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Yeah, right, right, tell, tell, tell, it's up to him.

He can't just have Hildebrand come.

It's not a command for varmints, and I'm just gonna talk briefly about, sort of give them a feel of the trip and so forth, and I don't want to give away anything like this.

And if he wants to come by, there'll be a, our staff will be there, some of them, some of them will not be there.

Yeah.

I think most of that stuff, though, I won't handle.

I just think it's good.

Yeah, yeah.

You mean, precious to stay, that's the thing.

I think...

Yeah, I think maybe the doctors would, I mean, they all know where they're going to go.

But what would be something that I could tell them that they need to hear?

For example, I can tell them that the first, that the two substantive speeches will be the opening toast and the, do they know that I'm going to address the rest of the people by television?

I don't put that on the line.

But now all that, incidentally, Henry says he doesn't want to commit to it any.

He thinks that's too much.

He said, don't commit.

I'll just say there will be daily briefings.

I think I'll just say that.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, fine.

There will be regular briefings.

There will be progress reports, we all say.

Yeah, right.

So the hotel, we understand.

Hotel facilities are good, we'll say.

Yeah, there'll be plenty of cars, plenty of hotels, and so forth and so on.

My facilities are fine, okay?

All right.

I decided to have Roger tonight.

I think it's better.

I don't want him to be cut out.

No, Henry wasn't there yet.

He means well.

Yeah, that's right.

It's a very, he's kind of like, he's kind of like Buchanan in a way, but they figure they've got to come in.

Yeah.

I mean, a colleague comes in and, God damn it, that QC, he's giving you a lift, you know what I mean?

He's sharing it on the other side of the street there.

One little lady when I was making the car out of the hospital said, please don't go to Moscow next year, but we'd love to go.

She said, don't go to the house of the ungodly.

I don't think people feel that way.

Not a majority of people feel that way.

Not a majority of bad guys.

There are a lot of people who do.

Hell yes.

You know, the amazing thing to me is this reaction to this.

I don't know.

You know, that's why you just can't, in spite of everything, you get in trouble.

And I'm trying not to care about getting in trouble.

I'm used to people just shitting around all the time.

I just want to get in trouble.

I don't want to get in trouble.

I just want to get in trouble.

I don't want to get in trouble.

Let them have it.

Be just the way they're letting themselves have it.

I can't even think of those goddamn speeches and arrivals there that smell like money.

He hadn't seen that Christ.

Really?

Hell yeah.

Because I said they couldn't send it up until he had it.

He had it.

And I called him.

I said, oh, don't you go.

He doesn't.

I haven't seen it yet.

He just wouldn't do.

Not Christ's fault.

I didn't think he had it.

What else?

No.

He just needs, he needs more help now.

He can kill some pigs.

He'll kill a pig.

He'll kill anybody that will speed track him.

He'll cross a gap.

He'll survive on it.

And he can do everything.

Oh, forgive me.

This is Adele Rodman.

She is going to Poland now.

That wasn't made.

She worked out.

Like they said, she's going to Paris.

She didn't ask.

Why is she with him in Europe?

Is that the problem?

Or she's going to be in Europe, and so she'll be there with the natives.

He never raised the point of going to Russia.

Oh yeah, he did earlier.

Yes.

And he never raised the point of going to Poland with me.

He just flatly told them, you know, he worked out the plan and all that.

or just to keep her out of my way.

She's fine, but I just don't want to make, you know what I mean?

All extra people are paying ads.

Now I quote, this is Mossbacker's coming to the, you know, this is Mossbacker's space with you.

You just go with it.

I've understood, though, that she happens to be there, but she's not to come to, and we just are not going to hand it to the police.

So, really, I'm down to my concern with the Colson group that's been working pretty well.

I'll call John to talk to him.

I don't know what the intuition for all our directions is.

The question is, what can I do?

Yeah, not just with Colson.

I've met a greater amount of people who have been using it.

I particularly want a major effort made, Bob, to pin on these bastards.

And they've got to do it this weekend.

And just, we're saying to some of the sons, I want their words, I want them to make it easy.

And you know why.

This is the peak.

There's a chance to discredit the press.

Does anybody agree with me on this or not?

Or do they want to let them get away with it?

Huh?

Okay.

I have no desire.

I don't care about saying, aha, we were right.

That's petty.

But if you can just credit the price.

All right, something else.

All right.

Well, one is that she could put in quite a bit if she comes out man-wise.

Not going into the small ones, but there's several big ones that we just need the people to put in.

With the Austrian cancer, anything I'm willing to do goes to them.

Well, that's a problem.

We shouldn't do that.

Well, you don't care what you should.

They expect you not to choose.

That's part of the problem is cutting...

They kept saying we cut people off, and that's...

It's all just, no way... We couldn't, it's... We checked it again today, it said we could cut people off.

the helicopter you couldn't you can't fly the helicopter where you're going anyway you have to land them way down below you create a huge stern they're afraid to get more of the thing out of that people are just getting the car we've got three different

I know, I know, I know this position is absolutely right and I have to sign all those things, but I'll be doing some other things, you know.

I've got that thing costing about nine million dollars a year and more to ship.

I don't want to be a hero on something like this.

I don't mind being a hero on daycare centers.

There we got something.

Everybody's against black lives.

You see my point?

I mean, if you're going to have something that passionate, you need to apply it.

God damn it.

I'm not going to lie to you, but I have it on something that's really good for the hearts of people.

I didn't have a contract with the secretary of trade, but that was less about it.

I tried to sell it.

It's all right.

I'm doing it on my shoulder.

I really can't take this.

You'll be sitting with me in your plenary sessions.

You'll be on and out with him.

You'll have to insist with him that Roger, you're going to have a divorce.

It isn't fair for Roger to go out.

Henry's making these deals.

Yeah, but Henry's not the Secretary of State.

He's your staff.

Oh, I don't mean Henry should go out.

I should make the deal.

I should go out.

You know what I mean?

I'm giving up three or four signing things that I should sign.

And I said, well, Henry, let's let Rogers do this.

God damn it.

Rogers has got to realize the only man that matters now is the president.

That's right.

Now, you see, that's my question.

No, I don't want Henry to go out.

It's that.

It's better to go Henry.

And Henry's not asking.

He's not asking to do another thing.

Until he gets back, he'll knock me.

We go back, we make the case of the Russian gift.

I don't know, because I don't know him that well.

I don't know what that was.

He worked in the PR side of the company, I'm sure he did a good job.

We've got a good story with that.

So they used that, and when the president heard about it, they asked the president whether he would accept it.

for the government, and I think the president said he would provide a legal gift to some other kind of separate event, but what would they want?

What would they want?

They'd like an automobile.

And, uh, so under certain circumstances, you know, we've got money for it, but it's not the president presenting it under the card.

And Curtis here, the GM, they said, yeah, we've been provided.

for that person.

And this follows the pattern of other gifts.

It actually does not, in actual market value, it's not as great as a lot of gifts.

They might know that.

But most of them are objects of art instead of, as people understand, chemical products.

You know, as a matter of fact,

I don't want to help you.

I don't feel as many, though I don't have any understanding of how good it is.

I didn't touch it.

I know I thought I was in all the pressures, but, you know, that's a lot of horseshit about environment.

Yeah, but each other's into it.

Some people eat every day.

Every day will be a story about them.

Every night's a good day.

I don't know where you get your credit.

Eat your junk, eat your bones.

So it isn't just a...

I told Agnes, and I brought this to you all this morning.

I would think that would mean a hell of a lot to him.

You've got to say, you know, he is a patriot.

You can't say that from a veteran's perspective.

You sure can't.

Even though he was a World War II veteran, he's no goddamn patriot now.

He's out to tear it down.

Wallace is out to save the people who are out to tear it down.

I mean, at least convince them that Harvard's not right.

That's my point.

See, Erdman has a revolver.

He has domestic conflict staff on this issue.

They really honestly believe it.

It's a bad issue.

I understand how you have it.

The merits, we can argue.

As far as the political issue, goddammit, I'm the judge.

Huh?

There's no question on the political issue, but I don't think there's any real question on the merits either.

The merits?

No, I'm in.

Honest man to disagree on the merits.

I'm totally against forced integration of anything.

Aren't you?

Yes.

I can see you.

I think people watch the movie a lot.

I think so, yes.

The great majority there, some people like that lady, said, you are going to lose her because it went into this movie.

That's the kind of people that also say, don't go on it.

It's got a different way of my shooting.

It's quite an issue.

So many people, you know, said, oh, man, that's not the first thing.

I was really kind of touched by it.

They were cheering, you know, you know, you know.

Don't we get that from our speakers?

Absolutely.

They all say that when they come back in.

All they need to do on the bench is, indirectly mention the words.

Everybody leaped up and cheered.

We kind of started when he came back, we started kicking his ass.

Is that your collar?

Good morning.

I've had a chance to think about your trip, John, and if you would sort of make some mental notes.

I think you should leave about the day after I get back.

And I'll tell you why.

I'll be back, and then it's hot news, you know, if you're going out to report.

I think you should go to the foreign countries in Latin America and I'm going to be starting to find things.

I'm like, we're just keeping this between you and me at this point because I don't want to stay.

I'm going to start adding all those chicken little countries down there, you see.

Colombia, Brazil, Argentina, Peru, and that nature here.

Now, I think if we can work it out logistically, it would be useful for you then to flip on over and do the same in Australia.

Now, the only other possibility, and I haven't been able to get my book together, to see if there was a place that you could stop further on around to go on around the world, see, rather than coming around.

You wouldn't mind doing that, would you?

I just don't know.

I mean, you might see, see, Agnew's done it.

I don't want you to know this, but the only ones, unfortunately, hold your breath are India and Pakistan.

I don't think you're going to believe me.

Well, it would be useful to us, but Saudi, well, yeah, the trouble with Egypt, we won't have diplomatic relations.

Saudi Arabia, I think that, but no, no, she did a black act.

Now, on the other hand, it might be that we might want you to do a place like Morocco,

Morocco nationwide, Ethiopia, what you see in Ethiopia might be an idea.

I'll check that out, too.

But anyway, I just want you to know to plan that.

Now, figure in your plan.

I think you've got to spend two days in each country.

And my view is that I would try to spend a couple days in each country, but I would spend three days in Brazil.

So you don't preserve it, and then I think you ought to tell them you'd like to fly over, or at least see the new Amazon Highway, and then get down around San Paolo, the big city, and look at that project.

I'm still counting on you to come up with a deal.

Well, you can do some private checks with your friends, just a place to go.

But what we'll do is, and I'm going to, I'm just talking to Bob here, and he won't be here to work it out, but I will have a, I want you to take one of our presidential clients.

And then I think you ought to take a little staff.

Oh, I wouldn't take too many.

They bother you, but you might want to take somebody from the NSC staff, somebody from the state.

Now, if Shultz is not confirmed, I talked to Georgie today and I told him I don't think that makes any difference for this reason.

I think that what we can say, in effect, is that, well, after all, Schultz is now in.

He can be active.

And do you agree?

Because you really will have finished all you have to do with Schultz.

See, you've got 10 days now to do that, you see.

Okay.

Now, that will run from about the second you've got to figure, I think you're looking, figure travel time, two and a half to three week trip.

Right.

But with that flying, it would be uncomfortable.

Okay.

Well.

Well, if you go to Australia, it doesn't really make a hell of a lot of sense to come back here, see.

Well, it does.

It's a little shorter to come back here than it is.

Because, you see, you've got to come back here to report to me if you can.

So you've got to come to Washington.

If you were coming to Texas, then it would be just about better to come.

You've got a little bit more time.

Because Australia is a step away to hell and on.

And so you've already done Indonesia, Bangkok, all those countries.

Well, I guess my head's on the line, too.

It might be useful at that point.

We'll take a look then.

Singapore?

All right.

Lee Kuan Yew?

Yeah.

All right.

Well, there's what I have in mind.

I just wanted you to have it.

You got it.

Well, I'll tell you, John, I'll get together.

I've got to go over now and greet the leaders, and I've got to go greet the damn press.

Good night.

But this trip will be a very, very good one for the country, and I hope you all will enjoy it.

And I want, and I deliberately don't want you to think it's too hard.

You know, I mean, I do.

The South Americans, you know, they wear you out.

They have long necks.

But the Australians are great.

The New Zealanders are great.

You know, they have the British have something where you don't have to get in.

And God, you're going to love Australia.

You know, there's a great deal of Texas, you know,

I'll be in touch with you or Bob will be tonight or tomorrow morning.

Fair enough?

All right.

All right, John.

How are you getting along with Charles?

Is he all right?

I had a good talk with him.

I told him that today.

I know.

Yes.

Well, he really shouldn't.

I said, why, of course you shouldn't.

And in fact, John, I told him I said it.

You are going to have all the responsibilities in common.

We can't have you do anything else.

Otherwise, the downgrade is going to make it clear that we have a lot to agree with.

I want to say here that across the board of counsel, here to the chief of the non-exposed, here to the caretaker, our caretaker, and to the caretaker.

Maybe not a thing for Barnes in Italy.

I wonder if they want to offer going to Italy.

You probably had it, but he might have liked the excuse to get her back in.

They might want to finish up their spin.

Good.

Kelly might want that.

I thought we got a chance to go to those important about that.

I can see you above the board again.