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in Washington, clouding with thunderstorms in Camp David, clouding with thunderstorms in Peter's Game, clouding with thunderstorms in San Clemente, and clouding with thunderstorms in Palm Springs.

So, bad as it was, we couldn't have done any better anywhere else, apparently.

Yeah, I think the problem was, it was huge, I had to deal with it huge.

I had to set up a business.

But he used to make a ruthless check on the weather before we'd ever go anyplace in the future.

Because that was forecast, and there was no possibility to change.

That it was going to be during the night, and hell, if I want to sit around, I'm going to sit around, you know.

I can't take it and sit around and float.

I mean, it's no problem.

Somehow, we didn't mind it, but, you know.

Yeah, and it's too bad to go all the way down there and then go out about, you know, one hour a day.

It's not worth hanging on to all the press.

But now you've had that followed up with Kevin DeBrennan or somebody, one of the following types of guys, right?

The Navy got into that pretty good.

What you really, I really want to know, in other words, if I'm playing film, they say, look, we've really got that.

What's your final film?

Are you going out there at all?

The idea of staying three or four more days is ridiculous because it's going to be bad for the board.

Yes, it is.

That's what's been by the way.

We just can't do it.

Probably with early winding afters and better storms.

Every meeting probably only.

Yeah.

I try.

No comment.

We're coming on it.

But it's funny.

We had a good season with Donna.

Yeah, but it didn't go well last time.

I didn't even say anything.

I didn't say anything from any sports.

The quietness was early morning, followed by showers.

Henry said he'd eat.

He said that he'd already come off the beach once in a while today.

I mean, he only did that after some of the wine.

Well, I'm glad that you guys were thankful.

Don't worry about it.

It's your judgment, too, that if you can't, you know, you need to wait a week before you get your start to take your time.

Well, I'm glad, but here we got this one here.

Nobody's going to say, I didn't get any time off.

You didn't get any time off.

Well, what I had is I was there Saturday, Sunday.

Yeah, but it didn't count.

It was though that Kissinger came down Sunday.

You met with him, and you met with Bundy, and all that.

The picture ran all night yesterday.

You didn't find any trip.

I don't know if you can get a story out of that.

No, you went to church on Sunday.

Pretty good.

I don't know if you can get a story out of that.

Was there?

Oh, yeah.

It really was, because Huffman played it beautifully.

He made it beautiful.

Well, they said they changed his text to Blessed are the Peacemakers, and went through the night of the generation of peace, the reception by the people, the reception for the people, you know, almost any place you think the reception will be.

I don't know what that means.

But I think it was just right there.

We got a nice reception at the airport.

It was totally spot on.

Man, that was a good hotel.

That was a good flight.

I didn't see anything on the hotel.

I think that you got a very, very good flight.

You wouldn't know on the airport.

And I didn't see anything on the church.

And that, funny thing, the Miami Herald, the 500th airport, there were at least, I don't know, at least four, three, four hotels.

You can't get them.

About 500 is a big crowd.

They don't realize it.

They don't scream as much as they think.

That's right.

Because people don't know the difference.

Correct.

500 is a lot.

And they really don't.

We look at that crowd and figure, people, as long as there's a crowd, as long as there's a picture of people that are going to be signing, that's where we'll get it or whatever.

And as you've got that, I'm going to do this, so follow me now.

I'm still doing that.

I can't do that.

Every morning, I can't go back to sleep.

I started staying up late at night.

That doesn't work.

Apparently, you just gotta wait.

It just takes time.

I think that Tom, I think, is in very good shape now.

He happens to be alive.

He seems to be.

He's all right.

He's fine.

He's doing good.

I don't know.

He can't be there then.

He won't be able to finish.

Why didn't he finish the assignment?

I don't know.

He had to add countries all over the place.

It was a major foreign policy tour.

And he said he was out of Timor in South America.

We had to drop him.

He didn't do it.

That's great.

What do you know about, uh, well, what you do, your posture, and uh, we've talked about that quite a bit over the weekend, and uh,

No, he didn't.

We talked politics.

We talked politics, but he didn't talk about what I should do.

He just...

It's kind of interesting, because he has the same very strong feeling that Colson's got.

I guess, to be clear, from the early stuff he decided not to try to work on until the 90s, but I know John feels the same way about it.

No, I think John's backing up over the years, which is kind of interesting.

economy with his brain.

He says he's all for his leadership.

He says the president has now sold the American people on his strength.

He has sold them that he is not just an ordinary politician.

He said that's something you could have hoped for but not really thought you'd accomplish, even with the momentum of these trips.

But you have accomplished it.

He said now, for God's sake, don't screw it up.

The only thing that can go wrong now is if you guys make it go wrong.

And I said, well, what do you think he ought to do during the month of June?

We've got a period now, John.

We've already decided we're going to lay low during the Democratic Convention period.

He said, well, you sure as hell better.

Correct.

He said, let them eat each other up and make sure everybody sees everybody.

Because you don't want to detract from that one bit.

But then I said, well, we've got three weeks.

Let's say this week is pretty much out.

You just can't this week.

Also, we ought to fix it.

You've got to lay low.

You've got to fix it.

On your head, it's a minor scar.

This, I don't think it's going to do this in the scenario, this is kind of a...

It's kind of related to the dude I was talking to against the comic where you just hit the sharp edge.

Yeah, the upright, you know, that metal piece of the window track.

How did it happen?

Did somebody push you against it?

No, I was looking out the window, taking a movie as we were pulling out of the... And it drived out of the crowd, and the car in front of us stopped, and our car jammed on its brakes, and we hit the car in front of us, and it just shoved my head forward.

It was pretty good.

It was pretty good, yeah.

I said we've got three weeks in June after this week before July, before we go to the Democratic Party.

And what should we do then?

Because there are a lot of options we could get out.

We've got a lot of good opportunities and a lot of pressures to get out into the country.

We've got a lot of things we can do here.

We can make some big moves here, do some public events out of the White House and stir up a lot of activity.

And he said, just absolutely don't do anything to create a big stir.

Don't make any effort to get up front.

What about the Janice Sapphire theory of momentum?

He just got it off.

He says, publicly, the President's posture should be that he is working very hard on foreign policy.

Foreign policy.

Ah.

Not in events.

He should be getting his treaties developed and worked through with Congress, and he should be shoring up and touching his foreign policy bases.

Like the meeting with Ted, he said the meeting, he said my trip, this is exactly right.

And he got the tie to that as well.

He ought to have a lot of meetings with Kissinger, and there ought to be a lot of things going on.

So you've got to get Bill Rogers' work in here, and there are things.

Just keep the momentum going on foreign policy, publicly.

But it's negative, and you should be identified with it as his view.

And he said he should play a very low-key posture even as president.

In other words, even in what he's doing in the White House.

So he wouldn't have a big press conference?

I wouldn't.

I don't think he'd have any more press conferences.

I'm almost convinced.

Except in the office.

I didn't ask him about the press conference specifically.

Go ahead.

Then he said it would be okay to do a couple of major conventions.

And then he made a pitch for the Alliance International in Mexico City.

He might have arrived there.

But he said, Mike, you knew about the Rotary Convention.

And then I mentioned the JC Convention.

He said, well, a couple like that would be very good if he does it on a very presidential-type scale.

And he should keep talking about his trip.

Anytime he's not on that, he should be talking about Moscow and Peking.

and all that.

Although he should be thinking about the domestic issues and politics, but he shouldn't say anything about the domestic issues, and he should say absolutely nothing about politics.

So that's his view.

Now, Colston's view has become the same only more so.

In fact, he said on the Schedule of Recommendations, the stuff we've been working on with the police, he said, I want automatically to be removed from endorsing any state of the event, because I don't believe the President should not do any public event.

You know, didn't we sort of think this after Channel 2?

Remember, we came back every month off the plane.

Our whole image had changed.

Yeah, but we didn't, we didn't bargain for that.

And they, they aren't, at least so far, they haven't delivered or started something like that.

I'm sorry that they had done it before we got back, before we got off the plane.

Yeah, that's a great point.

I agree with all the points.

Now go ahead with Colson.

Because we may be kidding ourselves, but Colson just feels that... Well, except in...

I don't know why.

But he won't give, he won't even okay a, you're going to have to put a little lead on him if you get the chance.

He won't.

He won't okay a Q&A or any speech inserts unsolved or anything.

You know, we've got people who want to help us who are not.

We can't give the material.

I'll talk to him about it.

I'll get him in today.

His argument is, to our guys, is, you know, for Christ's sake, for once we've done something done right and we're in a perfect position.

I don't know who you are.

I'd like to screw it up.

And, uh, to a degree you may be right, but we can't, there isn't going to be a void existing.

And Henry can't carry the whole line of thought.

Well, by then also, the Democrats would be off screwing around, talking about, you know, the whole, uh, two or three of them around here today.

Where, uh, you read them on the paper, and now you've got the goddamn Washington Post in hand on it.

He argues, for instance, that he should under no circumstances do the J.C. Convention.

Because there's a lot of work.

There's a lot of work preparing for it.

There's a lot of effort and time spent going out there.

But anyway, you have to get there, you have to go in, and you get a maximum of two minutes of COVID-19.

And what good does this do, at this point in time?

He doesn't think, he argues, for instance, that he should, under no circumstances, do the J.C. infection.

Because, his plan is a lot of work.

He already said it in the public.

Let's face it, it's a lot of work preparing for it.

But anyway, you have to get there, you have to go in, and you get a maximum of two minutes.

And what good does this do at this point in time?

He won't be able to come back.

Well, he also argues that, sure, you can get agreement about a probation and all that, but is that a hell of a good picture of a bunch of, as he puts it, he'll look like the president standing there with his arms up before a bunch of screaming drunken J.C. And I argue, well, you don't have to be the president to play that game one of the number one.

He doesn't have to go in there with his arms up in a convention and come in on a very cool kind of basis and still have a great job.

You got out of the car.

You played it so cool.

You didn't go to those people.

You stood there and walked back.

And they then scourged their lines.

And you went through very slowly.

And it wasn't that you weren't eager to get to the pole.

I guess you were responding to the pole.

But he already countered to that very strongly that he's going to have a press conference.

This is, he feels that's absolutely essential, that he's going to have a press conference.

I think I'll do an office press conference before I do a big one.

That's... Earth's view has modified as I read it.

I agree.

I think he's right, but I think you ought to identify him.

You know what Tom thinks about the message?

He should pick two or three where you're against what's going on.

You know, he still thinks that he's sick.

Everybody's against him.

He's stabbing him.

He may be right.

But the way the governor went down last night...

His whole pitch, in his quotes, is this thing, giving you the strength, even in that one quote, to give you just a general picture on things that, I mean, just so you don't have to get into being able to, you know, be as strong as you feel you should, get borrowed down in all these little things.

The problem is there's something very, very inevitable in those things.

and the state .

But in the face of that sort of a chart, and on the past, they may have been able to offer all of the .

But each is different.

But they still want Reppel's house?

Yeah, until John gets back.

John brought it.

Yeah, John's sweet because he'll be back on Thursday.

Well, I shouldn't talk about it until then.

Yeah, but it won't be confirmed until tomorrow, so you can't do anything about it.

It'll have to be confirmed.

Yeah.

It'll probably be confirmed right after, but we'll have you two together, and I think we've got to have a joint ceremony.

And not make the public bust out, but make it important, let it be covered by DP, and you've got to have the Chief Justice do it, if he will.

Well, at least Angela Davis was around, so.

In fact, that's just the trick.

You just keep paying.

Make your departments.

And then Angela Davis saying, I believe you.

Well, we must have had a lot of success.

Apparently, well, what's that?

That wasn't February.

That was the state thing.

I thought, I mean, we must have had a lot of success.

They say that one of the jurors, nine of the jurors went to celebrate the celebration.

Jesus Christ, they could have at least got it.

It's out of the way.

It's out of the way, incidentally.

Hey, I'm covering right around his neck.

She's already with him.

Right.

Absolutely.

And that's going to make people very happy.

And go ahead with her analysis.

And part of the thing that we should do is use a lot of press coverage, too.

Yeah.

See what you do.

In your case,

that were apparent and just had an enormous impression.

That's the helicopter and the plane flight that you're on about.

And although they, as I said, the boycott of the Democrats kind of played, I don't think it helped them.

They didn't get much, and what it got was

count, maybe because they all feel that if you're best, that you come out best in that, that it's a better position for you than a speech, really, because there is a contest, and because it breaks the pattern, because a lot of speeches are color-coded.

And it's a way to get on television.

So that's about half of it.

I don't know.

I can see the voices being harangued for four or five questions.

I'm not sure.

I think this is a lot of work.

He didn't get into that specifically.

He had that earlier.

He likes to fix it back.

That's what it was.

No.

I don't think so either, no.

No, but I'm going to do an office with him next week.

I'm waiting.

Yeah, do an office with him next Wednesday.

I'm going to wait a couple weeks and do a TV one.

I've got to get it going in and just report it to him.

And that's going to put you on the record one final time before the Democrats go in there.

What are you doing?

I'm inclined to be against the public in some way or other.

I mean, you know, I realize it's a hell of a lot.

Surely, I wouldn't do it without you.

I think Rotter is better if you do want that.

and the J.C. is the fact that you've got the preparations to approach this problem.

I beg to speak to one small man.

Okay, that's fine.

I'm sure McGregor wouldn't have done it otherwise.

This is basically how he has done it.

He did one per person.

He didn't want me, you know.

And he said, I hate, I despise him.

I'm sure he wouldn't want me to die.

I have these feelings, I think there's, well, let's, let me say, the main thing I think about them is Texas, not Hillary.

I think it's a good, non-political appearance of Texas, I think, at some point.

Now, it being a Sunday evening, I don't think it is.

And it won't be a good thing.

It's like $50,000 in baseball.

You've got to do a hell of a job in Texas.

I don't know how many Texans there would be.

I'd love to be in Texas.

I'm big in the backwoods.

Go to Houston and get a hell of a cover in Texas.

Yeah.

I don't know how many more of us are doing this ranching game.

And he's all set.

There's no question about it.

He's locked.

He's locked a lot tighter now than he was in the state of San Diego.

He doesn't have to fight with Earl, and Schultz, and all that stuff.

They're involved.

But he could have a fight with him.

He's happier now.

uh...

Camp David is cutting people to the maximum.

I'm thinking about the after the centenarians.

I think that's right.

I think you get a hell of a lot of political clout by saying the president's got this captive group of JCs that he keeps running up to to have them cheering.

Please decline to accept the answer, I'm sure.

I'm turning down the National Association of County School

It's not a good point.

single or

And, uh,

And then we picked it up.

Yes, sir.

We got him.

That's worth trying, I think.

Which one do we use?

Most of those people were unseemly.

Don't make any bones about repeating the same thing.

If I talk to these people in terms of the Soviet Union, for the first time, the President of the United States spoke to a hundred million Russians on television.

A hundred million on television.

That day, I had to say more.

Maybe this time, I'll get the actual words.

You can say 33 o'clock.

I think you're doing well.

You're doing Rotary.

Not just J.C. J.C. is a political thing in its own way.

I'm not going to be angry.

I think it would be good to get a helper or something.

That would actually be good.

I agree with that a lot.

that's all right it's a waste of time in one sense but it sets up the other one better

What the hell are you doing?

if you're involved.

Our position has been that it's more important for us to have a career position.

Well, he's got a problem.

He's sure got a testify.

He's got all these people hooking him.

I left him here because I thought of him.

Do they really think they're gonna have a boat come out here tomorrow?

Yeah.

That probably shows their appetite.

Figure it's gonna be on Friday through this morning.

The other question is whether you want to meet with the Executive Committee of the National Governing Council or not.

I've got that.

I'll fly in on Thursday.

No, sir.

Good.

I'll be sharing the call with everyone.

They're supporting us.

We don't want to, though.

The first department that we ought to meet with is the county officials.

The county officials.

This is the National Governing Council's meeting.

And the executive committee is going to fly out and meet with Senator Long and Senator Proctor to say more.

The Vice President has suggested that you meet with him first to reassert your leadership in Long River Park Road.

We're in a problem.

We don't want them.

That's why we want to do it.

You know, Larry yesterday dropped the $3.5 to $5.5 million supplemental for Vietnam.

and the $5 billion happens to fall inside the broken insurance 5-0.

The other thing, I guess, you have to be the guy that's on this, you know, thing that he's asking people to be on this thing, and they need to be scared.

What the hell is that?

What would that all mean?

That's a question of patient business.

I'm really not familiar enough with that.

I think early we handle that.

I think early is that I want to say it, a step away from it, and put it that way to God.

Do you want to meet with the leader of the VO guerrilla forces and allow us to meet with your general back and forth?

No.

This will be a show of objective support for those fighting on the American side.

This will be your first meeting.

No.

The Saudi Defense Minister, are you going to meet with him?

No.

This comes from a friend who is very helpful.

Well, Keith, I don't want to hurt their problem.

If I'm going to do a press conference, I don't want to screw it back down.

I'll be here June 30th, 2015, and he's traveling in the U.S. from the 16th through the 23rd.

Robert really stuck with that in any major country.

If they come on so-called state visits, I understand that's a threat to us, but if they come on unofficial visits, you know, then it should be done.

And that's the rule.

And we've been through that.

What's your opinion about that TV anchorman thing?

Alright, let's restate over here.

Last week.

Yeah.

By that time, of course, you've got to realize .

But I suppose that would be up there.

I know.

It would be .

Yeah, that's .

That's not .

I'm sorry to do that.

You'll be for Henry to testify on the song.

I'll see that the alternative to that is to get someone else ready.

Someone got to.

Ray's got another question.

He's probably not a good idea.

He's got two minutes.

He's got a pretty hard series.

He's also got one.

He's offering a sign.

Okay.

You don't do a great job.

Well, if we wanted to make it so, we would make it ourselves.

He just won't let anybody say anything about this whole thing.

Henry's people have been working on it, thoroughly worked out through his office, but Henry has not himself.

We're up since right when we wanted it.

We delayed it a couple of times.

So, yeah.

About what time?

About 2.30.

All right.

2.30 is fine.

All right.

Oh, look, there's only one thing that we'll have to get through to take a quick look at.

Frank, Frank, along with you and you and I, if you've got any questions, schedule a reserve.

We'll come out of the heat from Sunday, which is not a bad time.

And if there's good business, right on.

Sure.

All right, 2.30, just fine.

Fine, bye.

I think that's what I meant during his followers.

I've had a report today, it looks like it is.

What's that man?

Harris.

What I want done here actually bothers this individual.

Whoever goes with me takes a second hearing.

For them, it's not for me.

That would be great.

And if I were them, I'd say, well, take a second hearing and take a second hearing.

I'm a lawyer.

I don't need any money.

I know what's in my head.

But I don't know, somebody might have died, or I might have done something, you know.

Your point of having someone is essential.

Well, I should balance this in case somebody's in the way.

No, we haven't before, but that's what we intend.

I don't think he came up, I think it was just he was concerned that a fight was raising the point of whether, I think it was something, I didn't see it, but he, he has in the past, which is, you know, he's been doing the secretary for maybe, I don't know, two or five, he's down by eight on the ad, but, you know, I don't think he's done any of that stuff.

Well, he's already done it.

Yeah, he's already done it.

Yeah.

I think that's her problem, yeah.

Did you ever check on that, uh, fellow at, uh, Hagerstown?

Sure.

Yeah, we were right here.

Are we?

Just, just go.

I think what we need to really work on is, let me, really work on this, uh,

Yes, sir.

Well, no question the photographer said that.

He's saying that was a big day.

I mean, well, I didn't think that was a big day.

I wasn't in such a place for a day.

But we were in a number of just marvelous shots.

That's right.

to be expendable there.

Yeah, really, I wouldn't say that.

I hope you have a great day.

Okay, I'll plan to leave here at 2.30 today.

You don't know, the weather is going to be easier than I thought it would be today.

I've checked up there today, just to watch this today, but it was supposed to be cloudy for a while, and it's very hard.