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Nixon & Kissinger on George Wallace and Assassination attempt

Monday, May 15, 1972 · 9:29 PM–9:35 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.Conversation339-015 on Tape 339 (tape position 02:44:31–02:49:17)StartMonday, May 15, 1972 at 9:29 PMEndMonday, May 15, 1972 at 9:35 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 339-015 ↗

President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discuss the security assessment and handling of the individual responsible for the attempted assassination of Governor George Wallace, who had occurred earlier that day. Nixon expresses concern regarding the potential for leaks and mismanagement, explicitly instructing Kissinger to withhold related information from Secretary of State William Rogers. The conversation focuses on ensuring the matter is handled securely and that the assailant’s radical background is contained without triggering the public scrutiny experienced during previous political assassinations.

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2:44:40It's not the older one who I get to work.
2:44:41You call Lukash and tell him to call me to report to you.
2:44:43Tell him to call Lukash, the doctor, and I want to report to him and tell him what's going on all the time.
2:44:47But keep right on.
2:44:48Bye.
2:45:17Yeah.
2:45:45John, let me tell you my concern, which I'm sure you're keenly aware of.
2:45:51The Kennedy thing was handled so badly, and everybody's doing more.
2:45:56I don't want us to do this.
2:45:58I want everybody to know that you get this online.
2:46:16Get the best attorney you can get.
2:46:17Get a good attorney, Tom.
2:46:18You will.
2:46:18Try it today.
2:46:19Okay, we're going to judge tonight, Tom.
2:46:20Just be on top of it, Tom.
2:46:20Bye.
2:47:04Yeah.
2:47:04Henry, where are you?
2:47:05At dinner.
2:47:05Yeah, fine.
2:47:05Well, this is one of those damn things, isn't it?
2:47:31Well, he's a 22-year-old fellow from Milwaukee.
2:47:32He's got strange information, you know, on all the things they can do.
2:47:56I'm sure he's a radical, but what I mean is he's just a confused, just a happy-after-case, and all of these stuff.
2:48:00He's crazy.
2:48:00I think I did a very good thing when I ordered him to come.
2:48:03He was a good protection for Kennedy.
2:48:22I ordered, I said, the protection, and also to that woman at the, yeah, the boat, and I said, I'll get the protection.
2:48:25In fact, they were Russian.
2:48:58You take care of that.
2:48:59I'm not worried about that.
2:49:00Just don't submit it to Rogers.
2:49:00Yeah, don't submit it to Rogers.
2:49:01You don't mind.
2:49:02All right, hold on.
2:49:02Hold on.

On May 15, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 9:29 pm to 9:35 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 339-015 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 339-15
Date: May 15, 1972
Time: 9:29-9:35 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President talked with Henry A. Kissinger.

[See Conversation No. 24-126]
  • 024-124 9:23 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone from 9:23 pm to 9:24 pm.
  • 339-013 9:23 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 9:23 pm to 9:24 pm.
  • 024-125 9:25 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman talked on the telephone from 9:25 pm to 9:27 pm.
  • 339-014 9:25 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 9:25 pm to 9:27 pm.
  • 024-126 9:29 PM · 7 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger talked on the telephone from 9:29 pm to 9:35 pm.
  • 024-127 9:35 PM · 6 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 9:35 pm and 9:36 pm.
  • 339-016 9:35 PM · 10 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 9:35 pm and 9:36 pm.
  • 024-128 9:36 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods talked on the telephone from 9:36 pm to 9:39 pm.

Conversation 339-015, May 16, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/339-015 (accessed October 9, 2026).