but it's never been seen before.
3:42:39The North Vietnamese are used against South Vietnamese forces.
3:42:45It should shake us up for the future.
3:42:50As you know, I have very little confidence in the CIA department.
3:43:20program yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
3:43:54of the ships that are
3:44:21uh... uh...
3:44:55He needs to clear strikes.
3:44:56Very certain morale problems are common among the troops in the area.
3:44:58Some do not.
3:44:58The other side of this line is the U.S. Army.
3:44:59The U.S. Army does not.
3:45:00They care.
3:45:00Can't be reached by such a case.
3:45:01It's a global threat.
3:45:32I see the CIA does a better job than they've ever done before.
3:45:34It's great.
3:45:35I have a feeling from looking at the CIA materials across my desk

On May 10, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:05 pm and 3:35 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 337-020 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 337-20

Date: May 10, 1972
Time: Unknown between 1:02 and 3:35 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President dictated a memorandum to Henry A. Kissinger.

     Vietnam
          -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]
               -Propaganda
                     -South Vietnam, Hanoi area
                            -Support for the President
                            -US military action
                                 -Impact on North Vietnam leaders and people
                                 -Air strikes
                     -Supervision
                     -Improvement
                     -Quantity, quality
                     -Needs
  • 337-015 12:35 PM · 32 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:35 pm and 12:36 pm.
  • 337-016 12:36 PM · 26 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 12:36 pm to 1:02 pm.
  • 337-017 1:05 PM · 5 min — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:05 pm and 3:35 pm.
  • 337-018 1:05 PM · 7 min — President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:05 pm and 3:35 pm.
  • 337-019 1:05 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:05 pm and 3:35 pm.
  • 337-021 1:05 PM · 21 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:05 pm and 3:35 pm.
  • 337-022 1:05 PM · 14 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:05 pm and 3:35 pm.
  • 337-023 1:05 PM · 9 min — President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:05 pm and 3:35 pm.

Conversation 337-020, May 10, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/337-020 (accessed October 12, 2026).