{"conversationCode":"337-025","tapeNumber":337,"conversationNumber":25,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-337-025","startDateTime":"1972-05-10T19:55:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-10T19:59:00.000Z","startDate":"10-May-1972","startTime":"3:55 PM","endDate":"10-May-1972","endTime":"3:59 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On May 10, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:55 pm and 3:59 pm. 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