{"conversationCode":"338-021","tapeNumber":338,"conversationNumber":21,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-338-021","startDateTime":"1972-05-09T15:53:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-09T15:56:00.000Z","startDate":"9-May-1972","startTime":"11:53 AM","endDate":"9-May-1972","endTime":"11:56 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator; Rush, [David] Kenneth;","description":"On May 9, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and [David] Kenneth Rush met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 11:53 am and 11:56 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 338-021 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 338-21\n\nDate: May 9, 1972\nTime: Unknown after 11:53-11:56 am\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe White House operator talked with the President.\n\nThe President talked with [David] Kenneth Rush between 11:55 and 11:56 am.\n\n[See Conversation No. 24-50]","filename":["338a.mp3","338b.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:49:02","tapeEnd":"00:50:59","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","White House operator","Rush, [David] Kenneth"],"prevCode":"338-020","nextCode":"338-022","tapeTranscriptFile":"338a.mp3,338b.mp3","transcript":[{"start":2929.72,"end":2935.77,"text":"Okay, I didn't get to see your program, but my spy said you did a hell of a good job."},{"start":2935.79,"end":2936.49,"text":"I just wanted you to know."},{"start":2936.51,"end":2936.81,"text":"Appreciate it."},{"start":2936.83,"end":2938.05,"text":"Well, we appreciate it."},{"start":2938.09,"end":2942.87,"text":"You've done the right thing."},{"start":2942.97,"end":2949.66,"text":"Now we're going to stick to course, and you bastards are either going to settle or they're going to take down the city."},{"start":2949.94,"end":2954.74,"text":"That's going to be it."},{"start":2955.52,"end":2957.22,"text":"And also, we made a dang conciliatory offer."},{"start":2957.24,"end":2958.46,"text":"Let's not forget that."},{"start":2958.5,"end":2970.66,"text":"What more could you offer if we said we'll get out in four months if you give us our prisoners in a ceasefire?"},{"start":2970.96,"end":2973.2,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":2973.22,"end":2981.68,"text":"I appreciate your hard work."},{"start":2981.7,"end":2981.82,"text":"Okay."},{"start":2982.88,"end":2983.36,"text":"See you tonight."},{"start":3038.53,"end":3043.06,"text":"Uh, I don't know whether he's a villain or a cop, uh, but he's probably an animal, a rat, or a, uh, an artisan."},{"start":3043.08,"end":3048.11,"text":"You're telling me I'm a friend."},{"start":3049.65,"end":3049.89,"text":"Correct."},{"start":3049.91,"end":3050.66,"text":"That's what I'm saying."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":2899.625,"end":3069.25,"startMethod":"silence","endMethod":"silence"},"transcriptConfidence":"high","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Deputy Secretary of State Kenneth Rush discussed the administration's firm stance on ongoing Vietnam peace negotiations. Nixon praised Rush for his public defense of the administration's policies and reiterated the government's commitment to its recent peace proposal, which offered a full withdrawal of troops within four months in exchange for a ceasefire and the release of American prisoners. The conversation underscored the administration's resolve to remain on course while pressuring North Vietnam to accept the conciliatory terms.","topics":["Vietnam War","Paris Peace Talks","Prisoners of War","Foreign Policy","Ceasefire negotiations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T15:59:33.866Z"},"topicSlugs":["vietnam-war","paris-peace-talks","prisoners-of-war","foreign-policy","ceasefire-negotiations"],"audioDurationSec":117,"audioFiles":[{"file":"338a.mp3","bytes":116742589,"durationSec":7313.26,"bitrate":127705,"missing":false},{"file":"338b.mp3","bytes":100655368,"durationSec":6305.43,"bitrate":127706,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":true,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:41.909Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:22.780Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/338a.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/338b.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/338-021","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/338/conversation-338-021","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}