{"conversationCode":"337-027","tapeNumber":337,"conversationNumber":27,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-337-027","startDateTime":"1972-05-10T19:59:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-10T20:00:00.000Z","startDate":"10-May-1972","startTime":"3:59 PM","endDate":"10-May-1972","endTime":"4:00 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.;","description":"On May 10, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:59 pm and 4:00 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 337-027 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 337-27\n\nDate: May 10, 1972\nTime: Between 3:59 and 4:00 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Charles W. Colson.\n\n[See Conversation No. 24-67]\n\n Conversation No. 337-28/339-1\n\nDate: May 10, 1972\nTime: 4:04-unknown before 5:45 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President met with Charles W. Colson.\n\nColson talked with an unknown person between 4:04 pm and 4:25 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 337-28/339-1F]\n\n[See Conversation No. 24-68]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n Vietnam\n -Blockade\n -Melvin R. Laird press conference\n -Evaluated\n -Television coverage\n -Wire service coverage\n -Length\n -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS] live coverage\n -Duration\n -Assessed by Colson\n -Attack on critics\n -Appeal for support\n -Gerald R. Ford and Hugh Scott press conference\n -Names of critics\n -Network coverage\n\n Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)\n\n -Polls\n -Opinion Research Corporation [ORC]\n -Copies for press\n -Validity\n -White House polls\n\nH. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 4:05 pm.\n\n -Albert E. Sindlinger\n -Level of support for the President\n -Release\n -Press conference\n -New York Times and wire services coverage\n -Ronald L. Ziegler's briefing\n -ORC poll\n -New York Times editorial\n -ORC poll\n -Possible use in New York Times advertisement\n -Attack on critics\n -Public support\n -Press reports\n -Washington Post sports section\n -Theodore S. (“Ted”) Williams\n -Support for President’s decision\n -Criticism of Democratics candidates\n -Support for President\n -Soviet Union\n -Robert F. Kennedy [RFK] Stadium [Washington DC]\n -National Broadcasting Corporation [NBC]'s Today show\n -President's critics\n -Language\n -William L. Safire\n -Telegram from Thomas W. (“Teddy”) Gleason\n -Ziegler\n -Support for the President’s decision\n -Walt W. Rostow\n -Dock strike\n -Rhetoric\n -Memorandum to Henry A. Kissinger regarding Central Intelligence\n Agency [CIA]\n -Propaganda efforts in Vietnam\n -Choice of words\n\n Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)\n\n -Speechwriters\n -Deficiencies\n -John B. Connally\n -Laird\n -Speechwriters\n -Patrick J. Buchanan\n -[Forename unknown] Brooks (?)\n -Recruitment\n -Mel Grayson\n -Frank Gannon\n -Grayson\n -Colson’s view\n -Instructions\n -Grayson\n\nKissinger entered at 4:15 pm.\n\n -Mines\n -A talk by Robert H. Finch\n -Atlanta\n -Assessment of President's previous speech\n -Dick Sykes\n -Support for the President\n -Televison talk show\n -Man-on-the-street\n -Kissinger's meeting with Prentis Hale\n -Statements\n -Roger L. Stevens\n -Polls\n -Support for President\n -Scott\n -Ford\n -Poll in Pennsylvania\n -Polls\n -Sindlinger, ORC\n -Support for President\n -Support for President\n -Rhetoric\n -Camp David\n -Propaganda efforts\n -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]\n -President's memorandum to Kissinger\n\n Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)\n\n -Richard M. Helms\n -Competence\n -World War II\n -Office of Strategic Services [OSS]\n -Communists\n -The President’s view\n -Haldeman call to Lt. Gen. Vernon A. Walters\n -Propaganda\n -Content\n -South Vietnam\n -North Vietnam\n -Blockade\n -Laird press conference\n -Assessment\n -Questions\n -Demeanor\n -Support for President\n -Robert P. Griffin and Scott press conference\n -ORC poll\n -Polls\n -Sindlinger\n -Press conference\n -Level of public support for the President\n -Dwight D. Eisenhower\n -New York Times advertisement\n -Support for the President\n\n**********************************************************************\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n[Personal Returnable]\n[Duration: 45s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n**********************************************************************\n\n Vietnam\n -Blockade\n -Elliot L. Richardson\n -Statement\n -James D. Hodgson\n\n Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)\n\n -Ziegler\n -Cabinet\n -President's instructions on statements\n -President's previous speech\n -Wording regarding Soviet Union\n -Richardson\n -Hodgson's statement\n -Soviet Summit\n -Possible cancellation\n -Responsibility\n\nColson left at 4:25 pm.\n\n -Soviet ship\n -Note of protest\n -US apology\n -Kissinger's meeting with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin\n\n US-Soviet Summit\n -Arrangements\n -Advance party\n -Cancellation\n -President's options\n -President's meeting with Nikolai S. Patolichev\n -Subjects for discussion\n -Vietnam\n -Time\n\nKissinger talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 4:25 and 4:45 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 337-28/339-1A]\n\n[See Conversation No. 24-69]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n US-Soviet Summit\n -Dobrynin's remarks\n -President's speech\n -Dobrynin's response\n -Kissinger's meeting with Dobrynin\n -Mood\n\n Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)\n\n -Politburo\n -Leonid I. Brezhnev\n -Meeting with President\n -Tenor\n -German treaties\n -Delay\n -Egon Bahr\n -Moscow\n\nAn unknown man entered at an unknown time after 4:25 pm.\n\n President's schedule\n -A commercial flight\n -Time of arrival\n\nAn unknown left at an unknown time before 4:45 pm.\n\nKissinger talked with Dobrynin at an unknown time between 4:25 and 4:45 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 337-28/339-1B]\n\n[See Conversation No. 24-70]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n -President's meeting with Patolichev and Dobrynin\n -Peter G. Peterson, Peter M. Flanigan\n -Notification\n -Time\n -Reason\n -Cancellation\n -Likelihood\n -Peterson\n -Patolichev meeting\n -Notification\n -Subjects for discussion\n -German treaties\n -Status\n -Significance\n -Cancellation\n\n Vietnam\n\n Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)\n\n-Blockade and mining\n -People's Republic of China [PRC]\n -Statement\n -Options\n-North Vietnam offensive\n -Hue\n -US air strikes\n -Impact\n-US-Soviet Summit\n -Cancellation or postponement\n -Likelihood\n-Blockade\n -Soviet response\n -Hanoi statement\n -Soviet ships\n -Departure from ports\n-Air strikes\n -Docks\n -Warehouses\n -Petroleum, Oil, and Lubricants [POL]\n -Rails\n -Impact on North Vietnam\n -Repairs\n -Evacuation\n -Rationing\n -Intensity\n -Compared with Lyndon B. Johnson's 1968 bombing\n -Tet offensive\n-North Vietnam offensive\n -Build-up\n -Gains\n -An Loc\n -Populated areas\n-Air strikes in North Vietnam\n -1968 Tet offensive\n -Cessation by Johnson\n-Soviets\n -Support for North Vietnam\n-Blockade\n -Soviets\n -PRC\n\n Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)\n\n President's meeting with Patolichev and Dobrynin\n -Publicity\n -Peterson\n -Kissinger’s view\n\n Kissinger's schedule\n -Briefing on Vietnam\n -John C. Stennis\n -Hawks\n -Liberal Republican senators\n -Day\n -Possible appearance by the President\n\nAn unknown person entered at an unknown time after 4:25 pm.\n\nThe unknown person left at an unknown time before 4:45 pm.\n\n Vietnam\n -Blockade\n -Liberal Republican senators\n -Briefing\n -Withdrawal\n -Support for the President\n -Appearance by the President\n -Rogers and Laird\n -Advisability\n -The President’s view\n -Questions for the President\n -Request for briefing by the President\n -Clark MacGregor\n -Steven S. Karalekas\n -Stennis\n -Barry M. Goldwater, Jr.\n -John G. Tower\n -Griffin\n -Bryce N. Harlow\n -Margaret Chase Smith\n -Kissinger\n -Arrangements\n -Soviet Summit\n -Time\n -US-Soviet Summit\n\n Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)\n\n -Possible cancellation\n -Peterson and Soviet Union trade delegation meeting\n -Scheduling\n -Cancellation\n -Hue\n -Possible delay\n -Date\n -Cancellation\n -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.\n\nKissinger left at 4:45 pm.\n\nHaldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 4:45 and 5:45 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 337-28/339-1C]\n\n President's schedule\n -Sequoia cruise\n -A dinner\n -Time\n -Peterson\n -A smaller boat\n -Chief of Naval Operations\n -Time\n -Peterson\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n Sequoia\n -Rules of use\n -Peterson\n -The President’s view\n -Use\n -President's dinner at the White House\n -Changes\n -Use by the President\n -Use by others\n\n President's schedule\n -Camp David\n -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo\n -Sequoia\n\n Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)\n\n -Alexander P. Butterfield\n -Camp David\n -Use by others\n -Cabinet officers\n -Use by the President\n -Florida\n -Use by others\n -John N. Mitchell\n -Richardson\n -Conflicts with President's use\n -Laurel Cabin\n -President's trip to California\n -Sequoia\n -Purpose\n -Meeting with senators\n -MacGregor\n -Advisability\n -The President’s view\n -Publicity\n -Kissinger briefing\n -Telephone calls\n\n Vietnam\n -Blockade\n -Public support\n -1972 election\n -Duration\n -Polls\n -Release by Colson\n -ORC poll\n -Release to Congressional offices and press\n -Ronald McMahon\n -Scott press conference\n -Press questions\n -Sindlinger poll\n -Quayle poll\n -ORC\n\nAn unknown person entered at an unknown time between 4:45 pm and 5:45 pm.\n\n Delivery of a note\n\n Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)\n\nHaldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 4:45 and 5:45 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 337-28/339-1D]\n\n Soviets\n -Dinner cancellation\n -Reports\n -Patolichev\n -Health\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n -Confirmation\n -Kissinger\n\n[The above portion of the conversation took place simultaneously with Conversation No. 337-\n28/339-1D]\n\nThe unknown peron left at an unknown time between 4:45 pm and 5:45 pm.\n\nHaldeman talked with Kissinger at an unknown time between 4:45 and 5:45 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 337-28/339-1E]\n\n -Patolichev\n -Reasons\n -Meeting between the President and Patolichev\n -Dinner cancellation\n -Significance\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n -Peterson meeting with Patolichev\n\n Haldeman's schedule\n -Meeting with Connally\n -Meeting with Kissinger\n -Message from Dobrynin\n\n Vietnam\n -Blockade\n -Senate Republicans\n\n Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)\n\n -Meeting with President\n -Kissinger briefing\n -Public support\n -Support for the President\n -White House staff\n -Initiative\n -Harlow\n -Public support\n -Reasons\n -The President’s efforts\n -Republicans\n -Charles H. Percy, Richard S. Schweiker\n -Constituents\n\nPresident's schedule\n -Sequoia\n -New rules for use\n -Camp David\n -Uses\n -Emergency\n -Family retreat\n -Conferences\n -Other locations\n -Airlie House\n -The Homestead\n -The Greenbrier\n -Airlie House\n -Departmental facilities\n -Value to users\n -Facilities\n -Other locations\n -Williamsburg\n -Washington\n -Sans Souci\n -A country club\n -John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts\n -Movie Association Center\n\nSocial events\n -Movie Association\n -Arthur F. Burns\n -Social activities\n\n Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)\n\n**********************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6\n[Personal Returnable]\n[Duration: 1m 1s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n -Kissinger's social activities\n -Effect\n -Pace of work\n -President's pace\n\n Press\n -White House News Summary\n -President's reading\n -New York Times, Washington Post\n -President's reading\n -Reasons\n -Bias\n -President's reading\n -Duration\n\n Vietnam\n -Blockade\n -Polls\n -Release\n\n Polls\n -Sindlinger\n -Financial status\n -Publicity\n -ORC\n -The President’s view\n -George H. Gallup\n -Public polls\n\n Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)\n\n -Expense\n -Publicity advantages\n -ORC\n -Louis P. Harris\n -Syndication\n -Costs\n -ORC\n -Mutual benefits of White House work\n -Sindlinger\n -Colson\n -Work with Harris and Sindlinger\n -News summary\n -Harris poll\n -Past polls compared with current polls\n -Timing of release\n -Topics\n -Questions\n -Gallup poll\n -Questions\n -John A. Scali\n -Republican preferences\n -Release\n -Work with White House\n -Questions\n\nVietnam\n -Support for the President's decision on blockade and mining\n -Gallup poll\n -Results\n -Questions\n -Results\n -President's peace offer\n -Call from James B. (“Scotty”) Reston\n -Kissinger\n -Reston column\n -President's previous speech on blockade and mining\n -Kissinger\n -Duration\n -News reports on previous speech on blockade and mining\n -Military aspect\n -Peace offer\n -1971 peace offer\n\n Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)\n\n-Congress\n -A resolution supporting the President's peace offer\n -Passage\n -Funds cutoff\n -Kissinger’s view\n-Peace offer\n -Prisoners of war [POWs]\n -Ceasefire\n -Troop withdrawal\n -Congressional approval\n -Ceasefire\n -Troop withdrawal\n -Consequences\n -Reston's column\n-Congress\n -Funds cutoff\n -Effect\n-US troop withdrawal in Indochina\n -Possible ceasefire violations\n -Cambodia\n -Thailand\n -Laos\n -Navy ships\n -Bases\n-President's peace offer\n -Compared with possible Congressional proposal\n -Kissinger’s view\n -Political settlement\n -Nguyen Van Thieu\n -The President’s instruction\n -Kissinger\n-Soviets\n -Cancellation of Patolichev dinner\n -Significance\n -Meeting with the President\n -Peterson Dinner\n -Maurice H. Stans dinner\n -Effect on Sequoia schedule\n -Peterson dinner\n -Sequoia\n -Patolichev, President, and Dobrynin meeting\n\n Conv. 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