Conversation 341-007

TapeTape 341StartSaturday, June 10, 1972 at 9:35 AMEndSaturday, June 10, 1972 at 10:52 AMTape start time00:13:20Tape end time01:16:52ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Colson, Charles W.;  [Unknown person(s)];  Butterfield, Alexander P.Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building

On June 10, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, unknown person(s), and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 9:35 am and 10:52 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 341-007 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 341-7

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Date: June 10, 1972
Time: 9:35 am – unknown before 10:52 am
Location: Old Executive Office Building

The President met with Charles W. Colson.

     President's schedule
            -Camp David

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     The President’s schedule

     The President's memorandum to Patrick J. Buchanan
          -The President’s opinion on writing ability
          -Suggestion for column

     1972 campaign
          -Patrick J. Buchanan
                -The President’s opinion
                -Charles W. Colson’s opinion
                -Possible column
                      -Media treatment of George S. McGovern
                      -Purpose

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-George S. McGovern
     -Media coverage
           -Washington Post
           -Raymond W. Apple's story in New York Times
           -Kenneth W. Clawson
           -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS] news
                 -Edmund S. Muskie
                       -Opposition to George S. McGovern positions
     -Comments in New York, June 9, 1972
           -California
           -Jews
     -Views on California primary
                 -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
     -The President's conversations with Charles W. Colson, H. R. (“Bob”)
     Haldeman, John N. Mitchell
           -The President’s concern over staff misjudgment
     -Debate with Hubert H. Humphrey
           -Views of Raymond K. Price, William L. Safire
           -Kenneth W. Clawson
           -Too aggressive
-Hubert H. Humphrey
     -Richard M. Scammon
           -Conversation with Charles W. Colson
           -Council advice
           -Debate with George S. McGovern
-Richard M. Scammon
     -Charles W. Colson
     -Conversation with George P. Shultz, June 9, 1972
           -National economy
                 -Consumer Price Index [CPI] figures
                 -Relate numbers to consumer goods
-George S. McGovern
     -Liberal establishment's views and actions
           -Networks, Washington Post, New York Times
                 -Amnesty, marijuana, disarmament, welfare, surrender
           -The President’s opinion
           -[Thomas] Woodrow Wilson
           -Franklin D. Roosevelt
           -Adlai E. Stevenson, II
-Gallup polls
     -Charles W. Colson analysis
     -The President's constituency
-George S. McGovern
     -Constituency
     -Field poll

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     -California polls
           -Timing
     -Yankelovich poll
-Edmund S. Muskie
     -Media coverage
-George S. McGovern and the Democratic Party
     -George C. Wallace
     -Edmund S. Muskie, Hubert H. Humphrey
           -Political views
     -Hubert H. Humphrey
           -Labor Leaders
     -Richard J. Daley
     -Florida Board of Governors
-George S. McGovern
     -Presence
     -Background
     -Popular votes
           -Compared to Hubert H. Humphrey
     -John Appel
     -Possible media action
           -Comparison with Edmund S. Muskie
                 -Public impression of Edmund S. Muskie
     -James B. (“Scotty”) Reston's columns
           -Election potential
                 -Lyndon B. Johnson, the President
           -Views regarding George S. McGovern
           -Dissemination
           -Spiro T. Agnew, Robert J. Dole
     -John N. Mitchell's quotation from Hubert H. Humphrey
     -James B. (“Scotty”) Reston’s columns
     -John N. Mitchell's forthcoming Face the Nation appearance June 11, 1972
           -Conversation with Charles W. Colson, June 9, 1972
     -Position on issues
           -Defense, Vietnam, amnesty
           -Busing, abortion, marijuana
     -Voting record
           -The President’s analysis
           -Mark O. Hatfield amendment
           -Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield
           -Possible republican actions
           -Democrats' National Convention
           -Charles W. Colson’s analysis
-Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy
     -Charles W. Colson's conversation with Bob Peabody of the-Boston Globe
           -Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy's children

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                     -Robert F. (“Bobby”) Kennedy's children
                     -Chappaquiddick issue
               -Goals and ambitions
          -George S. McGovern
               -Leading supporters
                     -Frank F. Mankiewicz
                     -Gary W. Hart
                     -Eugene J. McCarthy
               -Charles W. Colson's experiences
                     -Conversation with Frederic V. Malek

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An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 9:35 am.

     US News and World Report article

Unknown man left at an unknown time before 10:52 am.

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     1972 campaign
          -George S. McGovern
               -Organization
               -Possible attacks by Hubert H. Humphrey
               -Edmund S. Muskie's attacks
               -American Broadcasting Company [ABC] coverage of Edmund S. Muskie
                     -Frank Reynolds's comments
          -Media coverage
          -Edmund S. Muskie
               -Preparation for statement regarding George S. McGovern
                     -Clark M. Clifford
                          -The President’s opinion
               -Statement
          -George S. McGovern
               -Democrats' opposition
                     -George C. Wallace, Hubert H. Humphrey, Edmund S. Muskie,

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                       Richard J. Daley, Warren E. Hearnes
            -Hubert H. Humphrey
                 -Relationship with Warren E. Hearnes
            -Richard H. Ichord
            -Wendell H. Ford
            -George S. McGovern
                 -Views of southern moderates
                       -Reubin O. Askew
                       -James E. (“Jimmy”) Carter
                 -Marvin Mandel's statement, June 9, 1972
                       -The New York Times
                 -Debate with Hubert H. Humphrey
                       -Israeli security
                             -Sixth Fleet
                             -Moshe Dayan
                             -Effect with Jews
                                   -Richard M. Scammon’s comments

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     Jews
            -Support for the President
                 -Liberals
                       -Hollywood
                       -Xerox Corporation
            -Middle class
                 -Forest Hills, New York
                       -Housing Project
                       -The President’s decision to mine North Vietnamese ports
                       -Orthodox support
                             -Compared with Catholics
                             -Charles W. Colson’s view
                             -Richard M. Scammon

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     1972 campaign

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         -Richard M. Scammon
              -Possible actions
              -Acting as an a advisor
              -Conversation with Charles W. Colson and George P. Shultz
              -Foreign policy views
         -Edmund S. Muskie [?]
              -Statement on radio free Europe
              -Possible dissemination
              -Possible vice presidency with George S. McGovern
              -Statement concerning George S. McGovern June 9, 1972
         -George S. McGovern
              -Possible vice presidential candidates
                    -John V. Lindsay
                    -Selection
                    -Wilbur D. Mills
                    -The President’s analysis
              -Career
              -Father

    Democratic Party
        -George S. McGovern
              -Funds
        -Liberals
              -Albert E. Sindlinger’s views
        -George S. McGovern
              -California Primary
              -Media treatment
                    -1960 campaign
                    -John F. Kennedy and Hubert H. Humphrey
                         -Wisconsin Primary
              -Edmund S. Muskie
              -Primaries
                    -Gallup poll

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    Foreign policy
         -President’s accomplishments
         -The President’s trip to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]

           Presidential statements
               -Peace efforts
               -Media Coverage
               -Future statements

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                      -Settings
                 -Statement on situation in Southeast Asia on May 8th, 1972
                 -The President’s trip to the People’s Republic of China [PRC]
                 -The President’s trip to the Soviet Union

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     1972 campaign
          -Public perception of the President
               -Dwight D. Eisenhower
               -Richard M. Scammon's views
                     -1959 campaign speech by [Maurice] Harold MacMillan
               -Possible problems
               -Charles W. Colson’s suggestions

     Impression on the Luis Echeverria Alvarez
          -Helicopter landing in Mexico City

     1972 campaign
          -George Meany
          -Possible conduct and activities
                -Houston
          -Democrats
                -Edmund S. Muskie
                -Public perceptions
          -Public perceptions of the President
          -John G. Schmitz
                -Statement, June 9, 1972
          -Paul N. (“Pete”) McCloskey, Jr.
                -Polling numbers
                -Busing
          -Volunteers for the President

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          -Democrats
                 -George S. McGovern
                 -Edmund S. Muskie
                 -Delegate totals
          -[Unintelligible name]
                 -Patrick J. Buchanan
          -Jews
                 -Advertisements
          Israel
                 -Edmund S. Muskie's views

     George S. McGovern
          -Blacks
          -Welfare proposals
          -Possible opposition by Hubert H. Humphrey and Edmund S. Muskie
          Combination
                -Delegate credentials fights
                      -Richard J. Daley
          -California
          -John N. Mitchell's conversation with the President
                -Democrats' possible defections
                      -Labor

     Instructions
           -Filing memorandums
                 -The President's memo to Patrick J. Buchanan
           -US Military
                 -Media actions

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Colson left at an unknown time before 10:52 am.

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Well, I thought you'd be a champion, but it's too against me.
Takk skal du ha.
It's a breed.
It's true.
It's true.
The Hollywood of high income, too, is a super liberal.
The pornographic salesman is a super liberal.
The Xerox is a super liberal.
Jesus Christ.
That's the part of the branch, but you're ranked above.
The Orthodox Jew is a traditionalist person.
That's what you're really talking about in this country.
You're a traditionalist person from Israel.
The old school really falls more into the category of the hardline Catholic.
That's the way the country is breaking down.
There's a common denominator here.
People who just believe in preserving the traditions of establishment.
One person.
Scam of large.
No scam of scum.
Scum of large.
It looks Irish, acts Irish, but it's not.
It's not like that.
It's the old way.
Writing out of his mind, I did not have anything to say.
Oh, you didn't?
Well, I don't agree with that.
No, I didn't have anything to say.
Well, if we'd gotten another clip, we'd have to write it right down.
Well, if you always have something to say, if you talk about moving the world one step closer to peace, one step further away from the danger of simply war, the media will carry that.
And not worry about my men, and not worry about the fuckways, the bulls, and the bad cops, and let it go.
They say I'm not going in, and that's just all right, too.
You've got to realize I've been around an awful long time.
I mean, I've had enormous exposure.
That's why I say, as far as exposure is concerned, this would be the 67th year.
I mean, sure, it doesn't last a month, but it leaves, it always leaves a few
Stay with you.
It does, doesn't it?
Try to love some.
Just love some.
May it love some.
May it love you a lot.
May it love you a great deal.
I still will love it most.
First of all that because it is very substantive and very hopeful.
The sense of good.