Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 337 › Conversation 337-025

Nixon with unidentified visitors in his EOB office on Memorandum dictation

Wednesday, May 10, 1972 · 3:55 PM–3:59 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); [Unknown person(s)]Conversation337-025 on Tape 337 (tape position 04:10:46–04:12:21)StartWednesday, May 10, 1972 at 3:55 PMEndWednesday, May 10, 1972 at 3:59 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 337-025 ↗

President Nixon dictates a memorandum concerning various administrative and political matters, including a legal plea involving an individual named Jackson in North Carolina and correspondence regarding Marilyn Phillips. The discussion also touches upon concerns regarding FBI appropriations and broader sociocultural critiques of religious institutions and their perceived lack of patriotism. The brief session focuses on capturing specific directives and recollections for future follow-up.

  • Memorandum dictation
  • Legal affairs
  • FBI appropriations
  • Religious institutions
  • Political correspondence

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4:10:48And if you check out the pieces that you've set in your lifetime, don't exaggerate.
4:10:52Don't say you've got 57 if you've got...
4:10:54I've got three is enough.
4:10:54I remember that very well.
4:10:56Oh, no, he's right.
4:10:57He's right.
4:10:58And it shows.
4:11:01Look at all of our schools.
4:11:02Look at our religion.
4:11:03Not just the Catholics, but all of them.
4:11:05All of them are just terrible.
4:11:07I have to promise you that you're working for the Catholics.
4:11:11I know the Catholics are the ones that you don't know about.
4:11:15and liberal Presbyterians and some of the rest are horrible.
4:11:17And they don't really care about the country.
4:11:19They don't have any drive.
4:11:20Until they want something, so.
4:11:21So I think it's being much more appropriate for us
4:11:45I don't agree.
4:11:46He's, you know, he's pining and he's fighting and he's just going on and on.
4:11:48And while you work when you're there and everything, it's still, you know.
4:11:51Well, even if they do think so, it's the same as though you were not there and so on and so forth.
4:11:54I don't know whether they're a little unsure.
4:11:57You can't blame them for it.
4:11:58You can't blame it anyway.
4:11:59I hope we can get out of it.
4:12:14Maybe they keep everybody else out of the way.
4:12:16Would you ever go, I think, to the next ball?
4:12:18If you keep one of those, like Birch, keep some place where you can move around as much as you want.

On May 10, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:55 pm and 3:59 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 337-025 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 337-25

Date: May 10, 1972
Time: Unknown between 3:55 and 3:59 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President dictated a memorandum for an unknown person.

     [Forename unknown] Jackson
          -Plea in North Carolina
                -President's recollection

     Marilyn Phillips (?)
          -A letter

     Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
          -Appropriation
  • 337-024 3:35 PM · 16 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:35 pm to 3:55 pm.
  • 024-066 3:55 PM · 5 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 3:55 pm and 3:59 pm.
  • 337-026 3:55 PM · 36 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:55 pm and 3:59 pm.
  • 024-067 3:59 PM · 30 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone from 3:59 pm to 4:00 pm.
  • 337-027 3:59 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:59 pm and 4:00 pm.
  • 024-068 4:04 PM · 27 sec — Charles W. Colson, White House operator, and unknown person(s) talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 4:04 pm and 4:25 pm.
  • 337-028 4:04 PM · 1 hr 14 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, unknown person(s), H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Henry A. Kissinger, White House operator, and Arthur F. Burns met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 4:04 pm and 5:45 pm.
  • 339-001 4:04 PM · 24 min — President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:04 pm to 5:45 pm.

Conversation 337-025, May 10, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/337-025 (accessed October 9, 2026).