Nixon, Haldeman & Connally on US-Soviet Summit and Presidential Travel

3:24:55Yeah, right, right, tell, tell, tell, it's up to him.
3:24:55He can't just have Hildebrand come.
3:24:56It's not a command for varmints, and I'm just gonna talk briefly about, sort of give them a feel of the trip and so forth, and I don't want to give away anything like this.
3:25:18And if he wants to come by, there'll be a, our staff will be there, some of them, some of them will not be there.
3:25:24Yeah.
3:25:24I think most of that stuff, though, I won't handle.
3:25:30I just think it's good.
3:25:31Yeah, yeah.
3:25:32You mean, precious to stay, that's the thing.
3:25:35I think...
3:25:42Yeah, I think maybe the doctors would, I mean, they all know where they're going to go.
3:25:46But what would be something that I could tell them that they need to hear?
3:25:49For example, I can tell them that the first, that the two substantive speeches will be the opening toast and the, do they know that I'm going to address the rest of the people by television?
3:25:58I don't put that on the line.
3:26:18But now all that, incidentally, Henry says he doesn't want to commit to it any.
3:26:24He thinks that's too much.
3:26:25He said, don't commit.
3:26:26I'll just say there will be daily briefings.
3:26:30I think I'll just say that.
3:26:36Yeah, yeah.
3:26:37Yeah, fine.
3:26:38There will be regular briefings.
3:26:40There will be progress reports, we all say.
3:26:42Yeah, right.
3:27:00So the hotel, we understand.
3:27:01Hotel facilities are good, we'll say.
3:27:24Yeah, there'll be plenty of cars, plenty of hotels, and so forth and so on.
3:27:26My facilities are fine, okay?
3:27:28All right.
3:27:28I decided to have Roger tonight.
3:27:29I think it's better.
3:27:29I don't want him to be cut out.
3:27:31No, Henry wasn't there yet.
3:28:36He means well.
3:28:37Yeah, that's right.
3:28:39It's a very, he's kind of like, he's kind of like Buchanan in a way, but they figure they've got to come in.
3:28:50Yeah.
3:29:00I mean, a colleague comes in and, God damn it, that QC, he's giving you a lift, you know what I mean?
3:29:02He's sharing it on the other side of the street there.
3:29:04One little lady when I was making the car out of the hospital said, please don't go to Moscow next year, but we'd love to go.
3:29:07She said, don't go to the house of the ungodly.
3:29:32I don't think people feel that way.
3:29:33Not a majority of people feel that way.
3:29:34Not a majority of bad guys.
3:29:35There are a lot of people who do.
3:29:36Hell yes.
3:29:36You know, the amazing thing to me is this reaction to this.
3:29:38I don't know.
3:30:00You know, that's why you just can't, in spite of everything, you get in trouble.
3:30:02And I'm trying not to care about getting in trouble.
3:30:03I'm used to people just shitting around all the time.
3:30:04I just want to get in trouble.
3:30:05I don't want to get in trouble.
3:30:05I just want to get in trouble.
3:30:29Let them have it.
3:30:30Be just the way they're letting themselves have it.
3:31:04I can't even think of those goddamn speeches and arrivals there that smell like money.
3:31:25He hadn't seen that Christ.
3:31:26Really?
3:31:27Hell yeah.
3:31:28Because I said they couldn't send it up until he had it.
3:31:31He had it.
3:31:31He had it.
3:31:32And I called him.
3:31:33I said, oh, don't you go.
3:31:34He doesn't.
3:31:35I haven't seen it yet.
3:31:36He just wouldn't do.
3:31:36Not Christ's fault.
3:31:37I didn't think he had it.
3:31:38What else?
3:31:39No.
3:31:55He just needs, he needs more help now.
3:31:56He can kill some pigs.
3:31:57He'll kill a pig.
3:31:58He'll kill anybody that will speed track him.
3:32:00He'll cross a gap.
3:32:01He'll survive on it.
3:32:01And he can do everything.
3:32:20Oh, forgive me.
3:32:21This is Adele Rodman.
3:32:21She is going to Poland now.
3:32:22That wasn't made.
3:32:22She worked out.
3:32:23Like they said, she's going to Paris.
3:32:24She didn't ask.
3:32:24Why is she with him in Europe?
3:32:25Is that the problem?
3:32:25Or she's going to be in Europe, and so she'll be there with the natives.
3:32:50He never raised the point of going to Russia.
3:32:51Oh yeah, he did earlier.
3:32:52Yes.
3:32:52And he never raised the point of going to Poland with me.
3:32:54He just flatly told them, you know, he worked out the plan and all that.
3:33:15or just to keep her out of my way.
3:33:16She's fine, but I just don't want to make, you know what I mean?
3:33:18All extra people are paying ads.
3:33:19Now I quote, this is Mossbacker's coming to the, you know, this is Mossbacker's space with you.
3:33:22You just go with it.
3:33:23I've understood, though, that she happens to be there, but she's not to come to, and we just are not going to hand it to the police.
3:33:49So, really, I'm down to my concern with the Colson group that's been working pretty well.
3:33:52I'll call John to talk to him.
3:33:53I don't know what the intuition for all our directions is.
3:33:55The question is, what can I do?
3:33:56Yeah, not just with Colson.
3:33:57I've met a greater amount of people who have been using it.
3:34:22I particularly want a major effort made, Bob, to pin on these bastards.
3:34:24And they've got to do it this weekend.
3:34:25And just, we're saying to some of the sons, I want their words, I want them to make it easy.
3:34:29And you know why.
3:34:29This is the peak.
3:34:30There's a chance to discredit the press.
3:34:31Does anybody agree with me on this or not?
3:34:33Or do they want to let them get away with it?
3:34:35Huh?
3:34:35Okay.
3:34:51I have no desire.
3:34:52I don't care about saying, aha, we were right.
3:34:53That's petty.
3:34:53But if you can just credit the price.
3:34:55All right, something else.
3:34:55All right.
3:35:37Well, one is that she could put in quite a bit if she comes out man-wise.
3:35:39Not going into the small ones, but there's several big ones that we just need the people to put in.
3:35:42With the Austrian cancer, anything I'm willing to do goes to them.
3:35:43Well, that's a problem.
3:35:44We shouldn't do that.
3:35:44Well, you don't care what you should.
3:35:45They expect you not to choose.
3:35:45That's part of the problem is cutting...
3:36:07They kept saying we cut people off, and that's...
3:36:08It's all just, no way... We couldn't, it's... We checked it again today, it said we could cut people off.
3:36:35the helicopter you couldn't you can't fly the helicopter where you're going anyway you have to land them way down below you create a huge stern they're afraid to get more of the thing out of that people are just getting the car we've got three different
3:37:14I know, I know, I know this position is absolutely right and I have to sign all those things, but I'll be doing some other things, you know.
3:37:18I've got that thing costing about nine million dollars a year and more to ship.
3:37:38I don't want to be a hero on something like this.
3:37:42I don't mind being a hero on daycare centers.
3:37:44There we got something.
3:37:46Everybody's against black lives.
3:37:48You see my point?
3:37:49I mean, if you're going to have something that passionate, you need to apply it.
3:38:03God damn it.
3:38:03I'm not going to lie to you, but I have it on something that's really good for the hearts of people.
3:38:07I'm not going to lie to you, but I have it on something that's really good for the hearts of people.
3:38:29I didn't have a contract with the secretary of trade, but that was less about it.
3:38:32I tried to sell it.
3:38:32It's all right.
3:38:33I'm doing it on my shoulder.
3:39:13I really can't take this.
3:39:44You'll be sitting with me in your plenary sessions.
3:39:45You'll be on and out with him.
3:39:46You'll have to insist with him that Roger, you're going to have a divorce.
3:39:48It isn't fair for Roger to go out.
3:39:49Henry's making these deals.
3:39:50Yeah, but Henry's not the Secretary of State.
3:39:51He's your staff.
3:40:05Oh, I don't mean Henry should go out.
3:40:06I should make the deal.
3:40:06I should go out.
3:40:07You know what I mean?
3:40:07I'm giving up three or four signing things that I should sign.
3:40:08And I said, well, Henry, let's let Rogers do this.
3:40:09God damn it.
3:40:10Rogers has got to realize the only man that matters now is the president.
3:40:11That's right.
3:40:12Now, you see, that's my question.
3:40:12No, I don't want Henry to go out.
3:40:13It's that.
3:40:13It's better to go Henry.
3:40:14And Henry's not asking.
3:40:14He's not asking to do another thing.
3:40:15Until he gets back, he'll knock me.
3:40:56We go back, we make the case of the Russian gift.
3:41:10I don't know, because I don't know him that well.
3:41:12I don't know what that was.
3:41:12He worked in the PR side of the company, I'm sure he did a good job.
3:41:14We've got a good story with that.
3:41:15So they used that, and when the president heard about it, they asked the president whether he would accept it.
3:41:35for the government, and I think the president said he would provide a legal gift to some other kind of separate event, but what would they want?
3:41:39What would they want?
3:41:39They'd like an automobile.
3:41:40And, uh, so under certain circumstances, you know, we've got money for it, but it's not the president presenting it under the card.
3:41:43And Curtis here, the GM, they said, yeah, we've been provided.
3:42:00for that person.
3:42:01And this follows the pattern of other gifts.
3:42:02It actually does not, in actual market value, it's not as great as a lot of gifts.
3:42:04They might know that.
3:42:05But most of them are objects of art instead of, as people understand, chemical products.
3:42:07You know, as a matter of fact,
3:42:30I don't want to help you.
3:42:31I don't feel as many, though I don't have any understanding of how good it is.
3:42:35I didn't touch it.
3:42:35I know I thought I was in all the pressures, but, you know, that's a lot of horseshit about environment.
3:42:39Yeah, but each other's into it.
3:42:40Some people eat every day.
3:42:41Every day will be a story about them.
3:42:42Every night's a good day.
3:42:43I don't know where you get your credit.
3:42:45Eat your junk, eat your bones.
3:42:46So it isn't just a...
3:42:47I told Agnes, and I brought this to you all this morning.
3:43:12I would think that would mean a hell of a lot to him.
3:43:50You've got to say, you know, he is a patriot.
3:43:51You can't say that from a veteran's perspective.
3:43:52You sure can't.
3:43:52Even though he was a World War II veteran, he's no goddamn patriot now.
3:43:54He's out to tear it down.
3:43:55Wallace is out to save the people who are out to tear it down.
3:44:27I mean, at least convince them that Harvard's not right.
3:44:29That's my point.
3:44:30See, Erdman has a revolver.
3:44:31He has domestic conflict staff on this issue.
3:44:32They really honestly believe it.
3:44:47It's a bad issue.
3:44:48I understand how you have it.
3:44:50The merits, we can argue.
3:44:51As far as the political issue, goddammit, I'm the judge.
3:44:55Huh?
3:44:55There's no question on the political issue, but I don't think there's any real question on the merits either.
3:45:02The merits?
3:45:03No, I'm in.
3:45:04Honest man to disagree on the merits.
3:45:06I'm totally against forced integration of anything.
3:45:08Aren't you?
3:45:08Yes.
3:45:18I can see you.
3:45:51I think people watch the movie a lot.
3:45:53I think so, yes.
3:45:54The great majority there, some people like that lady, said, you are going to lose her because it went into this movie.
3:45:59That's the kind of people that also say, don't go on it.
3:46:00It's got a different way of my shooting.
3:46:01It's quite an issue.
3:46:02So many people, you know, said, oh, man, that's not the first thing.
3:46:05I was really kind of touched by it.
3:46:07They were cheering, you know, you know, you know.
3:46:25Don't we get that from our speakers?
3:46:26Absolutely.
3:46:26They all say that when they come back in.
3:46:28All they need to do on the bench is, indirectly mention the words.
3:46:30Everybody leaped up and cheered.
3:46:31We kind of started when he came back, we started kicking his ass.
3:46:56Is that your collar?
3:46:57Good morning.
3:46:58Good morning.
3:47:31I've had a chance to think about your trip, John, and if you would sort of make some mental notes.
3:47:37I think you should leave about the day after I get back.
3:47:41And I'll tell you why.
3:47:42I'll be back, and then it's hot news, you know, if you're going out to report.
3:47:46I think you should go to the foreign countries in Latin America and I'm going to be starting to find things.
3:47:51I'm like, we're just keeping this between you and me at this point because I don't want to stay.
3:47:56I'm going to start adding all those chicken little countries down there, you see.
3:48:05Colombia, Brazil, Argentina, Peru, and that nature here.
3:48:06Now, I think if we can work it out logistically, it would be useful for you then to flip on over and do the same in Australia.
3:48:19Now, the only other possibility, and I haven't been able to get my book together, to see if there was a place that you could stop further on around to go on around the world, see, rather than coming around.
3:48:29You wouldn't mind doing that, would you?
3:48:30I just don't know.
3:48:31I mean, you might see, see, Agnew's done it.
3:48:32I don't want you to know this, but the only ones, unfortunately, hold your breath are India and Pakistan.
3:48:36I don't think you're going to believe me.
3:48:52Well, it would be useful to us, but Saudi, well, yeah, the trouble with Egypt, we won't have diplomatic relations.
3:48:57Saudi Arabia, I think that, but no, no, she did a black act.
3:49:00Now, on the other hand, it might be that we might want you to do a place like Morocco,
3:49:21Morocco nationwide, Ethiopia, what you see in Ethiopia might be an idea.
3:49:25I'll check that out, too.
3:49:28But anyway, I just want you to know to plan that.
3:49:31Now, figure in your plan.
3:49:33I think you've got to spend two days in each country.
3:49:37And my view is that I would try to spend a couple days in each country, but I would spend three days in Brazil.
3:49:49So you don't preserve it, and then I think you ought to tell them you'd like to fly over, or at least see the new Amazon Highway, and then get down around San Paolo, the big city, and look at that project.
3:50:03I'm still counting on you to come up with a deal.
3:50:13Well, you can do some private checks with your friends, just a place to go.
3:50:15But what we'll do is, and I'm going to, I'm just talking to Bob here, and he won't be here to work it out, but I will have a, I want you to take one of our presidential clients.
3:50:30And then I think you ought to take a little staff.
3:50:31Oh, I wouldn't take too many.
3:50:32They bother you, but you might want to take somebody from the NSC staff, somebody from the state.
3:50:46Now, if Shultz is not confirmed, I talked to Georgie today and I told him I don't think that makes any difference for this reason.
3:51:00I think that what we can say, in effect, is that, well, after all, Schultz is now in.
3:51:05He can be active.
3:51:07And do you agree?
3:51:08Because you really will have finished all you have to do with Schultz.
3:51:13See, you've got 10 days now to do that, you see.
3:51:16Okay.
3:51:17Now, that will run from about the second you've got to figure, I think you're looking, figure travel time, two and a half to three week trip.
3:51:28Right.
3:51:29Right.
3:51:29But with that flying, it would be uncomfortable.
3:51:31Okay.
3:51:31Well.
3:51:38Well, if you go to Australia, it doesn't really make a hell of a lot of sense to come back here, see.
3:51:42Well, it does.
3:51:42It's a little shorter to come back here than it is.
3:51:44Because, you see, you've got to come back here to report to me if you can.
3:51:47So you've got to come to Washington.
3:51:48If you were coming to Texas, then it would be just about better to come.
3:51:51You've got a little bit more time.
3:51:52Because Australia is a step away to hell and on.
3:51:53And so you've already done Indonesia, Bangkok, all those countries.
3:52:14Well, I guess my head's on the line, too.
3:52:15It might be useful at that point.
3:52:16We'll take a look then.
3:52:16Singapore?
3:52:16All right.
3:52:16Lee Kuan Yew?
3:52:17Yeah.
3:52:45All right.
3:52:46Well, there's what I have in mind.
3:52:47I just wanted you to have it.
3:52:53You got it.
3:52:54Well, I'll tell you, John, I'll get together.
3:52:56I've got to go over now and greet the leaders, and I've got to go greet the damn press.
3:53:02Good night.
3:54:39But this trip will be a very, very good one for the country, and I hope you all will enjoy it.
3:54:41And I want, and I deliberately don't want you to think it's too hard.
3:54:43You know, I mean, I do.
3:54:43The South Americans, you know, they wear you out.
3:54:44They have long necks.
3:54:45But the Australians are great.
3:54:45The New Zealanders are great.
3:54:46You know, they have the British have something where you don't have to get in.
3:54:48And God, you're going to love Australia.
3:54:49You know, there's a great deal of Texas, you know,
3:55:08I'll be in touch with you or Bob will be tonight or tomorrow morning.
3:55:18Fair enough?
3:55:19All right.
3:55:45All right, John.
3:55:46How are you getting along with Charles?
3:55:47Is he all right?
3:55:47I had a good talk with him.
3:55:48I told him that today.
3:55:50I told him that today.
3:55:50I know.
3:55:51Yes.
3:55:51Yes.
3:56:18Well, he really shouldn't.
3:56:21I said, why, of course you shouldn't.
3:56:24And in fact, John, I told him I said it.
3:56:27You are going to have all the responsibilities in common.
3:56:30We can't have you do anything else.
3:56:34Otherwise, the downgrade is going to make it clear that we have a lot to agree with.
3:56:39I want to say here that across the board of counsel, here to the chief of the non-exposed, here to the caretaker, our caretaker, and to the caretaker.
3:57:01Maybe not a thing for Barnes in Italy.
3:57:02I wonder if they want to offer going to Italy.
3:57:05You probably had it, but he might have liked the excuse to get her back in.
3:57:11They might want to finish up their spin.
3:57:13Good.
3:57:13Kelly might want that.
3:57:14I thought we got a chance to go to those important about that.
3:57:21I can see you above the board again.

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