Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 341 › Conversation 341-035

Nixon & Krol on Diplomacy and Catholic Church

Sunday, June 11, 1972 · 3:16 PM–3:22 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 4 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Krol, John CardinalConversation341-035 on Tape 341 (tape position 05:44:29–05:47:59)StartSunday, June 11, 1972 at 3:16 PMEndSunday, June 11, 1972 at 3:22 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 341-035 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon met with Cardinal John Krol to discuss impressions from the President's recent diplomatic trip. Nixon recounted an anecdote involving a conversation with a foreign official, identified as Gary, who expressed high regard for Krol's leadership within the American Catholic Church. The interaction served primarily to build rapport and affirm the international standing of the Cardinal.

Diplomacy
Catholic Church
John Cardinal Krol
International Relations
Presidential rapport

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NARA Description

On June 11, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and John Cardinal Krol met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:16 pm to 3:22 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 341-035 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 341-35

Date: June 11, 1972
Time: 3:16-3:22 pm
Location: Old Executive Office Building

The President talked with John Cardinal Krol.

[See also Conversation No. 025-043]

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I didn't have anything important to call you on, but I was sitting here doing some of my notes on my trip.

I ran across a little point that I don't think I mentioned in our talk the other day.

When I was talking to Gary, you know, and he was going on a big month about their attitude to the church, and I said, well, you know, one of our outstanding leaders of the Catholic Church in America is a fellow from Philadelphia,

He said, he laughed, and he said, you know, Crowell and Foley should be king.

He said, you know, look, we might not welcome a king, but I think we welcome a cardinal.

Ha ha ha.

So I thought you could give me this for that.

Is Crowell king?

I see.

Well, I didn't know you were king, so you've got something to tell all of your dioceses now that the president says you're king now, and he came over to Foley.

Ha ha ha.

I see isn't a indicator.

I see.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I just ran across it in my notes here, and I got...

I had a...

We're having an idea.

I've been on the line a little this week.

I've been working at the campaign with them.

I can't catch up on the message, but you know that I'm going forward.

Well, not much, actually.

I was very interested in talking to my Soviet friends.

They called my freshman.

He said every year he takes off for months and months.

But I don't think that luxury is the modern day presence.

Actually, it's all I can do, and I tend, I don't know, there may be a time, I'm sure, when I'm lost, where I can really take off to.

I think I can do it probably in a month, but I don't know where I can do it myself.

I know, you know, you guessed it.

About all I can do about that, I do have an idea for your reading quite a bit.

And even that, you know, over here, I was a little tired after two or three hours of reading.

I was reading last night, so I thought I was a little tired.

Thank you for talking to me.

Also recorded on June 11, 1972

025-043 3:16 PM · 6 min — President Richard M. Nixon and John Cardinal Krol talked on the telephone from 3:16 pm to 3:22 pm.
025-044 3:22 PM · 31 sec — Unknown person(s) talked on the telephone on an unknown date, sometime between 3:22 pm on June 11, 1972 and 9:09 am on June 12, 1972.
341-036 3:22 PM · 10 min — President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:22 pm and 5:08 pm.
341-037 3:22 PM — President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:22 pm and 5:08 pm.
341-038 3:22 PM — President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:22 pm and 5:08 pm.
341-039 3:22 PM · 40 sec — President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:22 pm and 5:08 pm.
341-040 3:22 PM — President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:22 pm and 5:08 pm.
341-041 3:22 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:22 pm and 5:08 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 341-035, June 11, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/341-035 (accessed November 14, 2026).