Conversation 342-027

TapeTape 342StartTuesday, June 20, 1972 at 2:20 PMEndTuesday, June 20, 1972 at 3:30 PMTape start time05:13:51Tape end time06:21:11ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Colson, Charles W.Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building

On June 20, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:20 pm to 3:30 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 342-027 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 342-27

Date: June 20, 1972
Time: 2:20-3:30 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met Charles W. Colson.

[A transcript of the following portion of the conversation may be found in RG 460, Box 172, pp.
1-14]

[End of transcribed portion]

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     1972 Election
          -Impact on Democratic candidates
          -Potential of George S. McGovern win

     Media
         -Coverage of George S. McGovern
              -Kenneth W. Clawson’s analysis
              -David S. Broder’s column
              -Thomas W. Braden's column
                   -Henry A. Kissinger
                         -Chinese posture
                   -George S. McGovern
                         -North Vietnamese posture
                              -Negotiations

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     Vietnam
          -The President's support among Republicans
               -The President's conversation with Hugh Scott
                    -Clark MacGregor
                    -Michael J. Mansfield Amendment
                          -Republican support
               -Soviet Summit
          -Senators
               -Reaction
               -Edward W. Brooke
                    -Massachusetts
                          -Democratic opposition
               -Richard S. Schweiker
                    -Colson’s view
               -Charles McC. Mathias
                    -Colson’s view
               -Charles H. Percy
               -Margaret Chase Smith
                    -Colson’s view
                    -Robert A.G. Monks

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     1972 Election
          -Media reaction to George S. McGovern
                -Time magazine
                     -New York commuter
                     -Greenwich, Connecticut
                     -George S. McGovern as President
                           -Radical social changes
                           -Foreign policy views
                           -Security
                -Corporate media
                     -Corporate welfare
                     -Changes
                     -Jews
                     -Centrist
                -Thomas W. Braden
                -Joseph C. Kraft
                     -National defense
                     -Democratic platform
                           -Hubert H. Humphrey
                           -Edmund S. Muskie
                -Today Show
                     -Edmund S. Muskie’s appeal
                         -Move center
                         -George S. McGovern’s policies
                              -Unacceptable to majority
          -Polls
                -Louis Harris
                -Research poll
                     -Possible question
                           -Welfare proposal
                -George S. McGovern
                     -Midwest
                     -New York Times
                           -Welfare issues
                                 -Herbert Stein’s speech
                     -Vietnam
          -Washington Post
                -Predictions of electoral success
                     -Virginia
                     -Maryland
                     -Washington Press Corps

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     Katherine L. Graham
          -Activities
                -Stock
          -American Stock Exchange holdings
                -Security and Exchange Commission
                      -Colson’s plan
          -Washington social scene
                -Possible invitation to White House dinner
                -Role
          -Kenneth W. Clawson, Jr.
                -Washington Post staff

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     1972 election
          -The President’s campaign strategy
          -Harris poll
     -Communications
     -Hubert H. Humphrey
           -Attack on George S. McGovern
                 -Public reaction
-Gallup poll
     -George S. McGovern
           -Public perception
     -Poll numbers
           -Main Street of the country
                 -Lean right
           -Extreme liberals
-George S. McGovern
     -James B. Reston article
     -Likelihood of winning
     -Amnesty issue
           -Washington Post
                 -Supporters
                 -Youth
           -Draft dodgers
           -Veterans’ publications
                 -Advisors to George S. McGovern
           -War in Vietnam
           -Middle America
     -Labor votes
-George P. Shultz
     -Possible endorsement of George S. McGovern
-George Meany
     -Attitude toward George S. McGovern
     -Endorsements by organized labor
     -George P. Shultz
     -New York City
           -Peter J. Brennan
           -[Unintelligible Names]
           -[First name unknown] Brown
           -[First name unknown] Horton
           -Nelson A. Rockefeller
     -1968 election
           -Labor organization
                 -Effectiveness
     -George S. McGovern
-Edward M. Kennedy, Jr.
-George S. McGovern
     -Harris poll
           -Three-way and two-way races
                 -Point spread
           -Howard H. Baker, Jr.
           -Edward M. Kennedy, Jr.
           -George C. Wallace
                               -Third party efforts
                   -Electoral strategy
                        -New Jersey
                        -New York
                        -California
                        -Catholics
             -Polls
                   -George C. Wallace support
                   -Catholics
                        -Socio-economic classes
                        -Ethnicity
                               -Michael P. Balzano

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     National economy
          -Food prices
                -Release of data
                -Meat prices
                      -Changes
                -Possible effect on election
                      -Inflation
                      -White House response
                -Freeze
                      -Inflation
          -Expansion
          -Retail sales
          -Weather
                -Impact
          -Housing
          -Dollar strength

[A transcript of the following portion of the conversation may be found in RG 460, Box 172, pp.
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     The President’s schedule
          -The press
                -Effect on the President’s actions
          -Holidays
          -President's morning routine
                -Colson’s routine
                -Manolo Sanchez

     Press
             -New York Times and Washington Post
                -The President’s view
                -Editorials
                      -Intent
                            -The President’s policies
           -News summaries
           -White House staff efforts
           -Chicago Tribune
           -New York Times and Washington Post
                -Washington readership
           -News Summary
                -Value
                -Percy
                      -Attitudes
                      -Contacts with constituency
                -Austin Kiplinger
                -Compilation
                      -Clawson role
                -Republicans
                -Business
                -Compilation
                      -White House staff
                      -American Enterprise Institute
                -Congress
                -The President’s view
                      -Post-election implementation
                      -New York Times and Washington Post influence
                      -Purpose of summary
                -Dissemination
                -Purpose
                -White House
                      -Non-involvement
                -National Media Analysis group
                      -Resources
                -Washington Post
                -New York Times
                -Graham
                -Political cartoons
                -Herblock (Herbert Block)
                -Media bias
                -Washington Post
                -The President’s view
                      -Effect
                -Frequency
                      -Effect

Colson left at 3:30 pm.

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

Sir, hi.
I hope everybody's not going to get dizzy about the Democratic committee.
It's a little frustrating.
Disheartening, I guess, is the right word.
Well, pick up that mail from Washington Post.
See the guilt of my association.
Yeah, about you?
Yeah, this is the way I've seen it through the months.
You know, I've got people who've heard.
We're going to listen to a few of them.
You must say that we're a family.
A family.
A family.
A family.
A family.
A family.
A family.
A family.
A family.
and they didn't know that they were in the country.
Did they at all?
No.
Well, I'm sure that most of whatever the hell they're doing, and they probably think they're doing to us, which they are.
Most people who hear the political praise spy on each other, and that's where the problem is.
That's why they hired this guy in the first place to sweep the roads, and they said,
I haven't gotten into the, uh, mobile details in a really long time, so...
I assume he was hired to protect her from us.
I don't know what I better do.
I better have some money.
You know, they, uh, uh...
I don't know what to do.
I don't know what to do.
I don't know what to do.
I don't know what to do.
I don't know what to do.
It's a good story.
They've known most of our arguments at that time.
They either got it done or we got it stuck.
We got it done at that first moment there.
I think it's undoubted.
You never know.
Say who.
I don't know who the hell.
It could be some discontent or somebody.
It might be.
Oh, it could be a secretary.
Well, it's easier to do it.
I don't know.
There's no way that you're going to do this.
Are you sure about the White House?
I'm sure.
That's kind of it.
At least the ones that are on us, we are.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, like the ones we have over there.
The Gates girl.
Of course, Gates.
I don't think those work for Johnson.
It's sort of the key that's going on in the White House.
Those, those kind of, I think you can tell the person really, I, I think so.
They don't look that bad.
I know, I know, my girls have been looking long enough to, if anything, they're going to look a little bit more good.
That's the kind of thing you can never be sure of.
On this thing here, I, uh, I've got some, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
I think we've done the right things today.
I can't believe he's involved.
He's just trying to do it his way.
It's just to him.
It's true.
This is a great role.
It's one of the most sophisticated things.
You don't have to give him another story.
You can give me a book like that and put it in the ceiling.
Go away to your wedding.
It doesn't sound like a skillful job for me on my side.
I don't think it's no better.
You're talking to the deliberate approach.
You know, I go to them and say, sometimes they're, sometimes they, maybe it's the Cubans that are organizing their own, because, you know, they have, I just, they just feel very strong.
Oh, Jesus, I just got the close-up and said, you know, you should, I saw a paper prior to that, it says, enemy, public enemy of reluctant Cuba.
That's what it is.
Oh, they're vile.
Well, you know, most people, I mean, you get that, you get that paper of, uh,
You know, if we were to recognize Castro, he was a man who was coming to Cuba nationally.
A lot of these guys who were sitting here in Cuba, they don't know anything about political science.
And listen, that's right.
Listen, what's he saying?
He's trying.
Well, we take pride in that.
I've got rid of two of them in a minute.
You put yourself in their shoes, and it's not good.
But they're sitting here looking down.
That's not what this guy wants to prove.
He may take it back to a firing squad in a minute.
That's a big night.
This is what this is really.
It's like a post office.
I cannot.
I don't think people pay attention to fire at the start.
Of course, I do a lot of work.
And I was like, well, so what the hell is that?
Oh, yeah, mine.
They had Howard Huntsman.
Would you read that story?
And that was a brilliantly written piece.
Because the first time you read it, you think, oh, no, but then you read it again, and it's Howard Huntsman.
Oh, Howard Huntsman.
Howard Huntsman was here.
So...
No, no, no, you know what I mean.
The guy that broke in, oh, for Christ's sakes, they gave the Times a Pulitzer Prize, and they're going to hand it to the Pulitzer Prize?
In other words, stealing documents that belonged to the governor, top secret.
Did any of these people squeal about that fact?
No.
That's my point, isn't it?
If I never did the Times, did the Post squeal about that then?
Now, here was an attempt at that that failed against the political party, not against the government of the United States.
I mean, Pulitzer Prize is for publishing stolen documents.
Now, that's, I think, a hell of a tough speech.
Yeah, right.
It's an article.
I mean, that's right.
That's right.
If you steal classified human documents and print them in his picture, you get a total surprise.
Right.
And no worries with political party headquarters.
You get very, very, well, I think you're very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,
Yeah, Buckley's a guy who likes it.
Buckley's a guy who just approaches people and holds their eyes.
trying yeah yeah
You know, it's a great worship.
The question just thrives in intrigue, despise, suspense.
Well, as you know, political players, you're aware of the hell, and I was aware of the hell, and all these things from our side, and how they come to us, and all this other sort of things, frankly, for people to go to a fight, and you don't know that well, they're either, they're either fucked, or just, well, I don't know, angry, or
The press, the media, and the Democrats are so goddamn desperate for an issue that they can lay their hands on that it's not that we should do it.
It wasn't after that one.
They were just going to play the hell out of it because they haven't got any other place they can play at will.
And that was the case with IBT, which came at the time.
The county was picking up.
The wage price and bills were working.
They had done what they wanted to.
IBT was vicious, I'm sure.
And I also left with this.
I don't know if you can't.
You can't make a case out of this the way you could otherwise.
Maybe the weakness to IPT is that it defends the public suspicion that the public has their state of the business.
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
All right, so what's the area that they're trying to find?
And they're trying to find one on the other floor.
And I think people are stuck with it.
They're really stuck with it.
And I think they expect to get told.
A state would be locked.
A state would be locked.
A state would be locked.
Oh!
In case of...
Yes, yes.
I've been walking around here day in and day out.
I just sit down.
I keep your people all the time.
This is good.
This is good.
Skelling it does pretty well.
Skelling it.
Dan conducted the speech.
Apparently it was on a TV program.
I don't know if it was a California or a statewide program.
It was a statewide program.
And Rob Ellsberg, he didn't know he was coming out of Ellsberg.
He asked him to comment on Ellsberg.
He said he was coming here today prepared to do a discussion on a wholesale license.
And the interesting thing is that the press always, every week, come around asking questions about who's planning the anti-media campaign.
It shows they're nervous about it.
But you know, I picked up this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this,
editorial, great news, just run all over the country.
Little syndicates picked it up.
The media critics picked it up.
Newsday featured.
You really, you caught on that one.
This really hurt me.
There's still singing over there.
I have to do this.
The story of Vietnam.
That's still true.
There's still writing.
There's still a lot of live.
There's singing about the story.
And they're also singing now that each night in the New York Times is
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said it was paid for, and I paid for it, and I have it.
Well, my guess is that I paid for it free.
Now they have the charge.
Well, if that's what I mean.
Oh, yeah.
If that's what they believe, if that comes up, we'll have a case against you.
I mean, the G.A.O.
is now investigating this case.
The G.A.O.
is because of this, because of the violation of the campaign.
Yeah.
There are times, I'm very concerned.
I think what I argue, I just oversaw it.
You know, they've been arguing that it wasn't political ad, getting right into the body of the ad was a request for funds for candidates who would go to the issue of president.
So they don't have much of a defense.
I don't know how to disclose who paid to the ad.
It turns out that that can be traced back to the government people.
We will make this buggy and send it to the people of the community by comparison because
That ad was placed the day you left Italy.
And here you are, coming back from negotiating for one of the most important, critically important meetings in modern history.
And they were placing an ad that impeached the President of the States, and that can be traced back to the tail end of the ad.
It was nice to get an eavesdropping on the way to the hotel before it shut us down.
It was nice.
Well, they haven't, they haven't yet been, uh, they've just been served.
I don't know what you mean.
Request for information so they don't have to start answering.
The Boston Globe, you know, refused to run that same man.
Well, I'm not sure if you know where I have the 966.
Well, I have the 966.
I think that's the guy.
Is anybody over at the committee?
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and I get a little worried.
Well, I don't know, I don't know.
It's a, I mean, I worry because they ate my pet snow that they're worried because they want some money to be paid, but also they're worried about the fact that we might pull down on their equipment.
And I worry in the event that they might quit.
Well, that's what's happening.
It's interesting to see what's happening.
And, of course, I'm getting a report on this this morning.
The reporters do a following of the shirts we
Yes, sir.
and it's totally true.
I was so disturbed today by the fire department.
At this time, listen, at this time of days, what in the name of hell is the matter with these people?
You may hear the dystopian summit, the presidential summit.
What in the name of Christ is it going to become?
It's a combination of black leadership now and beyond that one.
The other is, you get some senators who are very, they're on the greatest positions, right?
You get others who are cooler and grumpier.
And that's very tough.
We've got just a week.
And I had a
He said it would be the whole county because he's a small base.
He said the whole county just because he wasn't present.
And who would, who would pledge more relief?
You look at that cat on the map, he has a big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big.
So the way it made, the media, the media around this president is very interested in it.
You know this time he wrote it.
I read that it was very kind, kind-heartedness.
They just took him to go and write this, just a little bit of stuff.
I thought they did it by their soft hand, but I don't, I don't know something about it.
You know, in their audience, they did it extremely skillfully.
You know, even there, the New York computer, uh, Grange, uh,
What they can't prove is that number one, he would radically change society.
That would be the biggest change since 1932.
Yeah.
His ideas are untested and unproven.
And the United States would have a world in which he must affirm and assure himself that he would be
The country would be a little less safe and a little less secure.
The country would be a little less safe and a little less secure.
The country would be a little less safe and a little less secure.
The country would be a little less safe and a little less secure.
The country would be a little less safe and a little less secure.
and make it almost exclusive to the people that I possibly didn't know.
And it's like, oh, heaven, I should get it down to the back of my head.
The way my mother does it, she's got it.
But at the time, they really impressed me.
It impressed me because when it tells me, it impressed me more than when it tells me.
The corporate media, I mean, I say the corporate media, they're worried about their money.
is that they know he's a .
I can just envision that they're worried about their program a little bit more than worried about their situation .
But one of those two things that you can't have, I think, there's a turnaround in the media in the last week.
And I've been watching it.
They were going to help you.
And it shifts.
For a while, they were trying to paint it as a centrist.
And then they backed away from that because it wasn't speaking.
And he was not being that.
And now, I really think the kind of stuff that was in time, which we're seeing more of, in the three columns today, people are going to read columns that you've said over and over again.
Oh, right.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Right.
And they all think that that run is for Chris Humphrey.
Muskie told us yesterday, because I know he said something to me.
And Muskie did an affirmation this morning.
Oh, what did Muskie say?
Muskie this morning had an affirmation that said that there is no chance of speaking towards the Senate for the policies that you appeal to the majority of the American people.
Today, my government's policies are not acceptable.
I have an idea, not for Harris, but for Mayfield, to make some research into the cold.
Do you agree with Bill's response to what you agreed with Bill?
Do you agree with that?
Do you agree with that?
Do you agree with that?
Do you agree with that?
Do you agree with that?
Do you agree with that?
Do you agree with that?
Do you agree with that?
Do you agree with that?
Do you agree with that?
Yeah, it would be a good one.
If you were to raise her, she'd be a good one.
You have to buy her.
You can't pay her on issues.
The whole of that job has to be done.
You can't pay her on her.
It's got to be one of the largest standards.
Issues.
What he has said, and his record, has to be a knock on the hand.
We lost a man and people all together.
We lost a man and people all together.
We lost a man and people all together.
We lost a man and people all together.
Kurt Stein did a great thing for my son.
I hear you.
All that speech he made, he's never rushing to do it.
He simply put it up for all of these proposals.
He alluded to a couple of them.
He said, Midwest, he said, a middle, an American Midwest well-meaning man proposed his name, and then he proceeded to disappear into the world.
In the times, in the later times, he had held, he had played, he had started, he could play the poster now, but the wires carried more, and it was a very effective job, because he just took his welfare plan and showed how completely un-posted he was, how unworkable he was.
The redistribution of the wealth, that's the best job that you can do.
You just take the poster.
So what the hell else does the potion affect?
Well, the one thing is that it does affect the technology.
Right.
It affects the government and authorities.
The unfortunate thing is that it has a contagious effect.
I have some ideas.
I really do.
I don't know how they've done it, but Kenny Green has two questions about it.
It would only take a very minor, minor change for the S&C to be able to do that next year.
A very minor change.
She wouldn't have the program.
She'd want to be listed south.
If she did that, then she'd lose a lot of money.
That's my story.
I have a little thought on this.
Well, I hope to see it now.
Well, I tried one case on that issue when I was a private lawyer.
I thought we could come very close together.
The board is not representative publicly.
She doesn't have a representative.
And she does have a very deliberate and controlled, and she's a vicious, she's a totally vicious bitch, but she's also
extremely interested in her resting.
You could win her over.
If you had her over for dinner, that would do it.
Oh, I'd have her over.
Oh, I'd have her over.
She just gives the social niceties of Washington.
That's her, that's her.
I wouldn't do it.
I wouldn't do it.
I'd just, I'd renounce her.
I don't know if that's a good idea.
I think that's what made it.
This is the first time we've ever recorded that.
I mean, we can still expect it.
We can.
Oh!
We've done a better job.
It's time to turn it off.
I think we can do quite a bit more.
This is not the time.
We've lost our love for church, and we will never regret it.
This is not the time.
We've never met Carl at this point.
He's standing on the old street.
And it's a much more sensible level.
I don't know how much
We're in a different era.
It used to take a long time to get an idea for us to vote.
But you get it for us very fast.
And communications are super-controlled.
John Humphrey going on TV attacking the government directly.
And here just all across the country, it isn't quite even five, even six or seven years.
And I think in the last two weeks, and that Harris poll certainly confirms it, this fellow is beginning to get mad.
Gallup and Harris both have found a significant shift in public perception of the government of the left, who is moving the left, moving the left.
Gallup has said, and Harris has done in this data, he ignores it.
And I think that this kind of country... Gallup will take it.
That is not where the mainstream of the country is.
The mainstream of the country is over the right majority.
He's over extreme liberalism.
And if this keeps up, if we get another two weeks in the first one, I think we've been in the last week.
Not the president Currys.
For a money piece, we have some magnificent young lions.
Right.
Almost wistfully, here's this poor fellow who really believes this.
He's too far to the left for the American public to buy.
He can't win.
But this lonely gal on this map,
There's a real, there's a real kind of union, a real split.
And we're getting about to a much greater extent than two weeks ago.
I wouldn't blame you.
I don't know those people, but who made that amnesty crack, you know they did.
which we pass our goods to the veterans, and they just pick them up and have a good time.
He said, in an interview on the Washington Post, nine days ago, William Grider, he was talking about, he was being asked, why don't you change the positions?
Why don't you change the positions?
And he said, why don't you change the positions?
And he said, why don't you change the positions?
And he said, why don't you change the positions?
And they go out and work all the time.
When a veteran leaves, if he turns off a few people, and he's like, fine, I'll get him.
And turns on the kids, and therefore he's turning on the whole draft doctors.
What he's turning on is what the Veterans Publication shows a government, one of his advisers.
That's the kind of thing they say is, hey, turn out what you do.
They just happen to have that, because they'll have to.
Which is what it does for us, Tracy.
It's going to be both.
Well, I'm going to be a little larger, or what do you think?
It's going to be like a damn ape.
But that's it.
You'll be amazed at the number of people who have been missing since then.
The labor of those who have been missing is an old joke.
No one, a lot of them, won't consider that a crime.
They've played across the country, not only in New York, but all over the world.
We'll have it out there.
I'm putting it short, and it's intended.
You know, we have some back and forth.
We'll talk about that.
Everybody will listen to it.
We're here for you, San Francisco.
He is, but I just don't know whether we can hold him.
Well, I don't...
He can't support the governor.
Do you think so?
Or do you think he can shift the governor's position?
Yeah, but I don't think you're doing it.
If we endorse him, it will be because he wants to keep... Well, if I were him, I would...
I think it's true.
I would endorse it, but not do anything for it.
At many points, unlikely events, at least I would.
I'll have some access to it.
But I think if I were me, and this may be the way it is, I would go to a program and endorse it.
That would let everybody do what they want to do.
None of the unions would work for it, but I would say not all guys would work for it.
A few of them thought I'd love to work, but anything.
I think it's very blatant in my work.
They told me to go to Newark because they supported me.
They told me to go to Newark because they supported me.
They told me to go to Newark because they supported me.
They told me to go to Newark because they supported me.
They told me to go to Newark because they supported me.
They told me to go to Newark because they supported me.
At the very least, what we're supposed to do
I saw some of their stuff that came out in the West and they get vicious and they go to the gut.
And then I went there and told them, these guys play it in the gutter.
This kind of stuff is what we used to do.
They just take your name a little and leave it at this.
And they try to grab this and leave it off.
And the restaurants they have coffee, they have an element of that at this point.
And they love this.
And that's just what they do.
And I thought it was lovely madness to come in with this.
It looks like it was playing for Pittsburgh.
This is Disney.
Any time that I do, any time that I do that, it's, it's, it's cool.
They have, like, they, they look like the wind.
It's, it's how it is.
And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,
That's the one post that he has.
Apparently he has a bull.
He has a bull.
He has a black soul.
He has a black soul.
... ... ... ... ...
or ever better than the one that's in Kennedy and Kaepernick.
Joe from Kaepernick, you know, the one that works with Kennedy, runs the closest race to him.
What is it?
If the Kennedy thing was about seven points, it's going to end with Wallace out, and Wallace out is the way we're going to see this thing come out.
We're going to need a 12-point lead in Kennedy.
That's how it's going to end.
And we're going to see it at 16 points.
We're going to see it at 16 points.
It's a three-way race.
It's 4337, 6,000, and 4,000, 6,000.
That's what it is.
How is it a three-way race?
0-12.
How is it a two-way race?
6,000.
The only one there yet.
I don't know.
It should be two.
It's a three-way race.
It's 4337.
That's 12.
It's a two-way race.
It's 54, 38.
I'm sure it is.
What's the difference then?
The spread only increased by two there.
It was from 1616.
Yeah, increased by four.
I'm not sure if it's a three.
With Kennedy, it increases by five.
Kennedy goes from six spread to...
Well, I've got to tell you, I think this, the more we get George and Debra now, the question is whether in their smart job, they will deliberately try to humiliate him in order to force him to go to the third party.
What do you think?
But if you're not going to try to do that, just take it out of your mind right now.
So that's why they do it.
In my word, I would be putting every penny I had into getting Ross qualified.
What do you think they are doing?
It doesn't seem to be.
But the places where he's getting qualified, the places where he is getting qualified are states where his supporters are pushing to get a spot.
So without his consent,
like the Jersey River did, and the people of the state of New York, his supporters, his people of the state of New York, and other places, he, neither he nor his people have made it to the United States of New York, so they don't put him there, they don't put him there, they don't put him there, they don't put him there, they don't put him there, he still has some
He still has time, I tell him.
Yeah, that's all right.
That's all wrong.
I don't have that much.
And it's pretty difficult.
He's got his council here.
I'm pretty sure he still has time.
When you talk about Catholics, let me just say one thing for you people.
Catholics, you see my name.
That's what we have to do.
We'll get the true electoral.
What else is 16% of Israel?
It's not going to be probably 12 now.
In terms of where people can vote?
I'm trying.
I'm trying.
I'm just going to say I have a Catholic question.
It's a broader group than Catholics.
It's a boy.
It's not that.
It's mostly lower middle class or class.
get everywhere in the city, next to the black area.
This is where every report I get goes on and goes on and goes on.
Just, you know, the rest of the work is strength.
You know, that's, that's, tomorrow's thing is going to be that.
But I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,
April to May is a treatment center.
It's adjusted.
Well, that's the same as it was in late April.
I don't know.
I was worried that it would become this one.
And if it doesn't become this one, it becomes that sun.
I didn't see this one yet.
I don't know if it's that one, but it's closer than that one.
It could be something.
It would require a group of people.
It would require a sun.
I don't think this is the one.
This is where the forecast is.
Forecast is not.
That's unadjusted.
It's going to be five.
It's going to be five.
Hold on.
You can't look at it.
That's, I was just going to say, your best answer is you can't look at it.
We have discussed this in the papers today.
If you have a thing that's what a freeze and a curvy substance is, that's curvy.
Then you have an overall trend that's very, very curvy.
And the main thing are the two sprays
The weather is true about the first quarter.
That's right.
And I was interested in that.
I thought it was all very nice to be able to hear all that nice people.
And I said to myself, if they're all here, then I'm going to be here.
If one of them is here, then I'm going to be here.
I'm going to be a good person.
I'm going to be a good person.
I'm going to be a good person.
I'm going to be a good person.
I'm going to be a good person.
I'm going to be a good person.
I'm going to be a good person.
Well, anyway, I'll get you some food when you're out here.
I shouldn't.
I shouldn't either.
I don't think anybody knows where I'm going.
Yes, sir.
We're going up there.
Keep the lever up.
Sure.
And a nice set line.
We won't let this one hit.
We'll go ahead.
I understand.
Oh, my God.
That's it.
Good luck to you all.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
It's dead, everybody.
It's not going to happen.
It's never going to happen.
It's never going to happen.
It's never going to happen.
It's never going to happen.
It's never going to happen.
It's never going to happen.
It's never going to happen.
And you look at his name and think, oh, I'm going to be forgotten.
This will be forgotten.
I know about this in the IT state.
It's all for sure.
Who the hell is going to keep alive?
I'm going to have a court case.
It's a difficult way to think about what he's responding to.
I wonder if he will delay his point.
Depositions, of course, are what's possible.
I think it would be frightful for the judge to call an election without a deposition.
I do.
I don't think you would.
Because I'd love to have a deposition.
I'd love to have a deposition to say, no, I'm here.
I'm not here because of anybody else.
I don't want to put you out of it.
Yeah.
But this is one thing you'd like to do with this.
I don't think you should get on the side of that.
I should, I looked at it, and I just stay out of it.
I want to keep it all real to date.
I look at it, and I wish I could kill something.
Yeah, I wish I could kill something.
I just think, you know, sometimes when you have a chance to hold it out, you decide.
That's how it is.
I'm impressed with that.
I like it.
you know, go around and answer these questions and then I'll be ready to say, well, Ron, isn't this terrible?
Why?
You know, it's worth it.
I tell you, I didn't have that much respect.
I think the greatest lesson that I learned was that he was learning from you.
I wonder how, in other presences, because he's been with us, he gets to get more out of prison than he does.
And that's because I've been out there a dozen times.
Well, nobody is.
What make I do?
You can't.
I am not, uh, I do not sit down and punish myself by repeating everything.
I read just around what the hell is going on.
I don't want to.
But I realize what is being said.
I'm going to serve their purposes by paying many things for them.
And they, deep down, probably know that I can do shit like this.
I don't know whether you get it or not, but I'll bet you that they have a very, very deep feeling that I'm just going to sail in and do what I need to try and have the hell with them.
Well, that this year has come through.
That's come through to the folks now.
That's why you're up in that line.
I don't think it works, but I think people admire it.
The lesson is not to let it, but not to let it.
Also, sometimes it is well to take a holiday.
I mean, don't read over it.
Yeah, that's it.
It's simple.
The first thing I do, I read the papers.
That's right.
The one morning I sleep is Sunday.
The moment I get up, I run up to the driveway and grab these papers.
I have to leave that before I have breakfast.
Because you don't want to know what's being said.
I had come in, actually.
I wouldn't read these papers.
I wouldn't read.
I really would.
I would stop reading those times.
I really wouldn't do it.
If you do get down to the point where you're in this group, you can get down to the point where you read the comments from all the rest of the group.
It's not a lot of bullshit.
It's not a lot of things that are directed against us.
It's not a lot of things that kill us.
I'm not going to read them.
I'm not going to be moved by it.
The post has no influence.
That's a very interesting point.
Thank you.
I would have been there as the first president in this century.
I was the leader of the Postal Times.
I was one of the first.
I have read the editorial of the Postal Times for over two years.
I've never won an editorial.
I'm going to read it.
Why should I?
They didn't want me to say.
I said, I'm going to read it before me here.
There are not many.
I said, forget it.
I said, don't worry.
Tomorrow we've got it.
I never, I won't regret it, because I know that they're not written because I'm never trying to be helpful or constructive.
I understand my creator was not needed, so I'm just growing.
You know, that's the best point, too, to destroy it, because because they, that's the moral of the question.
But that doesn't mean that I don't know what the opposition thinks.
Because I don't want to do something that has to do with the public.
And I wasn't trying to do an event.
on the other side, and every left-wing columnist on the other side.
So I know what it is.
That's all I need to know.
I have to read the Times and the Post.
If you pay them too great a copy, you'll meet people that sort of take themselves so seriously that they're not supposed to step into the company.
See, you shouldn't think about the company.
By God, no.
How do you do it?
There's good news on here every morning.
It's bad enough.
Yeah, I take care of those new advantages.
No!
Not because our polls are bad, but because what they have to report is bad.
But they do it at least if they get a little balance in it.
Because now and then they have the time.
And then I wish I could trick you into that.
And thank God, you at least get a little of that.
But you know, if you agree with the times of the polls, you'll die in this town.
I think that's why many of our government employees can't sort of properly know the hell of the times they've been in or how long they've been in.
They wonder if they're sending them.
And that is a corrosive effect after a while.
I feel sorry for them.
I just don't care.
And that's why I suppose it's true.
That may be a couple of nice things.
They agree.
They're all kind of good.
They all need the time.
They have a lot of time.
They have a lot of time.
They have a lot of time.
They have a lot of time.
They have a lot of time.
You know, it would be a damn good idea.
I just wanted to look.
Because I know somebody who's still a person, you know, a total and true person.
He cares, I know, a little more than I do.
I know it does.
I know.
And if I had a factory, you know, left the news somewhere, like this news somewhere, it could be.
And maybe this could be done now.
We'll go away and get them.
We'll get them.
We'll get them.
We'll get them.
We'll get them.
We'll get them.
But I mean, it's our job.
But we never, we don't have two or three people who do that.
But it's, thank you.
Somebody.
I'd sure love to see that truck.
I think it would be put down as a, as a group of somebody to be accomplished.
Somebody to get out.
At least.
Now let's say, you know, if you catch up with business, it's supposed to be faster.
Is anybody going to do that?
How about in the National Committee?
In the National Committee.
Why, they don't just say, this would be immediately attacked, right?
Well, then, how about American Enterprise?
I don't know whether they could do it.
I don't think they could.
I don't think they could do it.
American Enterprise would run a move somewhere.
They could run a move somewhere.
No, no, no, he is right.
It's really true.
You have to lose something.
You get the Congress, you get the whole thing.
You lose something.
And if you get, you wouldn't have to do it every day until the morning.
If you get, you don't have one over, you can't do it every day.
Right at the mouth of it, so you don't have to do it.
No.
You see my point?
Yeah.
Because it's a way to feed in congressmen, senators, the nationals, television, all of them will say one channel.
So they say all three channels.
I really think this is worth exploring.
I know that it's worth implementing after the election.
So that we can do it then.
And it's a way also, you know, something to corrode
in the Washington Times and the New York Post, that news sign would go on my desk when I was in Congress.
I would read it before I read the goddamn papers.
Yeah, in other words, the time sector, the word that could quietly get along.
This is what the president does.
He wants to see what the country's thinking, not just what the Washington Post is thinking.
That's the way the inter-party is.
This could be, I don't know.
Another thing I would do, I'd go for a
The new sign is the best memory you can have of this White House.
It's invaluable.
You can really quickly pick up things and you can see what...
It also gives you a measure because... You cannot beat up on the White House.
My God, I don't know how to put it on the side so that I can do it.
But there is a group, National Media Analysis, that we've done some work with.
He has the resources, because he brings the figures in from all over the country.
You see, what we want, though, is also television.
You see, there's a comedy for someone.
You can talk to them and say, look, here we've got this fantastic show.
See, it's an effective way to try to fight the Washington Post.
It's an effective way to fight the Post and the United States.
That's what Kate Gray cares about.
She really wants to keep people in the stand.
You know, so they, that would have been a good idea.
You know, I think there's some things that we started having a lot of these cartoons with the press.
They didn't want to do it.
And we forced them.
We said, take a page.
And then we got them to start pre-funding a couple of trucks in Georgia.
And they've had more favorable comments than that.
Because at that very same point, if you hurt a lot of people in here, they should forget that they've been practicing this out of the rest of the country.
Very good.
Very good.
And people who are going to need it, but anyone else, it's very good to get that around.
That's right.
And that's been one of the best things we've done these times.
That's right.
This is an idea that ought to be pursued.
I think if they could get going on that and put it into gear, it would be a hell of a thing.
I think they might do it before we might figure a way to get to it.
We'll get to it.
We'll get to it.
We'll do it in a way I suppose.
They could do it as a monthly experiment to see how it goes.
And then find it so well received that they decided to clean it up.
A little bit by the way, but we're on the verge of getting Jim Keeter to put this.
He would be here to point out bias and why he would put this on the Space Center and the politicians.
Even this one.
If you could do this every day, that's where we cut the posts because no more.
They see all your packages every day.
And do it Monday.
Do one for Monday for the weekend.
We tend to do it every weekend.
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
And it just gets out of the system.
I try it out.