Conversation 337-028

TapeTape 337StartWednesday, May 10, 1972 at 4:04 PMEndWednesday, May 10, 1972 at 5:45 PMTape start time04:14:22Tape end time05:27:59ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Colson, Charles W.;  [Unknown person(s)];  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  Kissinger, Henry A.;  White House operator;  Burns, Arthur F.Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building

On May 10, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, unknown person(s), H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Henry A. Kissinger, White House operator, and Arthur F. Burns met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 4:04 pm and 5:45 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 337-028 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 337-28/339-1

Date: May 10, 1972
Time: 4:04-unknown before 5:45 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Charles W. Colson.

Colson talked with an unknown person between 4:04 pm and 4:25 pm.

[Conversation No. 337-28/339-1F]

[See Conversation No. 24-68]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Vietnam
          -Blockade
               -Melvin R. Laird press conference
                    -Evaluated
                    -Television coverage
                    -Wire service coverage
                    -Length
                    -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS] live coverage
                          -Duration
                    -Assessed by Colson
                    -Attack on critics
                          -Appeal for support
               -Gerald R. Ford and Hugh Scott press conference
                    -Names of critics
                    -Network coverage

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                                                              Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)

               -Polls
                     -Opinion Research Corporation [ORC]
                          -Copies for press
                          -Validity
                               -White House polls

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 4:05 pm.

                     -Albert E. Sindlinger
                          -Level of support for the President
                                -Release
                                       -Press conference
                                       -New York Times and wire services coverage
                     -Ronald L. Ziegler's briefing
                          -ORC poll
                          -New York Times editorial
                     -ORC poll
                          -Possible use in New York Times advertisement
                     -Attack on critics
                     -Public support
                          -Press reports
                     -Washington Post sports section
                          -Theodore S. (“Ted”) Williams
                                -Support for President’s decision
                                -Criticism of Democratics candidates
                                -Support for President
                                       -Soviet Union
                                       -Robert F. Kennedy [RFK] Stadium [Washington DC]
                                       -National Broadcasting Corporation [NBC]'s Today show
                                       -President's critics
                     -Language
                          -William L. Safire
                     -Telegram from Thomas W. (“Teddy”) Gleason
                          -Ziegler
                          -Support for the President’s decision
                                -Walt W. Rostow
                                -Dock strike
                     -Rhetoric
                          -Memorandum to Henry A. Kissinger regarding Central Intelligence
                                Agency [CIA]
                                -Propaganda efforts in Vietnam
                          -Choice of words

                                        (rev. Nov-01)
                                                                   Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)

                                -Speechwriters
                                      -Deficiencies
                                -John B. Connally
                                -Laird
                           -Speechwriters
                                -Patrick J. Buchanan
                                -[Forename unknown] Brooks (?)
                                -Recruitment
                                      -Mel Grayson
                                      -Frank Gannon
                                      -Grayson
                                            -Colson’s view
                                -Instructions
                                      -Grayson

Kissinger entered at 4:15 pm.

                -Mines
                -A talk by Robert H. Finch
                      -Atlanta
                      -Assessment of President's previous speech
                -Dick Sykes
                -Support for the President
                      -Televison talk show
                      -Man-on-the-street
                      -Kissinger's meeting with Prentis Hale
                            -Statements
                            -Roger L. Stevens
                -Polls
                -Support for President
                      -Scott
                      -Ford
                      -Poll in Pennsylvania
                -Polls
                      -Sindlinger, ORC
                            -Support for President
                -Support for President
                      -Rhetoric
                            -Camp David
           -Propaganda efforts
                -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]
                      -President's memorandum to Kissinger

                                      (rev. Nov-01)
                                                               Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)

                    -Richard M. Helms
                    -Competence
                         -World War II
                               -Office of Strategic Services [OSS]
                               -Communists
                    -The President’s view
                    -Haldeman call to Lt. Gen. Vernon A. Walters
                    -Propaganda
                         -Content
                               -South Vietnam
                               -North Vietnam
         -Blockade
              -Laird press conference
                    -Assessment
                    -Questions
                    -Demeanor
              -Support for President
                    -Robert P. Griffin and Scott press conference
                    -ORC poll
              -Polls
                    -Sindlinger
                         -Press conference
                         -Level of public support for the President
                               -Dwight D. Eisenhower
              -New York Times advertisement
              -Support for the President

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    Vietnam
         -Blockade
              -Elliot L. Richardson
                    -Statement
                    -James D. Hodgson

                                       (rev. Nov-01)
                                                                 Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)

                     -Ziegler
                -Cabinet
                     -President's instructions on statements
                           -President's previous speech
                                 -Wording regarding Soviet Union
                -Richardson
                -Hodgson's statement
                -Soviet Summit
                     -Possible cancellation
                           -Responsibility

Colson left at 4:25 pm.

                -Soviet ship
                     -Note of protest
                           -US apology
                -Kissinger's meeting with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin

     US-Soviet Summit
         -Arrangements
               -Advance party
         -Cancellation
               -President's options
         -President's meeting with Nikolai S. Patolichev
               -Subjects for discussion
                     -Vietnam
               -Time

Kissinger talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 4:25 and 4:45 pm.

[Conversation No. 337-28/339-1A]

[See Conversation No. 24-69]

[End of telephone conversation]

     US-Soviet Summit
         -Dobrynin's remarks
         -President's speech
               -Dobrynin's response
         -Kissinger's meeting with Dobrynin
               -Mood

                                       (rev. Nov-01)
                                                              Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)

               -Politburo
                     -Leonid I. Brezhnev
                           -Meeting with President
               -Tenor
          -German treaties
               -Delay
                     -Egon Bahr
                     -Moscow

An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 4:25 pm.

     President's schedule
          -A commercial flight
                 -Time of arrival

An unknown left at an unknown time before 4:45 pm.

Kissinger talked with Dobrynin at an unknown time between 4:25 and 4:45 pm.

[Conversation No. 337-28/339-1B]

[See Conversation No. 24-70]

[End of telephone conversation]

          -President's meeting with Patolichev and Dobrynin
                -Peter G. Peterson, Peter M. Flanigan
                      -Notification
                           -Time
                                  -Reason
          -Cancellation
                -Likelihood
          -Peterson
                -Patolichev meeting
                      -Notification
                      -Subjects for discussion
                -German treaties
                -Status
                -Significance
          -Cancellation

     Vietnam

                           (rev. Nov-01)
                                                 Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)

-Blockade and mining
      -People's Republic of China [PRC]
            -Statement
            -Options
-North Vietnam offensive
      -Hue
            -US air strikes
                  -Impact
-US-Soviet Summit
      -Cancellation or postponement
            -Likelihood
-Blockade
      -Soviet response
      -Hanoi statement
      -Soviet ships
            -Departure from ports
-Air strikes
      -Docks
      -Warehouses
      -Petroleum, Oil, and Lubricants [POL]
      -Rails
      -Impact on North Vietnam
            -Repairs
            -Evacuation
            -Rationing
      -Intensity
      -Compared with Lyndon B. Johnson's 1968 bombing
            -Tet offensive
-North Vietnam offensive
      -Build-up
      -Gains
            -An Loc
            -Populated areas
-Air strikes in North Vietnam
      -1968 Tet offensive
            -Cessation by Johnson
-Soviets
      -Support for North Vietnam
-Blockade
      -Soviets
      -PRC

                                       (rev. Nov-01)
                                                                   Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)

     President's meeting with Patolichev and Dobrynin
          -Publicity
                 -Peterson
                      -Kissinger’s view

     Kissinger's schedule
          -Briefing on Vietnam
                -John C. Stennis
                -Hawks
                -Liberal Republican senators
                -Day
                -Possible appearance by the President

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 4:25 pm.

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 4:45 pm.

     Vietnam
          -Blockade
               -Liberal Republican senators
                    -Briefing
                          -Withdrawal
                          -Support for the President
                          -Appearance by the President
                               -Rogers and Laird
                               -Advisability
                                     -The President’s view
                               -Questions for the President
                          -Request for briefing by the President
                               -Clark MacGregor
                               -Steven S. Karalekas
                               -Stennis
                               -Barry M. Goldwater, Jr.
                               -John G. Tower
                               -Griffin
                               -Bryce N. Harlow
                               -Margaret Chase Smith
                          -Kissinger
                               -Arrangements
                                     -Soviet Summit
                                     -Time
          -US-Soviet Summit

                                        (rev. Nov-01)
                                                                Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)

                 -Possible cancellation
                 -Peterson and Soviet Union trade delegation meeting
                      -Scheduling
                 -Cancellation
                      -Hue
                 -Possible delay
                      -Date
                 -Cancellation
                      -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.

Kissinger left at 4:45 pm.

Haldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 4:45 and 5:45 pm.

[Conversation No. 337-28/339-1C]

     President's schedule
          -Sequoia cruise
                 -A dinner
                      -Time
                 -Peterson
                 -A smaller boat
                      -Chief of Naval Operations
                 -Time
                 -Peterson

[End of telephone conversation]

     Sequoia
          -Rules of use
          -Peterson
                -The President’s view
                -Use
                     -President's dinner at the White House
                     -Changes
          -Use by the President
          -Use by others

     President's schedule
          -Camp David
          -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
          -Sequoia

                                        (rev. Nov-01)
                                                               Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)

          -Alexander P. Butterfield
          -Camp David
               -Use by others
                     -Cabinet officers
               -Use by the President
                     -Florida
               -Use by others
                     -John N. Mitchell
                     -Richardson
                           -Conflicts with President's use
                     -Laurel Cabin
               -President's trip to California
          -Sequoia
               -Purpose
          -Meeting with senators
               -MacGregor
               -Advisability
               -The President’s view
               -Publicity
               -Kissinger briefing
          -Telephone calls

     Vietnam
          -Blockade
               -Public support
                    -1972 election
                    -Duration
                    -Polls
                          -Release by Colson
                          -ORC poll
                               -Release to Congressional offices and press
                                     -Ronald McMahon
                                     -Scott press conference
                                     -Press questions
                               -Sindlinger poll
                               -Quayle poll
                               -ORC

An unknown person entered at an unknown time between 4:45 pm and 5:45 pm.

     Delivery of a note

                                         (rev. Nov-01)
                                                               Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)

Haldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 4:45 and 5:45 pm.

[Conversation No. 337-28/339-1D]

     Soviets
          -Dinner cancellation
               -Reports
               -Patolichev
                    -Health

[End of telephone conversation]

                     -Confirmation
                          -Kissinger

[The above portion of the conversation took place simultaneously with Conversation No. 337-
28/339-1D]

The unknown peron left at an unknown time between 4:45 pm and 5:45 pm.

Haldeman talked with Kissinger at an unknown time between 4:45 and 5:45 pm.

[Conversation No. 337-28/339-1E]

               -Patolichev
               -Reasons
          -Meeting between the President and Patolichev
          -Dinner cancellation
               -Significance

[End of telephone conversation]

                -Peterson meeting with Patolichev

     Haldeman's schedule
          -Meeting with Connally
          -Meeting with Kissinger
               -Message from Dobrynin

     Vietnam
          -Blockade
               -Senate Republicans

                                   (rev. Nov-01)
                                                           Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)

                -Meeting with President
                -Kissinger briefing
           -Public support
           -Support for the President
                -White House staff
                      -Initiative
                -Harlow
           -Public support
                -Reasons
                      -The President’s efforts
           -Republicans
                -Charles H. Percy, Richard S. Schweiker
                -Constituents

President's schedule
     -Sequoia
            -New rules for use
     -Camp David
            -Uses
                  -Emergency
                  -Family retreat
            -Conferences
                  -Other locations
                  -Airlie House
                  -The Homestead
                  -The Greenbrier
                  -Airlie House
                  -Departmental facilities
            -Value to users
            -Facilities
            -Other locations
                  -Williamsburg
                  -Washington
                        -Sans Souci
                        -A country club
                        -John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts
                        -Movie Association Center

Social events
     -Movie Association
     -Arthur F. Burns
           -Social activities

                                               (rev. Nov-01)
                                                                Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)

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[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 1m 1s ]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6

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            -Kissinger's social activities
                  -Effect
                  -Pace of work
            -President's pace

    Press
            -White House News Summary
                 -President's reading
            -New York Times, Washington Post
                 -President's reading
                       -Reasons
                 -Bias
                 -President's reading
                       -Duration

    Vietnam
         -Blockade
              -Polls
                    -Release

    Polls
            -Sindlinger
                 -Financial status
                 -Publicity
            -ORC
                 -The President’s view
            -George H. Gallup
                 -Public polls

                                  (rev. Nov-01)
                                                           Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)

                -Expense
                -Publicity advantages
     -ORC
     -Louis P. Harris
          -Syndication
          -Costs
     -ORC
          -Mutual benefits of White House work
     -Sindlinger
     -Colson
          -Work with Harris and Sindlinger
          -News summary
     -Harris poll
          -Past polls compared with current polls
          -Timing of release
          -Topics
          -Questions
     -Gallup poll
          -Questions
                -John A. Scali
          -Republican preferences
                -Release
          -Work with White House
                -Questions

Vietnam
     -Support for the President's decision on blockade and mining
           -Gallup poll
                 -Results
                 -Questions
                 -Results
     -President's peace offer
           -Call from James B. (“Scotty”) Reston
           -Kissinger
           -Reston column
           -President's previous speech on blockade and mining
                 -Kissinger
                 -Duration
     -News reports on previous speech on blockade and mining
           -Military aspect
           -Peace offer
     -1971 peace offer

                              (rev. Nov-01)
                                                       Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)

-Congress
      -A resolution supporting the President's peace offer
            -Passage
            -Funds cutoff
            -Kissinger’s view
-Peace offer
      -Prisoners of war [POWs]
      -Ceasefire
      -Troop withdrawal
      -Congressional approval
      -Ceasefire
      -Troop withdrawal
            -Consequences
      -Reston's column
-Congress
      -Funds cutoff
            -Effect
-US troop withdrawal in Indochina
      -Possible ceasefire violations
      -Cambodia
      -Thailand
      -Laos
      -Navy ships
      -Bases
-President's peace offer
      -Compared with possible Congressional proposal
            -Kissinger’s view
            -Political settlement
                  -Nguyen Van Thieu
                  -The President’s instruction
                  -Kissinger
-Soviets
      -Cancellation of Patolichev dinner
            -Significance
      -Meeting with the President
      -Peterson Dinner
      -Maurice H. Stans dinner
            -Effect on Sequoia schedule
      -Peterson dinner
            -Sequoia
      -Patolichev, President, and Dobrynin meeting

                                       (rev. Nov-01)
                                                                  Conv. No. 337-28/339-1 (cont.)

The conversation was cut off at an unknown time before 5:45 pm.

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Okay.
That's interesting.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
Yeah, that's great.
You might bring it up.
Okay.
Sorry, I can't go this far.
Hold on.
Take a right decision.
Okay.
Thank you.
I wasn't ready.
Hello.
Welcome to, uh, our very felled right leg to our right, I understand.
Were you there?
Mm-hmm.
What's, uh, your office?
Why don't you come in and tell me about it?
I'll get the, uh, and ask Paul what you want to do.
Well, that's a lot.
Well, that's a whole day full, I'm sure.
And I, yes, there's the other question, but it's the wires have been, wires have just been carrying page after page.
He went for a full, in questions, he went for a full 45 to 50 minutes.
CBS carried the entire portion of the news, the new news shows, doing care of the segments of it.
He was, you know, he was just as firm and as tough on our policies, just the way that we wanted him to be.
And he had the great tea done by us.
He said, how do you say it?
Well, I said, the American people have always supported the president when I argue him.
They do.
Of course, we do.
That's the threat.
There's no time for quiddits or for a lot of talk about the instant surrender.
I don't think we heard any people on the final board of Bugout show.
He just went on and on.
They kept pressing him, and he wouldn't name names.
They kept pressing him.
He said, well, who are you talking to?
He said, Bugout.
Surrender.
Right.
And he said, well, there's thousands.
Yeah, he said, just wait.
The record is being made, and I think it's quite clear.
Why don't we start naming names?
Well, our co-authors, Scott and Ford, had a press conference and said, you know, two theories are excellent.
Larry has always been reluctant to say.
I'll ask Secretary of Defense, I agree, but it's got four name names.
They just broke them, so I don't know how well.
They probably won't get much to play.
They won't play both, but at least they took them off.
So the three networks were there.
And one of the network reporters came over and told me,
They ran out of copies of the O.R.C.
boat that we had detected as one of the motor vehicles during the present time.
This is the first O.R.C.
One of the reports said this is O.R.C.
Several of them.
Well, it is very respected.
They've never done a bad thing.
We've never picked a poll yet.
That's absolutely right.
We haven't.
We can't.
They are not fixable.
Interestingly enough, similar to this quote, the president came out with almost two points difference.
based on a sample of 600.
If you put it out, you put it out to a truck, and it's only the wires, and we were coming from Edwards, and it's also called Crest Conference, the normal ones.
Yeah, some ship said, well, something about, how can you say that when the people are so opposed to this, or something about it, so you launch the RRC boat.
I think it would get some trouble.
I'm asking because the people are so opposed to it.
What is the actual success of the New York Times editorial?
I mean, I'm picking up from that.
I don't know what context you're keying it with.
The New York Times editorial says the people are opposed to it.
Their whole thesis of the Times editorial is that how can the president take this action, which is so totally opposed to it, to the American people?
Yeah.
They said the old media is running in at the close.
The great majority of the American people are opposed to this.
Can you take an ad in the Times on this case and run them towards the people?
I mean, they hear what the Times said in the editorial period, what the polls said.
They won't take a moment to deal with it.
I do it.
I do it.
I do it.
I stick it right into the title.
I think the best would be to stick it up their ass.
That's right.
That's right.
And it's all about this vision.
There's a certain word, Vietnam, or the Black Mars.
It's exactly the same thing about the press.
Well, exactly, exactly.
How all the people were, that the people were overwhelmingly for the president, and he found through the intelligence in the flight to, I have some teeth for this, the flight to Mars was going on, and then, and then, all of a sudden, but then the press reported, the office, but the people were for it.
You have to read the Washington Post section, the sports section, but don't read Washington.
I'm sorry, you did.
The headline in the Post sports section is, Pundit Ted Williams slanders Nixon's critics.
A problem.
Headline.
And then it says, Ted Williams was sitting in the lobby of the Lord Baltimore Hotel sweating out the rain that washed out the 1980 Orioles.
and says thoughtful Americans everywhere are talking today about President Nixon's decision to minor in the United States.
And quote, Nixon had to do it, regardless of the consequences.
We have 60,000 guys over there we have to protect, said Williamson, by the end of World War II.
He's the greatest president of my lifetime, added Williams, who once buzzed the stir when he questioned President Truman's guts.
Williams cut across party lines by praising President DeVos and other supporters.
but his opinion of the leading Democratic presidential locals was less than baritone.
Those poor guys make me cute, Jim.
You can put that in your column.
Obviously mellowing in his middle years, the manager did not identify the poor guys.
In the view of the last poor under hitter, Nixon always makes the right decisions, at least he makes the effort.
Someone questioned him about the reaction of the Soviet Union to the mining way in Chattanooga.
I'm not afraid of the Russians.
William's staunch defense and chief executive came as no surprise to anyone who visited William's old office in R.O.J.
Stadium as to Nixon's photograph on the internet.
While he was about it, the Rangers manager took a swipe at NBC's Today show, which he charged this morning interviewed more opponents of Mr. Nixon's policies and profiles.
That was horse-shut, as he said.
Then you ask the clowns on the street to come in.
Who is he?
Who is the clowns?
Those long-haired colleagues in the baggy clothes don't pay taxes.
That's pretty cool.
I think they've got to get some martyrs.
The only thing I can say is I don't think the language is colorful enough.
I agree.
Would you agree?
It's a horrible language, and we need to get a condamnative soundbite or we're off.
Can you get me to the jail station, please?
sensational telegraph, sensational telegraph, saying, you know, you're asking to protect the 60,000 Americans and so on and so forth.
It goes into the merits of the thing.
And then he says, as foes, we stand 100% behind you and your efforts for world peace and to make a better country domestically.
Well, I was going to say, Bob, the thing about this is that when I say the colorful line,
Maybe the best thing I could do this weekend is maybe spend my time thinking about what I have to do.
I work by Carol.
I just kind of never remember anything.
Sitting there on the back operating the suit, you've got the goddamn CIA office ass, you know, put out all the bullshit.
The fight is, the great success that I have, and I did in this case, I was the main one that I knew how to get the words out.
We've got to get the words out.
And our people, we don't have anybody really who understands words.
You know what I mean?
When I say we haven't anybody in the political band.
Connery's good at words.
Connery's got the gift of being able to quote.
Quote.
Quote.
No, where did they use it?
Provo.
I should have gone Provo, but that's not gifted.
Oh, but he had one.
All right, before the bugger, the bugger had a cell phone.
He had to go on an instance or under.
That's all right.
Bugger.
All right, put.
Put.
You can.
He's not a magnet.
Well, what I'm getting at is, Bob, who can you get who can write words, words, words, words, more or no?
What I'm getting at is some way to...
Get his ass over here and put him to work.
Will you do that?
Well, could we do that?
Yeah.
If he's that good.
And give any ideas that we want to hurt, particularly labeling the fetuses and all the other, you know, interdiculums.
Come in.
Yes, sir.
Take out some of that.
Just had a little discussion the other day, and he said you should disarm all the planes before they go off.
Yeah.
I don't know about mentions, but he talked before 6,000 people in the Blackbird.
Okay, so very low key.
Oh, here we can bet you about a dollar each day.
You'd better hear it your little wife.
And he just mentioned the Greys.
What the President really was just saying is we will not talk out of the Vietnam War.
Shut up.
You have to be very discredited.
down there that has a talk show and they somehow got a thing going where they say
President's Action, and everybody, you've got all the emotional about how strongly they supported the President, everything, the television stations got all cranked up about it, and they've now set up a thing where they've set up cart tables on street corners for people to sign things to the President saying we support you, and then they're going to put it all together and they want to send it up and let someone present it to somebody's away, obviously.
I haven't signed, I don't know if you know of any more.
Oh, those guys are all cranked up now.
This, this thing.
The pole and this.
They're getting a deal of blood a little bit, so they're having some fun.
I thought you didn't.
Jerry, who was it?
Said to somebody at the conference building.
He said, Pennsylvania.
He took a street call in some town, and it was April 1st.
You see, our poll was right.
Sinlinger's right around the same time.
Sinlinger's, Mr. President, 76.2 support, and that's the same question that ORC gets up and forward with.
Don't worry about you having this is tough.
We didn't put out the template.
That's good.
So that
Let me say this, Chuck.
On the colorful language part, I'm going to go to the candidates this weekend.
I also sent to you, Henry, a memorandum that you probably have on.
What is the problem with this?
The CIA is a communist government.
What is the problem with this?
Have you seen any imagination out of that bunch?
No, I haven't.
No, I haven't.
No, I haven't.
No, I haven't.
No, I haven't.
No, I haven't.
No, I haven't.
In the South, I would indicate that the North is being devastated.
Their people are starving.
Their people are a grand option.
Their riots are occurring.
lie lie lie lie you understand in the north i would put out that that whole regiments have been decimated i would put out also it's all in my memory i put out also another version of it so which i think is very good they're running out of food of this and that huge strikes are going on and uh and so forth you know what i mean i think the idea that
Right now, we have to run the propaganda heavy on the people.
And we haven't been doing this enough.
Not so much for that.
Now, you were up, but I guess before you would leave by the truck, they gave Henry a quick little rundown.
He said, Blair was so hurt.
Yeah, I saw him.
Who was he?
Well, I saw him for 15 minutes on the replay, and he was really hurt.
Well, he was tough.
He was tough.
He was harder than a critic should be.
He's slightly screwed up when he goes getting out to the normal kitchen, but if you're asking him to be
The thing that I thought was best, I don't know if you've seen it, but he was just animated, and they would bore him with questions, and he would not edit his acts.
It was a joke.
It changed his face.
He really is, now later sometimes, very stiff in his presentation.
He was slow in his words, and then he would get back to breathing, and that was the kind of thing he used to do.
Damn, damn.
Well, I know Mel can be on the second point, but I'm going to ask you on the other thing you told Henry about.
You said Scott Ward ripped the shit out of him.
This guy, Ripman, Scott Ripman had the press conference at 2.30.
Scott had never been better.
Very good.
One of the TV reporters came over and had a discussion and said,
There's more stronger public support for this person than there is in this ring.
He said that he's convinced that the political party is running the whole political activity now.
He said it's not 54-35, which is very strong.
He said there's just a rallying feeling in the country that answers deliberate, weighted responses to people's questions.
He said there's a feeling in the country that he's consistent.
He's consistent.
Okay.
Listen to this before you go, sir.
Richardson, by the way, was also ex-president.
But the cabinet members must have thought about the Georgia deal.
He didn't talk about the deal.
He said that he had no choice but to go to the Congress.
That's why they had to go to the Congress.
I don't think that's right.
How did he say that?
It wasn't Richardson.
How did he say that?
It was the embassy party.
I don't know.
Well, the way they do that is to tell all the cabinet people that the president has said that the president's words were so carefully selected, and so they do.
Just to say, well, look, I don't know anything about that.
I'll stand on what the president has said.
Always say that, Chuck.
It's all you can do to me.
It's my bag and not a beggar's.
No, don't understand it.
See, this wasn't how I was going to present this, because I was going to say an unfortunate statement when it's not as good as it is.
don't be ready for it, you don't invest, but the point is just everybody should know, must be very careful, and so you do.
Just let that ride itself, because when they break the summit, I want the money to be on them and not on us, and we don't want to force the confrontation.
Do you understand?
Yes, sir.
Good, thank you.
I had a meeting with the president.
He brought me a note with
I don't know.
They were like...
They don't practice under them.
He says it's now or never.
I'm trying to say.
But I think that I'm just trying to say that he isn't sitting here without any information of what's going on.
Yes.
He said also that he discussed what he said.
Didn't he think or did he tell you that I made a very strange speech in regard to the soldier?
Oh, yeah.
He said that he complained about the captain.
He said if you could keep this, it wasn't better than that.
So he said, can you exactly
He said, look, let me be honest, the whole Politburo group, its president, would say, to sleep with it.
It would have been, I said, not much to do with it.
And look, the way to handle it is that, why don't we sleep it over?
That president raised it to the president.
That way we don't have trouble with .
Right.
So you know, people are talking.
There is no question whatever about this meeting.
Or they can turn around and hit it or something.
On the other hand, if it is, we're not going to work.
On the other hand, Mr. President, in mere fact, you did it now 48 hours, and then you've had another tremendous break.
The Truman Treaties have been put off for the week.
Really?
Yes.
What's been going on?
Uh, sitting.
Why?
Why do not we screw it up?
Do you not screw it up?
Well, I screwed it up only to the extent that I was used to send a message to Barr here, to Barr, and therefore Basso just wouldn't buy the proposition that we wanted it.
Hello?
Yes?
We are here.
uh 10 a.m
coming through the front, you know, through the way you're coming through my office, through north, through the lobby, through the northwest gate.
And I've also mentioned the issue of the
No, no, no.
Notify him in the morning.
Okay.
It smells to me now, Mr. Besson, I would put it in bed, the chances were about in 10.
I'd say now it's 46.
Well, you've got to tell Peterson to report it sometime tonight.
I'll let them bring it up.
Okay.
You never know.
Whatever it is.
Their attitude is one that they can't turn on us talking.
It's an amazing...
Now that things are going pretty well for us, because if they do not have very tough, the treaties are cooked.
You don't have to do things like that.
And they think we have to go back to the United States.
I think the correct thing to say, one phone call from us would impact us.
The absence of that phone call just wasn't enough to, I mean, it's just some of the problems
I don't afford them.
And you see, in order to pass this disease, the Islamic countries must go in.
They can't cancel it today, obviously.
And they can't keep the thing in limbo.
I'm certain of this.
But in any case, they can't keep it in limbo because they must take it seriously.
The Chinese have gone out.
I think they've done.
But what's interesting is what we would have expected, what the Japanese could do, is call up their district staff over there, and the Japanese could make a statement.
I don't think they want to.
They could, for example, they could say, use Fort Lyon, which is the building for the Vietnam War.
to prepare attacks around what it is that has knocked out the enemy attack, the expected enemy attack on what it was going to be.
Is that your reason?
I'd like to have a short-term, sorry.
It's a good short-term.
I have to get a good thing to do, and I'm not sure.
Forty-six to ten.
At any rate, we have a two to one shot.
that they do not go out of you even if they cancel the service.
They should postpone the service and leave everything out, so you will see them set back that night.
Yeah, well it holds ideas in the sense that we don't bomb the docks, but we don't need to bomb the docks.
We are now tracking them, Mr. President.
I don't give a damn what these white guys are saying.
It's the oil.
We're getting the oil.
We're getting the railways.
how the hell can any of them do all of this simultaneously without the most severe strain?
If we have to do it all, they have never had a whole lot on themselves.
And Johnson was behind them.
He wasn't minding them, and they weren't fighting as much.
And for the agency, the KPA is better than it only started.
After nine months of putting all this into place, the food was all gotten locally from the D.C.
I don't know about the territory that you copied.
Yeah, but the territory that you copied up to now is unpopular.
What about that promise over there?
The only populated area, the only area where you can capture is the area around that.
That's not a big deal.
Is that right?
Also, aren't they quite aware of our options in terms of the Chinese?
Yeah, they're very good.
I don't know.
It's like, they're like men.
The trouble is, if they try to break our blockade, they have to do it through China.
So if they are the instigators of China's predominance, then I know if they're there or if they're not.
China's dilemma is that if they break the blockade, that means...
every time it has magnified their division.
I mean, .
That's what I'm asking.
They must be worried, too.
And that's why I don't understand it, because they said it's dead.
Well, he can't be done without pressure.
No, no, but he's already agreed to that.
Well, that's what I meant.
I don't mind it, except you can't see him yet.
Well, there's no attempt to see him yet.
I think the only thing we should do is not sit at end of time.
Not at all.
Not sit at end of time.
Just get the press in.
Peterson is such a yapper, I just think.
No, I don't think Peterson's under control.
He's such a dumb too, that if I tell him, he'll blow everything in.
Yeah.
Let me ask you a question.
Our parks and centers have asked that you greet the Liberal Republican senators on Vietnam.
The Liberal Republican senators have asked for a greeting.
That can be made of tomorrow night.
On Vietnam?
Correct.
and they're arguing that they .
But our guys are supporters.
The difficulty with me is this.
Now, I did it before, and I don't think it was a good idea.
You know, they had me walk in there before, and then Rogers and Larry just screwed up.
Not Rogers, but Rogers.
You know what I mean?
That's me and the leaders.
Now, if this isn't right for me at this time, after making this decision, to go and suck around these sons of bitches and then have half of them go out and say we're not going to do what the president did, that's going to ask me questions.
They're going to ask me questions.
I can't do it without doing it.
And I just frankly am not going to put myself in that position.
If they want to go out and kick me in the ass, they can do it.
But I'm not going to do it.
Now, you tell McGregor that you can go straight to hell on this one.
I'm not going to do it.
I don't care who it is.
No, no, now look, Henry, as you know, this gets back to the O'Harlo syndrome.
When I have been asked time and time, will I talk to Margaret Smith, will I talk to this?
The answer is no, I'm not going to do it.
Okay, now do you want Henry to do it or not?
Yes, I should do it.
Yes.
Henry will do it.
Henry will do it.
I think I was too good at Friday morning for a play tomorrow.
You see what answer we got from there?
Friday morning.
Even if our answer is... Yeah.
It's... Let's do it.
Let's just say Friday morning.
Friday morning.
How we can put this through the door, maybe.
What do you mean?
How we should sum it to a score with him.
If you have the summer clock, then you call these guys in and you say, look, shape up, boys.
We know what we're doing.
This is put together.
You'll know tomorrow.
Mr. President, any day, any day away, makes a good week.
It has to be the best that we can now do.
It has to be the best that we can now do.
It has to be the best that we can now do.
Peterson and the Russians were scheduled to go out on the territory down there.
Well, why in the hell do they do this without channeling me?
They weren't supposed to.
They were scheduled for last night, but you had a dinner and they shifted it to tonight.
Okay, Henry.
Thank you.
And as Henry, the main thing to remember is to let them if they cancel.
Just don't worry about it.
Well, we're ready.
I've been begging them to cancel because I have a grand plan.
that you could go without attacking Kuwait, but if they do, we have gone around to the borders with them.
You will completely have to salvage yourselves.
But even if they don't cancel the summit and maintain the position of keeping the negotiations
That'd be the best for you to have this happening on July 20th, having this situation.
We have a close moment to date, sir.
I think that'd be better than going now.
That'd be better than going now.
They were going to just cancel this thing because they were on a preemptible basis.
Haig is arguing that we should not cancel it because they wouldn't be canceling it.
Let them have the vote.
uh he's got a smaller boat one that you can have a dinner on or something where we can go out and i'll just take it to them uh go ahead with the sequoia with the peterson food
I have become, I have become, this is a, we've got a solid rule this year on this thing.
Well, we told them they could have it last night.
You had a dinner scheduled in the White House last night, so we knew you were safe.
See, we let them use the boat.
We know you're out of town.
We know that you're scared.
So they didn't use it.
Then, for some reason, their schedule got screwed up, and they shifted it to tonight.
I just, from now on, I will not use it, period.
I will not.
I just think we'll just stop the cabinet and spark it around enough, and have enough of this stuff, and just always say the boat's not available.
Don't you think so?
Yes, sir.
I do, because the whole value of the boat is for exactly like this.
For example, if I can't go to Captain, if you can't get out, if you can't walk outside, there's no place to go.
You've got BP coming up so that you can at least get away from everybody else and get out on the water and back.
But I just tell Alex to knock it off.
And also knock off Camp David for any money.
I don't want Camp David to lose any money more than me.
Fair enough.
I think that's a good idea, too.
I really think so, because I don't know when in the hell I have it.
I thought every time I go to Florida, maybe I can.
I might have some jackass cabin officer up there.
We've done enough for the cabin.
And for the rest of this year, let's keep it for you and for some people who you can see who are going to want it from time to time.
And tell Mitchell, for instance, to take half of those people up there and get some worked out and that kind of thing.
And we, and also it's the place you can go and you work out these secret things.
Now we had, we got in, we never knew about it, but the time you went up there on the history of color trip, we had a problem because L.A. Richardson had a group up there for a seminar.
They left because it turned out just in time, but it was just in time.
And that's a tough thing.
And I think, I think for the rest of this year, there's just no God in reason for it.
Right.
The only thing that I think we could find, I don't know what I'm going to say.
No.
The new ash, the new laurel, I'm sure you could find it.
No.
Why the hell should I?
The rest is this year.
Let's just try to figure it out.
Except for the period.
If I go to California, then I open it up for those two weeks.
If I go.
I said, but wait till I'm on the way.
And if I come back early, they cancel.
Well, we should, I guess, do something about that.
I guess we should.
I feel it's for the use of the president.
I've got these problems they have at the moment.
get this meeting that you know if you have a book you should let everybody use it that's ridiculous that's not what the book is for what are the situations let me try to get a situation in the center because i know that they'll all squeal about it i mean it's like it wasn't right for clark to take me down to his office
That's exactly right.
The thing is, they can't get me away.
They're trying to get me away, but I'm the old man, and I was always not by, and I was always available.
Now, I don't want to meet them otherwise.
I don't want to buddy-buddy with these guys.
I really don't.
Don't you think the danger of the Friday meeting is that someone will go out there and say, the president begged us, and we told him we'd go to hell?
Yeah, that is certainly the danger.
Now, with a couple of them, with most of them, I think there are a whole team of others that are close, but some of them aren't.
I think some of them we didn't do is the chance, jumping the chance to walk out after a meeting with the president.
I decided not to.
I don't say after a meeting.
I'm technically deciding not to.
That's my problem.
I'm technically doing it.
That's just really the reason I'm addressing you now.
Well, I had to do it, Bob, you know, if I thought it meant a difference in the votes and all that.
But I'm not going to call people up and hold them.
I mean, not them.
When are our guys ever going to realize that this is an election year?
And what are they ever going to realize?
That we have some strength.
That's the point.
It may not splash, but it's all interroged over periods of time.
It got down right in the day.
That's why I want Colson to get that goddamn pole.
I was just going to say, this pole is a case in front.
They have it.
Man to man delivered this to all the people on the hill.
I told them about it.
I handed it to them.
Our guy has handed it to that guy.
They were working it on a... At the Scott Press Times, they gave it out.
They gave copies of it out, and they ran out of copies at the Xerox and more.
They've tried to question it.
They can't question the RG.
No, no.
They will.
No, but they all get seminary off.
See, they question some of those.
Right, because some of those polls know that those...
Seminary?
No, even seminary is not questionable in that sense.
The one that is, is those...
The Russians can't put it in there anymore.
Cancel the visit.
When did we get this report to the Regents?
Cancel the visit.
What do you mean without?
They didn't call because the minister wasn't well or something?
Any response?
We just got a note that the... By then, was that legitimate?
The minister?
He wanted the dinner because he was tired.
He wanted it canceled.
Okay.
You don't think that we can go out and get on with the thing tomorrow or not?
It was sort of a mutual agreement that everybody was tired.
They'd been going to a lot of dinners.
And our guy said, if you don't want to come tonight, that's fine.
And he said, I would appreciate it.
Okay.
So this was sort of an informal thing?
Okay, now does he know the thing is on tomorrow?
Minister does.
Okay, so there's no shakiness there.
You're not concerned about this?
You don't see any implications of it?
This was an informal dinner, and they were talking about setting the time for it.
And the guy was saying, kind of sighing or something, and Peterson said, or one of our guys said, you need to retire.
So that's how the conversation came about.
Did you have your talk with Conley?
No, because Henry was coming over, and I thought he was going to get the Russian reply, and it appeared that if he hadn't, Henry thought he was going to get the Russian reply.
Did he agree?
Yeah.
Mr. Green had said he had a message for him at 315.
Then all he got was a protest on the ship.
So I held off.
If he's going to get that, I'm going to wait.
I don't think I'm being unreasonable.
I don't think it's going to make that much difference for me coming to take her ass.
I agree.
Frankly, I haven't seen the hawk.
How should I see that?
I think that's right.
I think that's the right position to be in.
I do think Henry's going to do some of this, and we're putting him under the conservatives, which is in a way more important.
Well, maybe we should try these.
Although, we're going to get along.
Thank you.
that's what i don't understand is wrong that's what's wrong that i don't understand i don't understand why
Why would the White House, why would they even intervene in the veteran's stuff?
There's nothing down there.
They're self-started.
They're from Maryland.
They're in there and they start fighting.
They're sort of like, we, you know what?
Too much harm all over again.
Yeah.
We've fed them.
We've braved them.
We've drunk them.
We've done everything we can in Nevada to be a well under the wild.
And it's crap that every time they do something like this, we'll be called.
Thank them.
Right?
Thank them.
to just go too far with this sort of stuff.
Yep.
So he died without it.
Well, this shows that, for instance, with these guys, the important thing for you and for them is that 75% of the people think you're doing the right thing.
Why do they think so?
Because you went on television and told them so.
First of all, you worked your ass off to decide what to do, and the people know you did.
They decided, and they went out and told the people what you decided and why you decided that people say good.
Why do you have to suck around Percy and Whitebeard?
I won't go with Percy.
I know that.
What they ought to do is look at their constituents.
We have to use it.
Thank you.
That's what that's there for.
That's a family retreat.
It's not a government conference center.
You can use it for that if you want to.
You'll have the facility over there to do that now.
If you really want to do it.
There's plenty of other places too.
If they go to Early House, they can go to all these other facilities they've all got.
They do.
Greenberg.
They do.
One of the guys did the hotels over that park.
They set them up in a conference.
They had a session.
I think that was outside the people.
It was an area house.
Also, Kent David's value is a one-time value to Southern people.
Once you're able to say, I've been to Kent David, after that, it is all that.
Good enough.
It will be with the New York Times.
It's too good a place for you.
And there isn't any place else.
There is.
Every one of those people can go.
If he wants to get away, get out of Williamsburg.
I don't think it's out of Williamsburg.
They do some other things.
They can go out, for example, to another center.
Well, they can go out to the Sans Souci.
They can go to a country club, every one of them.
Or the Kennedy Center, the theater.
Correct.
They can go out.
I can't do those stages all the time.
They get invited all the time to the Mookie Association at the street.
You know, they have very nice evening, so they have dinner and a good movie.
They go to that.
They're all there.
He was led by Dr. Burns.
I have never been to a free event in this town, and I don't go there yet.
Were you there?
Everyone I have ever been to, Dr. Burns was there.
He never misses a goddamn time.
Really?
He goes to every M.C.
party, every, you know, every free shop there is.
He's probably like, never buys a dinner.
Good.
And he loves parties.
Get up to the counter.
The advisor wants you to apply for free for the last three weeks.
They really want you to come today.
See, that's the, that's the, that's what Henry does like.
And it's, that's what, it's, your content is what enables you to keep going.
It's exhilarating for him.
It's stimulating for him.
It revives and renews him.
It's more than sweet.
He likes it all being done.
He's going all the way to bed.
I like the people who, uh, you know, want to be a mentor and this and that.
You see, I've had a lot.
Well, he works so intensely.
He works so intensely.
All his work is, the only way he can bring is that way.
And if you don't want to pray, Henry needs to pray with us.
He works a little.
He gets more and more willingly turned up to support you.
You work hard.
All right, I'm going to pitch myself quickly.
The best thing I've done, I've read it in a press conference for five weeks.
I ain't gonna read it for another five weeks.
I'm not gonna.
You haven't missed anything.
Well, I suppose I have.
What difference does it make?
What matters is if that's thinking for a place or not.
The only thing wrong with that process is we won't get to read it in the New York Times.
Thank you.
No, no, no.
I don't get it.
I didn't read the front page of the Times, and that was discouraging.
But I think I've got to see that much.
You've got to see something.
I've got to say, no, I've just got to get the feeling about how discouraged people are.
Well, when you do that, you're getting the most discouraged feeling you can get.
Really?
You really are.
Yes.
It is.
It really is.
Well, anyway, I do it quickly.
I do it by hand.
That's my message.
I put my shirt on.
We're saving them financially.
They need the money.
Damn right.
Are there some other, some of our new friends, you know, in the volume, or giving them helps in a certain amount that our friends are doing, and the notoriety they're getting out of us, if we fill them up.
And that's good.
You know what?
The beauty of ORC is that it is an honest, holy garden.
So that's why Gallup does his public polls.
He doesn't lose his money on those public polls.
But it builds him up so that he can sell his services to these commercial services.
And that's ORC.
Paris too.
Paris too.
You're damn right.
They syndicate him.
They don't get enough out of that.
He can pay the cost of running the polls.
We're doing money for them.
They're doing money for us in the process.
It's a good, good mutual, mutual relationship.
Because they busted their asses with these last night.
They thought they were doing it early to get a hand tab on it so it wouldn't come out today.
Caught it just in 10 instead of 10, which was good.
If it had been in noon, we would have probably not gotten out.
That's what I'm talking about.
I really meant it with what Chuck's been able to do there at the center.
He is by the press.
He's not by the...
So what?
They're what get read and gotten.
We used to be the victims of the Harris Poll every month.
We'd sit here, shake his weight, and see how Harris was going to screw us.
Now it's the other way, and it's like, oh, no, better respond to me.
All right, I'm through.
Well, that's the little things that he's doing.
The timing of what he puts out, or what he decides to release and not release, or when and what week he decides to poll.
How we word your question.
You can even gallop something down on that, when they're asking for help, like word your question.
As a result of the scourging, you shouldn't have done it.
The guy, the guy who was going to take us this far,
I'm going to show you, though, how much you can curl down.
Curl this way.
This will be your climax.
Good night.
Good night.
Good night.
Good night.
We know that.
We know there's been fishy stuff on the other side, but now that there's more fishy stuff on that side, it's not a scout yet.
It isn't in terms of just saying black and white.
It's only ever and only because I got legal, but I ain't even false.
Never.
We've never done that.
We haven't.
We have never put those in presence sometimes.
But like in this motel, the question we're running is the leaf.
Is the leaf just unloaded and so on?
Really never.
The headline is, 74% back mining in Haiphong, Harvard.
Who has backed President Strong's saying?
Three out of every four Americans support President Nixon's decision to mine the harbor in Haiphong and every other port on the coast of Vietnam.
Only 21% are opposed to the President's dramatic decision to mine that.
Almost an identical number, 75% of the American people, support the president's proposal to withdraw all American portions of the United States.
These are the results of an action being surveyed.
The results are based on 702 total entities.
Yes.
The president's speech was very...
There it is, very important.
I wrote the goddamn thing.
I got Henry, and I said, Henry, we've got to put it in the e-software.
And I said, you know, I was going to make it three months.
That's the only shit difference.
He said, all right, four months.
We wrote it in, we decided to write in his room, Bob.
And the overriding, I don't remember which part it was, but the overriding, of course, was in my room.
the military action.
But now, on the second pass, they're all discovering this jeep's operation.
And if you go along the barn, in this tree, you can tell it was...
Exactly.
We made it a main during the first period of time, except we've got six months.
But nobody realizes that.
It's just astonishing.
And they...
The thing, we've got a... We've got a strategy decision to make as to, within the Congress,
If we want to, and if we want to back it, back your peace offer, we can get it passed, I think, and approved by both houses.
The problem would be to knock out the fund cutoff.
They're just dying to pass a resolution.
And they will go, well, it would be better to do that than to have it.
Yes, I do admit.
Henry doesn't think we should.
Well, what's the way to do it?
It's worse.
It's worse to do whatever it is.
It's worse to get the passenger ready.
I think we ought to pass a subjection that far.
And then play it.
Does the House and Senate support the President's peace offer?
Which is what it would be.
See if it's an elected offer.
All vetoes on this.