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Nixon & Krol on Diplomacy and Catholic Church

Sunday, June 11, 1972 · 3:16 PM–3:22 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Krol, John CardinalConversation341-035 on Tape 341 (tape position 05:44:29–05:47:59)StartSunday, June 11, 1972 at 3:16 PMEndSunday, June 11, 1972 at 3:22 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 341-035 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon met with Cardinal John Krol to discuss impressions from the President's recent diplomatic trip. Nixon recounted an anecdote involving a conversation with a foreign official, identified as Gary, who expressed high regard for Krol's leadership within the American Catholic Church. The interaction served primarily to build rapport and affirm the international standing of the Cardinal.

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Transcript (AI-generated)

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5:45:58Hello?
5:45:58He can call me back.
5:46:01Don't worry.
5:47:21I didn't have anything important to call you on, but I was sitting here doing some of my notes on my trip.
5:47:25I ran across a little point that I don't think I mentioned in our talk the other day.
5:47:30When I was talking to Gary, you know, and he was going on a big month about their attitude to the church, and I said, well, you know, one of our outstanding leaders of the Catholic Church in America is a fellow from Philadelphia,
5:47:49He said, he laughed, and he said, you know, Crowell and Foley should be king.
5:47:55He said, you know, look, we might not welcome a king, but I think we welcome a cardinal.

NARA Description

On June 11, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and John Cardinal Krol met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:16 pm to 3:22 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 341-035 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 341-35

Date: June 11, 1972
Time: 3:16-3:22 pm
Location: Old Executive Office Building

The President talked with John Cardinal Krol.

[See also Conversation No. 025-043]

Also recorded on June 11, 1972

  • 025-043 3:16 PM · 6 min — President Richard M. Nixon and John Cardinal Krol talked on the telephone from 3:16 pm to 3:22 pm.
  • 025-044 3:22 PM · 30 sec — Unknown person(s) talked on the telephone on an unknown date, sometime between 3:22 pm on June 11, 1972 and 9:09 am on June 12, 1972.
  • 341-036 3:22 PM · 10 min — President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:22 pm and 5:08 pm.
  • 341-037 3:22 PM — President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:22 pm and 5:08 pm.
  • 341-038 3:22 PM — President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:22 pm and 5:08 pm.
  • 341-039 3:22 PM · 40 sec — President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:22 pm and 5:08 pm.
  • 341-040 3:22 PM — President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:22 pm and 5:08 pm.
  • 341-041 3:22 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:22 pm and 5:08 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 341-035, June 11, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/341-035 (accessed September 30, 2026).