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I had two very interesting ideas.

Nice to see you.

I was away from the battle here.

I didn't know how long it would take.

This is Ben.

Good job.

This is Ben.

Good job.

This is Ben.

I said people who, a real, anybody who cares will read it.

And it's all there.

It's all stupid and weird.

And that's a link that somebody, an individual is going to be willing to tackle.

I, uh...

We do a lot of good things.

I know that that is kind of your favorite thing.

I think it's one of the most important things in the world.

Anything that we do, what do you think?

I think that's probably what we need to see.

If you really work at it, and if you get something out of it.

Oh, I just wanted to know this.

On this one, I can spend a little time trying to do it.

That'd be great.

I'll show you what I can do.

I believe we can have a good day.

Air is a lot.

Of course, they're at the point.

They finish those electrical things, then everything's done.

The paint is done.

The carpeting, they're already painted.

They've already painted.

The carpeting's only here for a few days, and then we'll take a day to move the furniture in.

Because that's all...

I am skating around there.

Skating takes a little while.

But they're coming along, and they come all the way past on that.

Roads were paved yesterday.

Really?

Yeah.

They paved those roads, and the roads going in and everything is all asphalt.

Remember, we walked down, and they were starting to lay the crest rock.

I tried.

I walked down there yesterday, and...

I started at 5 o'clock and they were still working, so they must be working at 6.

I didn't want to keep on working a little longer.

It should have been done.

Plus those new cabins.

It should have been done.

Like Birch and Gauntlet.

And the three others.

The other place is very nice.

It's just fine, but it doesn't match us at least.

It's just shorter facilities.

It's just, I know, it's a small room.

Also, there's another thing about it.

I found it kind of like it's on film.

It's too nice.

You can hear the kitchen.

You can hear the other rooms.

You can hear the coffee.

And you just can't have a meeting.

I'm sorry, I'm with this one.

I have a new office there.

That office there, I can see, is very likely to have meetings.

And so, first of all, well, I mean, no, for me, like when I, you see, I find that, well, I know how they have two different places now, two different places, relatively full.

I mean, I can always use, you know, a family there, for example, where I can go down to work.

It's a hell of a place to go and have a meeting.

If I haven't been asked, people are getting out and all that sort of thing.

Now, apparently, you've got to pay for the education in the area, but is there any?

Anybody who hasn't read it, it's a real complication of how it is carried out in other communities.

I may have been a little bit sort of let down, high hopes.

This conference is a plot.

What do you call it?

It's still where they have gotten.

It's off the ground.

They're just kind of stabbing each other.

No, I just wanted to visit you.

Okay, thank you.

No problem.

Yeah.

Assault book and assault strategy now.

Okay.

Wow.

That was me.

No.

Uh-huh.

No.

Thank you.

We're swarming in ceremony.

It will be at 11.15.

This is Chief Justice.

For that is to be pretty good crowd of people.

The idea would be for you, and this is next, Chief Justice to come in and have the swarming one at a time.

We'll do the three to ten ceremony.

You leave.

Then the idea would be that you leave and let them, the three of them set up a little receiving line to receive the guests and all the congressional people that are there will probably leave when you leave because they open at midnight.

I think you had thought about it.

I couldn't stay around for no more than that.

You think it might sort of encourage our own troops.

I don't think any people that are there, they aren't.

You had said...

I don't know whether you want to follow up on her or not, but if you want to just see Fred Tolson in this game, you can put a few minutes in your office at some time.

So if you want to do that, it's a good program.

And that, if you want to do that, you can put a few minutes on the app.

Also, Henry's asking me to see him faster than you can see him.

You almost have to do that.

Five and a half is two months and up.

Yeah.

All right.

Turning to the side.

Running in very briefly, this is Don Rogers.

He's over at the Celtic Icon.

Get a picture.

All right.

No, just our picture.

I can do some of that in the morning.

I don't know.

Good morning.

Oh, the afternoon is very good.

About 2.30 on.

Stennis.

It was almost a subject, but I have Henry there, and I see Stennis.

Well, that's what I wondered if you did.

Hey, wait for it, Henry.

I think it's a subject.

Okay.

I'm not sure we can get ready for a press thing this weekend.

See, it's so essential for him to get back and get prepared for his own thing.

And also, he has to look over the stuff that I do in the port policy area, which is terribly complicated.

He doesn't think he should do a press thing in the port.

Of course he doesn't.

Well, it's right in the middle of that anyway.

He'd wait on it.

And maybe we just go forward and do that thing on television.

Well, there are possibilities on the phone.

Yeah.

Well loaded up anyway.

Thanks.

All right.

So, sign and show us.

or I can cut this down twice, and you take a ten minute appointment with Kermit Gordon, and Brookings, to ask him to stay on the pay board, he's the only Democrat on the pay board, and Brookings is pressuring him to come back, and I think he's getting some Democratic pressure from him here.

I can't ask you now how to turn it off.

Sure, I'll see you.

Apparently Gordon has been being helpful.

Yeah.

He's supposed to be a decent fellow.

Of course.

He has come up with a proposal that also compares with...

Exclusive interview with a group of Bob Elegant, Joseph Kingsbury Sten, and Peter Kahn.

The idea of setting up an article and an exclusive interview with the president, I've dealt on the basis that you should not set any exclusive interviews.

I've got to report that because Stuart also...

I'm not going to get any of this from anybody because they don't go to the editorial board.

We've got other columnists.

We've got Dick Wilson.

We've got a lot of other friends.

We've also got the San Francisco Examiner wants to do a Q&A.

You know, submit questions like that.

I've turned that down.

Even though they're our friends, I don't care.

I've got nothing to do with them.

Other people.

I don't think that's going to make all that much difference.

That's writing press again.

That's right.

So they'll write a column, right?

That's right.

So what the hell does that mean?

It's a good syndicated column article.

It's writing good articles every day.

I've written this article for the U.S. News.

I've carried that.

I don't believe the individual.

I think it's a good decline.

Colson, Boston right away, and Sittler.

I just think we have a policy.

I don't think I should.

We can reach audiences.

Much better devices than the three fresh guys in the office.

You want to consider greeting a thousand members of the American Association of Retired Persons who will be at the White House on Wednesday.

Apparently they're a national convention.

And we've set up a White House tour.

A special tour for all of the members on the street.

I saw that Frank Pace was the chairman of, you know, and it's the patrons of all the secretaries of defense in the past.

Five of us.

Bill Vaughn and others.

Both presenting the cartoon.

Brad, you know that name?

You can do that general quote that...

The President would grab his aid, and just contacted us, and just passed it, and the President would want it.

And it's a dinner to be given in a tent, not in a small, small closet.

I don't know what in the world you can even think of.

Gosh, they're all national defense fighters and so forth.

You'll get a hell of a hand in all that, and so it's an evening thing, and nobody will know you've got a hell of a hand.

They're all people who have to be pure people anyway.

But I didn't know whether to be desecrated or something like that.

I'm not quite sure.

I'd like to be glad to do the Medal of Freedom for him in the office.

I've got every honor to rate anything else.

It's five stars, five stars.

I don't think so much.

That's in the category of border reaction.

I don't see it, but I don't see what it does.

Would you do a, or do you have a problem with your field?

I don't.

It's identified as a national offense, I suppose.

It doesn't make you identify as a national offense.

Sir, he's a great guy.

He's 80 years old.

I'm 80 years old.

I would say not.

Just kidding.

Do you want to do a brief statement on the camera on this whole thing on Tuesday?

I see a bird.

I remember we got screwed with that before camera thing once.

Hold on.

You do it one or two ways.

You need to go to the press room and just announce it, you know.

Let's see if we can work out something that's worth doing there in a minute and a half.

Yeah, a minute and a half, right.

Mm-hmm.

I have a GOP leadership in Tuesday morning.

We ought to do this.

Take two down long.

Throw up these studies.

You know.

Yeah, I'm not thinking.

I'm starting to do it.

I'm doing it.

Most of them are good, but some of them are bad.

Again, I don't think so.

I did it before.

I had it around over here.

Do you feel about what you should not do?

I think you should not do it.

We've got one I think you should do, though.

It's all about the employees.

Remember last year they brought the kids over and gave you 300,000 signatures?

Yes.

And the petitions for the Philadelphia school children, the police came over with them.

And they had gotten 300,000 signatures on petitions supporting law in Honduras.

And you said to them, man, you go back and enroll 400,000 next year.

And they did.

And so they got 400,000 now.

And Rizzo wants to come over with them.

Good.

I'm glad to have all these little kids.

It's great.

I turned down.

Although maybe you want to consider it, I can imagine.

Alright.

The League of United Latin American Citizens, which are meeting in Texas on June 29th.

We can stop there on the way out to California.

If you wanted to make an appearance there.

That's the Blue Lab, you know, that's the oldest Mexican-American organization.

And no person has ever attended their meetings.

They've been cooperating.

and our Mexican people in Sanchez, New Jersey, New Jersey, and all over.

It could be a big thing.

They've expanded their scope to housing and employment.

Younger members are pushing for a more activist role in the common leadership that's prevailing in our land.

I think she told me she was going to do something for Latin America, speak to them in Spanish.

This may be the one.

That's the one she should do.

She can't do it.

She

They've talked to Trisha about it, so that's part of it.

That's it.

That's great.

I don't know why, sometimes it seems to me, Trisha and I just don't know what to do about it.

They can't be a problem.

Conley said he may have raised the view by the service chiefs,

But one at a time, he raised the point that you should be alone with each of the service chiefs.

A private one-to-one meeting without anybody else there, including without history, without a letter, or without one.

And just talk with them on the basis of what their views are.

I don't know what it's like.

I don't know.

The problem is I don't think I do it without getting into the program, but the timing is bad right now.

I just don't know how we can get it layered all the speed up.

We can't go right up the goddamn wall.

I think you ought to do it after the election.

I agree.

But after the election, in that period before the inauguration somewhere, I agree.

This is not the time that I would do it.

I agree.

I was trying to get something drafted on in the paper.

Well, for Mitchell, or for you.

Now, Mitchell has hit him.

He said he can't conceive any reason why the president should debate strongly about it, and he cited all the proper reasons in the proper way.

It would be unwise and all that.

Price, trying to put something together, doesn't come up with anything that answers.

He makes a point that's unwise, unnecessary, and silly.

Unwise because, for the obvious reasons, it's unnecessary because the president's positions are clearly known.

They're on the record totally, and it's great money, so there's not a need for it.

They put it rid of for the candidate.

And I...

That's silly because it's campaign theatrics.

They have a device, a way of staging a proper debate anyway.

All it would do is give a non-informed report.

The problem we've got to deal with is your article on Saturday Evening Post.

It's pretty devastating here.

and all these debates were not designed to serve a candidate for office.

They were designed to serve the public.

I'm changing my mind.

They are essential if we are to have less costly, more thoughtful campaigns.

President Kennedy was right.

President Johnson was wrong.

The strongest argument is to make candidates for voluntary campaigns.

That's right, I know that.

That's why I think that we just have to, I think we just have to say, overwrite it.

Well, that has to be in the present state.

Particularly in the present time.

Well, that was eight years ago.

And they have a different format for the base, too.

Ray's view is that we should answer the thing publicly.

The Mitchell position is the right thing to do.

Mitchell's saying, I'm against it and all that.

If we answer the White House, they're already, you know, you just give them something to ride on.

Why won't you debate?

What do you think I should say?

Just say you're not going to discuss Canada anymore.

If you can't, it feels the same way.

Just doctor it.

Exactly.

Say I've said consistently, and I'm not going to get into any discussion of politics.

You know, that decision, that answer, you know, that's not true.

You're very, very good man.

Yes, sure, you can't just have a lot of problems in the way.

You can just ride that right on through to September.

September is the time that you want to stay.

It's a happy time for you, too.

Thank you very much.

...anybody else was saying, well, I was certain nobody was doing it, without any certain advice.

... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

Thank you.

He's already loaded out what you've been doing today.

He's going to say it tomorrow.

He's already loaded it out.

Try to work on it today and finish it up tomorrow.

Tomorrow.

I don't think we've got any problems with this plan.

I don't think that's uncommon at all.

I mean, that's a common man.

But I think it's a common being.

I think a lot of people have that kind of thing.

You see it in the man.

The reaction people have to that person.

I don't know.

So I...

Fisically, maybe.

I think there's a lot of strain.

You're also buoyed up by the camping.

That's a little different.

Yeah, you're right.

You've got a little charge on you.

This is just very hard work.

A lot of pressure.

You don't know how much it's wrecking.

Particularly the big rock.

Yeah.

I think those things are the hardest things to make decisions about.

They're always hard, and they're very, very difficult.

He doesn't have your ability to make a decision.

And once he goes back to the

Thank you.

That makes it a little harder for me.

You can't help but know what you're worried about.

I said, once it's done, you can't keep saving it.

He did that on the end of it.

He kept saving it.

Maybe it was for that.

I remember on the side of it, the person was 80% sure that it was a concept.

It came down to 60% sure.

It was about 20% sure.

I remember back in March of 69, there was a 60% chance that the Canadian people would settle.

And it was a 50% chance that the Russians would attack China.

I remember he was...

Chum Chum.

I remember it.

I feel I have to work.

I feel it's my responsibility.

I feel I owe it to you to work.

They may demonstrate in the streets that there will be riots.

The cities will burn home.

Well, on May 8th, you recall, what was it, before the speech,

We had mobilized the National Guard, but probably they didn't have our eyes on them.

It's absolutely idiotic to propose consulting anybody who's doing hard work.

Unless you want to know what they think.

That's right.

Unless you're prepared.

Unless you think she should do it.

Unless you're prepared to take the advice.

In other words, otherwise, it's all wrong.

In fact, you should do it at the last minute.

I asked you to look at the camera and see the one over there.

How was that an magnificent perception?

I saw through it and said, well, of course it is.

You know, I just said, well, first let's understand what the president is saying.

He cannot lose this war.

That's the basic fact.

He talked about bombing, and of course that wasn't the right thing to do.

The second question was, of course, he didn't think that was the right thing to do.

And here's where I was from.

I was working back in the high school, and they had a cancellation.

And I kind of let Henry hear it was wrong.

I said, Henry, you can't be in a position where they can't cancel.

And I said, if they're trying to cancel, we're going to.

That was a very distorted call.

Because, why should we cancel?

And some of it was something the world wanted.

It was better than the American people wanted.

So it was better to make the other guy be the counselor rather than not be the counselor.

You know what?

We could have canceled the summit.

I think we would have been dead.

We would have canceled the summit and bombed.

We may not have been dead, but we should be in a mess.

We'd be hanging on by our fingernails again.

We wouldn't be writing where we are now, or anywhere here, to write.

It's traditional.

The summit was the event.

China was the color, you know, so the personal thing.

The summit was the hard substance, I think, that set the view of this, and that we want set to where we kind of want to run on.

I don't think it could have been done any other way.

Remember when Colin came in a few months ago, talking about how do we get across the leader?

They didn't do as much.

And even if they'd used it, you can convince little groups of people.

Conley did a hell of a job.

Like when he'd go up to New York and talk to 50 Jaegers movies.

Carlisle.

But that doesn't reach the millions, and we've got to reach the millions, and it doesn't trickle down.

It's that kind of impression.

Because they don't, sure, they get inspired, and they say to you, John Connors says he's that great, he must be great, but they don't go back and talk to the 300 employees in their plant and say Richard Nixon's a great president.

And the only way you get to the 300 workers in their plans is the way you did, which is on television, and with all of the media for once talking about what a great job you had done, great personal accomplishment, great courage, great strength, leadership, vision.

All the adjectives that we had been racking up, they all came through in that way.

They're trying to set the groundwork for it.

I think China will find out what we've made about China.

That's probably the indication that we're very advanced on this issue.

Looking back at the operation of the President of the United States of America, that was valuable information.

I mean, for us, we're talking about the old-based Western.

We've got to realize that the old-based Western has to be bad.

That's right.

I mean, if you take the Eisenhower, what older-based Western do you think it is?

I mean, he's been on the edge in a dramatic way since 1942.

FDR.

Look at FDR's face.

You know, an old-based question for people like him.

There he is.

Everybody thought he was a guest.

He said, you're kind of an actor.

You're probably right.

Thank you for watching!

That's what people remember.

I tell you, they still talk about it.

It was so spectacular, that helicopter landing right there at the present moment.

I mean, that just added another touch to it.

It took it out of the ordinary.

And that's what impressed me.

It's just the simple fact that you arrived on time.

And the competitors talked about that.

The incredible fact that here he was, having lunch in Poland, and then addressing the Congress of the United States, kind of walking in that door, getting precisely the second he was supposed to.

Or landing the helicopter, or landing Air Force One.

That kind of thing, interestingly, had the belay about 500.

Yeah, around 500 or so.

That was good.

Well, we ran them fast so that we'd be able to hit it on time.

We didn't want to give the networks very much time to speculate on the air, but we also wanted to get the helicopter landing on the air.

One network didn't go on for right at 9.30.

The other one went on at 9.25.

The other one went on at 9 o'clock.

We landed at 9.30.

And it was 9.30 in the morning.

I forgot there was time so that it hit it.

So that it hit right.

And it was dramatic.

And it was... You can only do that if the occasion warrants it.

That was the question you were worried about, was whether you kept saying, you know, is this really a big enough thing?

And the guys here, they all said yes.

And God will text McCrary, what do you think of that, Tom?

He just was excited.

He said, if you do everything like that, you wouldn't have to have an alarm.

He said the whole trip.

He thought the whole trip was just superbly carried out.

Every possible picture story was right.

The substantive story was right.

There was enough of everything and not too much of anything.

The one slight regret I have is that

There was no way we could work it out so that the networks could carry the amount of time and speech that we were having.

For that audience, it was a hell of a lot better speech than this.

For this one, it wasn't all right.

For that audience, it was a very good speech.

And I think that they're in great agreement with Kramer.

They had a lot of them.

I guess it was somewhat for Hawaii to use.

Well, it was, and it was on the specials, too.

CBS, which had the prime time special, used 10.7, so you got a pretty good 10.7.

They used a good part, too.

The Chinese story, which is pretty old, but it went on quite a bit.

It was a good story.

Do you ever know about our fight with them?

With the little son of a bitch?

It wasn't a lot of film.

So that is not film.

That whole thing that's done there is not one inch of film.

We don't have it.

We have it on tape.

But we don't have it on film.

We can transfer.

There was no way we could work it out so that the networks could carry the amount of time the speakers were having.

For that audience, it was a hell of a lot better speech than this.

It wasn't all right.

But that, for that audience, was very good speech.

And I could...

There, in great degree, over the Kramer...

They had a lot of management.

I guess it was somewhat required to use groups.

It was, and it was on the specials, too.

CBS, which had the prime time special, used 10.7, so you got a pretty good 10.7.

They used a good part for you, too.

The Chinese story, which was pretty old, but it went on quite a bit.

Thank you.

Do you ever know about our fight with them?

With the little son of a bitch?

It wasn't a lot of film.

So that is not film.

That whole thing that was done there is not one inch of film.

Then we don't have it.

Well, yeah, but you have it on tape.

But we don't have enough, and we can transfer it to film, to tape, and it makes a second great, second quality film.

It's the best quality film.

And we can get a long time for television presentation, we can always use tape.

But the point is, we have that set up.

See, we're doing a lot of stuff, like this documentary business, for instance.

So what are we doing?

One thing we've done is provided three and a half hours and a one hour diverse, who have their movie tone news,

that now is in service to classrooms.

And that, they're using that as an educational film that's being bicycled all over classrooms, all over the country, high school classrooms.

So, they're getting our documentary footage for the show.

Yeah, we selected it.

We decided what we'd sell.

You thought you were going to do it?

Yes.

That's what that guy that has the long hair, he said that.

I mean, I don't know who does the commentary.

This one hurts us because they put it together, but they do it on a very, it's very little commentary, only to set the scene.

They do it kind of like the old movie film they would use to do it.

It connects the first person in the United States to everywhere.

I haven't made any effort to check on it, but they're...

If we can get the facts on it, they'd run it through, literally, because it's, they print seven, and they bicycle, and they move them along in a regular cycle, and it's a service that the schools pay for.

They sent us that library, yes, the Chinese library, yeah, it's here, where it's locked up, and we'll,

I think we're going to put that on the next slide over here.

What about to have it logged out of our machine and lock it up in our place here?

What about the hydrophone?

That isn't here yet.

It's coming over by ship.

And we're having it delivered here to the company.

We'll hold it here through the summer.

That's what you suggested.

Some people look at it.

I actually would like to.

If you can't use it here, you can't use it down there.

Correct.

You can use it to go over to walkers and go over to the sewer.

Correct.

So you go across it.

I don't know if that's what you want to, but maybe you will.

You know, it's an old thing here.

It'll be kind of fun if you can.

Or, even if you wouldn't want to go, you could chop it over and have them take it over there so that you could use it over there.

That's where it would be great to use it, because the water would be there.

It's just cold, fabulous to run around in.

Plus, you can see that there's a field of coral and blue sea.

If you flip around on that, there's another little island.

On that little island, it's just totally great.

And that's what gets everyone, because it's just super cold out there, and then the water's...

I didn't see any of the soldiers here, and they didn't arrive with us.

Yes, we have them.

And Cadillac people did a hell of a job for us, I think.

Good for them.

And they have love.

He told us he wanted a black and white stripe on the holster after we had the thing ready.

It had already been loaded on the airplane.

He said that it was over.

He drives back in 30 with a Cadillac.

There's a center lane in the streets of Moscow.

Lane of traffic going this way, lane of traffic going this way.

There's two white lines down there that separate the two lanes, and they're car-wide.

And that center lane is for him and other government officials, a few other government officials.

And he gets in that middle lane and just trumps on it, and he just roars right through it.

It scared the hell out of me, because they used it for us.

When we were there, and our driver got in, and he, there'd be a red light up here, and he paid no attention to it, because the intersection police, as soon as he sees a car coming in that middle lane, stops the traffic, and they put it where it should.

You say he won't, but at some point, he almost had to let it, because no one else can.

And Henry sure is open to our problems.

I think so.

This final word is so important.

This shows that without my...

Thank you.

Now, after the settlement,

and all that, that what's behind the next foreign policy is going to be infinitely of more interest than it was last February, or whenever we put out the State of the World, or the year before, or before this time.

Because at that time, the next foreign policy hadn't come to fruition.

It was in the process of coming together, and I'm sure there have been a lot of accomplishments, and there have been a lot of steps to...

You couldn't see where it paid off.

Now you can.

We already know how much food for everyone.

We've been used.

See, what I've done on our budget, our White House budget, is we have cut our staff down.

And we've been cutting them down for the last couple of years.

We've been pushing back so that we have ended up with our special projects, but it was just one half.

Basically, it's totally uncommitted.

So that's going to the start of this year in July.

And what I'm planning to do, if we want to do it, is use all that money up between July and December.

But the idea that it would just go on without it, it would go for supplemental change, I don't give a damn.

It's quite an old combatant.

So, we could, I think, in areas like speech directors, if we find a good property, we should hire it.

And if we can't, if it doesn't turn out to be any good for you, we'll use it to write speeches for senators, and work under Buchanan's direction on attack stuff.

If there's enough of that we can do, that...

I was doing it only to people who were going to be effectively useful in a campaign, rather than in a bureaucracy.

And just not worrying about all the machinery and stuff.

That we've honed down to an operation that goes fine.

It's kind of the same thing, but that's a different concept.

Yeah, they've got Ryder and so on.

They've got to make sure we don't make any mistakes.

But we've got our malice set a whole group of you guys going on the responsiveness of departments, and we've done a hell of a job, because nobody knows about it, nobody ever will.

But things like we found out that HUD was about to give a contract or something or other to a group of Mexican-Americans, and they were anti-Hickson people, Texans or something, and this group moved in,

We've got to move down and set up another group, and if given the contract, we'll do it with the people who are with us.

And we're going to set up an operator in each department who has a spot.

We're going to do all this stuff for us.

He's got his direct line to here, and we're making some semi-promises to these people about what we're going to do afterwards and what we're going to do during.

He's got all the good, the young lawyers.

He's got it.

Two or three corporation head type people will take leaves for the rest of the year and come into the campaign organization to work on the regional guidelines, citizens and support.

Some of them won't be any good if they won't be able to adapt to politics, but they're basically guys that get at them type people right now.

That's right.

Thank you.